Gingrich and Scarborough criticize self-executing rule, but in Congress they used it
Newt Gingrich and Joe Scarborough have recently criticized a proposed legislative procedure to finalize health care reform as "radical" and "incredible," despite having supported the use of the same legislative process while they were members of Congress. The rule in question is an accepted part of House procedure, and in the years after Gingrich became speaker of the House and Scarborough was elected, Congress "set new records" for its use.
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Gingrich and Scarborough criticize self-executing rule
Gingrich: "Incredible" that House is "passing bills without voting on them." From a March 10 post to Gingrich's Twitter account:

Scarborough: Proposal is "radical": "You can't do that." On the March 16 edition of MSNBC's Morning Joe, Scarborough remarked, "You can't do that," during a report that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is "mulling a strategy called deem and pass" to finalize the passage of health care reform. He later repeatedly called this legislative process "radical."
Republicans "set new records" for use of rule under Gingrich's speakership
Wolfensberger: Republicans "set new records" for using self-executing rule. Don Wolfensberger, former chief of staff for the House Rules Committee under Republican leadership, stated in a 2006 Roll Call column that the Republican Party "set new records" for its use of the self-executing rule in the years following Gingrich's ascension as Speaker:
Self-executing rules began innocently enough in the 1970s as a way of making technical corrections to bills. But, as the House became more partisan in the 1980s, the majority leadership was empowered by its caucus to take all necessary steps to pass the party's bills. This included a Rules Committee that was used more creatively to devise procedures to all but guarantee policy success. The self-executing rule was one such device to make substantive changes in legislation while ensuring majority passage.
When Republicans were in the minority, they railed against self-executing rules as being anti-deliberative because they undermined and perverted the work of committees and also prevented the House from having a separate debate and vote on the majority's preferred changes. From the 95th to 98th Congresses (1977-84), there were only eight self-executing rules making up just 1 percent of the 857 total rules granted. However, in Speaker Tip O'Neill's (D-Mass.) final term in the 99th Congress, there were 20 self-executing rules (12 percent). In Rep. Jim Wright's (D-Texas) only full term as Speaker, in the 100th Congress, there were 18 self-executing rules (17 percent). They reached a high point of 30 under Speaker Tom Foley (D-Wash.) during the final Democratic Congress, the 103rd, for 22 percent of all rules.
When Republicans took power in 1995, they soon lost their aversion to self-executing rules and proceeded to set new records under Speaker Newt Gingrich (R-Ga.). There were 38 and 52 self-executing rules in the 104th and 105th Congresses (1995-1998), making up 25 percent and 35 percent of all rules, respectively. Under Speaker Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) there were 40, 42 and 30 self-executing rules in the 106th, 107th and 108th Congresses (22 percent, 37 percent and 22 percent, respectively). Thus far in the 109th Congress, self-executing rules make up about 16 percent of all rules.
On April 26 [2006], the Rules Committee served up the mother of all self-executing rules for the lobby/ethics reform bill. The committee hit the trifecta with not one, not two, but three self-executing provisions in the same special rule.
Scarborough voted for self-executing rule as a congressman
Scarborough voted for H.R. 384. The Office of the Clerk of the U.S. House of Representatives documented Joe Scarborough's vote in favor of H.R. 384 on March 19, 1996. A 2006 Congressional Research Service report included this as an example of a self-executing rule:
On March 19, 1996, the House adopted a rule (H.Res. 384) that incorporated a voluntary employee verification program -- addressing the employment of illegal immigrants - into a committee substitute made in order as original text.
Self-executing rule is accepted part of House procedure
CRS: "Self-executing rules may stipulate that a discrete policy proposal is deemed to have passed the House." In a 2006 report, the Congressional Research Service defined the self-executing rule as part of the House rulemaking process:
Starting about twenty-five years ago, in response to developments such as increased partisanship and uncertainty with respect to how long or controversial the amendment process on the floor might be, the Rules Committee began to issue more procedurally imaginative and complex rules.
Definition of "Self-Executing" Rule. One of the newer types is called a "self-executing" rule; it embodies a "two-for-one" procedure. This means that when the House adopts a rule it also simultaneously agrees to dispose of a separate matter, which is specified in the rule itself. For instance, self-executing rules may stipulate that a discrete policy proposal is deemed to have passed the House and been incorporated in the bill to be taken up. The effect: neither in the House nor in the Committee of the Whole will lawmakers have an opportunity to amend or to vote separately on the "self-executed" provision. It was automatically agreed to when the House passed the rule.
