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Karl Rove brings his misinformation tour to Meet the Press

March 14, 2010 4:36 pm ET — 31 Comments

Karl Rove brought his misinformation tour to Meet the Press by making false claims about the Iraq war and the use of reconciliation to pass health care reform legislation.

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Rove falsely claimed it "was not" Bush policy "to go into Iraq and take their" oil revenues "to pay for the cost of the war"

From the March 14 edition of NBC's Meet the Press:

TOM BROKAW (guest host): And Mr. Rove, there was also sharp criticism, and justified, from a lot of quarters of the management of the war once you did go to war. The insurgency was more swiftly activated on the part of those Islamics who wanted to fight back. We were not greeted as liberators beyond the first couple of days. We didn't have enough troops to provide internal security. The cost of the war skyrocketed almost from the beginning. There was not a sharing of the oil revenue that a lot of people had promised, including the vice president.

ROVE: Let me correct you. There -- you've put it down a lot of things here. I'll be happy to deal with them serially or together, whichever you like. But for example, on that one, the administration emphatically said this was not about oil. And we thought right from the beginning --

BROKAW: No, no, not about oil, but it was about --

ROVE: Let me finish.

BROKAW: -- how we would share oil revenue and it would help offset the cost of the war.

ROVE: No. No, no. Tom, with all due respect, that was not the policy of our government, that we were going to go into Iraq and take their resource in order to pay for the cost of the war.

BROKAW: But it would be part of the consequence of getting the country stabilized.

ROVE: No. Part of the consequence would be that Saddam Hussein, who used the oil market to manipulate prices and deny supplies to the West, would no longer be in a position to do that. But the suggestion that somehow or another the administration had as its policy, "We're going to go into Iraq and take their resource and pay for the war," is not [unintelligible]

BROKAW: I didn't say that. What I said was that there would be an oil sharing and the revenue from that would help offset the cost of the war. And I didn't stay it was a principal factor, but it was part of the larger scheme.

ROVE: No, with all due respect, we're simply going to disagree on this.

Fact: Bush administration officials said "the bulk of the funds for Iraq's reconstruction will come from Iraqis," including "oil revenues"

Rumsfeld: "[T]he bulk of the funds for Iraq's reconstruction will come from Iraqis," including "oil revenues." In an October 2, 2003, news briefing, then-Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld discussed President Bush's request for $87 billion in funding for the "global war on terror," $21 billion dollars of which Rumsfeld declared was "to help Afghanistan and Iraq secure their nation's freedom." Rumsfeld added: "The $20 billion the president requested is not intended to cover all of Iraq's needs. The bulk of the funds for Iraq's reconstruction will come from Iraqis -- from oil revenues, recovered assets, international trade, direct foreign investment, as well as some contributions we've already received and hope to receive from the international community."

Wolfowitz: "We're dealing with a country that could really finance its own reconstruction." As Think Progress noted, then-Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz testified before Congress on March 27, 2003, that "the oil revenues of that country [Iraq] could bring between 50 and 100 billion dollars over the course of the next two or three years. Now, there are a lot of claims on that money, but that's --- we're not dealing with Afghanistan that's a permanent ward of the international community. We are dealing with a country that can really finance its own reconstruction and relatively soon."

Fleisher: Iraq "is a rather wealthy country" that has the "means" to "shoulder much of the burden for their own reconstruction." As Think Progress also noted, in a February 18, 2003, press conference, then-White House press secretary Ari Fleischer said of reconstruction costs: "Iraq, unlike Afghanistan, is a rather wealthy country. Iraq has tremendous resources that belong to the Iraqi people. And so there are a variety of means that Iraq has to be able to shoulder much of the burden for their own reconstruction."

State Department suggested Iraqi "oil revenue" could "finance reconstruction with development itself, given its oil revenue." In an October 4, 2002, press briefing then-Assistant Secretary of State for Public Affairs Richard Boucher was asked whether the Iraq "working groups ... include[d] a financial component on how it would be funded and talks about whether that would be something the US would fund or the donor community." He replied, "I'm sure as they face each of these challenges they have to talk about the financing challenges, and obviously in some areas it's more likely Iraq would be able to finance reconstruction with development itself, given its oil revenue; in some areas, there might be needs."

Rove falsely claimed that reconciliation will "circumvent the normal order of business"

From Meet the Press:

BROKAW: But the fact of the matter is, we don't know the exact definition of the final bill, because it'll go through this complicated process, get to reconciliation, some of the costs will be addressed there.

