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Hannity falsely claimed "50 percent of American households no longer pay taxes"

April 09, 2010 10:52 pm ET — 113 Comments

Fox News' Sean Hannity falsely claimed that "50 percent of American households no longer pay taxes." In fact, while 47 percent of American households pay no federal income taxes, according to the Tax Policy Center, the "vast majority" of these households reportedly pay other taxes.

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From the April 9 edition of Fox News' Hannity:

HANNITY: You know, we saw stories this week where people were saying, all right, health care, where do I sign up for my free Obama health care? We saw stories this week, 50 percent of American households no longer pay taxes. What does that mean for America if you have a voting electorate that's not paying any taxes?

Nearly half of U.S. households pay no federal income taxes, but most reportedly pay other taxes

Tax Policy Center: 47 percent of U.S. households will pay no federal income tax this year. In a June 29, 2009, report, the Tax Policy Center (TPC) stated that "[e]arlier this year, [President] Obama signed into law the American Recovery and Reinvestment Tax Act of 2009 (P.L. 111-5), which, among other things, temporarily put into place some of the refundable credits proposed during the campaign. TPC estimates that under the new law, 47 percent of tax units will owe no income tax in 2009." The Associated Press cited that statistic in an April 7 article, noting that "their incomes were too low, or they qualified for enough credits, deductions and exemptions to eliminate their liability."

AP: "[V]ast majority of people who escape federal income taxes still pay other taxes." The AP further wrote that "[t]he vast majority of people who escape federal income taxes still pay other taxes, including federal payroll taxes that fund Social Security and Medicare, and excise taxes on gasoline, aviation, alcohol and cigarettes. Many also pay state or local taxes on sales, income and property."

Hannity made similar false claim on previous show

Hannity, April 8: "50 percent of Americans no longer pay taxes. They don't pay income taxes." On the April 8 edition of his Fox News show, Hannity said: "But there was a big report today. It came up on the AP. It was the Drudge headline last night before I went to bed. And I got here in Grand Rapids, and I'm reading the Internet, and 50 percent of Americans no longer pay taxes. They don't pay income taxes. So we -- and it seems like, at this point, what incentive is there going to be for the people that are paying taxes?"

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    • Author by thaneb (April 09, 2010 11:09 pm ET)
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      They're pushing this, and decrying it as if it's freeloading (to gin up their base), while at the same time decrying the health care mandate which is in place to circumvent freeloading.
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      • Author by magnolialover (April 10, 2010 12:41 am ET)
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        Well, they're doing this, and at the same time talking about how we, as a country, is overtaxed. So which is it Sean? Are we taxed too much, or not taxed enough?

        I wonder what percentage of those people not paying fed income tax use federal subsidized services? I bet, not a lot.
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        • Author by YouDontMeanThat (April 10, 2010 8:51 am ET)
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          The producers are paying more taxes to make up for all the free loading muchers. And it's not the "country" being over taxed, it's the workers being over taxed!
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          • Author by Refresh (April 10, 2010 11:53 am ET)
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            It's the workers who Hannity is complaining about not paying taxes. You can't have it both ways, saying we're not taxed enough and overtaxed at the same time. If the unemployment rate is %10, then who are the %50 not paying taxes that Hannity is talking about? He's talking about the same workers you claim are over taxed.
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            • Author by alienofwar (April 10, 2010 2:19 pm ET)
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              He's actually talking about the top 1% of income earners like himself. You see, he speaks in code, you have to be able to interpret his true intentions to understand him.
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              • Author by bar2 (April 11, 2010 1:15 am ET)
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                Ok - so we should listen to what he actually says but rather some how "interpret his true intentions". That has to be the craziest thing I have ever heard. Why in the world would he simply not communicate "his true intentions"?

                Second, you need to go back to math class. If he is talking about the "top 1%" how can that be equal to 50% not paying taxes?

                As said above, you can't have it both ways. Which is it?
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                • Author by Refresh (April 11, 2010 2:09 am ET)
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                  I think alienofwar was being sarcastic and saying that Hannity was being disingenuous in speaking about the "%50 of workers." In other words he was calling Hannity a liar, in a nice round a bout sort of way.
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          • Author by usappa00 (April 11, 2010 12:01 am ET)
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            You think Hannity cares about the workers getting over taxed? He just stated that 50% of American workers don't pay taxes. Don't you think most of these people are workers? Or, are you just stupid.
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        • Author by poproxx77 (April 10, 2010 5:26 pm ET)
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          According to the Tax Foundation.

