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Applesauce redux: Doocy endorses "treat them like dogs" health care reform fix

March 12, 2010 1:03 pm ET — 45 Comments

Less than two weeks after Rush Limbaugh proposed eating "applesauce" as a solution for not being able to afford dentures due to lack of health insurance, Fox's Steve Doocy endorsed a veterinarian's idea to "fix" health care by "treat[ing] people like dogs." Limbaugh has also cited a lack of a "federal dog health care plan" as evidence that health insurance is not necessary.

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Doocy endorses a "treat them like dogs" solution to health care reform

Doocy: Idea to "treat [people] like dogs" "makes a lot of sense." On the March 12 edition of Fox News' Fox & Friends, co-host Steve Doocy reported on a Newsweek column by "very brilliant" veterinarian Karen Oberthaler entitled "Treat People Like Dogs" which suggested that the health care system should resemble the veterinary one. Doocy said the idea "makes a lot of sense," because "we're on the hook" for our pet's medical costs. Doocy said: "[T]here's only 3 percent of Americans who have pet insurance and so we're on the hook for the charges. So, if Americans were on the hook for all the tests and stuff, it would be a lot different." Citing Oberthaler's column, Doocy added: "if you've got a golden retriever...and you know that the dog has got cancer and it's -- you know, there really is no getting any better, would you order a bunch of tests that are going to be costly and right out of your pocket because chances are you don't have the insurance...it also has to do with, you know,  putting the dog through pain at the end of the road."

Limbaugh also suggested modeling the health care system after pet medicine because "there's no insurance involved"

Limbaugh: "There's no federal dog healthcare plan out there, and it's working just fine." On the June 15 edition of Premiere Radio Networks' The Rush Limbaugh Show, Limbaugh argued against public health care programs, claiming "there's no federal dog health care plan out there, and it's working just fine," because the "private market is providing dog owners every option they want for their dogs to be cared for" and that "it's based on the owner's ability to pay, there's no insurance involved."

Limbaugh and other media conservatives have a history of mocking the uninsured

Limbaugh's health care plan: "If you don't have any teeth, so what? What's applesauce for?" Responding to a story Rep. Louise Slaughter (D-NY) told about a woman who wore dentures that previously belonged to her dead sister because she lacked insurance and could not afford to buy her own, Limbaugh stated on February 25:

LIMBAUGH: You know I'm getting so many people -- this Louise Slaughter comment on the dentures? I'm getting so many people -- this is big, I mean, that gets a one-time mention for a laugh, but there are people out there that think this is huge because it's so stupid. I mean, for example, well, what's wrong with using a dead person's teeth? Aren't the Democrats big into recycling? Save the planet? And so what? So if you don't have any teeth, so what? What's applesauce for? Isn't that why they make applesauce?

Beck mocks Slaughter's story: "I've read the Constitution ... I didn't see that you had a right to teeth." On his February 26 radio show, Glenn Beck played an audio clip of Slaughter's account then said, "I am wearing George Washington's dentures right now. I'm wearing his teeth right now." He later added, "I just like wearing dead people's teeth. But in America -- I'm sorry, I didn't know that that was -- I've read the Constitution before. I didn't see that you had a right to teeth." Echoing Limbaugh's remarks the previous day, Beck stated, "The environmentalists should be all over Slaughter. 'How dare you say that?' My gosh, they're just recycling. They're just reusing."

Beck sidekick uses baby voice to mock letters Obama receives. On Beck's February 25 radio show, co-host Steve "Stu" Burguiere stated that Obama "gets 10 letters, Glenn, every night." Co-host Pat Gray asked, "From 2-year-old girls?" Then, one of the co-hosts started speaking in a baby's voice: "I have no health care, Mr. Pwesident, and I have no feet and no tonsils because doctors took 'em out."

Conservative blogger Pamela Geller linked to an audio clip of the segment, which she wrote was "[d]a best! the funniest thang evuh!"

