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"You need to riot": Right-wing uses violent rhetoric

March 26, 2010 12:51 pm ET — 98 Comments

In the wake of reported threats on Democratic officials due to their health care votes, Media Matters for America takes a look back at the right-wing media's history of violent rhetoric.

Right-wing media figures call for "riots" and  "revolution" and use other violent rhetoric

Right-wing blogger: People should "have a swing at" lawmakers "if you're willing to do the time." In a March 24 post on his blog, Confederate Yankee, Bob Owens wrote:

No matter what you think of Obamacare and the craven ideologues that passed it, is totally unacceptable to threaten their relatives or friends and put them in danger.

Go to your Congressman's office and scream at him in the most colorful language possible. Hang him in effigy at protests. If you're willing to do the time for the crime, have a swing at him.

Better yet, throw a shoe... after all, the left values such behavior as a form of "vigorous dissent," and will no doubt ask for any charges against you to be dropped.

Perhaps one day stronger action will be required if Progressives continue to trample on our liberties in their blind quest for power. But that time is not now.

At this time, I suspect Shikha Dalmia's call for massive civil disobedience is the correct path. Show your anger. Make sure those who have trampled your liberties are stuck down by ballots. With your help, the Democratic Party's assault on the Republic can be undone.

The right way.

Owens: "Jackasses" who call health care a right "deserve to be drawn and quartered." From Owens' Twitter account:

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Palin: "Don't Retreat, Instead - RELOAD!" Fox News contributor Sarah Palin posted a list of House Democrats who voted for health care reform with crosshairs aimed at their locations. In a March 23 tweet about her map, Palin wrote: " 'Don't Retreat, Instead -- RELOAD!' " Palin's list was criticized by conservative Elizabeth Hasselbeck, who introduced and endorsed Palin during the 2008 campaign, as helping foster a climate of violent rhetoric. Hasselbeck added that the list is "purely despicable" and "insane."

Huckabee: Members of Congress "should be tarred and feathered as the original tea partiers would have done." As RightWingWatch.org noted, Fox News host Mike Huckabee said of members of Congress in January:

HUCKABEE: Every member of Congress knows in his gut what's in the people's interest and what's in K Street's interest. If you think your real boss is some smug guy in a corner office with his Gucci loafers up on a mahogany deck and not the folks back home, those folks who voted for you, who gave you 25 or 50 hard-earned bucks, who put up yard signs and made calls for you, you deserve to lose. Shame on you, you shouldn't just be fired, you should be tarred and feathered as the original tea partiers would have done. That's my view and I welcome yours.

Morris: "Those crazies in Montana who say, 'We're going to kill ATF agents because the U.N.'s going to take over' -- well, they're beginning to have a case." During a long conspiracy theory about a "super-national authority" that will oversee U.S. financial institutions, Fox News contributor Dick Morris asserted that because President Obama's policies are "internationalist ... [t]hose crazies in Montana who say, 'We're going to kill ATF agents because the U.N.'s going to take over' -- well, they're beginning to have a case." [Fox News' Your World with Neil Cavuto, 3/31/09]

Erickson: "At what point do the people ... march down to their state legislator's house, pull him outside, and beat him to a bloody pulp?" In a March 31, 2009, post on RedState.com discussing a Washington county's ban on certain kinds of dishwasher detergent, Erick Erickson wrote: "At what point do the people tell the politicians to go to hell? At what point do they get off the couch, march down to their state legislator's house, pull him outside, and beat him to a bloody pulp for being an idiot?" Later in the post, Erickson added: "Were I in Washington State, I'd be cleaning my gun right about now waiting to protect my property from the coming riots or the government apparatchiks coming to enforce nonsensical legislation."

Savage: "We're going to have a revolution in this country"; "These people are pushing the wrong people around." Michael Savage discussed multiculturalism and predicted: "This is not going to go on in this country much longer. We're going to have a revolution in this country if this keeps up. These people are pushing the wrong people around." Savage further said that "the rage has reached a boil. If they keep pushing us around, and if we keep having these schmucks running for office catering to the multicultural people who are destroying the culture of this country ... guaranteed the people -- the white male in particular." [Talk Radio Network's The Savage Nation, 8/21/09]

Stossel said he has "Barney Frank in effigy" hanging above his sofa. In a February 3 interview with New York magazine, when Fox Business host John Stossel was asked, "What's hanging above your sofa?" he responded: "Barney Frank in effigy." [New York, 2/3/10]

Beck portrays Obama, Democrats as vampires, suggests "driv[ing] a stake through the heart of the bloodsuckers." Beck aired a graphic portraying Obama and Democrats as vampires and said, "The government is full of vampires, and they are trying to suck the lifeblood out of the economy." Beck then suggested "driv[ing] a stake through the heart of the bloodsuckers." [Glenn Beck, 3/30/09]

Beck talks about "put[ting] poison" in Pelosi's wine. Beck stated:

BECK: So, Speaker Pelosi, I just wanted to -- you gonna drink your wine? Are you blind? Do those eyes not work? There you -- I want you to drink it now. Drink it. Drink it. Drink it.

I really just wanted to thank you for having me over here to wine country. You know, to be invited, I thought I had to be a major Democratic donor or a longtime friend of yours, which I'm not.

