No "racial slurs"? Wash. Times tea partier apparently can't read his own sign
In an article noting reported racial epithets shouted at Democratic officials during a recent Washington, D.C., tea party protest, The Washington Times quoted Dale Robertson, founder of teaparty.org, as saying that Democrats are "trying to label the tea party, but I've never seen any racial slurs." However, Robertson himself was reportedly kicked out of a 2009 tea party event at which he carried a sign reading, "Congress = Slaveowner, Taxpayer = Niggar [sic]."
Wash. Times quotes tea party activist Dale Robertson as saying, "I've never seen any racial slurs" at tea party events
Times quotes Robertson as saying that Democrats are "trying to label the tea party, but I've never seen any racial slurs." In a March 26 article reporting that "[t]ea partiers moved to distance themselves from the racial and homophobic attacks" against Democrats, The Washington Times' Joseph Curl reported that "Dale Robertson, founder of teaparty.org, said no one knows who might have yelled out racial epithets during" a recent Capitol Hill tea party protest. Curl later quoted Robertson as saying, "These people could be anybody. I wouldn't put it past the Democrats to plant somebody there. ... They're trying to label the tea party, but I've never seen any racial slurs." From the article:
Tea partiers moved to distance themselves from the racial and homophobic attacks. Organizers of several Florida tea party groups said in a statement that they "stand in stark opposition to any person using derogatory characterizations, threats of violence or disparaging terms toward members of Congress or the president."
At least 10 reports by congressional Democrats said they were harassed this week after voting for the health care bill. Congressional offices in New York, Arizona and Kansas were vandalized, and several Democrats reported obscenity-laced phone messages.
But Dale Robertson, founder of teaparty.org, said no one knows who might have yelled out racial epithets during the Capitol Hill protest. He said a Democratic lawmaker refused to accompany Capitol Police officers to identify a white man accused of spitting.
"These people could be anybody. I wouldn't put it past the Democrats to plant somebody there," Mr. Robertson said. "They're trying to label the tea party, but I've never seen any racial slurs."
However, Robertson was reportedly kicked out of tea party event for carrying sign with racial slur
Washington Independent reported that Robertson was kicked out of 2009 Houston tea party event for carrying sign with racial slur. The Washington Independent's David Weigel reported on January 4 that "Dale Robertson, a Tea Party activist who operates TeaParty.org, is getting stung for an old photo -- taken at the Feb. 27, 2009 Tea Party in Houston -- in which he holds a sign reading 'Congress = Slaveowner, Taxpayer = Niggar.' " Weigel also reported that "Josh Parker of the Houston Tea Party Society tells me that Robertson was booted out of the event for this sign." Weigel included the following picture:
USA Today: Robertson "does not deny carrying the sign." A February 4 USA Today article reported that Robertson "was repudiated by the Houston Tea Party Society after being photographed holding up a sign with a racial epithet. He does not deny carrying the sign."
Maybe these creepy critters is blind, as well as dumb...
Eyewitness testimony is certainly evidence, no disagreement there.
But I do wonder if it were Republicans being attacked if you & other Libs might be less apt to accept this as evidence. Or would you be saying without any video or audio proof, it was not conclusive evidence?
This just in:
Bullet That Struck Cantor's Office Appears to Have Been Randomly Fired
AP
A bullet that hit a window in Republican U.S. Rep. Eric Cantor's office building appears to have been fired randomly into the air, police said Thursday.
Source: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/03/26/bullet-struck-cantors-office-appears-randomly-fired/
That said, I think it's irrefutable that the right wing has shown their belligerence during last summer's town hall meetings.
But thanks for the unfair and unwarranted personal attack, alleging that you have ANY reason to assume that I'd be as unfair as rightwingers are if given the chance.
But I should have known better. I'll NEVER make that mistake again Sue.
You made THIS statement, a supposition that had NO basis in reality, and had NOTHING to do with the assertion that Rush and others made that claimed that there was NO evidence. As I explained to you, it was NEVER about "conclusive evidence". As I documented above.
But I do wonder if it were Republicans being attacked if you & other Libs might be less apt to accept this as evidence. Or would you be saying without any video or audio proof, it was not conclusive evidence?