Gateway Pundit attacks Slaughter's "sappy lib sob story of the day, hands down." On his Gateway Pundit blog, Jim Hoft linked to a video clip of Slaughter telling the story about the dentures under the headline, "Horror! Lib Dem Claims Her Constituent Wore Dead Sister's Teeth (Video)." After declaring the account the "sappy lib sob story of the day, hands down," Hoft wrote: "Will Obamacare buy me glasses and contacts? Will Obamacare buy me a gold tooth in the front of my mouth with a little heart on it?"

Ingraham: "Louise Slaughter won the Olympics of sob stories." On Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor, radio host Laura Ingraham said she "liked the dueling sob stories, OK? One Democrat was trying to outdo the next on the sob story about how rotten our health care system is. Louise Slaughter won the Olympics of sob stories by saying one of her constituents had to wear her sister's dentures. OK? It got so bad with the health care system." She later added, "You had Harry Reid on the cleft palate with his -- I mean, the whole thing was ridiculous."

Fox Nation labels anecdote "Summit Insanity." From The Fox Nation, accessed February 25:

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Limbaugh mocked story of transplant patient on Medicare who will have to pay own bills after three years. On February 26, referring to a story Rep. James Clyburn (D-SC) recounted at President Obama's health care summit, Limbaugh stated:

LIMBAUGH: This patient was about to receive a transplanted organ -- Clyburn didn't specify what it was -- and the horror -- he's gonna get a -- he's gonna get a totally paid-for transplant. The horror is that he was going to have to start paying his post-op bills in three years.

If this is the worst we can say about American medicine, are we really in that bad a shape after all?

I have a different observation on this. I mean, look at where we are with this. This guy is -- he about had an emotional breakdown 'cause he was told he's gotta start paying his own medical bills after three years. He gets a free transplant; he gets a free after-care for three years and then he's on his own, and he's mad and thinks he's getting screwed.

Limbaugh told caller who can't afford $6,000 to treat broken wrist: "Well, you shouldn't have broken your wrist." In August 2009, Limbaugh had the following exchange with a caller:

CALLER: If we pay for our health care ourselves, would it bring costs down?

LIMBAUGH: Yeah, it would, if -- with other -- yeah, if you get some other players out of the game, yeah -- of course.

CALLER: What do you mean by "other players"? I'm sorry.

LIMBAUGH: Government -- get the government out of it. Get the government -- their stupid regulations. Get the government out of Medicare. You -- look it, the only way that cost or price ratios make sense is based on the consumer's ability to pay. There has to be a direct relationship between the customer and the business at the surface.

CALLER: OK. I just broke my wrist and it's costing me $6,000. I can't afford that.

LIMBAUGH: Well, you shouldn't have broken your wrist.

CALLER: That's true.

LIMBAUGH: You know why it costs $6,000? Because you, technically, aren't paying for it. An insurance policy's paying for it, backed up by some government insurance policy, or what have you.

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    • Author by null1fy (March 12, 2010 1:19 pm ET)
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      Unbelieveable:

      "if you've got a golden retriever...and you know that the dog has got cancer and it's -- you know, there really is no getting any better, would you order a bunch of tests that are going to be costly and right out of your pocket because chances are you don't have the insurance...it also has to do with, you know, putting the dog through pain at the end of the road."

      Is there no humanity left in the wretched political world?
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      • Author by gwe (March 12, 2010 1:42 pm ET)
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        Let's also add that these folks are also against assisted suicide, so there would be no early out ... just a long and painful death.

        I am amazed that anyone watches these fools and is not able to "connect the dots" on how ludicrous their statements truly are. It would be funny if there weren't so many sheeple that drink this cool-aid every day!
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      • Author by pajmahal (March 12, 2010 3:15 pm ET)
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        Clearly not. Isn't it kind of ironic that these people were parroting lies about death panels just a few months ago? So pet health care is good because we're more likely to let dogs die of cancer than a person because it's too expensive to pay for the their treatment. Conversely, universal health care is bad because, according to them, the government will just let people die because it's too expensive to pay for their treatment. Compare this with our current system, in which people die because it's too expensive to pay for their treatments.