          For every tax dollar paid to the U.S. government the bottom 20 percent receive $8.21 in government spending. The highest earner receive only $.41 in government spending.

          So according to this study in 2007, you are dead wrong. Those not paying federal income tax receive the the most in returned government spending.

          "Are we taxed too much, or not taxed enough?"

          Well, I can only answer for myself. I know I spend my money better than the government does, so I'm taxed to much. MAybe if you think the government spends it more wisely than you would, you could consider paying more taxes. We could have a voluntary tax policy. :)

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          • Author by roundhouse (April 12, 2010 12:15 pm ET)
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            Oh man, talk about your whiny class warriors. The federal government is not the enemy of the people, but the expression of our collective will.

            And if you think you can fund the common good better than government, I propose you buy your own libraries, roads, hospitals, fire and police departments, waterworks, public parks, court system and banks or just stop using it all. I also propose you send back your social security checks when you start receiving them.

            Also, baloney. The wealthy benefit disproportionately from our infrastructure. They receive an educated work force, roads to conduct their commerce, courts to protect their contracts, banks to secure their wealth; and all the tax breaks they get for zoning, write offs for subsidies and flat out tax cuts amount to tax hikes on the poor because those revenue shortfalls choke funding for public needs. Tuitions, for example, go up as federal spending on universities decrease. That tuition hike is a tax on the people who cannot afford higher education.

            The real problem is a shortage of living wages. The real problem is that more and more Americans earn below the poverty line because America's economic royalty feel entitled to take more and more for themselves regardless of their merit.

            Wake up. It's absolutely disgusting that you would condescend to a working Joe who works a full time job, maybe two, and still qualifies for federal aid because his employer looks at him as an expense to be cut, instead of a vital member of the company to be nurtured.
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          • Author by DellDolly (April 12, 2010 1:03 pm ET)
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            This "study" by the Tax Foundation is so bogus it's hard to describe how bogus it is withour writing a book about it!!!

            Looking at one year's worth of taxes is bogus, for one thing. The wealthiest people are most likely to be older, working adults. That means they don't need Social Security or Medicare nor do they have kids in school.

            And then they didn't look at ALL Government spending.

            You distorted what we know to be true. But considering your posting history here, it's exactly what we expected.
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        • Author by edrossinoelwein9669 (April 12, 2010 12:04 am ET)
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          How many (the 47%) of them get a tax rebate, for instance? How many of them get food stamps? How many of them get a housing allowance? How many of them get Title 19? How many of their children require special instruction in school?
          magnolialover, you should really try to learn how to read! I bet there's a federally subsidized program out there just for you! (GED programs are often funded by federal grant.)
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          • Author by internet soldier (April 12, 2010 3:21 pm ET)
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            magnolialover, you should really try to learn how to read! I bet there's a federally subsidized program out there just for you! (GED programs are often funded by federal grant.)

            Oh snap! Mags is gonna need some ice for that burn! It would have been perfect if you had capped it off by saying "idiot" and sticking your tounge out.
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      • Author by Bobby Jindal fan (April 10, 2010 1:51 am ET)
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        If it is not freeloading what else is it? Why should I have to pay for you healthcare, your education, your food stamps, your welfare. People should get a job and pay for their own damn helathcare and education.

        It is not my job to pay for someone else's freebies. Nobody should get benefits from the government. All I want from the government is a military, a police force, and jails. Other than that I neither need nor want ANYTHING from government.
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        • Author by ex-punk (April 10, 2010 3:15 am ET)
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          We live in the United States of America, not the United States of Bobby Jindal Fan, where it's all about me me me.
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          • Author by pete592 (April 10, 2010 5:15 am ET)
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            LOL. Check out his evolving rundown of bare necessities that he expects from the government...

            Above, he states that all he wants is "a military, a police force, and jails."

            Then below in a subsequent post, he tosses in "F-16s, waterboards, and aid to Israel."

            I can't wait to see what's next on his shopping list.
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        • Author by New Frontier (April 10, 2010 10:39 am ET)
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          All I want from the government is a military, a police force, and jails.
          Get off your complaining a$s and emigrate then, 'cause this country isn't going to change for you.
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          • Author by Bobby Jindal fan (April 11, 2010 12:48 am ET)
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            In November we will make the country change.