Oh, and I'm not Sue, never have been, but thanks for pointing out that you don't shy away from ANY baseless personal attack.
And since you DIDN'T make the "mistake" this time of really being polite, I'm not quivering in my boots at your assertion that you'll NEVER make that mistake again. If you think that anyone with half a brain thinks that your statement was "polite" and wasn't a personal attack in saying that we on the left would behave as poorly as folks in the rightwing DEMONSTRABLY have, you're looney.
You are pathetic....dully, pathetic.... all you are interested in is hearing or reading your left-wing agreeable nutters.... You folks are so content to pat each other on the back, and count "thumbs up" that you can't deal with reality.... ANY ONE that you deam "conservative" REGARDLESS of what they say is a troll, idiot liar.... It's all PROJECTION.... DEFLECT, DIVERT, SPIN and lie some dully!!!!
I can't agree about most of the other Lib posters here. They are for the most part, pretty fair & reasonable.
And Jeter, I'm not going to accept the word of any one person alone as 'proof' of anything. But there are patterns of behaviour and those play a part in analyzing what is and isn't credible. It's not hard to believe that protesters who carry signs like those below would call black congress people the N-word or Barney Frank that other slur.
Were the roles reversed, I would be just as critical.
I also don't lump all in the Tea Bag movement in with the fringe nutjobs. And do think that the Right should call those folks out for what they are, & condemn their actions.
Were the roles reversed, I would be just as critical.
Thank you for your honesty. That's all I wanted DellDolly to answer, but she had a hissy fit instead.
She is losing it. She is detached from reality or the most hypocritical lying phony I have ever heard of. Yet she clings to her fantasy, despite the mountain of evidence she displays here with each and every post.
A piece of work.
But thanks for showing everyone that YOU will still go off half-cocked when it has to do with me.
You're the one who has shown the pattern of having knee-jerk reactions to things that you sometimes later walk back and sometimes just avoid. If I wanted to waste time, I could find at least 3 times when you've done an Emily Latella "sorry, never mind". And I can't count the times you insisted that BJF, a troll if there ever was, wrote a couple of things that he never wrote. He DID lie a couple of times, and IN YOUR DEFENSE, I posted those lies, and as far as I've seen, you've NEVER admitted that he was right about those false accusations from you.
BTW progressive is progress toward WHAT exactly....
At various points in history, voting rights for women, establishment of basic workplace safety standards, child labor laws, desegregation, getting lead out of Earth's atmosphere, and making it so that you can't fire someone because they're gay. I'm anxious to know which of those you think is some kind of atrocity.
And if "teabagger" and "wing-nut" sit poorly with you, bear in mind that this IS a liberal board. Coming in here and being insulting yourself isn't likely to make people here think more highly of the other side.
Get real!! You must be a DellDolly disciple!!
Funny,until THIS thread I've never seen any Liberal here complain about "Lib"...& certainly no Conservative kick up a fuss about "Con"
"Libs" & "Cons" are abbreviations used fairly commonly at this site by both Liberals/Conservatives when referring to themselves or the other side with no insult intended. If you're a newbie here, you probably don't know that.
The abbreviation "Dem" is also often used. Does that insult you too? Hey it's better than "Repug" which is used here quite frequently by Democrats ;-)
You implied he said that it wasn't evidence.
He was asking a question, not claiming that Democrats would have acted the same way.
And then you called him a liar?
You're way out of bounds here. And if you're wondering where the thumbs down came from. It's from me.
But jeter2?? Come on, there was not one disrespectful aspect whatsoever in his post. Yet she called it a personal attack and then called him a liar. Unbelievable.
But I do wonder if it were Republicans being attacked if you & other Libs might be less apt to accept this as evidence. Or would you be saying without any video or audio proof, it was not conclusive evidence?
It wasn't polite since it implied something that had NOTHING whatsoever to do with ANYTHING I'd ever posted.
He made a supposition that had NO basis in reality. That's not the behavior of a polite person. Polite people don't behave that way.
He WAS a liar. I didn't just "call" him a liar. I pointed out WHERE he was lying. I am baffled as to why you don't understand the difference, but there is a significant difference.
And I don't care if you thumb down EVERY post from me for the rest of our times here at MMFA. Feel free.