        It truly boggles the mind.
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      • Author by So Fain (March 12, 2010 5:00 pm ET)
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        Wait... Isn't that basically a "Doggy Deathpanel?"

        What side of the argument are these clowns on?
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    • Author by k2 (March 12, 2010 1:20 pm ET)
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      These people are disgusting, greedy, amoral freaks. More evidence that their devotion to the "sanctity of human life" expires at birth.
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      • Author by null1fy (March 12, 2010 1:23 pm ET)
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        This kind of thing is 99% of the reason why I don't like the left. Now it's coming from the right? **Boggle**
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        • Author by k2 (March 12, 2010 1:37 pm ET)
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          What kind of thing?
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        • Author by n'est-ce pas (March 12, 2010 1:39 pm ET)
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          To what "kind of thing" are you referring? The utter contempt for human suffering? The derisive, smug, hypocritical response to the real-world ramifications of denuding public policy of compassion and community? These are things that have always, always, always originated on the right. These tendencies are why the conservative movement has to qualify itself with adjectives like "compassionate" and "fiscal." It's a deflection that shields conservatives from the consequences of their untenable political philosophy.
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          • Author by null1fy (March 12, 2010 1:54 pm ET)
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            That's an interesting theory, n'est-ce pas.

            "This kind of thing": You liberals like Ralph Waldo Emerson right? He suggested that you go in front of boards and justify your own existance every few years.

            That kind of thing.
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            • Author by worrierking (March 12, 2010 2:16 pm ET)
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              Emerson died in '82.

              1882
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            • Author by DellDolly (March 12, 2010 2:24 pm ET)
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              So, you have to pull a quote from close to a century ago from George Bernard Shaw, not Ralph Waldo Emerson, to claim that liberals do "this kind of thing"?

              George Bernard Shaw was NOT a liberal, anyway. He was a socialist.

              You couldn't be more off-base with your bogus smear of liberals.
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            • Author by n'est-ce pas (March 12, 2010 2:38 pm ET)
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              Well, yeah, I think Emerson wrote beautifully. I think the "hobgoblin of little minds" crack was a copout, but generally he hit lots and lots of nails on their heads. But Emerson was what most people would have called a libertarian, if that particularly stupid, particularly American political philosophy had had a name, then. He wrote on topics such as self-reliance and the transcendent role God played in American governance. He wasn't a liberal. You'd know that if you weren't Googling your facts, rather than learning them.
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            • Author by funnymanpants (March 12, 2010 4:04 pm ET)
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              >>"This kind of thing": You liberals like Ralph Waldo Emerson right? He suggested that you go in front of boards and justify your own existance every few years.

              You are kidding, right? I think Worrierking had the best response below. You somehow equate liberals with a writer about whom 99% of Americans (including liberals) know almost nothing?

              By the way, having actually read a bit of Emerson, where does this quote even come from? Anyone else? A google search didn't help.
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              • Author by Disputed Zone (March 12, 2010 4:51 pm ET)
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                As DellDolly noted, the quote is attributed to Shaw, not Emerson.

                We should all be obliged to appear before a board every five years and justify our existence...on pain of liquidation.


                So it's Shavian humor, not a "suggestion."
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    • Author by wesley (March 12, 2010 1:42 pm ET)
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      Holy bafflement, Batman...what in the world is Doocy talking about?