            When Sarah Palin is president in two years, the waterboarding will commence anew.
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            • Author by Les Philling (April 11, 2010 4:08 am ET)
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              C'mon you really are L*********/J**********/A*** ******/etc., right?
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            • Author by roundhouse (April 12, 2010 1:22 pm ET)
                 
              Too funny. The Tea Party is as unpopular as socialism.

              http://thinkprogress.org/2010/04/05/socialism-vs-tea-parties/
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        • Author by Les Philling (April 10, 2010 11:29 am ET)
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          I think Bobby Jindal Fan is a liberal, maybe the moderator here, who goes to the conservative sites and their comment sections to get the jist of what's on their minds and then regurgitates it in an over-the-top style in order to liven things up around here.
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          • Author by hurricaneyankee52983 (April 11, 2010 3:54 am ET)
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            BJF is a brain dead fool if he believes that cr@p he keeps spewing out here.
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          • Author by bintx (April 11, 2010 3:20 pm ET)
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            I think he is a 17-18 year old smart a** who comes over here to play.
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        • Author by mikehuck1976 (April 10, 2010 12:21 pm ET)
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          Why should I have to pay for you healthcare, your education, your food stamps, your welfare. - BJ

          You don't. You have the freedom to move to Somalia. It is a libertarian paradise.

          All I want from the government is a military, a police force, and jails. - BJ

          Oh, so you are not against all socialism. You just want the government to only give the entire country the socialism that BJ chooses. Get over yourself. You are not that important. You are also appalling ignorant of all that government does. No more meat inspectors? You are a buffoon.
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          • Author by poproxx77 (April 10, 2010 5:36 pm ET)
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            "You are a buffoon."

            You fogot the 'ly' on appalling. You think lawlessness is the same as libertarian, and you think having a military, police, and jails, is selective socialism.

            You shouldn't call names, especially when they apply to you.
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            • Author by mikehuck1976 (April 11, 2010 3:50 pm ET)
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              Well, it is certainly hard to argue with your rebuttal of selective socialism since you provided ZERO evidence to support your contention. Are you suggesting that we do not have socialized law enforcement? Or are you just incapable of grasping the actual concept of socialism?
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              • Author by poproxx77 (April 12, 2010 12:06 pm ET)
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                Selective Socialism:

                "Oh, so you are not against all socialism."-mikehuck

                "You just want the government to only give the entire country the socialism that BJ chooses."

                My mistake I confused you with Bobby. :)

                "Are you suggesting that we do not have socialized law enforcement?"

                Maybe something like the FBI could be considered a socialized law enforcement body (maybe). But your local police forces are certainly not. Their is no Federal Police agency that directs and organizes local law enforcement. It is a pretty loose organization.

                Besides that even federal law enforcement agencies like the ATF, and FBI are independent of eachother. They all might be 'government' agencies but they are not controlled by a single centralized entity. So no, I'd argue that no the law enforcement in this country is not socialized in that sense.

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        • Author by Jen7 (April 10, 2010 2:38 pm ET)
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          I hope your house never catches fire. I hope you don't have to mail a letter or package. I hope you don't want to take your family to a beautiful state park.

          We not only pay taxes for our mail service, beautiful parks and our firefighters who bravely went into those towers and saved lives....but we pay taxes for those who are in need when they lose a job, are disabled, our children's education, etc. That's the way it has been for decades. That's how our Country rolls.

          I was told to 'leave' when I disgreed with Bush...so I'll tell you the same thing: If you don't like the way this Country has been run for the last 100 years, then leave.
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        • Author by internet soldier (April 10, 2010 4:18 pm ET)
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          B.J., what the roads you drive on would not exist but for, you guessed it, the government. Unless you only travel by private jet, you are a beneficiary of government services.

          But even if you did only travel by private jet, you still wouldn't be able to maintain your opulant lifestyle for long if the government only did law enforcement and defense, because the result would be increasing illiteracy, lawlessness, environmental destruction, poverty and decay that would inevitably trickle right back up to you.

          The rich are the disproportionate beneficiaries of a modern society which allows all of us to live civilized lives. And modern society rests on certain basic government services, like education, adequate road systems, sewage and garbage disposal, postal services and electrical grids etc. etc. etc.