Apparently you're still snowed by Jeter's posts and believe he deserves credibility that he clearly does not. It's too bad that you're under such delusions, but that's your choice.
There are far too many conservatives who come here with intractable positions and who only post to annoy and inflame. Jeter isn't one of them.
And if it's your plan for our side to win by our arrogance, then I don't want to be on the winning side. Unless we build bridges and work out our differences with our opponents who are willing to listen there's no hope.
And for that, you say I'm delusional. That's great. I've respected you and your comments in the past. Never got involved in your personal problems with others and sided with you more often than not.
Thanks for granting me the freedom to give you a thumbs down for EVERY one of your posts in the future.
Instead,I think Ill just choose to ignore you.
What DellDolly fails to understand, is that civil/polite discourse, even between political opponents, is far more productive than name-calling.
I've had my run-ins with DD in the past, & I've always given back as good as I got from her. If she insists on personal attacks, I have & will fire back.
But I think I'm gonna try to follow your example, & just ignore her.
Careful, DellDolly will post that you go off "half-cocked" simply because you disagree with her. Any comment that is disagreement with hers is a) a "troll post" and as such, should not be "fed," or b) a personal attack. She, of course, is exempt from those rules.
Please, keep it up.
DellDolly, YOU are wayyyy outta of line! There was nothing in Jeter's post that attacked you in ANY way.
YOU need to take a chill pill!
You're a sight for sore eyes!! :-)
Wow it has been awhile since I've seen you. I did leave the forum for a bit, but have been back for a few months, I just don't post all that often, & when I do it's mostly just over at the MMtv section. I wander over here only occasionally. How about you? I hadn't seen you either & figured you'd left. Maybe we just keep missing each other...there are so many threads!! Ha!
Thanks for defending me here. Hey I've gotten into a few fights over the years, but I always try to be civil first & foremost.
This time was probably my fault for even thinking if I was polite, DellDolly might reciprocate. I won't try that again ;-)
Hope to catch ya on the threads more often.
I usually scroll down when posters are fighting, but I read your post and Dell's response and could not, for the life of me, understand why Dell was ranting.
I really miss the old Friday happy hour, which was another reason I responded to Dell. As Liberals and Conservatives, we haven't always agreed, but you've always been a fair and decent guy.
Oh, and since you missed last Friday, make that 2 boxes of wine ;-)
Two boxes of wine for you!!
And thank you for those nice words, you are a sweetheart :-)
No one who disagrees with repugnicans are aloud within miles of them!
Btw, America see these Conservatives, Right-wingers, and Tea Partiers will "LIE" at the drop of a hat when their "wrong-doings" are exposed. Hmmm, those nasty little FACTS (tapes, photos, etc.) gets in the way everytime. Uh, oh. LOL.
A few weeks ago, in another forum, someone was trying to defend Robertson arguing that he was misspelling the old Norse word which is what is on the sign with "dly" at the end. It means stingy or extremely frugal. It was funny seeing him turn logic into knots trying to apply that word's meaning to Robertson's sign.
My first attempt to post this was blocked as profanity by MMFA because I spelled out that old Norse word. My second attempt was blocked for the same reason when I just tried to link to the Wikipedia entry for that old Norse word. It was contained in the link. I wonder if MMFA has now cited me for terms of use violations when it's their profanity filter that's flawed.
The guy tried to argue that Robertson was trying to say that Congress was enslaving taxpayers who were trying to be frugal. Yeah, I know, it's pathetically weak, but that was the defense.
I'd say that if his "excuse" was true then he would have photoshopped in the correct word way back then.
but sadly, this is what you get when allowing the kind of rhetoric the right has been pumping, this was only a matter of time before it would happen.
Who should be inducted first -- Robertson or the Washington Times?
Who should be inducted first -- Robertson or the Washington Times?
answer: The Washington Times, because media matters to America.
That is the picture that Robertson put on a teabagger website. He Photoshopped the original before he put it there. He knew that his original was blatantly racist.
Is he the man or the animal?
Man, they're insidious...
You do know I'm kidding, right?
In this case, it doesn't work that well.
...Of course, the alternative is that he's just that ridiculously stupid, and can't spell.
Dang...
Can't decice...
Is there an all of the above option?
