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"Burn the Mexican flag!": A look back at the hateful anti-immigration rhetoric from 2006

March 18, 2010 4:17 pm ET — 102 Comments

In anticipation of the upcoming immigration marches, Media Matters for America has compiled a review of the hateful and outrageous right-wing rhetoric surrounding the immigration debate in 2006.

Right-wing rhetoric: Immigrant-rights marchers, immigrants are seeking to reclaim the Southwest for Mexico

Right-wing rhetoric: Immigrant rights marchers are "racis[t]"

Right-wing rhetoric: Pro-immigration marchers should be arrested or deported

Right-wing rhetoric: Stoking fears over displays of the Mexican flag

Right-wing rhetoric: Immigration is an "invasion"

Right-wing rhetoric: U.S., Mexico are in a state of "war"

Right-wing rhetoric: Immigrants are fundamentally altering American culture or way of life

Right-wing rhetoric: Immigration reform is part of plot to institute "North American Union"

Other hate speech and outrageous rhetoric

Right-wing rhetoric: Immigrant-rights marchers, immigrants are seeking to reclaim the Southwest for Mexico

"Reconquista" is a discredited smear used by the right to generate fear of Latino immigrants. During the 2006 immigration debate, right-wing media repeatedly advanced the discredited smear that Mexican-Americans and Mexican citizens -- particularly "illegal aliens" -- are plotting to take over the U.S. Southwest for Mexico.

Dobbs referred to potential "army" of "illegal alien" "invaders" taking over Southwest. During an April 2006 broadcast of his now-defunct CNN show, Lou Dobbs introduced a report by stating: "There are some Mexican citizens and some Mexican-Americans who want to see California, New Mexico and other parts of the Southwestern United States given over to Mexico. These groups call it the reconquista, Spanish for reconquest. And they view the millions of Mexican illegal aliens in particular entering the United States as potentially an army of invaders to achieve that takeover." Correspondent Christine Romans reported, "Long downplayed as a theory of the radical ethnic fringe, the la reconquista, the reconquest, the reclamation, the return, it's resonating with some on the streets," and went on to say: "A lot of open borders groups disavow it completely. But the growing street protests in favor of illegal immigration, Lou, are increasingly taking on the tone of that very radicalism." [CNN's Lou Dobbs Tonight, 4/31/06]

CNN reporter referenced "the Vicente Fox Aztlan tour," used "Aztlan" graphic sourced to hate group. Lou Dobbs Tonight correspondent Casey Wian characterized then-Mexican President Vicente Fox's trip to Salt Lake City, Utah, as a "Mexican military incursion" and claimed that "[y]ou could call" Fox's trip to the United States "the Vicente Fox Aztlan tour." During Wian's report, CNN featured a graphic of "Aztlan" that was sourced to the Council of Conservative Citizens -- an organization whose "Statement of Principles" reads: "We also oppose all efforts to mix the races of mankind, to promote non-white races over the European-American people through so-called 'affirmative action' and similar measures, to destroy or denigrate the European-American heritage, including the heritage of the Southern people, and to force the integration of the races." [Lou Dobbs Tonight, 5/23/06]

Malkin: "[T]he vast majority of mainstream Hispanic politicians" embrace "the intellectual underpinnings of reconquista." On Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor, columnist and blogger Michelle Malkin declared that protesters in Los Angeles were "people who believe that the American southwest belongs to Mexico, that we don't have a right to enforce our borders, and who do nothing more than try to sabotage our sovereignty." Malkin later added that "the kind of quote-unquote 'pride' that a lot of these illegal alien activists are touting now goes much further than just being proud about one's heritage and one's roots. The idea, the intellectual underpinnings of reconquista, are embraced by the vast majority of mainstream Hispanic politicians." [Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor, 3/30/06]

Wash. Times editorial: Protesters approve of "reconquista" agenda. A Washington Times editorial accused Latinos who protested against a proposal to restrict immigration of either supporting or having given "tacit approval" to the "reconquista" agenda of "Hispanic radicals," which the editorial said was the "reconquering of Mexican land lost during the Mexican-American war." [The Washington Times, 3/30/06]

Fox's Gibson suspicious that Latino advocacy groups are set on "retaking old Mexico territories ... by pure birth rate." While saying that he was citing an internal email from the National Council of La Raza, John Gibson claimed on his Fox News show that he was suspicious that advocacy groups like the NCLR favor "the so-called reconquista," which Gibson described as the "retaking of old Mexico territories, which are now part of the United States, by pure birth rate." Gibson also asserted that the NCLR "is a group dedicated to the betterment of the race," adding, "good, but try being American while you are at it, guys." [Fox News' The Big Story with John Gibson, 4/3/06]

O'Reilly: Purported immigrant protest "organizers" have hidden "hardcore militant agenda" to take back American Southwest. On his radio show, O'Reilly said that the "organizers" of immigrant rallies have a "hardcore militant agenda of 'You stole our land, you bad gringos.' " O'Reilly said that the "slogan" of the demonstrations' organizers was "[W]e didn't cross the border, the border crossed us," and that this meant that the organizers believed that Americans "stole [their] land." The organizers' hidden "agenda underneath," said O'Reilly, was that "now, we're going to take it back by massive, massive migration into the Southwest." [Westwood One's The Radio Factor with Bill O'Reilly, 5/1/06]

Buchanan: "Chicano chauvinists and Mexican agents" want to "take back through demography and culture what their ancestors lost through war." In his book, State of Emergency: The Third World Invasion and Conquest of America, published in August 2006, MSNBC contributor Pat Buchanan wrote: "Chicano chauvinists and Mexican agents have made clear their intent to take back through demography and culture what their ancestors lost through war." He also wrote that the United States must keep "Americans of European descent" from becoming the "minority" in order to "survive[]." [State of Emergency (Thomas Dunne Books)]

Malkin: "[W]e saw ... that supposed fringe" that favors reconquista "come out into the mainstream." O'Reilly said to Malkin, "So I know that there's an undercurrent of militancy that says, 'Hey, this is our territory. You stole it from us in the Mexican-American War. We're going to take it back now by illegal immigration.' But I think that's a fringe, nutty group, not the mass of millions that we have." Malkin replied: "Well, I guess I disagree with you there, Bill, because I mean, we saw in April and May of this year [2006] that supposed fringe come out into the mainstream. And it wasn't just a dozen folks who are ensconced in the ivory tower who believe that the Southwest is Aztlan and it belongs to them." O'Reilly later asked her: "You think that this massive immigration to the United States, 15 million strong, is a part of a plan to bring back territory to Mexico?" Malkin responded: "Well, I take the Mexican government at its word when it says that is exactly its plan." [The O'Reilly Factor, 8/23/06]

Right-wing rhetoric: Immigrant rights marchers are "racis[t]"

Malkin: "[M]ilitant racism from another protected minority group was on full display" from "Latino supremacists." In her syndicated column, Malkin wrote of immigration rallies, "Well, this weekend, militant racism from another protected minority group was on full display. But you wouldn't know it from press accounts that whitewashed or buried the protesters' virulent anti-American hatred." Malkin also wrote: "Apologists are quick to argue that Latino supremacists are just a small fringe faction of the pro-illegal immigration movement (never mind that their ranks include former and current Hispanic politicians from L.A. Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa to former California Democratic gubernatorial candidate Cruz Bustamante)." [Creators Syndicate column, 3/29/06]

Savage: "[B]rown supremacists" are "behind these protests." On his nationally syndicated radio show, Michael Savage said: "So, it seems to me that there's a certain group of immigrants that's not very happy and they're all Hispanic. I don't see any other racial group out there in the streets, do you? Now, that's very interesting. I'm not allowed to raise the issue or the specter of brown supremacists behind these protests. Don't tell me this is all about compassion for immigrants, because it is not at all only about compassion for immigrants. They are trying to provoke the takeover of the United States of America." [Talk Radio Network's The Savage Nation, 4/11/06]

Right-wing rhetoric: Pro-immigration marchers should be arrested or deported

Fox's Asman wondered whether marches are a perfect chance to "round up these lawbreakers and ship them out." Guest-hosting Fox News' Your World, David Asman discussed nationwide protests of immigration reform and wondered: "With so many illegals hitting the streets, is this the perfect time to round up these lawbreakers and ship them out?" As Asman spoke, the on-screen text read: "Round 'Em Up?" Later, the text read: "Perfect Chance to Arrest Illegal Immigrants?" [Fox News' Your World with Neil Cavuto, 4/10/06]