By the way, I put poison in your -- no, I -- I look forward to all the policy discussions that we're supposed to have -- you know, on health care, energy reform, and the economy. [Glenn Beck 8/6/09]

Beck: "To the day I die, I am going to be a progressive hunter." Telling his listeners that they "are going to learn so much on Friday," Beck compared himself to "Israeli Nazi hunters" and commented, "I'm going to find these big progressives and, to the day I die, I'm going to be a progressive hunter." He added:

BECK: I'm going to find these people that have done this to our -- you know, to our country, and expose them. I don't care where -- I don't care if they're in nursing homes. I'm going to expose what they have done and make sure that the people understand, because our Constitution, our republic -- if it survives -- it will only survive because the people are waking up and through the grace of God, because we are that close to losing our republic. [Premiere Radio Networks' The Glenn Beck Program, 1/20/10]

Beck: "Grab a torch." Asserting that politicians are addicted to spending, Beck stated: "When do we ever run those who are bankrupting our country and literally stealing our children's future out of town? Grab a torch." [Glenn Beck, 1/6/10]

Beck speaks for one third of the nation: "[Y]ou will have to shoot me in the forehead before you take away my gun" and "before I acquiesce and be silent." During the July 30, 2009, edition of his radio show, Beck warned "ACORN, GE, Obama, SEIU" that "you are awakening a sleeping giant, and I have nothing to do with it" and that "America is waking up. You know the American Revolution took place with 12 percent of the population? Twelve. Are you telling me there is not 30 percent of this population that you will have to shoot me in the forehead before I let somebody into my house to tell me how to raise my children; you will have to shoot me in the forehead before you take away my gun; you will have to shoot me in the forehead before I acquiesce and be silent."

Beck: "There is a coup going on. There is a stealing of America." On his radio show, Beck stated that "there is a revolution, and they think they can get away with it quietly." Beck further claimed: "At this point, gang, I'm not sure, they may be able to because they are so far ahead of us. They know what they're dealing against; most of America does not yet. Most of America doesn't have a clue as to what's going on. There is a coup going on. There is a stealing of America, and the way it is done, it has been done through the -- the guise of an election, but they lied to us the entire time." He also said, "And they're gonna say, 'we did it democratically,' and they are going to grab power every way they can. And God help us in an emergency." [The Glenn Beck Program, 8/31/09]

Beck pours gasoline on "average American," asks, "President Obama, why don't you just set us on fire?" On his Fox News program, Beck claimed to be imitating Obama while pouring liquid from a gasoline can -- which he later stated was water -- on an "average American." Beck said during his demonstration: "President Obama, why don't you just set us on fire? ... We didn't vote to lose the republic." [Glenn Beck, 4/9/09]

Newsmax columnist Perry asserts Obama "is inviting" a "[m]ilitary intervention." John Perry wrote: "There is a remote, although gaining, possibility America's military will intervene as a last resort to resolve the 'Obama problem.' Don't dismiss it as unrealistic." He added:

Will the day come when patriotic general and flag officers sit down with the president, or with those who control him, and work out the national equivalent of a "family intervention," with some form of limited, shared responsibility?

Imagine a bloodless coup to restore and defend the Constitution through an interim administration that would do the serious business of governing and defending the nation. Skilled, military-trained, nation-builders would replace accountability-challenged, radical-left commissars. Having bonded with his twin teleprompters, the president would be detailed for ceremonial speech-making.

Military intervention is what Obama's exponentially accelerating agenda for "fundamental change" toward a Marxist state is inviting upon America. A coup is not an ideal option, but Obama's radical ideal is not acceptable or reversible. [Newsmax.com, 9/29/09]

Quinn calls for "riots": "Our country was built on revolution, and it's about time we took it back." Discussing health care reform, Jim Quinn stated, "You have got to say no to this, and if they push this through, you need to riot in the streets. You need to riot in the streets." He further said, "Our country was built on revolution and it's about time we took it back. These people are dangerous," and, "It's about time to put an end to this leftist control of this country, and if a revolution is what it takes, damn it, then that's what it's going to take, because liberty will not be denied." [The War Room with Quinn and Rose, 9/10/09]

Chuck Norris: "[W]ill history need to record a second American Revolution?" In his March 9, 2009, column for WorldNetDaily, actor and political activist Chuck Norris wrote: "How much more will Americans take? When will enough be enough? And, when that time comes, will our leaders finally listen or will history need to record a second American Revolution? We the people have the authority according to America's Declaration of Independence." Norris also wrote, "On Glenn Beck's radio show last week, I quipped in response to our wayward federal government, 'I may run for president of Texas.' That need may be a reality sooner than we think."

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    • Author by southerngal (March 26, 2010 1:01 pm ET)
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      Palin's is by far the most sickening and disturbing.

      The woman nearly was our vice president. No matter what Obama does in his term as president, or how much I disagree with some of his policies, I am reminded of who would have been a heartbeat away from leading this country had he not been elected. For that, I sincerely thank everyone who voted for Obama/Biden.

      There are no words to describe how contemptuous this woman is.
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      • Author by bintx (March 26, 2010 1:03 pm ET)
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        Amen. I could have possibly voted for McCain, but once Palin was on board, not a chance.
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        • Author by magnolialover (March 26, 2010 1:06 pm ET)
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          I could have possibly voted for the OLD John McCain, the one that actually seemed to be a maverick, but the incarnation that ran in 2008, not so much.
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          • Author by spinny (March 26, 2010 1:36 pm ET)
               
            The ole Keating Five guy? That one?
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          • Author by bintx (March 26, 2010 3:58 pm ET)
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            Me, too. McCain was actually my candidate in 2000. I really liked him; then, he got screwed over by Bush/Rove.

            But, in 2008, once he chose Palin, NEVER.