ROVE: And isn't that amazing? We're asking people of the U.S. House of Representatives not to vote on the bill, but to vote on a placeholder, and the final terms of this huge measure affecting one-sixth of our economy will be defined later, perhaps in a bill in the Senate designed to circumvent the normal order of business. That's a pretty remarkable way to try and go pass a big piece of legislation without bipartisan support.

Fact: Reconciliation is already part of Senate procedure, and Republicans have used it repeatedly

Reconciliation process is part of congressional budget process. The budget reconciliation process is defined by the U.S. House Committee on Rules as "part of the congressional budget process ... utilized when Congress issues directives to legislate policy changes in mandatory spending (entitlements) or revenue programs (tax laws) to achieve the goals in spending and revenue contemplated by the budget resolution."

Republicans repeatedly used reconciliation to pass Bush's agenda. Republicans used the budget reconciliation process to pass Bush's 2001 and 2003 tax cuts as well as the 2005 "Tax Increase Prevention and Reconciliation Act." The Senate also used the procedure to pass a bill containing a provision that would permit oil drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. (The final version of that bill signed by Bush did not contain the provision on drilling.)

Fact: Reconciliation has been used to pass major changes to health care laws

Reconciliation has repeatedly been used to reform the health care system. On February 24, NPR noted that many "major changes to health care laws" have passed via reconciliation. These measures include COBRA, which allows laid-off workers to keep their insurance coverage, and the State Children's Health Insurance Program:

On NPR, Rosenbaum stated, "[T]he way in which virtually all of health reform ... has happened over the past 30 years has been the reconciliation process." During the February 24 broadcast of NPR's Morning Edition, health policy correspondent Julie Rovner quoted George Washington University professor Sara Rosenbaum saying: "In fact, the way in which virtually all of health reform, with very, very limited exceptions, has happened over the past 30 years has been the reconciliation process."

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    • Author by IRONY 101 (March 14, 2010 5:00 pm ET)
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      I guess Karl Rove assumes the majority of Americans weren't paying attention, or are just too stupid to remember, but one of the main selling points of the Iraq war was that it would pay for itself...with Iraq oil revenues. Then, when we got there we discovered that their oil production infrastructure was in a shambles...aside from the fat that the country fell into chaos with insurgency.

      Rove is a liar...
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      • Author by MidnightWriter (March 14, 2010 5:25 pm ET)
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        I seem to recall, as the rest of the city was being looted, we had established a well maned secure zone around the Oil Ministry.

        And, let us never forget that the original code name for the invasion was Operation Iraqi Liberation--O.I.L. Freudian slip, anyone?
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        • Author by dogbreath (March 14, 2010 5:31 pm ET)
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          As I recall that was the ONLY governmental building protected as Iraqis started acting on their "freedoms." Rove is trying to shovel BS faster than Brokaw can pick it apart. That is a tactic that he regularly uses when he is confronted by facts. Spin, spin, spin, Karl but we all remember your sale of the war, we aren't talking ancient history here.
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        • Author by Danlar (March 14, 2010 8:32 pm ET)
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          Today on Meet the Press Rove claimed we had UN approval for Iraqi Freedom! Brokaw didn't call him on it, don't think he even heard it but that's ok he just let Rove be Rove and show his shocking ignorance?...nah dishonesty. No we did not! Isn't this the most shocking statement he made since it is totally obviosly false. I think old Karl is smart enough to know we didn't have approval but who cares if it just isn't true he will attrack more attention to himself and say well the UN is very involved in Iraq today.
          He will probably work for Palin in '12=team clueless
          """""MR. BROKAW: Let me talk about your book, "Courage and Consequence." You spent a lot of time obviously on the Iraq war.

          MR. ROVE: Mm-hmm.

          MR. BROKAW: And in it, you acknowledge when weapons of mass destruction were not found, everyone was startled and not very happy about that. If that had been the case before war began, you couldn't have gotten congressional authorization.

          MR. ROVE: Nor, nor in all likelihood U.N. approval as we had as well.

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    • Author by JimmyCraghorn (March 14, 2010 5:30 pm ET)
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      ROVE: No, with all due respect, we're simply going to disagree on this.

      In other words, facts don't matter. All the 'on the record' statements don't matter either.

      Rove is the king of putting his fingers in his ears and saying "la la la la la la la la la la la la"
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      • Author by dogbreath (March 14, 2010 5:34 pm ET)
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        Rove has absolutely no integrity and no honor. He only wants to reconstruct his image, facts be damned.
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    • Author by The_Cat (March 14, 2010 6:43 pm ET)
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      The question Mr. Brokaw should've asked? The question I certainly would've asked?