Smerconish: "[L]aw enforcement ought to step in" at immigration demonstrations and consider "gathering ... up" undocumented immigrants. Guest-hosting MSNBC's Scarborough Country, Philadelphia-based radio host Michael Smerconish suggested that "maybe law enforcement ought to step in" at pro-immigration demonstrations and consider "gathering ... up" undocumented immigrants. Smerconish wondered why there was "zero discussion" of "gathering them up" at the demonstrations, when "[a]ll I keep hearing is how would we ever find them?" [MSNBC's Scarborough Country, 4/10/06]

Doocy suggested "round[ing] them up right then, when they're saying, 'Hey, I'm right here.' " On Fox & Friends, syndicated radio host Erich "Mancow" Muller announced that he was "having a big rally here in Chicago" for a "group" that he said was "pro-illegal murder and illegal car thieves." Muller added: "We're just getting together, and we're going to be out on the street. We're for illegal murder and illegal car thievery. So, we just like illegal stuff." Muller added: "I just like illegal murder and illegal car thieves. So, you know, it's illegal, but -- and, in fact, all the people who have done it are going to be out there on the street, and hopefully, none of the cops will come arrest us." Co-host Steve Doocy then said: "Yeah, you wouldn't want to round them up right then, when they're saying, 'Hey, I'm right here.' " [Fox News' Fox & Friends, 4/3/06]

Right-wing rhetoric: Stoking fears over displays of the Mexican flag

Media figures attacked Mexican-flag wavers, but not those waving Irish, Italian, or Israeli flags. Following immigration rallies, media figures criticized demonstrators for carrying Mexican flags, but the same media figures had not complained about people waving other nations' flags, such as Irish flags at St. Patrick's Day events, Italian flags at Columbus Day events, or Israeli flags at Israel Day events. Some commentators even dismissed the comparison. For instance, National Review editor Rich Lowry called the Mexican-flag waving "more ominous" than the St. Patrick's Day or Columbus Day displays.

Savage: "[B]urn the Mexican flag!" On his radio show, Savage urged his listeners to "burn the Mexican flag" in opposition to undocumented immigrants, telling them to "[b]urn a Mexican flag for America, burn a Mexican flag for those who died that you should have a nationality and a sovereignty, go out in the street and show you're a man, burn 10 Mexican flags, if I could recommend it. Put one in the window upside down and tell them to go back where they came from! And if that's a little to xenophobic for you, ask yourself why the xenophobes from Mexico wave their flag in your country." [The Savage Nation, 3/27/06]

Fox News: Waving Mexican flag shows "antagonistic edge," waving U.S. flag "just a cover" and "a ploy to win America's support." Asman cited demonstrators' use of Mexican flags as evidence of "an antagonistic edge" and suggested that the use of U.S. flags and signs written in English at pro-immigration demonstrations was "just a cover" by the demonstrators to conceal their "real intention, which is to keep things as normal among illegal immigrants in the country." Similarly, Neil Cavuto suggested that the pro-immigration demonstrators' U.S. flags were "just a prop" and "just a ploy to win America's support." [Your World with Neil Cavuto, 4/10/06; 4/11/06]

Right-wing rhetoric: Immigration is an "invasion"

Buchanan: Illegal immigration is "an invasion of the United States of America" and "[t]he whole world is coming." On MSNBC's Hardball, Buchanan claimed that the influx of undocumented immigrants into the United States is "not immigration" but "an invasion of the United States of America" that is "coming not only from Mexico," but "from the whole world." He reiterated: "The whole world is coming." [MSNBC's Hardball with Chris Matthews, 5/15/06]

Savage: "This is an invasion by any other name." Savage said, "We, the people, are being displaced by the people of Mexico. This is an invasion by any other name. Everybody with a brain understands that. Everybody who understands reality understands we are being pushed out of our own country." [The Savage Nation, 3/27/06]

Buchanan: "This is an invasion, the greatest invasion in history." In State of Emergency, Buchanan wrote of immigration: "This is an invasion, the greatest invasion in history." He also wrote: "We are witnessing how nations perish. We are entered upon the final act of our civilization. The last scene is the deconstruction of the nations. The penultimate scene, now well underway, is the invasion unresisted." [State of Emergency]

Right-wing rhetoric: U.S., Mexico are in a state of "war"

Tancredo: [W]e are at war with Mexico, in a way." On Fox News' Hannity & Colmes, WorldNetDaily.com columnist Tom Tancredo -- then a Republican congressman from Colorado -- said, "[I]n a way, we are at war with Mexico, in a way. I'll say it in this way: Mexico is aiding and abetting an invasion of this country. They are part of the problem. They are doing what they are -- in fact, they are creating situations along that border using their own military to protect drug trafficking into the United States, pushing their own people into the United States for a variety of reasons. It is an invasion. It is an act of aggression." [Fox News' Hannity & Colmes, 6/26/06, transcript from the Nexis database]

Beck sidekick Gray: "[W]e are in a war with Mexico right now." Pat Gray, who is now a co-host of Glenn Beck's radio show, appeared on Beck's then-CNN Headline News show and claimed that "we are in a war with Mexico right now." After Beck agreed that "we better wake up soon," Gray responded: "[O]r we're going to wake up dead." [CNN Headline News' Glenn Beck, 9/25/06]

Right-wing rhetoric: Immigrants are fundamentally altering American culture or way of life

O'Reilly claimed to have exposed the "hidden agenda" behind the immigrant rights movement: "the browning of America." O'Reilly claimed that during his Fox News show, guest Charles Barron, a New York City councilman, had revealed the "hidden agenda" behind the current immigration debate. O'Reilly told his radio listeners: "[T]he bottom line is Charles Barron said last night is there is a movement in this country to wipe out 'white privilege' and to have the browning of America." But in the interview, Barron at no point claimed that he and other advocates for immigrant rights are motivated by a desire to force white Americans into the minority -- despite O'Reilly's repeated efforts to provoke such an acknowledgment. [The Radio Factor with Bill O'Reilly, 4/12/06]

Beck: "[I]llegal immigrants are attacking our culture, and our way of life." On his then-CNN Headline News show, Beck said, "[A]t the very least, illegal immigrants are attacking our culture, and our way of life. They are not melting into our melting pot -- they're here for the cash." He later said, "I mean, we've got all these threats coming in from overseas, but the simplest way is for us to lose the culture of the West is just to do nothing and let illegal immigrants not melt in and take the culture away from us." [Glenn Beck, 8/24/06]

Buchanan: "They're not welcome to come here and insult the symbols of our country, and that's what these outsiders have done." On Scarborough Country, Buchanan said that a Spanish-language version of "The Star-Spangled Banner" is "a provocation and an insult" and that immigrants are "not welcome to come here and insult the symbols of our country, and that's what these outsiders have done." Buchanan then said that the Spanish recording is "a good thing in this sense: The American people are awakening to the character of these people." [Scarborough Country, 5/1/06]

Matthews: Republicans "have a right to fear" a "cultural change" that would result in their hometowns "becom[ing] overwhelmingly Mexican." On Hardball, Matthews claimed that House Republicans who had passed a bill that would apparently have criminalized undocumented immigrants, their employers, and those who provide aid to them "have a right to fear" a "cultural change" that would result in their home states and towns "becom[ing] overwhelmingly Mexican." Matthews was responding to a suggestion by guest Amy Goodman, host of Democracy Now, that "the Republicans who passed the House bill" are "afraid" that the United States will soon have "a majority Latino population." Matthews later said, "It's not my point view necessarily," before suggesting that "90 percent of this country" agrees with the "viewpoint" that "I didn't move to Mexico; Mexico moved to me, and I'm complaining about it." [Hardball with Chris Matthews, 3/30/06]

O'Reilly: "[Y]ou're on a nice block ... and then the house next to you is turned into an illegal alien Club Med." On his radio show, O'Reilly said:

You've got the folks who don't have emotion invested in it, other than the farmers down and the ranchers down on the border are going -- as the lady just called up, [caller] -- say, look, I got garbage in my -- on my ranch every day. I mean, I'm under siege. They have emotion invested in it. But those of us up here don't.