          This is one of many reasons why the rich should pay a higher percentage of taxes. Don't it take it me, take it from Adam Smith.
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          • Author by poproxx77 (April 10, 2010 11:23 pm ET)
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            "The rich are the disproportionate beneficiaries of a modern society which allows all of us to live civilized lives."

            Maybe you could clarify what you mean. How do the rich benefit more than the poor from government education, roads, sewage, garbage, and postal systems?

            It seems like the poor benefit more, the rich could afford private schools. It seems like roads, sewage, garbage disposal, postal services, and eletrical grids are neutral. I don't see how they benefit the rich more than the poor. Especially since the rich are paying for them, and the poor are using them for free.

            As far as Adam Smith goes, his agreement with increased taxation on the wealthy does not translate into agreement with what is going on today. He was pretty explicit in his tax policy, it was not meant to support the bloated government we currently have.
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            • Author by rumpleteasermom (April 11, 2010 11:54 am ET)
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              Because the rich don't exist in a vacuum. They forgot that once before and had to learn a harsh lesson about how a society functions in 1929. They seem to be forgetting again.
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              • Author by poproxx77 (April 12, 2010 10:34 am ET)
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                If I understand what you are saying, you are implying that the rich think they derive their wealth independent of poor people, or that they can sustain their wealth without improving the wealth of the poor?

                Is that what you are saying?
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            • Author by wookie (April 11, 2010 2:13 pm ET)
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              You don't think that the McDonalds corporation produces more garbage, sewage, electrical grid, road mainainance costs etc than Joe Sixpack?
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              • Author by poproxx77 (April 12, 2010 11:11 am ET)
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                Obviously McDonalds utilizes more government services than your average Joe. You can't look at as a 1:1 ratio. If you look at a direct comparison Joe uses far more government aid per person served, and taxes paid.

                Your average Joe doesn't provide a service that 27 million people use every day. Or in one store about 1500 people a day. (Same link.)

                In 2008 Mcdonalds paid $1.8 billion dollars in income taxes. (pg.42) That is about 30% of their net profits. Joe Sixpack if he is one of the nearly 50% of people who won't pay any income tax will pay a much smaller tax rate.

                The ratio of what services, and taxes Mcdonalds provides compared to what joe sixpack provides is wieghted in Mcdonalds favor. Mcdonalds is far more efficient than Joe with the services government provides.

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            • Author by internet soldier (April 11, 2010 2:55 pm ET)
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              What I mean is that the wealth the rich have cannot exist without their workers producing goods. These goods have to be shipped; they're not going to be shipped without government provided roads. The production of these goods requires an educated citizenry; something unattainable unless the government ensures, one way or another, that everyone is educated. Corresponce is still very much dependent on postal service, which is provided by the government. The production of the goods requires electricity, which is also provided government. And of course, these goods need to be protected from theives and invading foreigners. While these benefits are indirect, they are real nonetheless.

              The rich receive a vastly disproportionate amount of the goods that would be impossible to produce without basic government services. So what is wrong with them paying a higher percentage for those services? This one reason Bobby Jindal fan's assertion it is unfair for the rich to have to pay for other peoples healthcare, education, etc. was ridiculous.

              Your positions appear to be much more moderate than his.
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              • Author by poproxx77 (April 12, 2010 11:53 am ET)
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                "What I mean is that the wealth the rich have cannot exist without their workers producing goods."

                I agree. However, it is not a one-way street. The workers benefit from being employed. The wealth the employees have (though smaller) could not exist without their employment.

                "These goods have to be shipped; they're not going to be shipped without government provided roads."

                Why not? Goods traveled around the world before government provided roads. Goods were far more scarce, and more expensive, and sometimes only the rich could afford them. Government roads have benefitted the poor by allowing them access to those goods at far cheaper prices. Again, an equal benefit.

                "The production of these goods requires an educated citizenry; something unattainable unless the government ensures, one way or another, that everyone is educated."

                Before public schools, people still worked in factories, still farmed, still learned to read, there were still doctors and lawyers, still accountants and hotel managers. I'm not arguing against the an educated populace, but it certainly wasn't necessary. There were private schools which the rich benefitted from and the poor didn't. in turn the poor continued working factory jobs, labor jobs, and made a far smaller salary. The wealthy were still wealthy, and they could educate their children, the poor couldn't. If anything the public school system has helped the poor more than the rich.

                "Corresponce is still very much dependent on postal service, which is provided by the government."

