Fox News, right-wing blogs attack Obama's embrace of GOP health care ideas as a "gimmick"
After previously falsely claiming that Democrats did not include GOP ideas in the health care bill, Fox News and right-wing blogs are now attacking President Obama's plan to consider four GOP ideas as part of a new health care proposal as a "gimmick." They have also seized on a Republican congressman's claim that "Snooki" from MTV's reality show Jersey Shore has "more substance" than Obama's offer to consider the GOP proposals.
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Fox News asks: Is plan to put four GOP ideas in bill a "gimmick?"
Fox Nation: "Gimmick? Obama says he likes 4 GOP Health Care ideas." The Fox Nation linked to a TalkingPointsMemo.com article about Obama incorporating four GOP ideas into his health care proposal under the headline, "Gimmick? Obama says he likes 4 GOP Health Care ideas." The TPM article outlined the four proposals of which Obama expressed interest and said nothing about it being a "gimmick."
Fox & Friends: "True bipartisanship or a political trick and a trap?" On the March 3 edition of Fox News' Fox & Friends, co-host Steve Doocy teased a segment about Obama's plan with Rep. Peter Roskam (R-IL) by asking whether it was "true bipartisanship or a political trick and a trap." During the segment, Roskam said, "I think the president is sort of parsing," but that he didn't "answer ... the overwhelming criticism of this massive takeover of health care."
Van Susteren: "Bipartisan or gimmick?" On the March 2 edition of her Fox News show On the Record, Greta Van Susteren hosted Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) to discuss whether Obama incorporating the ideas was "bipartisan or gimmick." Ryan said Obama is "using sort of Republican labels but not Republican substance" and "add[ing] a few decent ideas on top of a horrible structure."
Fox News, blogs seize on GOP representative's "Snooki" comparison
Rep. Broun: "Snooki, from the Jersey Shore, has more substance than President Obama's offer." In a March 2 press release, Rep. Paul Broun (R-GA) stated of Obama's plan: "I don't know if we should be insulted or humored at the President's feeble attempts to incorporate Republican ideas into his latest health care proposal. Snooki, from the Jersey Shore, has more substance than President Obama's offer."
Fox & Friends: Snooki comparison a "Republican's reality check." Throughout the March 3 show, co-host Gretchen Carlson repeatedly reported on Broun's statement while discussing Obama's plan. During one report, an on-screen graphic called Broun's statement a "Republican's reality check." From Fox & Friends:
Van Susteren: Snooki has "more substance" than Obama plan? "Ouch." Also on her March 2 show, Van Susteren reported that "Georgia Republican Congressman Paul Broun is not impressed" with Obama being open to Republican ideas and read his statement that "Snookie from the Jersey Shore has more substance than President Obama's offer." After reading his statement, Van Susteren said, "Ouch."
HotAir.com: Snooki comparison is "shameless genius." On HotAir.com, blogger Allahpundit wrote, "Kudos to Broun for his shameless genius in choosing a metaphor that guaranteed every hack in the Beltway corridor (starting with yours truly) would be writing about his boilerplate press release tonight. Coming soon: Biden ruins the GOP's attempt to obstruct reconciliation by summarily ruling their amendments out of order and then taunts McCain with, 'That's one shot, kid!' "
Fox uses food metaphors to attack Obama's plan to consider Republican ideas
Ingraham: "If you have a vat of poison, and you put in a few blueberries and a few raisins ... it might taste a little bit better, but it's still poison." On the March 2 edition of Fox News' Fox & Friends, Fox News contributor Laura Ingraham said of Obama incorporating GOP ideas into the health care bill: "If you have a vat of poison, and you put in a few blueberries and a few raisins, you know, it might taste a little bit better, but it's still poison."
Carlson on Roskam's "leftovers" with "a few Republican bread crumbs" analogy: "I didn't know you were so talented in the kitchen." During the March 3 segment with Roskam, Fox & Friends aired a video in which Roskam said Obama's plan is like "leftovers that they've popped into the microwave, pulled out, given some sprinkles of salt and pepper, tossed a few Republican bread crumbs across the top, and now put it in front of the American public and said, 'Ooh, isn't this good? Don't you like this this time?' " Carlson said it was an "interesting cooking analogy" and that she "didn't know you [Roskam] were so talented in the kitchen." Roskam replied that Obama incorporating GOP ideas is "gestures, but that's all that they are." Carlson also later summed up Roskam's criticism of the bill by saying he would rather have it passed "piecemeal, to use another cooking analogy."
Attacks are the latest in right-wing media's ever-shifting criticism of health care debate
Conservative media's criticism of Obama considering GOP ideas is at odds with past, false criticism that health care bills contained no GOP proposals. The conservative media's suggestion that Obama's consideration of four GOP proposals is a "gimmick" is at odds with their previous false complaint that Democrats did not include any Republican ideas in the bill.
Conservative media constantly shifts its criticism of the health care debate. In addition to now decrying attempts at bipartisanship, the conservative media has also flip-flopped on their criticism about the length of health care proposals, changed the definition of "death panels" in order to revive the falsehood, and shifted their attacks on the public option. For example, numerous conservative commentators on Fox News -- including Peter Johnson Jr., Andrew Napolitano, and Andrea Tantaros -- warned that the health care summit was a "trap" or a "setup" for the GOP. Previously, Van Susteren, Ingraham, and Fox News commentator Monica Crowley had all complained that the GOP had been "locked out" and "excluded from the discussion."
Ermmmmmmmm, could this be simply because there was very little or no Republican substance to begin with?
Dude. They are really not that into you, as Bill Maher says.