Unless you live in a town, like Farmingville, Long Island -- we went over this before -- where you bought a house, you spent a couple of hundred thousand dollars, you're on a nice block, your kids are happy, and then the house next to you is turned into an illegal alien Club Med. And this happens all over the country. [The Radio Factor with Bill O'Reilly, 3/27/06]

Buchanan: "I think what's coming is the complete balkanization of America." On Hardball, Buchanan said, "I think what's coming is the complete balkanization of America, and I'm afraid it's going to be by ethnicity and culture, and language, and every other way. ... And so, then, it's not like the country you and I grew up in, Chris, whereby we were monocultural. We were monocultural." [Hardball, 6/5/06]

O'Reilly wondered whether children of Mexican immigrants in U.S. "have any kind of traditional value system" or are "setting up Acapulco North." On his radio show, O'Reilly wondered whether children of legal and undocumented immigrants from Mexico who are attending school in the United States "have any kind of traditional value system at all, vis-à-vis what America used to be," or whether they are "taking their Mexican values, because most of them are Mexicans, and, you know, basically setting up Acapulco North." [The Radio Factor with Bill O'Reilly, 8/15/06]

Buchanan: "You're going to have a giant Kosovo in the Southwest, which de facto is going to secede." On Scarborough Country, Buchanan said: "[Y]ou cannot absorb 40 to 60 million more people. You're going to have a giant Kosovo in the Southwest, which de facto is going to secede from this country." [Scarborough Country, 6/5/06]

Buchanan: Immigration will turn U.S. into "a polyglot boarding house for the world, a tangle of squabbling minorities." On CNN's The Situation Room, Buchanan warned that "[w]e'll become a polyglot boarding house for the world, a tangle of squabbling minorities." He continued: "The problem with the immigration, basically -- let's take Mexico -- is these folks are breaking the law, first. Secondly, they're coming in huge numbers, like no other group before. Third, they're from a contiguous nation. Fourth, 58 percent of Mexicans believe the Southwest belongs to them. Fifth, the Mexican government is pushing them in here, and it's got a political and ideological agenda." [CNN's The Situation Room, 8/28/06]

Right-wing rhetoric: Immigration reform is part of plot to institute "North American Union"

"North American Union" is an absurd conspiracy theory. Right-wing media, including Dobbs, have obsessively warned that elements in the U.S. government are secretly plotting to merge the United States with Mexico and Canada in a "North American Union" similar to the European Union. During the June 21, 2006, edition of his CNN show, Dobbs stated that "the Bush administration is pushing ahead with a plan to create a North American union with Canada and Mexico" and later asked: "Do you think, our question is, maybe somebody should take a vote if we're going to merge Canada, Mexico and the United States as the leaders of the three countries are attempting to do with the security and prosperity partnership? Yes or no. Cast your vote at LouDobbs.com." Dobbs' CNN colleague Suzanne Malveaux later described the North American Union rhetoric as "conspiracy theor[y]." [Lou Dobbs Tonight, 6/21/06]

Corsi: "North American Union ... was the hidden agenda behind the Bush administration's true open borders policy." Jerome Corsi, co-author of Unfit for Command: Swift Boat Veterans Speak Out Against John Kerry, wrote in a column that "President Bush is pursuing a globalist agenda to create a North American Union, effectively erasing our borders with both Mexico and Canada. This was the hidden agenda behind the Bush administration's true open borders policy. Secretly, the Bush administration is pursuing a policy to expand NAFTA politically, setting the stage for a North American Union designed to encompass the U.S., Canada, and Mexico." [HumanEvents.com, 5/19/06]

WND's Farah linked Bush guest-worker proposal to plan by "one-worlders" to merge U.S., Mexico, Canada. Appearing on a radio show, WorldNetDaily founder and editor Joseph Farah claimed that the "one-worlders" of the Council on Foreign Relations have a plan to merge the United States, Mexico, and Canada by 2010 and suggested that Bush's proposed guest-worker program is part of this plan. Farah said, "Sometimes, the conspiracies are right." [American Family Radio's Today's Issues, 4/4/06]

Buchanan: Vicente Fox's "ultimate goal" is making Mexico and U.S. "basically part of the North American Union." On Lou Dobbs Tonight, Buchanan said, "The government of Mexico is pushing its poor and unemployed into the United States to ease social pressure on itself. Secondly, they get $16 billion in remittances back to Mexico. Third, it is awoken to the idea that it can reannex the American southwest, which it used to hold, linguistically, culturally, ethnically and socially, not militarily by pushing all these people in there and creating a gigantic fifth column in America." Buchanan added: "The ultimate goal of Vicente Fox is the erasure of the border between the United States and Mexico. He has said as much and to make the two basically part of the North American Union in which Mexico will get ... a constant flow of cash from the wealthy USA and La Reconquista is the objective." [Lou Dobbs Tonight, 9/5/06, Nexis transcript]

Other hate speech and outrageous rhetoric

Savage: Undocumented immigrants at protests are "vermin." On his radio show, Savage warned political leaders against "tak[ing] to the streets," saying "to the politicians": "I warn you personally. You will not be re-elected. If you take to the streets with the vermin who are trying to dictate to us how we should run America, even though they're not even entitled to vote or be here, you're going to be thrown out of office. The people will throw you out of office. There are not enough of them to re-elect you. You will be out of a job. You will not have a living. You will be hunting for a job. Maybe, you'll be picking the vegetables." [The Savage Nation, 4/10/06]

Beck: Undocumented immigrants are either "terrorists," outlaws, or people who "can't make a living in their own dirtbag country." On his radio show, Beck claimed that there are three reasons that an undocumented immigrant "comes across the border in the middle of the night": "One, they're terrorists; two, they're escaping the law; or three, they're hungry. They can't make a living in their own dirtbag country." [The Glenn Beck Program, 4/27/06]

O'Reilly: Immigration controversy is "becoming a race war." On his radio show, O'Reilly stated that "you just cannot keep assimilating millions of people in here at the rate they're coming without unintended consequences. And you've got them all day long. So now, it's becoming a race war. That's what it's becoming -- a race war. You see half a million people show up in L.A. and they were waving Mexican flags. And they're saying, 'Hey, we have a right to be here.' No, you don't. If you're illegal, you don't have a right to be here. But they don't see it that way." [The Radio Factor with Bill O'Reilly, 3/29/06]

Boortz: "[W]here do we store 11 million Hispanics just waiting to ship 'em back to Nicaragua, Colombia, Costa Rica, Mexico? ... The Superdome!" Nationally syndicated radio host Neal Boortz said that undocumented immigrants "are not going to be shipped back. I mean ... think about -- Mexico doesn't want 'em back, first of all. Think what happens if we round -- first of all, where do we store 11 million Hispanics just waiting to ship 'em back to Nicaragua, Colombia, Costa Rica, Mexico? Where do we store 'em? ... The Superdome! Exactly. And the Astrodome in Houston. That's where we'll put 'em. We've got practice." [Cox Radio Syndication's The Neal Boortz Show, 3/27/06]

Cavuto: Are immigration protests "economic terrorism?" On Your World, Cavuto addressed the "Day Without Immigrants" protests, asking, "So is it freedom of expression, or economic terrorism?" At various points throughout the program, the on-screen text echoed Cavuto's question, asking: " 'A Day Without Immigrants'; Economic Terrorism?" [Your World with Neil Cavuto, 5/1/06]

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    • Author by southerngal (March 18, 2010 4:25 pm ET)
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      Thanks MMfA. Way to amp down on more hateful rhetoric between those on both sides of this issue. Bubble it all up to the top of the pot. Why not look back at racial tensions, and gay issues next?

      Flames, commence fanning.
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      • Author by Invent a Scandal (March 18, 2010 4:58 pm ET)
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        I'm wondering if right ON is really,

        Lou Dobbs?

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      • Author by usp (March 18, 2010 8:39 pm ET)
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        "amp down"?
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      • Author by Bobby Jindal fan (March 19, 2010 12:28 am ET)
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        In Mexico if you are not a citizen you have no right to participate in a political demonstration. We should have the same laws. People who have no right to even be here have no business commenting our our immigation policies. They need to go home. The Dems support them because they see them as future Democrat voters.
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        • Author by Pedro2 (March 19, 2010 10:52 am ET)
             
          There are enough laws already. Making more laws creates bigger government.

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        • Author by roundhouse (March 19, 2010 11:32 am ET)
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          So Mexican laws are good enough for us, but their actual human beings are not? You need to stop assuming that these protesters are not citizens. With that Republican attitude, we will all be future Democrats.
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          • Author by JohnnyAppleseed (March 19, 2010 12:05 pm ET)
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            No, their people are good enough for us.

            From the L. A. Times
            1. 40% of all workers in L. A. County ( L. A. County has 10.2 million people)are working for cash and not paying taxes. This is because they are predominantly illegal immigrants working without a green card.
            2. 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.
            3. 75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal aliens.
            4. Over 2/3 of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal, whose births were paid for by taxpayers.
            5. Nearly 35% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally.
            6. Over 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in garages.
            7. The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely illegal aliens from south of the border.
            8 Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal.
            9. 21 radio stations in L. A.. are Spanish speaking.
            10.. In L. A. County 5.1 million people speak English, 3.9 million speak Spanish.
            (There are 10.2 million people in L. A. County . )

            But hey, keep making your case to bring em in here! If all cities could be like LA, it would be one big great place, right?
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            • Author by congero6189599 (March 19, 2010 1:08 pm ET)
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              Please site the articles or articles you drew theses stats from in the L.A. Times. I'd like to read it or them.
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              • Author by congero6189599 (March 19, 2010 1:16 pm ET)
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                I challenge you to provide the source for your stats. You won't or can't because it would expose you as a liar and racist...oops too late .
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                • Author by MiniTru (March 20, 2010 2:59 pm ET)
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                  <<crickets>>
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                • Author by Jose4 (March 21, 2010 10:14 am ET)
                     
                  First, if you want to appear literate use 'cite' and not site.