            For the record, I didn't like any of the candidates who ran in 2008. LOL!
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            • Author by jediknight65 (March 26, 2010 4:16 pm ET)
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              i felt the same way actually. sadly i didn't turn 18 until after bush got elected
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        • Author by southerngal (March 26, 2010 1:06 pm ET)
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          I could have voted for McCain in 2000, but he showed his true character during the 2008 campaign, in my opinion. Nothing but a desperate opportunist who stooped to one low lever after another trying to get in the WH. I lost all respect for him.
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          • Author by southerngal (March 26, 2010 1:06 pm ET)
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            level, not lever.
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          • Author by mikehuck1976 (March 26, 2010 2:59 pm ET)
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            I agree completely, righton. I feel exactly the same about McCain. My disappointment with McCain is exactly the same trajectory as my disappointment with the Republican party for the last 2 decades. Each time I think they have someone who may be an actual leader to get them out of this Fox News/hate radio disaster he sells his political soul to the same far-right elements. Palin was the nail in the coffin of me ever supporting McCain in any future election.
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            • Author by hurricaneyankee52983 (March 26, 2010 5:21 pm ET)
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              mikehuck i hear you on that point I started losing faith in the REPUBLICAN party when CHENEY and GINGRICH came into prominence but what tipped the balance againt them is when they crawled into bed with the RELIGIOUS RIGHT and adopted their"my way or the highway" attitude and their smearing of anyone that disagrees with their very narrow views.By the way I believe SARACUDA PALIN is a national disaster.
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              • Author by mikehuck1976 (March 27, 2010 1:53 pm ET)
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                The die was cast once they embarked on their quest for Clinton impeachment. Nothing became as important as destroying their political opponents. There were no lines that would not be crossed. It became party over principles and even party over country. I still hold out hope that there will be more John Danforths or even Barry Goldwaters in the future of the Republican party. That there will be reasonable, rational, statesmen from the right that will ignore Limbaugh and Fox and their ilk and will once again take part in a national debate of ideas.

                We all win when the debate is more substance and less politics. They must turn away from these entertainers disguised as political leaders. Any political points they think they might gain in the short run are not worth the long term price they cost the party and its principles. And, yes, the Republican party did once have principles.
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                • Author by Jeremy Danials (March 28, 2010 12:29 am ET)
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                  This is why Clinton co-opting DM was one of his most brilliant maneuvers, one that Obama is employing right now, Political Judo. Take one of their ideas, make it your own, and force them to go along with you, or risk your job next time it comes up. Clinton did it with NAFTA (though I wish he hadn't on that one), he did it with fiscal responsibility leading towards a Balanced Budget, and he did it with Kosovo and Iraq (which Gingrich, Cheney, and Co. endorsed, BTW).

                  Goldwater was a conservative we could be proud of, for sure. e was just in the wrong place at the wrong time.I may be a staunch liberal (though open-minded), but even I see the need for the brakes to be GENTLY applied every once and again to slow us down, not totally derail us! What are we, AmTrak?
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        • Author by indictgwbush (March 26, 2010 7:19 pm ET)
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          I'm a little perplexed here. How does blowing up women and kids in indochina, and getting shot down in the process, qualify one to be the President of the United States?
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      • Author by Conchobhar (March 26, 2010 1:14 pm ET)
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        Contemptible, too.
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        • Author by southerngal (March 26, 2010 1:17 pm ET)
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          Contemptible is actually a better word. And I would also add despicable.
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          • Author by Conchobhar (March 26, 2010 1:26 pm ET)
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            B-b-b-but, she's pretty!
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            • Author by magnolialover (March 26, 2010 2:03 pm ET)
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              Not really.
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            • Author by foghornleghorn (March 26, 2010 2:17 pm ET)
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              She's not pretty, she's "purdy". Gotta use the nutjob vernacular.
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            • Author by bintx (March 26, 2010 4:01 pm ET)
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              I don't think she's all that pretty. She looks harsh . . . it's probably the 80s hair and makeup, but I think her mean-spiritedness has a lot to do with it. The night of the Republican convention, I watched about 2 minutes of her speech before I turned it off. No use for this harridan.
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              • Author by rsinebada7366 (March 27, 2010 3:56 pm ET)
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                I watched ALL of Palin's convention speech! I had just watched the same kind of vitriol and smarmy attack speech from Guilliani. I went to bed, took my blood pressure. It was way up. The phone rang. It was my sister. Exact same attitude and reaction. WARNING! Palin is dangerous to nice old ladies health.
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              • Author by ilikeike (March 29, 2010 10:42 am ET)
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                how are these insults re her appearance any less despicable than the ones against pelosi?can we please all agree to drop the completely irrelevant issue of female politicians looks
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            • Author by indictgwbush (March 26, 2010 7:21 pm ET)
                 
              Compared to other repugnicans; I guess she's not too hideous.
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            • Author by Jeremy Danials (March 28, 2010 12:30 am ET)
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              So's a succubus. But with a succubus, you get the illusion of intimacy. Not even that with Ol' Winky.
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      • Author by usp (March 26, 2010 2:13 pm ET)
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        you know- she should know better- but she doesn't. that's the scary part.
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      • Author by whatIthink (March 26, 2010 3:58 pm ET)
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        She has been picked up by TLC. I refuse to watch any Discovery networks until they get rid of her. What they think she could possibly offer is beyond me. This woman has made it her lifes work to take advantage of people's trust and gullibility for personal profit. What a shame because I liked some of Discoverys networks (Discovery, Animal Planet, Military Channel).
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        • Author by DianneU (March 27, 2010 7:06 pm ET)
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          I strongly suggest that everyone who feels the same way as you and I do about seeing Palin's face on the wonderful Discovery network, should immediately write to them. It's easy online. Use the strongest language you can muster and let them know how Palin does NOT relay the image they have worked so hard to establish - one of being for the environment and animal welfare, etc. Tell them how you feel and that you won't watch their network as long as she's on it.
          First of all....you'll lower your blood pressure. You'll feel so much better about the situation, and just maybe they will listen to their viewers and stop this madness before it becomes the fiasco it is doomed to be. Discovery has to realize what they stand to lose by standing close to the likes of her!!
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      • Author by jediknight65 (March 26, 2010 4:14 pm ET)
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        wow....i have to say im surprised that we are again in agreement. bravo to you.

        again this is the result of allowing the right wing noise machine to let itself run wild.
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    • Author by cugagcmu805031 (March 26, 2010 1:22 pm ET)
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      Has anyone else noticed that those using the violent rhetoric have nothing in common with the people they are trying to influence?