So can we add the public option to the reconciliation bill? That's a 1990's GOP idea I can get behind.
Sometimes things change quickly in politics. After health reform passes, we might suddenly see Democrats take the offensive, after playing defense on this for so long.
Just like Murphy Brown, in Dan Quayle's eyes, all those years ago was a bad influence because she was a single woman opting to raise a child sans marriage. Or, just like Jack What's-his-Name in 24 is a true hero (he goes after terrorists, or so I'm told). And now, it's someone named "Snooki." Who the hell is Snooki? At least President Obama is real. If I ever needed any proof that the fools at Fox and those who follow them live in a fantasy world then this is it. They're ALL TV shows, folks. Sheesh!
The only successful thing these tards do is orchestrate together to actively work against the democratically-elected President of the United States - a country they claim to care for.
Actions tell a different story.
The ad-hominem is usually the last refuge for someone who is losing and recognizes that his/her own argument is on very weak footing. Like a cornered frightened animal, he/she lashes out randomly trying to inflict a few last wounds. Maybe their calling Obama childish names is a good sign?
You can also google for 'fallacies/fallacy' and find some good sites.
I have that and a Bible reference (again, free) right on my desktop.
Of course, I'm in this for the 'yucks'
Just setting you straight, since you misunderstood, or something.
In a political sense, he can win by including the republicans' ideas into the health care bill they are drafting up. they are still going to vote against it, no matter how many of their ideas are included.
Who he can't win with, are the political pundits, or the media in general.
Ah well..
As a result, she first thought that one thing, and then she allowed herself to be hoodwinked by RightON's baseless allegation that I said that bintx lied. I never said that, and he knows that, and it was simply his poor reading comprehension that led him to believe that I called bintx a liar.
And, RightON, if you want to continue this, I'll be happy to find the links and post them again to document you slimy behavior that's exactly as I described above.
Once again you can't restrain your personal animus enough to keep you from making a baseless personal attack.
I disagree. I think that Obama CAN win with some of these folks. I think that some of the moderates in Congress and even some of the conservatives WILL be swayed by these actions by him.
So, once again, your personal animus has caused you to make a wild personal attack without foundation.
Good job. Keep digging that hole.
Because then it wouldn't work, and they could claim they knew it wouldn't work all along and they were really fighting for the people, not being obstructionists.
I'm really not very happy with what they are looking to pass right now, and it's because of the republican input. It really does seem like they want it to fail, everything they have suggested that was incorporated will diminish the overall effectiveness of the overhaul. Why is this? Am I missing some effect the GOP proposals will have that are in line with the general spirit of reform?
Besides all that, I love how they point at Medicare and Medicaid as government-run health programs that don't work...completely ignoring the fact that it's for-profit market insurance and drug companies that fleece those programs whenever and however they can that really dulls thier effectiveness, and not the fact that they are government programs or run inefficiently. If every company in the US made an agreement to accept payment from these programs that was barely above cost, if at all, those two programs would be the shining beacon in the ill and injured's night. Instead, they set a "fair, market-based" price, which isn't fair at all if everyone in the business is overcharging, is it?
It isn't a "Gimmick", it is a trap!!!
This is the end of the conservative party. It's about time!
If it is that Obam include exempting the state of Nebraska from Medicaid costs, and maintaining Medicare Advantage benefits from residents of Florida, then that is a laugh. Of course Obama will throw Nelson and others under the bus. They got their vote when they needed it. Now that everyone sees Nelson and the rest were bribed for their vote, it only makes sense to now try to distance the Dem proposal from that old style, back room political horse swapping with our money.
USA Today, "The Oval" wrote today"
House Minority Leader Eric Cantor, R-Va., said the four suggested ideas don't address the high costs and increased bureaucracy of the Obama plan, such as the requirement that all Americans buy health insurance.
"If he President simply adds a couple of Republican solutions to a trillion dollar health care package that the American people don't support, it isn't bipartisanship," Cantor said. "It's political cover."
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Let Obama make a substantial bid at bipartisanship rather than just the overly obvious gimmicks and then you might have something to complain against a silly comparison used by Fox & Friends.
I guess they're too lazy to review the CSPAN videos, and of course, Fuchs Noose is the most trusted name in news.
Now let me go puke.
If you have anything substantial to offer, that would be nice.
Thanks
“If Congress can employ money indefinitely to the general welfare, and are the sole and supreme judges of the general welfare, they may take the care of religion into their own hands;they may appoint teachers in every State, county and parish and pay them out of their public treasury;they may take into their own hands the education of children,establishing in like manner schools throughout the Union;they may assume the provision of the poor;they may undertake the regulation of all roads other than post-roads;in short, every thing, from the highest object of state legislation down to the most minute object of police,would be thrown under the power of Congress…. Were the power of Congress to be established in the latitude contended for, it would subvert the very foundations, and transmute the very nature of the limited Government established by the people of America.”
...it's clear that Obama does indeed want to fundamentally transform America".....James Madison would not approve.
I think Jesus approves but that's just my opinion.
If Obama really wanted to transform government he'd support Single Payer.
If I told you Ronald Reagan had crafted a proposal to give more money to for-profit insurers you'd nod your head and pump your fist in the air. I have huge problems giving so much as a penny to health insurance (sic) firms, which is a purely corporatist model, and that's what's in the Senate bill.
"A real news channel...........or just idiots and bimbos reporting a pile of lies and steaming bullc**p."
But I think their tricks will backfire on them... I mean, the degree of outright hostility and calculated self-deception which they evidence (not to mention their lunatic, maniacal fixations with paranoid accusations against honest attempts at good-faith) make it obvious what they really are.