      Here's a health care tip. Instead of watching all these cable "news" programs...go for a walk...have a pleasant conversation with a family member...work in the garden...anything would be more productive and better for your health.
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      • Author by worrierking (March 12, 2010 2:17 pm ET)
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        Have you ever met my family, Wes?
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        • Author by wesley (March 12, 2010 2:19 pm ET)
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          LOL...nope, but thanks for the heads-up. I suspicion that I too have some family members that would fit the mold you're talking about.
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        • Author by shaggles (March 12, 2010 3:08 pm ET)
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          HA! I was going to ask why Wesley's comment got 2 thumbs down but I see your point. :D
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    • Author by The_Cat (March 12, 2010 1:44 pm ET)
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      So, if you should contract rabies, Mr. Doocy, you'd like us to just go ahead and shoot you, then? Because, you wouldn't want to have the course of injections that could cure you, right? You'd want to be treated like any ailing, mentally unwell stray rounded up on the street. Right? Because, those shots are kind of expensive, you know, and what with all the fiscal troubles Bush left us, we really can't afford to be compassionate about things. That's the gist of your argument here, right? Right?
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    • Author by foghornleghorn (March 12, 2010 1:45 pm ET)
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      I'm surprised Santorum wasn't there to comment. After all, he's an expert on dogs.
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    • Author by pecst1 (March 12, 2010 1:56 pm ET)
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      if you've got a golden retriever...and you know that the dog has got cancer and it's -- you know, there really is no getting any better, would you order a bunch of tests that are going to be costly and right out of your pocket because chances are you don't have the insurance...it also has to do with, you know, putting the dog through pain at the end of the road."

      You f-ing morons, it should sound familiar! This is the type of end of life counseling with the physicians that you called "death panels". Which btw, was in part suggested by the insurance companies. There were no "government boards" in that proposal. It was utilizing the counselors that exist in the hospitals ALREADY!

      Fox has no respect for the people they broadcast to. It's impossible. To spread that many lies and then to do this piece. Steve Doocy is puke in a suit.
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    • Author by voltaire (March 12, 2010 2:16 pm ET)
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      There can be no argument that these people are Bats*#^& crazy. People like that have been around forever, usually on the fringes of political discussions (as well as subway cars and street corners). What has changed these days is that these people now have mainstream forums to espouse their lunacy. Fox has legitimized the lunatic fringe. And they're taken seriously even by the media that don't have a rightwing bent. To compound matters, few ever challenge their arguments or the "facts" on which they claim to base their arguments. Instead, they become part of the Republican or right-wing spin, that is needed to "balance" the Democratic side. If you try to have a rational discussion with them, then they've won because, again, someone has given them the imprimatur of seriousness. It mystifies me why people who regularly comment on this site try to have a discussion with the right-wing trolls who regularly visit MMFA to "stir things up." You can't argue with a crazy person. And these days, the crazies feel confident in their arguments because they parrot the same Bats*&#% lunatics who populate Fox and talk radio. Every once in a while somebody actually does hold their feet to their fire (Jon Stewart being one of the few), and it makes for the most entertaining viewing, usually leading to a Ralph Kramden "hommina, hommina" moment.
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    • Author by pamparsons (March 12, 2010 2:50 pm ET)
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      Good grief. What is with these people? Anti-social personality disorder is defined as "...a pervasive pattern of disregard for, and violation of, the rights of others that begins in childhood or early adolescence and continues into adulthood." I am not a MH practitioner, but it's hard to believe there's not some sort of psychopathology at work here. Or are they just cruel, selfish people?

      It's amazing that in a country that these people consider based on the Christian beliefs of the Founders (a false belief), that this outright hypocrisy exists and is actively promoted.
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      • Author by SA Rose (March 12, 2010 6:21 pm ET)
           