                  Second, the underground economy is not easy to quantify. If you ever lived in Los Angeles you would know.

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            • Author by mikehuck1976 (March 19, 2010 7:46 pm ET)
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              "No, their people are good enough for us." - Johnny

              What the-?!

              And, please provide your links to support these outlandish claims. Placing your own numbers by them does not tell us which right-wing site you plagiarized them from.
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            • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (March 20, 2010 6:39 am ET)
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              From the L. A. Times

              It's NOT from the LA Times, it's an Internet rumor!
              The various figures quoted were not taken from a 2002 Los Angeles Times article...
              Example: 4. Over 2/3 of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal, whose births were paid for by taxpayers.

              Truth: The California Vital Records Department of the Department of Health services classified as "Hispanic" the race/ethnicity of 62.7% of all births occurring in Los Angeles county in 2001. The statistic quoted above therefore erroneously characterizes ALL parents of Hispanic heritage in Los Angeles County in 2001 as being "illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal."



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        • Author by Midnight Kevin (March 21, 2010 7:16 am ET)
             
          America was built on the backs of immigrants... I suppose Republicans only see them as future cotton pickers, tomato farmers, or railroad track layers...
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        • Author by doggeddem (March 21, 2010 9:58 am ET)
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          You can take your white sheets out of the closet now. We know your true racist feelings. You don't have to pretend that you are civilized. You are just the same kind of pig Glenn Beck is. Now, go cheney yourself.
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    • Author by anything22 (March 18, 2010 4:46 pm ET)
         
      This article fails to differentiate between immigrants and illegal aliens. The truth is that the VAST MAJORITY of the American populace is profoundly AGAINST ILLEGALS. Don't go away mad, just go away. After all, the illegals broke laws to sneak into our country. If they want to break the law then they should expect to suffer the consequences and be deported when they get caught.
      You can try to twist the facts and use illogical reasoning, but at the end of the day, they are law-breakers who are not wanted in America.
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    • Author by null1fy (March 18, 2010 5:07 pm ET)
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      Just another attempt by MMFA to demonize and censure the political right by digging up dirt from way back when.
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      • Author by Invent a Scandal (March 18, 2010 5:09 pm ET)
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        Yeah,
        some of those comments were over three months old.
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        • Author by null1fy (March 18, 2010 5:13 pm ET)
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          "A look back at the hateful anti-immigration rhetoric from 2006."

          4 years

          It's called: Desperation.
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          • Author by foghornleghorn (March 18, 2010 5:59 pm ET)
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            No, it's called shades of things to come. Because the Republicans never have any new ideas, just recycled old failed ideas/lies/smears.
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            • Author by null1fy (March 18, 2010 6:03 pm ET)
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              They can't think of anything new so they scrape the bottom of the barrel and go back to times forgotten to stir up a little hate.
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              • Author by darkmass (March 18, 2010 9:53 pm ET)
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                When was the last time the political right actually said something new?
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            • Author by JohnnyAppleseed (March 19, 2010 7:55 pm ET)
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              Like the democraps "new" ideas of industry takeovers and socialism that have worked so well over the years everywhere else right?
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          • Author by Midnight Kevin (March 21, 2010 7:17 am ET)
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            Then what exactly is it that Glenn Beck does when he dusts off a video clip from years back? How about Big Government's smears against Kevin Jennings by citing events that occurred almost 10 years ago?
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      • Author by southerngal (March 18, 2010 5:12 pm ET)
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        And all it does it make sure that those on opposite sides of this important issue, that needs serious and thoughtful resolutions, will just dig in their heels even more and muddy up the debate throwing insults back and forth at each other. Remind them again of how nasty it was before instead of promoting civility and a fresh beginning from now on.

        Can't have that, it's pathetic.
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        • Author by whatIthink (March 18, 2010 5:19 pm ET)
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          Riiigghhhtttt....have you seen or read the posts about healthcare (including your own) lately? Talk about "throwing insults back and forth" and putting forth demonstrably false talking points and using fear tactics.

          I guess you're idea of " promoting civility and a fresh beginning from now on" is for conservatives to trot out the same old debunked lies (death panels, federal funding of abortions, socialism, etc) and you're idea of a fresh begining is to help spread the misinformation about legislative procedures that have been used extensively by Republicans in the past as being undemocratic, treasonous and illegal.

          You can wipe those crocodile tears from your face now.
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          • Author by southerngal (March 18, 2010 5:27 pm ET)
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            Oh please, my insults pale in comparison to the nastiness of many here toward those stupid talk show hosts that you all devour like red meat whenever they open their mouth, not to mention the posters here to each other. None of us has that market cornered. Besides, I don't introduce some topic by reprinting all the nasty contentious debate from 4 years ago and say "See!".

            If you think that moves anything along beyond more nastiness, you're wrong.
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            • Author by whatIthink (March 18, 2010 5:36 pm ET)
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              Check, got ya. As long as it's fresh misleading information, lies and smears it's okay, as long as we don't bring up something from more than 6 or so months ago. Does that mean we've seen the end of people bringing up things that were said years ago? In speechs or papers or interviews or whatever? I'll be sure to remind your fellow righties the next time they bring what Van Jones said years ago or what Dunn said or what Obama said or whatever their boogeyman du jour maybe.
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              • Author by southerngal (March 18, 2010 5:40 pm ET)
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                Obama wanted and campaigned on a new tone, shedding the old partisan wranglings and maneuverings. MMfA is doing just the opposite. As I said, fanning the flames by reopening wounds on a bitterly contested issue.

                Nice job.
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                • Author by whatIthink (March 18, 2010 7:30 pm ET)
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                  Some promises never delivered on:
                  Rewrite and simplification of Tax Code
                  Uniter, not a divider
                  Compassionate conservative
                  Establishment of health centers in every poor or rural county in the country that does not have one
                  Promoting flexible schedules to make companies family friendly

                  Here's a whopper:
                  "There are 43 million uninsured Americans – 4 million more than when the current administration took office. George W. Bush will reverse this trend by making health insurance affordable for hard-working, low-income families." Bush/Cheney 2000 campaign

                  "To restore confidence in government, [George W. Bush] will...attack pork-barrel spending." Bush/Cheney campaign 2000

                  "[B]y far the vast majority of my tax cuts go to the bottom end of the spectrum." Bush 2000

                  "Governor Bush's income tax cuts will benefit all Americans, but they are especially focused on low and moderate income families."

                  "As President, Governor Bush will pay the debt down to a historically low level."

                  "I'll lower the price of oil."

                  "...Future generations shouldn't be forced to pay back money that we have borrowed. We pay back money that we have borrowed. We owe this kind of responsibility to our children and grandchildren..."

                  "The President's plan will accelerate this trend to record rates by retiring an historic $2 trillion in debt over the next 10 years."

                  "The state can do what they want to do. Don't try to trap me in this state's issue like you're trying to get me into." Gov. George W. Bush on Gay Marriage, Presidential Primary Debate, 2/15/00

                  "You can't distinguish between al Qaeda and Saddam when you talk about the war on terror."

                  "We're going to keep the promise of Social Security and keep the government from raiding the Social Security surplus."

                  Oops, there I go bringing up things from the past.


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                • Author by usp (March 18, 2010 8:41 pm ET)
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                  troll! high fives!
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          • Author by OTP (March 18, 2010 9:41 pm ET)
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            And let me guess, you NEVER throw out insults or put forth demonstrably false talking points.... RIGHT Hypocrites... deflect, spin, spin some more, then insults, name calling and finally the all mighty "troll" label.... huh!
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    • Author by Porkeater (March 18, 2010 6:47 pm ET)
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      I see this thread is catnip for trolls. Never mind guys, i'm sure there will soon be some brand new repetitions of the same nonsense we see here. However, it's been a good exercise to review what the pattern of anti-immigration hate has been up to now. Orrr... d'you have anything to add now?
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      • Author by OTP (March 19, 2010 1:17 am ET)
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        No anti-immigration hate you racist bigot... ILLEGAL ALIEN trespassing is the issue REGARDLESS of race....

        Name a conservative that has EVER mentioned race, just ONE....

        ILLEGAL ALIENS span ALL races and a heck of a lot of the ethnic groups as well....