                How do the rich benefit more from subsidized postal services? Again this is not a new idea, correspondence services existed before the U.S postal services. It was more expensive and therefore again the rich were the primary beneficiaries of it. The poor it seems benefit from it services more than the rich.

                "The production of the goods requires electricity, which is also provided [by the] government."

                Everyone pays an electric bill, rich or poor. There are often subsidies for the poor who can't afford it, perhaps the rich use it to create wealth, but in so doing also provide services to the rest of the populace in turn. Therefor it is a benefit to all. Considering that the wealthy pay the majority of taxes in this country, it seems any government subsidy of electricity would also be paid for by the wealthy, and the poor would be the beneficiaries of that.

                "And of course, these goods need to be protected from theives and invading foreigners."

                At the very least this is neutral. Police and Firemen don't discriminate between rich and poor. (At least they aren't supposed to right?) If a poor person calls 911 the police respond, and likewise with a rich person. If a Mercedes is in an accident, the ambulance doesn't drive faster than if it was a 82' Ford Fiesta. (If they made them in 82').

                "The rich receive a vastly disproportionate amount of the goods that would be impossible to produce without basic government services."

                The poor are beneficiaries of the goods they produce. The poor are disproportionate in the services they receive from the government in regards to the taxes they pay. At the very least the poor are equal to the wealthy in regards to the production of goods. Unless you are talking about luxury items such as Yachts, the wealthy and the poor are on equal footing, one benefitting from the other, and both benefit equally (at least) from the government.

                "So what is wrong with them paying a higher percentage for those services?"

                I certainly don't have a problem with the wealthy paying more in taxes. I do have a problem with the idea the rich benefit more from government services than the poor.

                You could make the arguement that some of the rules benefit the wealthy, and allow for them to prey on the poor. Or you could argue that the system favors the rich in some ways. But government services like schools, roads, sewage, police benefit everyone equally. (At least) In some cases the poor benefit more, because they are getting them for free.

                "This one reason Bobby Jindal fan's assertion it is unfair for the rich to have to pay for other peoples healthcare, education, etc. was ridiculous."

                Again I agree. I don't have a problem with the rich supporting the government more than the poor. The problem is certainly not that. The problem is how much should the government provide, should the government provide healthcare, schools, roads, jails etc. Where do you say enough is enough?

                "While these benefits are indirect, they are real nonetheless."

                Again I agree, but for the poor as well as for the rich. Both derive benefits from the government, and it is certainly not in favor of the poor.

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                • Author by poproxx77 (April 12, 2010 11:54 am ET)
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                  :( ughh....obviously I didn't proof read this before I posted it. Foolish.
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        • Author by wookie (April 10, 2010 5:30 pm ET)
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          I thought you guys do your own policing through the Second ammendment? Why should we have to pay to protect your stuff?
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          • Author by Bobby Jindal fan (April 11, 2010 2:09 pm ET)
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            Bingo! I can protect my own stuff through the Second Amendment. I don't really need the police. I have a fence, an electric gate, a home security system, and guns. I really don't need police protection.
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            • Author by mikehuck1976 (April 11, 2010 3:54 pm ET)
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              OK, poproxx, here's another chance. Still want to defend the lunacy that is BJ? Feel free. Tell me again how he is NOT endorsing lawlessness.
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              • Author by Bobby Jindal fan (April 11, 2010 10:26 pm ET)
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                I am advocating taking responsiblity for oneself and not relying on others.

                If someone invades me home it will take the police at least five to ten minutes to arrive. This is plenty of time for the criminal to kill my entire family.

                I don't rely on the police - I rely upon myself. This is not advocating lawnessness - it is advocating personal responsibility.
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                • Author by poproxx77 (April 12, 2010 5:08 pm ET)
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                  I never defended Bobby. You were equating lawlessness and libertarian policy. You compared teh government of Somalia to Libertarians, when in fact, the 'somalian government' is hardly a government.

                  I wouldn't presume to defend the position that Bobby is taking. It sounds like he is taking a far more raddical view than I would, anarchy even. Every man for himself. A death match, Unreal Tournament in real life, that doesn't sound very appealing to me.
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      • Author by alienofwar (April 10, 2010 2:18 pm ET)
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        They don't decry the fact that the super rich went from paying 90% tax rate in the 50's and 60's to paying 35% today, thanks mostly to Reagan and Bush tax cuts. They don't decry the fact that 2/3rd of all U.S corporations pay no taxes at all. They don't decry when corporations send our jobs overseas, quadruple our health care premiums, hire cheap labor to replace us, dump toxins in our rivers, disregard work safety regulations and practically OWN our government!