        They may be psycopaths, and they're arguably cruel, selfish people. But basically they're just rating$ whore$, and they know their audiences never acquired any critical thinking skills and never left adolescence. If they didn't have the jobs they have, they would most likely be drunk or doped and quite likely unemployed.
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    • Author by liberalXtian (March 12, 2010 3:00 pm ET)
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      Nothing new here. Last month the Lt. Governor of South carolina equated the poor with stray animals.
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      • Author by dirtylittlereligion (March 12, 2010 3:11 pm ET)
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        And now we're getting more information. Those "stray animals" are "dogs". As opposed to cats I guess.
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        • Author by Johaely (March 12, 2010 4:42 pm ET)
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          Well they could only be, because cats are self reliant unlike those dogs that depend on the "guvmint" to solve their problems.
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          • Author by The_Cat (March 13, 2010 9:02 pm ET)
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            Oh yes, Mr. Doocy. Do please stop by some time and try to treat me like a dog. You'll quickly find out that this sort of tactic is only effective with the brainwashed few who watch your propaganda network without realizing that it's not 'news'.
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    • Author by shaggles (March 12, 2010 3:15 pm ET)
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      Does Doocy really support healthcare reform? This sounds like A Modest Proposal. That being said veterinary care is really f-ing expensive and a lot of people deal with it by not taking their pets to the vet. The same way people with no health insurance deal with it. There is actually pet health insurance but it's also expensive and doesn't cover pre-existing conditions.
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    • Author by only_myschly3567 (March 12, 2010 3:21 pm ET)
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      Oh yes Doocy! That makes a lot of sense! If only people went over the tests on a list, line by line, and decided if their life was worth the treatment, all our problems would go away!
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    • Author by Space-Pedestrian (March 12, 2010 3:36 pm ET)
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      This bill should be treated like the dog it is - drowned in the river like a runt.
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      • Author by rtejon (March 12, 2010 4:08 pm ET)
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        You may have just offered more insight about yourself than you intended.
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      • Author by dirtylittlereligion (March 12, 2010 4:49 pm ET)
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        Hmmmm.

        Do you wet the bed regularly?

        Does fire get you hard?

        Somebody quick! Are there any major manhunts for serial killers happening?
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      • Author by n'est-ce pas (March 12, 2010 5:14 pm ET)
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        Two similes in one sentence. Talk about your epic fail.
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      • Author by mikehuck1976 (March 12, 2010 6:30 pm ET)
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        Wow. You drown your dog in the river if you think it's a runt? Interesting. Says alot about your views, though.
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    • Author by nyyank37 (March 12, 2010 6:10 pm ET)
         
      quick fix for health care- one district attorney with enough guts to charge a heath insurance exeutive with manslaughter if someone dies because of their actions, like that poor girl in califorina that died because cigna withheld treatment for so long that the girl died. if this doesen't rise to murder. what does
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    • Author by Boxer1979 (March 12, 2010 6:41 pm ET)
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      Applesauce redux: Doocy endorses "treat them like dogs" health care reform fix

      Another idea brought to you by: FOX Snooze and dolts!

      SMH!
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    • Author by Refresh (March 12, 2010 9:38 pm ET)
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      Aren't these the same people complaining about how health care reform will lead to "rationing" of care and death panels? Now they are promoting rationing?
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    • Author by peets101 (March 13, 2010 12:51 pm ET)
         
      What more do we need to hear from these people before we get it that they are unfit to participate in the conversation? They are unfit because their true priorities are not on the table. They simply do not want to participate in a system that requires them to contribute to the health care of some poor (probably black) child who they don't know and don't care about. I would have more respect for them if they would simply say that.
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    • Author by Search4Reason (March 13, 2010 4:22 pm ET)
         
      Would anyone be able to afford having a child? Certainly, if the pregnancy were high-risk, abortion would be the only "humane" option. According the their analysis, humane=cheap.
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    • Author by albertsenj (March 14, 2010 3:33 am ET)
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      While I (regrettably) can't recall his name didn't someone in Congress recommend essentially what Limbaugh did when he gave the GOP health plan:
      1. Don't get sick
      2. If you do get sick, die soon
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      • Author by Ixa (March 14, 2010 2:46 pm ET)
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        "1. Don't get sick
        2. If you do get sick, die soon"

        That was Alan Grayson of Florida. You can Youtube it. It's hilarious.
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