      IMHO, this is a clear indication that they are using those who listen to them to promote their own personal and political gain.
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      • Author by southerngal (March 26, 2010 1:26 pm ET)
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        It's all about their own personal gain, and there is nothing inherently wrong with that - except they need to take full responsibility for their words and they should have enough civility, decency and common sense to know that pushing the envelope too far in the name of getting some attention is on their head, and their conscience, if they have any.
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        • Author by Bongo Fury (March 26, 2010 1:31 pm ET)
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          Sedition is still a crime isn't it?
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        • Author by MiniTru (March 26, 2010 3:18 pm ET)
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          It's all about their own personal gain, and there is nothing inherently wrong with that
          Of course there's something inherently wrong with that. These politicians are elected to serve the people, not their own pocketbooks.
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        • Author by jediknight65 (March 26, 2010 4:18 pm ET)
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          ah but there is the problem, they aren't taking responsibility for it. i'm betting someone could get shot because of this and none of them would still take responsibility for it.
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        • Author by indictgwbush (March 26, 2010 7:24 pm ET)
             
          Public SERVICE is NOT supposed to be all about personal gain.
          There IS something inherently WRONG with that!
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      • Author by shaggles (March 26, 2010 2:08 pm ET)
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        But they have a lot in common with the radical imams sending young Muslims out to commit suicide bombings while they grow old and fat.
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    • Author by IllusionsOfMediaPropaganda (March 26, 2010 1:50 pm ET)
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      Segregation, keep people apart, keep us fighting each other, make sure we stay at the bottom of the totum pole as corporate slaves while the money masters up top who are feeding us this nonsense laugh all the way to the bank. If red will create green for them, their agenda to push violence will be loud and clear. Sad we live in a society where brainwashing the public is the only means of pushing a political agenda, or "movement" as they like to refer to it as. In my honest opinion, until we stand up and fight against the propagandists and manchurian robots, we will always be viewed from the bottom up, while the public kills each other and elected officials because some blowhard decided to push that agenda.
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      • Author by worrierking (March 26, 2010 1:55 pm ET)
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        You do realize that most people think what you just wrote is absolutely crazy?

        But not me, I've been saying it for years. Those on top know that the surest way to stay on top is to keep everyone below fighting each other. It's worked since the industrial revolution. And it seems to be working now.
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        • Author by IllusionsOfMediaPropaganda (March 26, 2010 2:00 pm ET)
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          Absolutely, especially a media conglomerate such as Newscorp., with international ownership at it's helm, pushing their agenda, whatever it may be, to further the seperation amongst race, gender, equality, ecomonic beliefs, taxes, government, guns, abortion, etc.

          Those pundits know exactly what they're going to say before they even say it. Even their slightest of hand gesture's, be it against a democratic opponent on TV, is used to mindfully control what the viewer makes of the segment.
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          • Author by southerngal (March 26, 2010 2:15 pm ET)
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            Oh please. You both act as though there are only two distinct set of people in this country. The "top" rich guys who all speak and work as one entity bent on keeping every else down and away from their "wealth" and "power. And then all the rest of us, owned and puppeteered by them, our minds and thoughts controlled and manipulated by their every word, like robots. It's ridiculous.

            Many people don't even watch, much less pay attention to these idiots, look at how many viewers watch Fox, like what 1% of the population. And how many people work for big "corporate masters" and nobody is a "corporate slave", unless they are forced to work in a certain job, and nobody is. We all have choices.

            Your hysteria is about as overblown as anything I have ever read.
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            • Author by IllusionsOfMediaPropaganda (March 26, 2010 2:25 pm ET)
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              So you deny that Fox has ANY influence on the public? 1% or not, all it takes is ONE wingnut to execute an elected official, just ONE.
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              • Author by southerngal (March 26, 2010 2:33 pm ET)
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                I have said repeatedly that those who have a media platform are responsible for the words they speak. I say this from a moral standpoint, the legalities of inciting violence will and should be decided in the courts for each individual case where appropriate. So yes, of course they influence people's opinions. I never said otherwise.

                What I took issue with was your conspiratorial rant about the "top" wanting to keep people "beneath" them fighting and in a constant state of flux to protect their "wealth" or "power" or something.

                I don't see idiots like Limbaugh or any of his like-minded wannabee clones having much more of an agenda than to line their pockets and get some attention. It's sickening, poisoning, coarsening and disgusting. But they have a freedom to speak. But along with that freedom comes responsibility. And they don't want to accept that, which is the pitiful and sad part. They have to live with themselves.
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                • Author by IllusionsOfMediaPropaganda (March 26, 2010 2:45 pm ET)
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                  I respectfully disagree. When you begin maligning yourself with violence, inticing certain violent behavior against your opposition (A "news" organization should NOT have opposition, but go figure, it's Fox), and blatently pushing the buttons of those who will not benefit from their talking points and belief systems, you've gone far and beyond the notion of it being just "sickenin" and "pitiful".