        YOU epitomize the racists from the likes of "la raza". I still haven't figured out which race they refer to as "the race".... bigoted racists - go ahead deny it....

        trolls, good one, how about the paid shills for the mmfa talking points, you one? pork eater, PIG is more appropriate.
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        • Author by benjr (March 19, 2010 10:33 am ET)
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          Name a conservative that has EVER mentioned race, just ONE....


          Well. . . Limbaugh did call the President "boy" and "uppity", and Beck said that President Obama hated white culture.


          YOU epitomize the racists from the likes of "la raza". I still haven't figured out which race they refer to as "the race".... bigoted racists - go ahead deny it....


          Okay. I deny it. If you had any idea what La Raza stands for or what kind of work the group does you'd (well, maybe not you personally, but any rational person) be hard pressed to call it a racist group.
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        • Author by Porkeater (March 19, 2010 10:57 am ET)
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          Boo-hoo! OTP call me bad name, me cry now... woe woe woe. OTP find out me drinking up mmfa millions here on my yacht! Porkeater sad now. OTP has made scales drop from eyes and me must repent now.

          Me never call racist a person what say US and Mexico at war!
          Me never call racist person what use terms like anchor baby!
          Me never again point out to right wing reactionaries that America changing whether they like or not!
          And me never never again criticize OTP's hero, Lou Dobbs, that hateful, race-baiting coward what afraid to bite black people and think hispanics easier!

          Oops!

          O the shame!
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    • Author by cugagcmu805031 (March 18, 2010 7:29 pm ET)
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      This post is the main reason I've decided to join a new FB group called Cuentame. It is a progressive Hispanic group formed to fight the hate being spread by the far rw of the Republican Party. I know some who post here will jump to vote this post down and confirm my suspicion that they don't like hearing the truth, but hey, if you lie down with dogs, you'll get fleas.
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      • Author by OTP (March 18, 2010 9:58 pm ET)
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        It would be really nice if you focused on the hate and racism spread by groups like la raza (exactly what race are they referring to?)

        No one on the "right wing" has ANYTHING against legal and lawful immigration. This country is largely a country of immigrants. Immigrants from all races and elasticities. My ancestors are immigrants....

        What I object to, like most conservatives, is the flagrant disregard for the American boarders, and I mean all borders....

        What happens if an American enters Canada or Mexico illegally and is caught??? good question. Should America respond any differently when our boarders are violated?

        I find it rather disturbing that YOU make incendiary accusations regarding those that "vote thumbs down". Exactly what in your statements(s) are "the truth"... WHO from the rw republican party has ever said ANYTHING regarding immigration or immigration laws... I can only recall discussion on ILLEGAL ALIENS. ILLEGAL ALIENS refers to ANYONE in this country ILLEGALLY. I certainly don't recall anyone singling out those of hispanic ethnicity vs. canadian or irish or israeli.... PROOF, not just lip smacking, name names and fill us in on how you KNOW they are the far rw republicans.... Thanks


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        • Author by OTP (March 18, 2010 10:00 pm ET)
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          oops - elasticities SHOULD be ethnicity's

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        • Author by MiniTru (March 18, 2010 11:22 pm ET)
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          What happens if an American enters Canada or Mexico illegally and is caught???
          Canadians and Mexicans are Americans, too.
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          • Author by congero6189599 (March 19, 2010 12:16 am ET)
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            Sooooooo true!
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          • Author by OTP (March 19, 2010 12:45 am ET)
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            Common vernacular in the United States of America AND for that matter in Mexico and Canada is that America refers to the United states of America... Give it a try, go to Mexico and declare it America and see what THAT gets you....

            Again, what happens if an American enters Canada or Mexico illegally and is caught??? Believe me it isn't very pretty. Perhaps we should take a lesson.....
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            • Author by SAR (March 19, 2010 11:01 am ET)
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              Falso. At least in most Latin America, it's more common "norteamericano" or "estadounidense" than "americano". Unless it's in a form of an insult.
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        • Author by Bobby Jindal fan (March 19, 2010 12:29 am ET)
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          Immigration has NOTHING to do with racism. This is a straw man and a red herring. Believing that people should follow our laws does not make one a racist. The illegals are called illegals for a reason. It is because they are illegal. This is not a difficult concept. They need to be deported.
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          • Author by Johaely (March 19, 2010 8:29 pm ET)
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            No, they are not "illegals" or "illegal", they are "illegal immigrants" or undocumented workers if that includes people who overstayed their visa or such. "Illegals" is a loaded fear-mongering term.
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        • Author by Johaely (March 19, 2010 8:11 pm ET)
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          No one on the "right wing" has ANYTHING against legal and lawful immigration. This country is largely a country of immigrants. Immigrants from all races and elasticities[sic]. My ancestors are immigrants....


          Well for starters there's Michelle Maglalang. You may not know who that is because that's her maiden name.
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      • Author by Bobby Jindal fan (March 19, 2010 12:31 am ET)
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        formed to fight the hate being spread by the far rw of the Republican Party.


        What hatred. I am the right wing of the Republican party and my desire that people follow the law is not based upon hatred of anybody - it is based on the desire to have law and order. Opposition to illegal immigration has NOTHING to do with race.
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        • Author by OTP (March 19, 2010 12:47 am ET)
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          Again, they would be much further ahead if they fought the hate spread by the likes of la raza.... Again, what "race" is la raza referring to? The la raza people are true racists....
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          • Author by SAR (March 19, 2010 11:04 am ET)
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            Great trick you have there by talking out of your ass. Have you considering joining a circus?

            From NCLR.org:

            Many people incorrectly translate our name, “La Raza,” as “the race.” While it is true that one meaning of “raza” in Spanish is indeed “race,” in Spanish, as in English and any other language, words can and do have multiple meanings. As noted in several online dictionaries, “La Raza” means “the people” or “the community.” Translating our name as “the race” is not only inaccurate, it is factually incorrect. “Hispanic” is an ethnicity, not a race. As anyone who has ever met a Dominican American, Mexican American, or Spanish American can attest, Hispanics can be and are members of any and all races.

            The term “La Raza” has its origins in early 20th century Latin American literature and translates into English most closely as “the people” or, according to some scholars, as “the Hispanic people of the New World.” The term was coined by Mexican scholar José Vasconcelos to reflect the fact that the people of Latin America are a mixture of many of the world’s races, cultures, and religions. Mistranslating “La Raza” to mean “the race” implies that it is a term meant to exclude others. In fact, the full term coined by Vasconcelos, “La Raza Cósmica,” meaning the “cosmic people,” was developed to reflect not purity but the mixture inherent in the Hispanic people. This is an inclusive concept, meaning that Hispanics share with all other peoples of the world a common heritage and destiny.

            And this is not just NCLR’s interpretation. According to the American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, “La Raza” means:

            “…Mexicans or Mexican Americans considered as a group, sometimes extending to all Spanish-speaking people of the Americas.”

            Furthermore, MSNBC’s online Spanish-English website, Encarta, translates the term this way:

            “Hispanic Spanish-speakers in the Americas: Mexicans, Mexican Americans, or Spanish-speaking people of the Americas, considered as a group.”

            The Free Dictionary, available online, similarly finds that the term “La Raza”:

            “…embodies the notion that traditional, exclusive concepts of race and nationality can be transcended in the name of humanity’s common destiny.”
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            • Author by congero6189599 (March 19, 2010 12:14 pm ET)
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              Yes SAR it's a conservative technique that they've mastered along with whistling dixie with their butt cheeks.
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            • Author by OTP (March 19, 2010 2:18 pm ET)
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              Well, I truly am amazed... It is true la raza, is typically translated the "the race" the alternative translation is "the people".... Truly I'm amazed anyone took the time to figure that out.... or read nclr.org, amazing but appreciated....

              Also noted, and thanks you for answering hispanic does NOT refer to a race but an ethnicity, regardless of race....

              So now that a leftard pointed this out, so that I can't be called a racist, tell me, how exactly is anti-ILLEGAL ALIEN considered far rw republican racism? or hate?

              anti-ILLEGAL ALIEN simply means WITHOUT regard to race or ethnicity, ILLEGAL ALIENS should return to their countries of origin, be it Ireland, GB, Canada, Mexico, Russia.....

              NONE of you have pointed out a SINGLE rw republican OR conservative that has specified ANY race or ethnicity.... DEFLECTION, SPIN, LIES and NO PROOF.....