        Right wing voters are distracted by non-controversies and non-scandals like ACORN, death panels, birth certificates, confiscation of guns, media bias, Socialism, etc.
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    • Author by Midnight Kevin (April 09, 2010 11:12 pm ET)
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      I would think that everybody pays taxes. Gas, sales, cigarette, etc.

      Just because it is not federal doesn't mean they don't fund government...
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      The Midnight Review
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    • Author by Porkeater (April 09, 2010 11:15 pm ET)
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      Anyway, i thought these firetruckers liked reducing taxes!??!
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      • Author by magnolialover (April 10, 2010 12:41 am ET)
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        THEIR taxed, not everyone else's.
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        • Author by angels4light (April 10, 2010 1:35 am ET)
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          They only say that because they want people to think they have a federal tax burden. What they have is an army of financial types that find every way to ensure that their $32M in income is shown with a negative in front of it, so that their client is OWED tax money, rather than owing it.
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    • Author by archae (April 09, 2010 11:24 pm ET)
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      Why not simplify it.

      Say "Hannity falsely says everything."
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    • Author by phredicles (April 10, 2010 12:03 am ET)
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      Do these people really no understand that "no income tax" is not the same as "no tax".

      I mean, I have gotten into arguments with self-identified "libertarians" who turned out to think only income taxes were really eeeeeeeeeevil - possibly because it's one of the few that isn't inherently regressive.
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      • Author by wookie (April 10, 2010 5:34 pm ET)
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        Actually most of the stuff the right carps about (unemployment, Social Security, Medicare) is taxed separately. So us non rich freeloaders are paying for it.
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    • Author by magnolialover (April 10, 2010 12:43 am ET)
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      Here's the thing Sean. We know what you're mad about. There are some folks in the country who don't have to pay taxes, but YOU do. That's the problem isn't it?

      Of course it is. Sean, you are one of the folks most loudly proclaiming your patriotism with your idiotic Great American Panel, and also talking about how great America is.

      How does America get great? How about, part of that, is through taxes. So, do your patriotic duty, and STFU and pay your taxes just like a lot of other people do.
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      • Author by Bobby Jindal fan (April 10, 2010 1:47 am ET)
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        America is great because of taxes. Boy do you have a perverted vision of America.

        Taxes are redistribution of wealth. I vote for whoever will tax me the least. WHy should I have to support other people.

        I am find with my tax money going to pay for F-16s, waterboards, and aid to Israel, but I resent moochers on food stamps and welfare. THey shoudl get out of the hammock and get a job.
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        • Author by pete592 (April 10, 2010 5:20 am ET)
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          "WHy should I have to support other people.

          I am find with my tax money going to pay for F-16s, waterboards, and aid to Israel"

          LMAO. All in the same breath.
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          • Author by rumpleteasermom (April 11, 2010 11:56 am ET)
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            I'm speechless myself.
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          • Author by rikntx (April 11, 2010 2:38 pm ET)
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            This person has got to be joking, right? I mean this really cannot be serious...right? Right?
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            • Author by DellDolly (April 12, 2010 1:17 pm ET)
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              Nope, he's not serious.

              He's a troll who mostly makes troll posts. He's got a persona he created that he supports.

              He tries to derail threads away from the actual topic to disrupt this site.

              It's the same thing mainstream Republicans do - they push disinformation so that our side has to waste time debunking their nonsense so that our national discourse isn't weighed down with actual discussions about the topics that SHOULD be concerning to us! Those on the right KNOW that they can't win on the facts - for example, healthcare reform. They knew that HCR was a great thing, a necessary idea whose time should have come years ago, but they were against it because they didn't want a Dem to successfully pass it! They weren't against it because it was a bad idea!

              And on this topic, it's actually a good thing that close to 50% of Americans don't pay any income taxes - it's really sad that close to half of our population makes so little money that they need every penny of it that's left over after other taxes and fees paid to support themselves and their families!

              And BJF can't let us talk about that! He can't let us talk about the fact that Hannity ignores that the poorest in our nation are still forced to pay many regressives taxes and fees.