                  Propaganda is information, often inaccurate information, which a political organization publishes or broadcasts in order to influence people.

                  Propaganda is a form of communication aimed at influencing the attitude of a community toward some cause or position.

                  When Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity, and the rest of the right wing media have built a foundation on propagandizing and mixing in notions of death threats and violence to their shows, it's gone far and beyond freedom of speech, it becomes blatant hate speech.

                  And yes, I do believe there is a totem pole of wealthy bank and oil execs who have influence over public perception. Hey, you don't have to go far, just take a look into the shareholdings of a certain Saudi Prince and Newscorp...thus in turn, you have Fox News being anti-climate change and pro oil. Pushing an agenda to brainwash the viewers? Like I said, they know what they're going to say before they even say it.
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                  • Author by southerngal (March 26, 2010 2:59 pm ET)
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                    Well, I guess we disagree on the bank and oil execs influence. There again, their priority is their company and their livelihood. I can't imagine in their corporate shareholder meetings that the topic of keeping people who are lower than them on the totem pole all riled up is given much airtime. They have companies to run. In any event,

                    I don't disagree with your perception of much of what Limbaugh and those like him say, or promote. But I am not a lawyer, or a DA, so I cannot intelligently speak to whether or not their words cross the line and become worthy of a criminal investigation. If it is, I hope the public officials in their jurisdiction do their sworn duty.

                    I speak of their moral obligation and responsibility, because I definitely believe they should be called on that, anyone who has a public media platform should morally be held accountable for their words - and denounced by civil and decent people from every political philosophy.

                    That is why I think it's important that when your "side" does it, it's vital we call it out. When liberals call out Limbaugh it only emboldens him, however if decent conservatives and Republicans would start doing it, it might have an impact. The same with Democrats and liberals when one of their own crosses the line. It would be nice if it started with Congresspeople and elected officials, but they are spineless for the most part and feel that by just saying nothing is safer. This is what needs to change.

                    And by denouncing all of it, and not keeping score about who is worse, is a good start.

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                    • Author by peace4all (March 26, 2010 3:44 pm ET)
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                      actually your kind of incorrect here. if you go back and read Madison, when they were drafting the constitution the goal was to protest what he termed the opulent elite from the masses. if given full political participation the masses would eventually call for a more fair distribution of property and wealth. you can also look at the labor movements of the early 20th century when corporate interests crushed the labor movement using government paid thug. by the 1930's corporate propaganda began to replace direct violence by pr people coming into a community with labor organizers and demonizing them. there is no grand conspiracy but the fact is that corporate interests and the wealthy in general have always sought to keep the common man in his place so that we are no threat to their power and influence.
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                      • Author by southerngal (March 26, 2010 3:55 pm ET)
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                        Ask a common man who has worked his way up to become an "uncommon man" and threatened anyone's influence. It's ridiculous.
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                        • Author by peace4all (March 26, 2010 4:50 pm ET)
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                          yes, the history of this country is ridiculous.
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                          • Author by ilikeike (March 29, 2010 10:40 am ET)
                               
                            your history is about as well thought out and mature as one of becks or rushs history lessons
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                • Author by coldteablues19577325 (March 26, 2010 3:29 pm ET)
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                  "What I took issue with was your conspiratorial rant about the "top" wanting to keep people "beneath" them fighting and in a constant state of flux to protect their "wealth" or "power" or something." --rightON

                  C'mon, you can't be this dense. Ever heard of robber barons? Hmmmmm, like the Rockefellers, Andrew Carnegie was also considered one even though he spent a lot of his money on building libraries throughout the US, and many of the railroad magnates were also destined to be considered robber barons.
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                  • Author by southerngal (March 26, 2010 3:31 pm ET)
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                    Thank you for introducing a relevant example ripped from today's headlines. If we were in the 19th century.

                    And am I dense?
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                    • Author by worrierking (March 26, 2010 3:54 pm ET)
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                      Tommy you and I have been having this same argument for years.

                      It's an oversimplification but that doesn't make it false. If the robber barons aren't relevant today that not much else is relevant.

                      The enormous transfer of wealth from the middle class to the wealthy has been taking place since the Reagan administration. And the job is almost complete.

                      Some day Americans will understand class warfare and who has been victorious.
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                      • Author by southerngal (March 26, 2010 4:00 pm ET)
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                        I am glad you and Tommy have had this discussion for years, it's as relevant as robber barons.

                        But rather than sit around and worry that my pie slice of the American dream is controlled and out of reach because the deck is so stacked against me and those above me need to be punished or knocked down a peg or two; I worry about myself and what I can do, to move up if I so desire, or contribute, or whatever it takes on my part to my life successful and complete and fulfilled.