      Mr. Rove, why is it that you are not in jail?
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      • Author by canaanxing9025 (March 14, 2010 6:57 pm ET)
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        Cat:

        The only reason that Mr. Brokaw didn't ask the question is because he is a class act; unlike the the comment I made below. Although, I wish he had asked the question just to see the blood burst from Rove's mouth.
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      • Author by Bobby Jindal fan (March 15, 2010 12:08 am ET)
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        "Mr. Rove, why is it that you are not in jail?"

        Because he has never been convicted of a crime. Are you proposing to do away with trials and just send people straight to jail because you don't like them?

        If that is your standard, that in three years President Palin can simply throw the entire Obama administration in prison without trial.
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        • Author by hurricaneyankee52983 (March 15, 2010 1:54 am ET)
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          BJFOOL, PRES PALIN? Won't happen but feel free to dream on.
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        • Author by sambo (March 15, 2010 6:45 am ET)
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          Pretend to have a little common sense, The-Cat meant, charges brought,found guilty,and in jail, 1,2,3 savvy?
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        • Author by txthinker (March 15, 2010 11:55 am ET)
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          If that is your standard, that in three years President Palin can simply throw the entire Obama administration in prison without trial.


          President Palin? BWA-HA-HA-HA!!!!

          (ROFLMAO)
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        • Author by The_Cat (March 15, 2010 3:02 pm ET)
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          Has yet to be convicted, Bobby Jindal fan, it's true. His time will come. There is plenty to charge him with, and I do wish the DOJ would get around to it.

          It's not my standard to throw people I don't like in jail just because I can, Bobby Jindal fan. That was the standard under Bush, Cheney & Co. Bush is lucky that I didn't get elected. I would've immediately declared him an enemy combatant and had him 'renditioned' somewhere nice and quiet.

          There will never be a President Palin, unless you are prognosticating about someone besides Sarah "The Quitter" Palin, of course.
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        • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (March 16, 2010 7:20 am ET)
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          If that is your standard, that in three years President Palin can simply throw the entire Obama administration in prison without trial.


          Bobby, you do know there's no Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy, Santa Claus, right?

          Well, I'm really, really, (not really) sorry to tell you THERE WILL NEVER BE A President Palin. It's NOT going to happen, no matter how many times you close your eyes, cross your fingers, toes and anything else you can cross, Palin WILL NEVER BE President.

          According to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll, 71% of Americans do not feel that Palin is qualified to be President. That includes a sharp drop in Republicans support, where 45% believe she is qualified compared to 66% who thought she was last fall.

          Overall, 37% have a favorable view while 55% have an unfavorable view of the former Alaska Governor.

          Palin Unqualified To Be President, Says Vast Majority Of Americans...
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    • Author by canaanxing9025 (March 14, 2010 6:44 pm ET)
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      Yes Tom, "we are going to have to disagree on this" because I am a mashed up mess of lying horses&&t, who is incapable of telling the truth.
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    • Author by Kikabi (March 14, 2010 7:34 pm ET)
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      I'm so tired of Karl Rove popping up every where - I was hoping we'd have seen the last of him when Bush 43 left. No such luck.

      Can't wait for that book of his lands in the bargain bin - should be any day now; all I hear is that it's not very good and full of lies.

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      • Author by OTP (March 14, 2010 7:46 pm ET)
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        How funny, heard it isn't very good - from your left-wing nutter friends.... figures
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        • Author by leftofwhat (March 15, 2010 12:14 am ET)
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          Why are you upset hmmmbop?Did you leave your crayons in the sun again.Rove is a professional liar and you are a cause without a rebel.You seem to think it's okay to to make a veiled threat againt the POTUS under a different handle,but you defend this charlatan for his obvious character flaws.Thorazine might help you ease off your bathtub meth habit.Your sole purpose here seems to be your rage against kind society.
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          • Author by bluto51 (March 15, 2010 3:32 am ET)
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            It appears there is no love lost between you and hummmmjob. But you need to know that a mind like that is comparable to the pupil of the eye.. The more light you shed on i6t the smaller it gets.
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        • Author by hurricaneyankee52983 (March 15, 2010 1:58 am ET)
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          OTP, from observing ROVE all these years i con determine that his book will be full of lies justifying the BUSH years and therefore good for nothing but toilet paper. feel free to buy it but tou will be wasting your money.
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          • Author by leftofwhat (March 15, 2010 12:07 pm ET)
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            Iowans have tried to place Rove under citizens arrest as well as people from other states.KKKarl may not be as sharp as he thinks he is.
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        • Author by Kikabi (March 15, 2010 10:16 pm ET)
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          How funny, heard it isn't very good - from your left-wing nutter friends.... figures


          I take exception to this because it's meant to be an insult of me and of my friends - you assume a lot about me and assume incorrectly.