Self-executing rules require a vote. The CRS report makes clear that passage of a rule by the House is required for the "self-executed" provision to be adopted. Wolfensberger stated in his 2006 Roll Call column: "Almost every major bill must obtain a special rule, or resolution, from the Rules Committee permitting immediate floor consideration. The resolution also specifies the amount of general debate time and what amendments will be allowed. A special rule also may contain other bells, whistles, gizmos and gadgets.One of these optional attachments is a self-executing provision, which decrees a specified amendment to have been adopted upon the rule's passage [Emphasis added]. In other words, once the House adopts the special rule it effectively has adopted the amendment before the bill has even been called up for consideration [Emphasis added]."

















Good one.
This must be the new talking point since it's been posted numerous times by conservatives on some of the sites I visit. Now, why would it matter?
What you posted doesn't make any sense. Also, the House will vote on the rule and I'm sure some Dems will vote "nay".
If they voted separately for the non-amended bill, it sure WOULD be used dishonestly by your side to claim that they supported every problematic thing in that first version that was fixed in the amended version!
If your side were being honest and fair, weasel, this wouldn't be necessary, so stop trying to play the part of the disgruntled victim. You aren't one. The nation, the American public, is the victim of your side's nonsense.
Basically, it still boils down to "it's different when Republicans do it." as Newt and Joe have proven above.
On April 26, the Rules Committee served up the mother of all self-executing rules for the lobby/ethics reform bill. The committee hit the trifecta with not one, not two, but three self-executing provisions in the same special rule. The first trigger was a double whammy: “In lieu of the amendments recommended by the Committees on the Judiciary, Rules, and Government Reform now printed in the bill, the amendment in the nature of a substitute consisting of the text of the Rules Committee Print dated April 21, 2006, modified by the amendment printed in part A of the report of the Committee on Rules accompanying this resolution, shall be considered as adopted in the House and the Committee of the Whole.”
Read more: http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2010/03/13/self-executing-rule/#ixzz0iO44J6fG
It then further amended its own substitute by automatically deleting a third Judiciary amendment requiring a Government Accountability Office study of lobbyist employment contracts.
The third self-executing provision occurs at the end of the special rule and states: “In the engrossment of H.R. 4975, the Clerk shall ... add the text of H.R. 513, as passed by the House, as new matter at the end of H.R. 4975.” In other words, the Clerk was authorized to add as an amendment an entire separate bill, in this case, the House-passed legislation regulating Section 527 political committees, and thereby put that issue into conference with the Senate (which has no comparable provision in its bill).
The special rule had other problems since it allowed only nine amendments to be offered out of 74 submitted. Moreover, appropriators were unhappy with the earmark provisions included in the bill. This forced Rules Chairman David Dreier (R-Calif.) to pull the rule after 20 minutes of debate, followed by a five-hour recess and Republican Conference meeting before the House reconvened and the rule again was called up and narrowly adopted, 216-207.
The perils of forsaking bipartisanship and deliberation on such an important institutional issue forced the majority leadership to resort to procedural politics in hyper-drive. Even then their souped-up procedural machine nearly blew its engine. It may be time to reinvent the Model T, with the “T” standing for the tried and true “tradition” of deliberative lawmaking.
It's not perfect, but it's a start. And, as always, you'll be allowed to keep your over-priced, under-covered private insurance so you can subsidize HMO profits and CEO salaries.
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Randy
If the democrats run this deal through there will be immediate court challenges to its legality.
Here's more evidence of that, direct from MMFA.
Conservative media figures have recently claimed that the use of a legislative procedure called a "self-executing rule" to pass health care reform in the House is unconstitutional. However, Yale law professor Jack Balkin has explained that the procedure in question would pass constitutional muster; additionally, federal appeals courts have recently held that the constitutional requirement that both houses pass a bill has been met when the House speaker and Senate president attest the bill has passed.
Two things.
1. No one is taking over 1/6 of economy. The private health care insurers of US public will still be participating in the takeover.
2. It is shameful that 1/6 of our economy is health care and yet there is a significant population un/under insured.
And the resolution was agreed to by the Yeas and Nays: 245 - 171 . Tha's a pretty big margin.
The sponsor was Rep Derrick, Butler C. [SC-3], a democrat.
I'm having a little difficulty with why this is the point being made against Scarborough.