                        I don't waste my time trying to bring anyone else down or worrying about what they have that I don't, it distracts from my own goals of getting on with it.
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                        • Author by peace4all (March 26, 2010 4:58 pm ET)
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                          that's a basic difference between you and me. like i will assume you have, i have worked my way up to a comfortable living. however, it is a fact that wealth in this country is moving towards the top end. that makes me concerned for my children and theirs that follow. if the current trends continue then unless my children get lucky and get the good breaks they will have even less of a chance to succeed than i did. i have worked hard to get where i am but i also got lucky in many respects. most poor people are not poor because they are lazy or don't have the drive. most are poor by circumstance. every company needs a labor force, if we are all bosses then who will be the workers. therefore, it is in the best interest of the wealthy to keep as many people down as possible to give them a wider labor pool.
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                          • Author by southerngal (March 26, 2010 5:36 pm ET)
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                            "it is in the best interest of the wealthy to keep as many people down as possible to give them a wider labor pool"

                            Again, ridiculous. Do you actually think rich people who own companies sit around and try to think up ways to keep people "down" as you put it? It's absurd and makes no sense. It's just a way to attack rich people again with some idiotic conspiracy theory that has no basis in reality. We are not in the 19th century, we are a global economy.
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                            • Author by jonesjax2374 (March 28, 2010 5:09 pm ET)
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                              Interesting thread. I do find it amazing that the thought of national health care has been so villified that those that would benefit from it the most have been told it will destroy the country. Money doesn't talk; it swears.
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                          • Author by poproxx77 (March 26, 2010 6:16 pm ET)
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                            I disagree with "most poor people are not poor because they are lazy or don't have the drive. most are poor by circumstance."

                            In my experience poverty is learned. Take a public school for instance. It is a fairly controlled enviroment, children have the same teachers, councilors, administrators, clubs, sports, extra-curricular activities, food, and similar funding. Despite all those thing being equal, some students fail, and some students succeed.

                            Some students know how to be successful, and some students don't. We can argue about why some students are successful and other aren't, but those variables are numerous and often impossible to reasonably control. (Parenting for example)

                            Outside of the controlled enviroment of a public school is different, obviously. Many of the same rules apply, some people know how to be successful and some don't, in differing degrees. Sometimes luck plays a part, sometime circumstances. But more often than not, it is whether or not a person has learned to be succsessful.

                            Rather than using the government to make everyone successful, (impossible) it seems far better to reward those who are successful, and keep the playing field as equal as possible, so those who want to learn success can.

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                            • Author by poproxx77 (March 26, 2010 6:31 pm ET)
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                              Just a side note:

                              I don't believe there has ever been a social structure on a large scale that has eliminated class. I don't think any economic or political structures exist that offer a classless society, where one person dominating another person is non-existent. I don't think that a functioning ideal has even been conceived yet(Notice the yet). I hope that it will be.

                              Until then, I think the best we can do is offer a place where the dominated have protections, and where mobility between class is dependent on an individuals abilities and character.

                              I also think that capatilism is the best means to support class mobility and limited class domination. Obviously you have to have a referee, but the second the referee becomes a player, neither team will win. The referee makes all the rules.
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                        • Author by worrierking (March 26, 2010 5:35 pm ET)
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                          When did I say any of that?

                          I'm not complaining about myself. I worked and fought my entire life for what I have. No one gave me anything. And more importantly, no one was dragged down because of anything I've ever done. I've spent my life in the trenches fighting for working people against corporate America.

                          And I'm the last person who would waste time worrying that other people have more than me. I've accomplished my goals and want for nothing.

                          But everyday, I see the wreckage left behind when things stop "trickling down". I see million dollar homes foreclosed with no one interested or able to "move up". Many of those who just last year were arguing from your position see exactly where they stand in the scheme of things. And they understand how wrong they were.



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                          • Author by southerngal (March 26, 2010 5:46 pm ET)
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                            I see all kinds of similar things that you do. I know the pain of unemployment and bills staring you in the face with not enough money to pay them, believe me. But it isn't just society's fault, or something that will be eliminated if we just give people stuff. Much of it are the choices we make, and the mindset, and the attitude, and the grit and determination that government cannot give anyone.

                            My point is that it is pointless to complain how unfair and disproportionate everything is. All that energy is better spent figuring out how to start working your way back up from despair. People do it all the time in this country, always have, always will. Sure, some people have advantages, but life is not fair. Some people get stepped on more than others but as I said much of our lot is of our making. If I live in a million dollar home and have debt up the wazoo then I created that mess, it isn't my neighbor's fault I lived beyond my means. Does that mean they deserve to be out on the street? No, but there are avenues and ways; churches, family, community, charities, all sorts of organizations to help people get through tough times. And yes, the government in a restrained and temporary safety net. I am not against that.

                            I just don't see the value in worrying about what somebody else has. Those that do invariably do so at their own peril. And they just want to be "righted". And it isn't government's role to right someones economic wrong. It just isn't.
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                      • Author by DellDolly (March 26, 2010 4:09 pm ET)
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                        Current example.

                        The wages of the middle class have been stagnant for years and years while their expenses have continued to go up.

                        The wealth of the wealthiest in the USA has grown to such an extent that they now pay a significantly larger share of the overall taxes paid, despite the fact that tax rates didn't increase, because they have so much more money!

                        Growth in today's economy is fueled by consumer spending, and the only way the largest group, the middle class, can spend more in a financially viable way is to have real wage growth. Borrowing and drawing down savings are two other ways that often happen, but they are pits that don't help in the long run.
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                        • Author by poproxx77 (March 26, 2010 5:48 pm ET)
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                          So is your solution government redistribution of wealth?

                          I don't think anyone is arguing that there is a growing disparity. I think the arguement is about how to deal with it. That is the real difference between opposing views, how do we decide who deals the cards.

                          This thread really digressed didn't it. Started out with people calling Palin "hot or not" and turned into a far more fundamental discussion about economics.
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                          • Author by worrierking (March 26, 2010 5:55 pm ET)
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                            OK, if the question is "Palin, hot or not" my answer is feverish. Probably beyond the point of brain damage.
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                            • Author by poproxx77 (March 26, 2010 6:35 pm ET)
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                              HAHAHAHA

                              You are far more daring than me. Feverish.....HAHA

                              What the hell? Who gave me a thumbs down on my post? I didn't even state an opinion. Probably just saw my name and slapped a thumbs down on there.