Because nutjob congressman like King and Bachman egg them on. It justifies their hatred and racism.
Could be right now undercover videos olr recordings (less convincing) are being made kinda like Faux News' ACORN. Thinking of doing it myself, but I may have too much of a profile to avoid detection. But it's probably coming. These are not very smart people, should be easy to do.
To answer your question, though: America. We are not a Marxist country, just run by Marxist people.
There's some nice Orwellian speak for you. Marxists! Good grief.
So far in my questioning, you have only been able to mention one country on the planet, which is not 'Marxist.' The United States, which you say is Run by 'Marxists.'
I then asked you how many people are 'Marxist' in the US, in your opinion. You said 37.2%. Whatever you believe the actual percentage to be, the higher the number, the more percieved political 'enemies' you have, wouldn't you say? So honestly, how many people do you think are Marxists in the 'United States?' These are pretty simple questions.
Sure, but that's just an aside to the point of the article. The Washington Times used him as a spokesperson for the teabaggers, actually quoting him as saying "... I've never seen any racial slurs." He had the gall to say that after using a racial slur himself.
The Times is the target of this article, not the teabaggers. His position with them is a completely separate issue for debate, which MMFA and (I think) we posters haven't discussed.
there is no racism here, these aren't the signs your looking for
move along
Fox said something like ..We should not pass healtcare reform so seniors would not be put to death by their government!Sounds like firing squads are getting ready!Even a legitimate concern for rationing healthcare should not be framed like that!!
With sincere apologies to Edie Brickell and The New Bohemians.
1. The sign robertson carries is certainly racist and biggoted... Yes this is PROOF
2. BUT when harry reid said "he's light skinned and only speaks in a "negro" dialect when he wants too" regarding President Obama, all you folks did was DENY, DEFLECT, DIVERT, SPIN and LIE about harry being a RACIST...
3. Lets not forget the "esteemed" robert byrd belonging to the kkk, we're not talking about the boy scouts here, we're talkig about the murdering, racist, anti-black kkk.... You know folks DEDICATED to the segrigation and destruction of this country... that's right the kkk....
Both got a pass from mmfa, the mmfa shills(paid like dully, or otherwise)....
WHILE we're talking about racist bogots, did anyone on mmfa ever comment on the racist bigots jeramia wright, of louise farrakhan.... Only DEFENSE, DIVERSION, DEFLECTION, SPIN and LIES.... so give it up.....
Today, would you say the KKK is predominantly republic or Democratic leaning?
Byrd fully and completely renounced his past associations with the KKK. He followed that up with actions supported that renunciation. That's why he had huge support from African Americans in West Virginia in his last several elections. I, personally, probably wouldn't have accepted his renunciation when he gave it, but the WV voters did and he followed through on it. He walked the walk as well as talking the talk. Had he continued to act in a racist matter he likely wouldn't have survived as a Democrat. But he didn't.
I don't recall MMFA ever defending Farrakhan. Do you have an example? The only defense I recall of Wright was when there were lies told about him, and there were many of those.
Recap: Robertson - Clearly, unashamedly and unrepentantly racist. Reid - not racist. Byrd - repentantly put his racist past behind him and followed through with it for decades. Wright and Farrakhan - irrelevant to the discussion.
You failed.
So, to recap: Robertson purposely made his comments to be derogatory and insulting while Reid was basically praising Obama for who he is.
Besides, you are forgetting that your party has historically been the stronger opponent of civil rights laws. For example, the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965 were both passed with far greater Republican than Democratic support (viewed as a percentage). A similar situation occurred with the 19th Amendment, where the Congressional vote in favor was led by Republicans (again, viewed as a percentage). Add to this the fact that a Republican ended slavery in this country. The Democratic party claims: "On every civil rights issue, Democrats have led the fight." (http://www.democrats.org/a/national/civil_rights/) This claim is simply not true with regard to the most critical civil rights advances. In reality Republicans have led the charge to civil rights. The only reason Democrats now get the upper hand on this issue is that they promise special advantages for people who are "disadvantaged" by their skin color, etc., which is aptly termed reverse discrimination or simply another form of racism. In fact, therefore, one could easily argue the Democrats haven't changed at all but have simply gone underground: they're wolves in sheeps' clothing.