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              • Author by congero6189599 (March 19, 2010 2:31 pm ET)
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                So you admit you were purposely distorting the meaning of La Raza to push your hate against them. What is racist about?I don't know if you consider Johhny Appleseed a conservative but read his screed above. Stop playing ignorant about the lack of racism in the nativist movement,it's full of white supremacist. look at the friction between Tom Tancredo and Dick Armey,look it up and see why Army sees Tancredo is dangerous for the tea-party movement it's not hard to find just google Tancredo and Armey.
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              • Author by congero6189599 (March 19, 2010 2:59 pm ET)
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                Are you blind this is from the article above:

                Right-wing rhetoric: Immigrant-rights marchers, immigrants are seeking to reclaim the Southwest for Mexico

                Right-wing rhetoric: Immigrant rights marchers are "racis[t]"

                Right-wing rhetoric: Pro-immigration marchers should be arrested or deported

                Right-wing rhetoric: Stoking fears over displays of the Mexican flag

                Right-wing rhetoric: Immigration is an "invasion"

                Right-wing rhetoric: U.S., Mexico are in a state of "war"

                Right-wing rhetoric: Immigrants are fundamentally altering American culture or way of life

                Right-wing rhetoric: Immigration reform is part of plot to institute "North American Union"

                The whole article points this out.

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    • Author by OTP (March 19, 2010 1:21 am ET)
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      How's that hopey-changy thing going for you??? beautiful, the second coming of jimmy carter, beautiful!!!
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      • Author by Bobby Jindal fan (March 19, 2010 1:41 am ET)
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        I disagree. BHO is far worse than Carter. It is unfair to Carter to make the comparison.
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        • Author by Pedro2 (March 19, 2010 10:54 am ET)
             
          Carter gave away the Panama Canal. What would BHO do to be far worse, give away Texas?

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        • Author by Porkeater (March 19, 2010 11:06 am ET)
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          I see you fellows found the echo room. Good on you. How do y'all feel about Russian "brides"? Hundreds of thousands of illegals in training being sold into the US via legal human trafficking? Okay because they do it "legally"? Are they fundamentally altering the face of America? Howcum your illegal immigration noisemakers don't go there i wonder. Or are the Russians different from Caribbean "brides", Indian "brides" or African "brides"?
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          • Author by Bobby Jindal fan (March 19, 2010 1:45 pm ET)
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            I do not care from where one comes. If they come here legally they are welcome - if they don't follow the law they are not. Their country of origin is irrelevent to me.
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            • Author by congero6189599 (March 19, 2010 1:52 pm ET)
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              Bobby exorcist fan who the hell cares what you got to say?
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              • Author by OTP (March 19, 2010 2:23 pm ET)
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                congero6189599 - probably as many as care what YOU have to say... How about you responding to the "issues" YOU brought up.....

                AGAIN - NONE of you have pointed out a SINGLE rw republican OR conservative that has specified ANY race or ethnicity.... DEFLECTION, SPIN, LIES and NO PROOF.....
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                • Author by congero6189599 (March 19, 2010 3:09 pm ET)
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                  All you need to do is read the article. Lou Dobbs, Tom Tancredo, Michelle Malkin, Faux Noise,Michael Savage I could go on but it's obvious your own racism is keeping you from seeing it but the article above names names or is it your contention these folks aren't republican or conservative?
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                  • Author by congero6189599 (March 19, 2010 3:24 pm ET)
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                    Maybe this article will interest you? Do you consider Dick Armey a conservative? How about Tom Tancredo? Anyway for your enjoyment:

                    DiggsDick Armey Calls Tancredo Destructive to Republicans on Immigration
                    By Heather Tuesday Mar 16, 2010 2:00pm

                    "...Who in the Republican Party was the genius that said that now that we have identified the fastest-growing voting demographic in America, let’s go out and alienate them? [...]

                    The Republican Party is the most naturally talented party at losing its natural constituents in the history of the world. This party was born with the emancipation proclamation and can’t get a black vote to save its life. How do they do that? Well, the same thing with the Hispanics. [...]"----Dick Armey






                    http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/dick-armey-calls-tancredo-destructive-republicans
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          • Author by OTP (March 19, 2010 2:18 pm ET)
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            I'm not sure what your point is.... ANY ILLEGAL process or procedure foreign "bride" or whatever, is just as bad as walking across the borders....

            NO ILLEGAL ALIEN regardless of how they come here, (and faux "brides" are ILLEGAL) are welcome. Those that want to enter and stay in the USA via legal processes (which I agree need to be reformed),

            Fundamentally changing the face of America.... Interesting, America has a continuous changing face and demographic.... It seems YOU are focused on a PART of the ILLEGAL ALIEN issue.... You need to understand that ILLEGAL ALIEN describes ANYONE in this country ILLEGALLY regardless or race or ethnicity....

            So,
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            • Author by Porkeater (March 19, 2010 2:35 pm ET)
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              You are quite wrong. Faux brides are absolutely legal. They marry and make households. It's the law that is an ass.
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              • Author by OTP (March 19, 2010 3:44 pm ET)
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                You are an absolute idiot.... It isn't legal for the express purpose of violating immigration laws... Further more, marrying an American does NOT make you eligible to stay as a permanent resident OR citizen....
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                • Author by OTP (March 19, 2010 3:45 pm ET)
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                  Lets just SUPPOSE it is legal, well then all the ILLEGAL ALIENS should try THAT path....
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                • Author by Porkeater (March 19, 2010 4:18 pm ET)
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                  Just so long as you aren't resorting to ad hominem attacks...
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        • Author by OTP (March 19, 2010 2:21 pm ET)
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          Sorry, none are worse than carter YET... BHO still has time to become a leader.... A leader that actually cares about the people instead of the unions and trial-lawyers....
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          • Author by congero6189599 (March 19, 2010 3:02 pm ET)
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            ummmmmm. Yea we all know the unions and trial lawyers control America...got anymore regurgitated talking points?
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            • Author by OTP (March 19, 2010 3:41 pm ET)
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              HOW about EXAMPLES, just ONE example of ANY far rw republican or conservative that has EVER mentioned race or hate or ethnicity regarding ILLEGAL ALIENS...

              YOU said it, YOU brought it up, so now BACK IT UP!!!! I know you CAN'T, so DIVERT, DEFLECT, SPIN and LIE SOME MORE.....

              PEOPLE, remember MAIN street, not lobbyist, unions and trial-lawyers....

              Regurgitated talking points, DEFLECT, DIVERT, SPIN and LIE same as always.......

              Exactly how have you backed up ANY of your assertions....

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              • Author by Bobby Jindal fan (March 19, 2010 3:44 pm ET)
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                far rw republican or conservative that has EVER mentioned race or hate or ethnicity regarding ILLEGAL ALIENS


                Not fair - you are using facts which will confuse them. When you hit them with facts their heads spin, and they resort to namecalling.
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                • Author by congero6189599 (March 19, 2010 3:56 pm ET)
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                  You are too funny! You wouldn't know a fact if it slapped you in the face.
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                • Author by OTP (March 19, 2010 4:25 pm ET)
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                  So, no takers on naming a far rw republican that has mentioned race or hate???? figures...

                  Bobby Jindal fan - I know, they can't do ANYTHING but DEFLECT, DIVERT, SPIN and LIE.... This site is so entertaining it's great.... I hear the same shills (sozo and dell to name a couple), spouting the same duhhhh! it's a "trollll", don't duh, feed da troll... unbelievable, never support the accusations except with mmfa talking points, which they probably get via e-mail three times a day, maybe four.....

                  I always look at this site when I need some mind numbing time.... The names and accusations are starting to wear thin... My favorite tho is duh!!! "teabagger".... I love it. Makes me wonder how they know so much about it, teabagged I guess.....
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                  • Author by Bobby Jindal fan (March 19, 2010 4:49 pm ET)
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                    They say I am mentally retarded, racist, a teenager, a troll, a liar, and a moron.

                    Lord help me when I make a typo - they are all over that. God for bid I ever spell the "teh" - I am obviously too "stoopid" to know the correct spelling of the.

                    They can't touch conservatives on substance, so namecalling is what suffices as a rebuttal. You are right - it is entertaining. Their ignorance and complete unwillingness to face reality never ceases amuse me.

                    They think this bill will cut the deficit. If that is not denying reality I don't know what is.
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                    • Author by congero6189599 (March 19, 2010 5:09 pm ET)
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                      BJ Fan still howling with laughter at your proof Obama didn't write his books. Whewwww an expert Sean Hannity provided!?!? What was her/his name again? You had even posted that many experts had said then when asked for proof came up with that Sean Hannity show. Hehehe...LOL.
                      Lets see what would you call someone who did what you did in that case? Ummmmmmm...liar,moron,trool,racist, mentally retarded,yep I think you covered it. Keep us laughing.
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                    • Author by mikehuck1976 (March 19, 2010 7:53 pm ET)
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                      "They say I am mentally retarded, racist, a teenager, a troll, a liar, and a moron." - BJ

                      Who is "they" BJ? Your doctors?
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                  • Author by congero6189599 (March 19, 2010 4:52 pm ET)
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                    You cons are a constant source of entertainment with your postings. You being the latest clown to bring a grin with your take me up challenge when the whole article provides you what you asked for. Hehehe...keep coming back I promise you I won't call you a trool or tea-bagger because the comedy you provide with your postings is far more entertaining and revealing of the republican mindset than anything I could write. You are a perfect example of what Dick Armey was talking about, highlighting the problems with your party and movment.