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                              • Author by poproxx77 (March 27, 2010 2:27 pm ET)
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                                Again, this isn't even thumb-downsable.

                                I"VE BEEN THE VICTIM OF A HATE CRIME!
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                                • Author by jonesjax2374 (March 28, 2010 5:17 pm ET)
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                                  You guys are cracking me up. I'm older than Palin and a liberal woman but concede that she is pretty, of course. But that voice - OUCH! Or would that make her a buttervoice. Pretty goes a long way - just look at our latest SENATORFOLD that was elected...
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                    • Author by rott250 (March 26, 2010 6:13 pm ET)
                         
                      no not dense just a socialist
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                    • Author by Ray A (March 27, 2010 8:28 am ET)
                         
                      Greed, be it personal and or corprate, is no respecter of what century it is.
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            • Author by ilikeike (March 29, 2010 10:38 am ET)
                 
              sadly there are glenn becks on the progressive side
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          • Author by rott250 (March 26, 2010 6:08 pm ET)
               
            LOL no mention of George Soros or that liberal progressives control 90% of the media. Us conservatives have fox news and talk radio, your argument is nothing but a liberal mindset of how to shutdown free speech.
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      • Author by indictgwbush (March 26, 2010 7:25 pm ET)
           
        What do you know. Somebody actually gets it!
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    • Author by punkin (March 26, 2010 1:53 pm ET)
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      left out of this list: Boehner saying on a talk radio program that Ohio Representative, Steve Driehaus (D) is a dead man if he votes for the health care bill
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      • Author by Jeremy Danials (March 28, 2010 12:50 am ET)
           
        "IF" there is an afterlife, Boner there's gonna be REALLY surprised for the first 1000 years, I suspect.

        Now THAT'S a threat. Context be damned, youi can't say something like that without first qualifying it with "I'd have to be a freaking idiot to say..."
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    • Author by SmackontheWeb (March 26, 2010 2:46 pm ET)
         
      You forgot about Beck wondering if he could choke Michael Moore to death.

      http://mediamatters.org/research/200505180008
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    • Author by ungeziefer (March 26, 2010 2:47 pm ET)
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      It appears Palin changed the text on the post -- it now reads:

      "Don’t Get Demoralized! Get Organized!"

      Whatta ya know -- she actually DOES have some shame?!

      (I'm sure there's a cached version or screen capture of it out there though...)
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      • Author by ungeziefer (March 26, 2010 2:52 pm ET)
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        Oops -- my bad, it was her tweet, not the Facebook page. I misread.

        http://twitter.com/SarahPalinUSA/status/10935548053

        (So, no. Still no shame.)
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      • Author by Lord of Light (March 26, 2010 3:19 pm ET)
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        Whatta ya know -- she actually DOES have some shame?!

        No intelligence, though.

        Not even speaking from a policy perspective, how could anyone worship this airhead? She's pathetic on every level and totally out for number one.
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      • Author by friedbergboy1422 (March 26, 2010 5:09 pm ET)
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        Does "getting organized" require a community organizer? We know how useless those people are ;)?/sarcasm
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    • Author by Turk72 (March 26, 2010 4:07 pm ET)
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      When I hear the radio broadcasts of Beck, Limbaugh, and Savage, more and more I'm reminded of the radio broadcasts that were always playing in the background in the movie Hotel Rawanda. The words are harmless but the people that are listening aren't and things could get out of hand in this country really fast if these talking heads don't tone it down a bit.
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    • Author by pete592 (March 26, 2010 4:09 pm ET)
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      Road rage, accident centers on Obama bumper sticker
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      • Author by poproxx77 (March 26, 2010 6:44 pm ET)
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        What a silly article.
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        • Author by pete592 (March 26, 2010 7:14 pm ET)
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          Yes, road rage, especially when children are involved, is always a barrel of laughs.
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          • Author by poproxx77 (March 26, 2010 9:55 pm ET)
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            For real, why would a father slam on his breaks to cause an accident with his child in the vehicle?

            Your twisty attempt at spinning this story is also silly. It was a completely biased and one-sided story. A story with a clear agenda. How do they even know if the man was pointing at his Obama sticker, he could have been point to a low tire.

            Silly story. You would be silly to give it any credence.

            Nice try at progpogating your progressive sob story. Better luck next time.
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            • Author by pete592 (March 26, 2010 10:54 pm ET)
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              It was a completely biased and one-sided story.
              Typically when a crime occurs, the press gets the story from victims, witnesses, and the police. The suspect's side of the story usually waits until trial, or is communicated through the suspect's attorney. I'm assuming his lawyer has advised him to keep his mouth shut. For real.

              he could have been point[sic] to a low tire.
              So you're saying it's possible that the perpetrator could have been alerting the father to a low tire by flipping him the bird? "Hey, you're tire is low, so 'F' you." LMAO, For real.

              Yeah, silly story, so silly that the alleged perpetrator faces felony charges. For real.
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              • Author by pete592 (March 27, 2010 12:14 am ET)
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                Uh oh, we've got updates, and it's gotten even sillier...

                Man accused in bumper sticker road rage tells his side


                Turns out there's a witness, and...

                Weisiger is charged with two counts of reckless endangerment, driving under the influence, refusing to take a breath test, and leaving the scene of an accident.

                So the charges mount. DUI and hit and run. Ouch.