              He's a caricature of a rightwinger, and it's done on purpose, because no rightwinger could win hardly any argument on the issues that face our nation.

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        • Author by dolfan (April 10, 2010 9:06 am ET)
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          You are a joke BJF! You used to get my blood pressure boiling. Now I just laugh at you! Nobody (as stoopid as your posts are) can be serious.
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        • Author by mikehuck1976 (April 10, 2010 12:24 pm ET)
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          Wow. So, now you are OK with your money going to Israel. Just not staying here. You may be the most ill-informed person I have ever read a written word from. My only question is - who helps you put your pants on each morning? You should really have around the clock supervision.
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        • Author by alienofwar (April 10, 2010 2:23 pm ET)
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          BJF is obviously fooling us with parody here.
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        • Author by hurricaneyankee52983 (April 11, 2010 4:01 am ET)
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          bjfool,the U.S.CONSTITUTION gives the GOVT the right to levy taxes and the deceide how to use the money. Get over it . Your ideas are brain dead.
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        • Author by newzhound (April 12, 2010 9:49 am ET)
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          BJF: According to the Tax Foundation, approximately half the folks making $10,000 per year or less pay income taxes.
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        • Author by newzhound (April 12, 2010 9:54 am ET)
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          BJF: Why do we have a strong central government, thanks to our Constitution, and not the Articles of Confederation? A primary reason is that under the Articles the Federal government couldn't raise revenue via taxes.
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        • Author by DellDolly (April 12, 2010 1:10 pm ET)
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          Taxes are great. Try living in a country that doesn't collect much in tax revenue - you'll come running back to civilized society really quick.

          It's a benefit to all of America to have a rising tide lift all boats, and the way we raise the boats of the lowest income Americans is by providing them with help via taxes collected from those who aren't at the bottom.

          And the American public supports a progressive tax structure, which means that those who earn a lot pay more, since they can afford it and their basic needs are well-met. Those who struggle to meet their basic needs pay little or no income tax, and that's the way the American public wants it!
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    • Author by ray1547518278 (April 10, 2010 1:17 am ET)
         
      Does The Media Intentionally Misslead Us--> Check this out--> (Updated with more content->3/20)Posted by Ray1547 on March 25, 2010 at 8:24pm
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      Here is an 1 example of the many responses I am receiving relative to this blog. This particular reply came via the forum so you will not find it here.->"Good topic. The question of our media is multifactorial but based on a single premise. Ever since Watergate our national media is no longer interested in providing news, they are providing opinion. Journalism is no longer a time honored profession of supplying information, it also implies its opinion."


      This blog is not about taxation as much as it is about the business of missinformation via the media. I use commonly heard taxation statistics simply because most of us have heard them so it becomes easier to comprehend the fact that the media does in fact missinform and that causes us to believe that the world around us is different than what it really is. In other words --> By having been missinformed for decades we have come to believe things that simply are not correct-- And that is NOT the way we need it to be! We can not allow ourselves to be lied to--Its that simple yet profound! The easiest way to illustrate my claim is to 1st use what is probably the 2 most prolifically heard, missinforming tax statistics on the planet.-> Follow along and learn. -->


      You ever hear the one about the top 10% paying 70% of the taxes paid? <--Not even close!-- Try about 30% 0f the taxes paid via the income tax while earning about 50% of all income earned! The 70% one commonly hears via the medias talking heads represents 70% X the 40% that the income tax provides relative to the 100% total revenues received! Does the media misslead us? I report-- U decide!<--Sound a little familiar? Then there is the often misstated stat claiming 1/2 of us pay no taxes at all so I ask who pays SS/Med if 100% of us pay into that slush fund. And then there is the commonly held belief that biz actually pays the expense of 1/2 of SS/Med and and all of W-comp and a slew of other government mandated expenses BUT -- HOLD ON--> Who reimburses biz the cost for having paid those expenses? I say biz merely FRONTS the cost of paying for these expenses! Remember only 1 thing-> Biz pays NO expense that is not reimbursed!<-Economics 101. Are we missled? Again--I reported--U decide?



      I say yes and I ask why does the media do this? Is it no longer a requirement for the media to report facts accurately?