          I don't have any "nutter" friends, and while a few are more or less left-wing, most of my friends are actually conservative. As for myself, I am neither left-wing nor right-wing. I prefer the center.

          It's true, I don't like Karl Rove. I find him smug, elitist, oddly enough, and arrogant. Why should my dislike of this one person cause you to make such assumptions about me and my friends?

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      • Author by bluto51 (March 15, 2010 3:28 am ET)
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        Speaking of the bargain bin Guess where Wal Mart has her book marked down to 4 bucks but still no takers,
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    • Author by Magicpony (March 14, 2010 10:29 pm ET)
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      Rove may well be lying but there is nothing in the MMFA examples that shows he is. Brokaw asked about revenue "sharing to help offset the cost of the war" but in all the quotes they are talking about Iraq using its own oil revenues for rebuilding post war. No mention of revenue sharing with the US.
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      • Author by DellDolly (March 16, 2010 1:18 am ET)
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        Liar.

        BROKAW: I didn't say that. What I said was that there would be an oil sharing and the revenue from that would help offset the cost of the war. And I didn't stay it was a principal factor, but it was part of the larger scheme.

        Fact: Bush administration officials said "the bulk of the funds for Iraq's reconstruction will come from Iraqis," including "oil revenues"

        Rumsfeld: "[T]he bulk of the funds for Iraq's reconstruction will come from Iraqis," including "oil revenues."

        Wolfowitz: "We're dealing with a country that could really finance its own reconstruction."

        Fleisher: Iraq "is a rather wealthy country" that has the "means" to "shoulder much of the burden for their own reconstruction."

        State Department suggested Iraqi "oil revenue" could "finance reconstruction with development itself, given its oil revenue."
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        • Author by Magicpony (March 16, 2010 8:14 am ET)
             
          Wow, I'm a liar am I? Just copying and pasting the quotes from the story doesn't change the facts. There is nothing in the quotes in this article that talks about revenue SHARING, only that Iraq could finance its own reconstruction. For the record, I believe there was talk in the early days of the war from high ranking GOP officials of revenue from Iraqi oil offsetting the cost of the war. My only point is that MMFA hasn't provided the relevant quotes. Nice for my first post to be called a LIAR.
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    • Author by papa bear3 (March 15, 2010 9:01 am ET)
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      As Bush's "awareness" emerged in the later part of his second administration he probably had a WTF moment when he talked to Petraeus and dumped Rumsfeld and marginalized Cheney, Rove was sure to be next. I guess he thought he was still on FOX when he started retrofitting his own history.
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    • Author by freedoms (March 15, 2010 9:32 am ET)
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      I found the most interesting part of that interview came when Mr. Rove first asserted that President Obama had looked "aloof and disengaged" in championing healthcare reform. Within seconds, Rove stepped on his own message. "The president has dominated the stage with 52 addresses, including addresses to Congress," he claimed with his usual air of smug certainty.
      Self-contradiction is not becoming!
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    • Author by News Corpse (March 15, 2010 12:43 pm ET)
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      The big news from the Rove interview was that...

      Karl Rove Confesses: Most Of Fox News Is Unfair

      Rove said that Fox was fair "on the news side." He explicitly excluded those portions of the Fox schedule that are designated as opinion programs - which is the majority of the schedule.
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      • Author by papajohn (March 15, 2010 4:54 pm ET)
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        In typical Meet the Press Fashion Brokaw like Gregory like Russert let Republicans spew their lies to their easily duped viewers and in many cases repeat Republican lies as if they were facts. Brokaw could have easily pointed to the SOFA that the Bush administration insisted upon that set up auctions for many of Iraq's oil fields. The auctions began on the same day that the troops pulled back from Baghdad. The media reported that, but have largely covered up the oil auctions that have been going on there. Those auctions were actually televised to the non-brainwashed rest of the world. There is good reason why every country that was involved in the Iraq occupation got rid of their leaders because of it except the US (and the tiny nation of Georgia). The reason is that programs like Meet the Press, State of the Union, and Face the Nation provide corporate propaganda and a platform for unchallenged lies to a hapless population.
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