                As sob story, indeed. For real.
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                • Author by poproxx77 (March 27, 2010 2:26 pm ET)
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                  Very silly indeed. I'm glad you agree with me. Still sillier if you think this was sparked by right-wing "violent thetoric". Looks to be sparked by JD more than GB. Try again, correlating unrelated stories, another proctological tactic EXPOSED.
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                  • Author by pete592 (March 27, 2010 2:58 pm ET)
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                    So, Weisiger got drunk, saw a low tire on Duren's car, informed Duren by flipping him off, then pursued Duren and hit his car, repeatedly, then fled the scene. No, that doesn't sound the least bit silly at all.

                    I didn't say it was sparked by right-wing violent rhetoric. If I had to guess, it was motivated by burning hatred of any and all things Obama, including those who supported and voted for him.
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    • Author by jediknight65 (March 26, 2010 4:15 pm ET)
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      :waves hand calling on the force:

      no violent rhetoric here, move along
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    • Author by donwelty (March 26, 2010 4:39 pm ET)
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      We've had riots in this country. Nobody called for them. Now we have healthcare and a lot of people who called it socialism, communism, grandma killing, and whatever are now calling for violence and riots?

      We have George Bush to thank for being the sixth worst president ever and making it impossible for a lot of Republicans to get elected. We have the insane rhetoric of these people taking such an extreme position that republicans will have a hard time in the next elections.

      There were 47 million people without health insurance. If half of them are going to have health insurance and influence voting in the next election, are they going to vote for obstructionists or for candidates who helped them? The polls show that the more that the public finds out about what is in the healthcare bill, the more they like it.
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    • Author by rott250 (March 26, 2010 4:59 pm ET)
         
      So you would think according to this article that there would have been some kind of arrests of conservatives attacking people or recordings of somebody doing something! This is a joke and taken so much out of context it is comical. I do have some facts though what about the SEIU thugs that beat a young black man for supporting the tea party or the SEIU thugs intimidating people at town hall meetings.

      Funny how none of the hate speech from all the liberals that spew this stuff on a daily basis now or during the Bush administration are cited.
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    • Author by strepsiades (March 26, 2010 6:34 pm ET)
         
      Hilarious

      http://beckstudies.blogspot.com/
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    • Author by big_O_Other7415 (March 26, 2010 6:55 pm ET)
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      The Republicans and conservatives are evidently taking to the airwaves to try to influence others to take action or take up arms.

      But they themselves are armchair revolutionaries, sitting back and taking their big paydays without lifting anything but their lips... why would anyone ever listen to them. The lazy Republican Senators haven't done a lick of work since Obama was elected; it's easy to just say no.

      Get them off the Federal dole and see what they start talking about then. They would begin kissing up to whoever is in power, hoping to get their old jobs and big salaries back.
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      • Author by inbow (March 26, 2010 7:40 pm ET)
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        Let's see now. Someone said that the Republikkkan Party owns Fox Quasi-News, but I heard it Officially that Fox Quasi-News owns the Republickkkan Party.
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    • Author by indictgwbush (March 26, 2010 7:14 pm ET)
         
      As far as chuck norris is concerned, I thought the right wingnuts hated celebrity activists. Oh; I'm sorry, they only hate celebrity activists who aren't in lockstep with their idiotic beliefs.
      And by the way; the time for a second revolution has passed.
      It was ten years ago when a group of activist judges handed the presidency to a fascist, elitist, moron WITHOUT ALLOWING THE VOTES TO BE COUNTED!!!
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    • Author by BreezyBelle (March 26, 2010 7:49 pm ET)
         
      I often wonder if any of these people (the ones purposely perpetuating this kind of paranoia-inducing propaganda) really believe that people are actually taking them seriously... and considering acting on all these "calls to action" that keep getting put out there. How long will it be before someone, or a group of whack-job someones, decides that it's time to act out, to revolt, riot, or act on some assasination plot that some charasmatic nutjob puts together?? How many times can someone call for a revolution, or call the President a socialist or communist (or any other "word of the day") before people realyl start to wholeheartedly believe that they must take it upon themselves to do something drastic about it??

      And if something really, really serious does actually happen - will any of these poeple admit their contribution to the madness? Hmmm - short answer, I'm sure, is NO, they will not. They will find a way to blame it on Democrats, progressives, liberals... it will be the fault of the targets of all this hate.

      It's frustrating, terrifying, and embarassing to see all this garbage going out on airwaves, and into cyberspace... globally, for the entire world to watch. I fear domestic terrorists a heck of a lot more than I fear terrorists from other countries. I mean, seriously - why fear terrorists from other countries, when this country is steadily growing a rampant crop all of our own?
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    • Author by MidRoaderTurnedLeft (March 27, 2010 5:44 pm ET)
         
      Here's what Sarah Palin and the "Fox Nation" are saying:

      http://www.thefoxnation.com/media/2010/03/26/palin-incitement-lamestream-media-fiction

      And then there's Ted Nugent, a pal of Sean Hannity's:

      http://www.mediaite.com/online/ted-nugent-tells-cavuto-politicians-are-pigs-and-we-gotta-kill-the-pig/

      To be "fair and balanced": Nugent's comments are probably just satire or metaphor.
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    • Author by laylafanucci (March 28, 2010 9:26 pm ET)
         
      The way she incites all the disturbed/angry people together
      is frightening and frankly, evil. Jim Jones is another example of someone who preyed on the weak and ill to get them to do what he wanted for a cause that was twisted and sick. We must stop giving her media attention and stop this vicious cycle. The media plays an important role in all this and journalists must be more responsible. Stop covering this low life, inexperienced, loud mouth non substantive, media hungry, ego driven person. Why is the media so focused on the Anna Nicole Smiths and Sara Palins of the world??? Please STOP....ENOUGH of trash tv.!
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