                    "...Who in the Republican Party was the genius that said that now that we have identified the fastest-growing voting demographic in America, let’s go out and alienate them? [...]

                    The Republican Party is the most naturally talented party at losing its natural constituents in the history of the world. This party was born with the emancipation proclamation and can’t get a black vote to save its life. How do they do that? Well, the same thing with the Hispanics. [...]"----Dick Armey

                    Remember keep em' laughing!!! HeHehe...


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                    • Author by OTP (March 19, 2010 5:39 pm ET)
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                      AGAIN, I've read the article AGAIN I don't see any mention of RACE or HATE or even dislike from tancredo, or anyone else....

                      WHY, because their message is the same,.. ILLEGAL ALIENS should be repatriated with their county of origin REGARDLESS of the COUNTRY, the RACE or the ETHNICITY.... You DON'T prove me wrong because you CAN'T... DEFLECT, DIVERT, SPIN and LIE....

                      You certainly are right about one thing, the republicans are LOUSY at persuading "natural constituents", Why? they are far less willing to lie and buy loyalty.... Believe me I have a lot of contempt for MANY republicans....

                      FINALLY - I DO appreciate that you have FINALLY engaged in a literate conversation.... Much of your last post IS accurate... I am still, however challenging you to PROVE you statements, not by referring me to the mmfa article, to untrustworthy....
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                      • Author by congero6189599 (March 19, 2010 5:44 pm ET)
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                        None so blind that they cannot see. Well at least you've drop your La Raza lie.
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                        • Author by OTP (March 19, 2010 6:00 pm ET)
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                          I don't have a la raza lie... I used la raza to illustrate how you generalize regarding far rw republicans... BUT see you want to have it both ways. A few "bad" apples in the la raza camp doesn't in fact make la raza bad or evil... Same as republicans, far rw or otherwise. Even if you COULD prove (which you can't) that republicans have put race or ethnicity up as an immigration issue, that doesn't mean the generalized "far rw republicans.................". Far to often MANY from the left, use that kind of innuendo to spin, deflect, divert spin and lie....

                          OK so lead the blind, PROVE your point instead of just repeating the same thing OVER and OVER....
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                  • Author by redrage (March 19, 2010 5:14 pm ET)
                       
                    Seriously, didn't you read the examples.

                    Michael Savage used "vermin" which is a creepy throwback to "The Eternal Jew" and other examples of Nazi propaganda.
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                  • Author by whatIthink (March 19, 2010 10:14 pm ET)
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                    Mr. Dobbs says he stands "100 percent behind" the claim that there have been 7,000 new cases of leprosy in the U.S. in recent years. What’s more, he has attributed part of the increase to "unscreened illegal immigrants."

                    The source for Dobbs’ outrageous leprosy claim is an anti-immigration zealot who once publicly stated that "most" Latino immigrant men molest girls under 12, although some specialize in boys, and some in nuns."


                    "Look at what has happened to Miami," the WorldNetDaily quotes Tancredo as saying in an interview. "It has become a Third World country. You just pick it up and take it and move it someplace. You would never know you're in the United States of America. You would certainly say you're in a Third World country."

                    "…..First, we should have a 'civics literacy test' before people are allowed to vote. Second, 'People who could not even spell the word vote or say it in English put a committed socialist ideologue in the White House whose name is Barack Hussein Obama.'"

                    Mark Krikorian of National Review, disgusted with people "[d]eferring" to Sotomayor over the "unnatural pronunciation" of her name.

                    "Asians should change their names to make them 'easier for Americans to deal with.'" Betty Brown

                    "Take that bone out of your nose and call me back(to an African American female caller) Limbaugh

                    "Republican lawmakers in Congress are sponsoring a bill that seeks to abolish birthright citizenship for children born in the United States to illegal immigrant parents" using the headline, "GOP Targets 'Anchor Babies.'" Several media outlets have identified the term "anchor babies" as, in the words of the Rocky Mountain News, "derogatory, even racist, because it implies that Hispanics are having children as a way to stay in the U.S."
                    Several media outlets have identified term as "derogatory," "pejorative".


                    "There's the new America for you. Bring them in by the millions. Bring in 10 million more from Africa. Bring them in with AIDS. Show how multicultural you are. They can't reason, but bring them in with a machete in their head. Go ahead. Bring them in with machetes in their mind." Savage

                    "The Democrat [sic] Party is the minority party. ... [Sen. Barack] Obama is a minority, a half minority at least. The membership is made up largely of minority blocs, the Hispanic caucus and the gay caucus -- caucuses that are all against the white person." Savage

                    "In 1960, whites were 90 percent of the country. The Census Bureau recently estimated that whites already account for less than two-thirds of the population and will be a minority by 2050. Other estimates put that day much sooner. One may assume the new majority will not be such compassionate overlords as the white majority has been. If this sort of drastic change were legally imposed on any group other than white Americans, it would be called genocide. Yet whites are called racists merely for mentioning the fact that current immigration law is intentionally designed to reduce their percentage in the population." Coulter

                    "I think there should be a literacy test and a poll tax for people to vote." Coulter





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              • Author by congero6189599 (March 19, 2010 3:52 pm ET)
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                I can't do your reading for you. The above article has a list and names names. I've pointed you to an article about Tom Tancredo and the rift with Dick Armey. The only person thats deflecting here is you, or maybe you agree with the above the sentiments of those quoted in the article in that case you are blinded by your own racism.
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                • Author by OTP (March 19, 2010 5:52 pm ET)
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                  Well tell me, or show me what is racist or hateful about ANY of the above.... I think you are projecting your own disdain for others.... tancredo is pretty far right, but I fail to see what it is he says that is racist or hateful... same with dobbs, probably a little extreme.

                  So lets assume they are in fact racist and hateful.... How does that have ANYTHING to do with the generalized statement "the far rw republicans"... Should I assume all of you far lw democrats are as ignorant and self serving as william ayers or jeramia wright? Of course not.... If you can identify racist or hateful things far rw republicans have said, I'll support you 100%, It's NOT an issue of ethnicity, race or country of origin.... It's an issue of being in America (USA) without permission, ILLEGALLY... period.....

                  IF there is someone from the far rw republican party that behaves in a racist or hateful wy well then I'd discount him or her just like I discount ayers and wright... pretty simple....
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                  • Author by OTP (March 19, 2010 6:08 pm ET)
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                    deflection, diversion, spin and lies..... That's when mmfa and the mmfa shills take a simple statement like
                    "ILLEGAL ALIENS should be repatriated with their countries of origin"....is DEFLECTED, DIVERTED, SPUN and LIED about, that it becomes racist and hateful....
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                    • Author by Johaely (March 19, 2010 8:33 pm ET)
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                      The simple fatc that it includes the loaded, racist/nativist term "Illegal Alien" makes it, well, racist.
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                      • Author by OTP (March 20, 2010 9:14 am ET)
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                        EXACTLY... and exactly what race would be the target...

                        ILLEGAL ALIENS come from MOST countries and are ALL races and ETHNICITY's.... DEFLECT, SPIN and LIE some more.....

                        Just point out where I said ILLEGAL ALIENS or "some" race should be sent home.... NOT!!!! ALL ILLEGAL ALIENS SHOULD BE SENT HOME!!!! You are a racist and a bigot....

                        What gives YOU the right to define the term ILLEGAL ALIEN as racist? DEFLECTION, SPIN and LIES same as always... FYI - ILLEGAL ALIENS are ALL races, EVERYONE that is in this country ILLEGALLY or without PERMISSION.... Never been anything different, never will be.... racist
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                        • Author by Johaely (March 20, 2010 10:40 am ET)
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                          Its a nativist loaded term. that's what makes it racist. AND TYPING IN ALL CAPS DOESN'T MAKE YOUR POINT GO THROUGH ANY BETTER.
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                          • Author by OTP (March 20, 2010 8:35 pm ET)
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                            YOU are a FOOL... It's a reality ILLEGAL ALIENS refers to ANYONE in the United States of America ILLEGALLY... You calling it racist, or "nativist" doesn't make it so.... ILLEGAL, means ILLEGAL... I am for anyone that wants to enter this country LEGALLY and make a place for themselves.... MY ancestors did it.... YOU ARE A RACIST!!!!

                            HOW stupid to call reality a "loaded term" it's a FACTUAL term.... If it had anything to do with "immigrants" they'd be here LEGALLY.... There is no more descriptive term.... If they were here LEGALLY they wouldn't be called ILLEGAL ALIENS but immigrants, or guests.... Both are legal and absolutely no issue....

                            I do believe we need comprehensive REAL immigration reform....

                            THE ALL CAPS ARE BE CAUSE YOU ARE SO DENSE!!!
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                            • Author by Johaely (March 21, 2010 11:29 am ET)
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                              Its not the illegal part that it's racist, its the ALIEN part. Why is it so hard to say illegal immigrant? why are they "Aliens".
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                          • Author by OTP (March 20, 2010 8:35 pm ET)
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                            YOU are a FOOL... It's a reality ILLEGAL ALIENS refers to ANYONE in the United States of America ILLEGALLY... You calling it racist, or "nativist" doesn't make it so.... ILLEGAL, means ILLEGAL... I am for anyone that wants to enter this country LEGALLY and make a place for themselves.... MY ancestors did it.... YOU ARE A RACIST!!!!

                            HOW stupid to call reality a "loaded term" it's a FACTUAL term.... If it had anything to do with "immigrants" they'd be here LEGALLY.... There is no more descriptive term.... If they were here LEGALLY they wouldn't be called ILLEGAL ALIENS but immigrants, or guests.... Both are legal and absolutely no issue....

                            I do believe we need comprehensive REAL immigration reform....

                            THE ALL CAPS ARE BE CAUSE YOU ARE SO DENSE!!!
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                            • Author by congero6189599 (March 20, 2010 8:56 pm ET)
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                              I find it dishonest how you jump from one argument to the other. You issue challenges and hurl accusations then when refuted instead of acknowledging it you simply move on. That is not an honest form of debate and says alot about you. Dick Armeys critque of your movement and party seemed to be reaffirmed again today at the tea-party protest. Afro-American representatives of congress were spat on and called the n-word but I guess you'd call that not catering to those people and sticking to principals. Sort of like your immigration stand.
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                  • Author by Johaely (March 19, 2010 8:35 pm ET)
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                    All you need to do is read the article. Lou Dobbs, Tom Tancredo, Michelle Malkin, Faux Noise,Michael Savage I could go on but it's obvious your own racism is keeping you from seeing it but the article above names names or is it your contention these folks aren't republican or conservative?
                    -Congero


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              • Author by whatIthink (March 19, 2010 10:32 pm ET)
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                "The Race" thrives on ethnic supremacy -- and the elite sheeple's unwillingness to call it what it is. As historian Victor Davis Hanson observes: "[The] organization's very nomenclature 'The National Council of La Raza' is hate speech to the core. Despite all the contortions of the group, Raza (as its Latin cognate suggests) reflects the meaning of 'race' in Spanish, not 'the people' -- and that's precisely why we don't hear of something like 'The National Council of the People,' which would not confer the buzz notion of ethnic, racial and tribal chauvinism." Malkin

                "The Race" sponsors militant ethnic nationalist charter schools subsidized by your public tax dollars (at least $8 million in federal education grants). The schools include Aztlan Academy in Tucson, Ariz., the Mexicayotl Academy in Nogales, Ariz., Academia Cesar Chavez Charter School in St. Paul, Minn., and La Academia Semillas del Pueblo in Los Angeles, whose principal inveighed: "We don't want to drink from a White water fountain, we have our own wells and our natural reservoirs and our way of collecting rain in our aqueducts. We don't need a White water fountain … ultimately the White way, the American way, the neo liberal, capitalist way of life will eventually lead to our own destruction." Malkin



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                • Author by OTP (March 20, 2010 9:07 am ET)
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                  So this is Malkin quoting from where, la raza??? seems kind of hateful and "racist" of the la raza folks to me.... OH, she's taking it out of context, OH she's pointing out the verbage a just a few.... DEFLECT, SPIN and LIE... go for it....
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                  • Author by congero6189599 (March 20, 2010 11:44 am ET)
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                    Hehe...did you miss WT post to you above? He provided you the quotes I've been asking you to read from the article. It's clear your racism and support for the statements is what is blinding you. I don't agree with Dick Armey ever but in this case your racist policies are what is alienating you from the latin community.
                    But I don't want to detract from the challenge you issued:
                    Mr. Dobbs says he stands "100 percent behind" the claim that there have been 7,000 new cases of leprosy in the U.S. in recent years. What’s more, he has attributed part of the increase to "unscreened illegal immigrants."

                    The source for Dobbs’ outrageous leprosy claim is an anti-immigration zealot who once publicly stated that "most" Latino immigrant men molest girls under 12, although some specialize in boys, and some in nuns."

                    "Look at what has happened to Miami," the WorldNetDaily quotes Tancredo as saying in an interview. "It has become a Third World country. You just pick it up and take it and move it someplace. You would never know you're in the United States of America. You would certainly say you're in a Third World country."

                    "…..First, we should have a 'civics literacy test' before people are allowed to vote. Second, 'People who could not even spell the word vote or say it in English put a committed socialist ideologue in the White House whose name is Barack Hussein Obama.'"

                    Mark Krikorian of National Review, disgusted with people "[d]eferring" to Sotomayor over the "unnatural pronunciation" of her name.

                    "Asians should change their names to make them 'easier for Americans to deal with.'" Betty Brown

                    "Take that bone out of your nose and call me back(to an African American female caller) Limbaugh

                    "Republican lawmakers in Congress are sponsoring a bill that seeks to abolish birthright citizenship for children born in the United States to illegal immigrant parents" using the headline, "GOP Targets 'Anchor Babies.'" Several media outlets have identified the term "anchor babies" as, in the words of the Rocky Mountain News, "derogatory, even racist, because it implies that Hispanics are having children as a way to stay in the U.S."
                    Several media outlets have identified term as "derogatory," "pejorative".

                    "There's the new America for you. Bring them in by the millions. Bring in 10 million more from Africa. Bring them in with AIDS. Show how multicultural you are. They can't reason, but bring them in with a machete in their head. Go ahead. Bring them in with machetes in their mind." Savage

                    "The Democrat [sic] Party is the minority party. ... [Sen. Barack] Obama is a minority, a half minority at least. The membership is made up largely of minority blocs, the Hispanic caucus and the gay caucus -- caucuses that are all against the white person." Savage

                    "In 1960, whites were 90 percent of the country. The Census Bureau recently estimated that whites already account for less than two-thirds of the population and will be a minority by 2050. Other estimates put that day much sooner. One may assume the new majority will not be such compassionate overlords as the white majority has been. If this sort of drastic change were legally imposed on any group other than white Americans, it would be called genocide. Yet whites are called racists merely for mentioning the fact that current immigration law is intentionally designed to reduce their percentage in the population." Coulter

                    "I think there should be a literacy test and a poll tax for people to vote." Coulter


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              • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (March 20, 2010 7:57 am ET)
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                HOW about EXAMPLES, just ONE example of ANY far rw republican or conservative that has EVER mentioned race or hate or ethnicity regarding ILLEGAL ALIENS...


                Republicans speak code to their base, using words like "states rights", a wink and a node for those southern whites who still long for the days Jim Crow.

                And then there Tom Tancredo speaking to a screaming crowd of teabagging loonies, suggesting literacy test for voters, a return to the Jim Crows laws that used to prevent Black folks from voting. Blaming the election of President Obama on the "cult of multiculturalism" and "people who could not even spell the word 'vote' or say it in English".

                Once in a while, the truth gets the better of Republicans, like Trent Lott, publicly expressing his desire for the days of segregation to his good old Dixicrat buddy Strum Thurmond, who ran for President as a Dixicrat.



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                • Author by MiniTru (March 20, 2010 3:15 pm ET)
                     
                  Thurmond ran for President as head of the Segregationist Party, not as a Dixiecrat.
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                  • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (March 20, 2010 4:24 pm ET)
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                    Thurmond ran for President as head of the Segregationist Party, not as a Dixiecrat.


                    FYI: The States Rights Democratic party, commonly known as the Dixicrats was a short lived segregationist, socially conservative political party.
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    • Author by zamfir273114 (March 20, 2010 1:06 am ET)
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      Why would anyone that pledges allegiance to the United States of America be offended by the burning of a Mexican flag? I am Irish and French and if people burn the flag of Ireland and France I could care less. Maybe because these illegals do not pledge allegiance and the country that supports them? You know, the U.S.A?
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    • Author by Space-Pedestrian (March 20, 2010 9:35 pm ET)
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      Illegals are a huge drain on the country and amnesty is the wrong precedent to set. Stop being so easily offended and look at the facts. Laws are laws.
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