      Reference the chart below to see the top 10% paid 71.22% of personal income taxes paid. The IRS tells us the income tax provides about 44% of all revenues received and that the top 10% earn about 50% of all adjusted gross income earned so simple math reveals the top 10% pay about 32% of all revenues received (NOT 70%) via the income tax while earning 50% of all income earned. Yes-They pay a little more via SS/Med but we all pay SS/Med and who pays what is not the issue here---> The world of missleading stats is the issue I am attempting to address. I provide the chart below from ntu.org for those that wish to do their own calculations.


      Who Pays Income Taxes and how much?

      Tax Year 2007
      Percentiles Ranked by AGI
      AGI Threshold on Percentiles
      Percentage of Federal Personal Income Tax Paid

      Top 1%
      $410,096
      40.42

      Top 5%
      $160,041
      60.63

      Top 10%
      $113,018
      71.22

      Top 25%
      $66,532
      86.59

      Top 50%
      $32,879
      97.11

      Bottom 50%
      <$32,879
      2.89

      Note: AGI is Adjusted Gross Income


      This post is not about who pays how much! This post is about WHY the media seems to have lost track of the fact that their main job function is to report things accurately without bias. If the media can not even accurrately report a statistic then who will? I fear the business of missinformation is a business we need to dig into and fix just as I feel Government is in dire need of a major overhaul. Is there a connection in there somewhere? Are we intentionally missled? ---> I do not know---> BUT I do want to find out why I am being missled---- as should we all! I say the media has a lot of explaining to do. What say you?I will be updating this blog as time passes so check back often and please go viral with this information.You will also be interested in my real world of tax stats blog because I dig deeper into the tax system than I do here because this blog is about the media. === GO VIRAL!!
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    • Author by angels4light (April 10, 2010 1:34 am ET)
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      but, but, but, but, you mean we pay things like sales tax, gasoline tax, some state taxes, property taxes, and so on? And here I thought we just pay no taxes at all because we don't make enough money to pay the federal income tax. Of course, the FICA and Medicare and disability taxes don't count either, because if we pay no federal income taxes we pay no taxes at all.
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    • Author by Bobby Jindal fan (April 10, 2010 1:49 am ET)
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      People who don't pay income taxes should not be allowed to vote. THe Constitution saysthe franchise can not be denied on account of sex, color, or age (if over 18), or failure to pay poll tax. However, it does not say the franchise can not be denied for failure to pay income taxes.

      Nobody should have the right to vote themselves more of another person's money.

      THis is BHO's great scheme. If less than 50% pay taxes,a majority who don't pay taxes can vote themselves more and more of my paycheck.

      This is tyranny of the majority. IT is no different from two men and one woman in a room holding a vote on whether to rape the woman. If the two men vote yes, this is democracy.

      This is absurd because people have inaliable individual rights. People have no right to vote themselves more of my money. I wish they would go to hell.
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      • Author by pete592 (April 10, 2010 5:01 am ET)
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        Piyush, your posts have become nothing more than a mishmash of trollish, immature antics. It's more worthwhile to ridicule you over your torturous thrashing of the English language than to address any point you're attempting to make. I readily overlook gaffes if I can debate with someone who makes their point with some level of intuition. But you've simply become blatantly juvenile, which pretty much revokes linguistic leniency in my book.

        "people have inaliable[sic] individual rights"
        Yeah. Shout that from the "bough" of your ship.
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        • Author by Bobby Jindal fan (April 10, 2010 1:21 pm ET)
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          You you are saying you can't possibly touch me on substance so you are reduced to pointing out typos. OK, got it.
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          • Author by Unreality (April 10, 2010 2:12 pm ET)
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            BJ,
            Debating you on substance is best described as a fool's errand. But I'm waiting for a temp study in the lab, so I'll play fool till the bell rings.

            I would wager that based upon your demonstrated level of education you are paying far more in FICA than income tax. 75% of Americans are in that category.

            Most Americans who complain about their tax withholding don't comprehend the distinctions between income tax and FICA. Hannity stirs them (perhaps you?) up because you don't know the trick he's playing.

            My income has ranged between $100-250K over the last decade, yet I pay more in FICA than income taxes. 2007 I paid next to zero income tax due to pretty big patent expenses and commercial real estate losses, but hit the limit in FICA. As self-employed, I paid 15.3% to max of $105K or about $16,000.

            Give us a range of your gross income. It would appear less than $35K a year, especially for the region of the country in which you live and educational level.

            Finally. You visualize poor and lazy people as the biggest moochers in our society. Your experience is extremely limited. I doubt you have ever sat on a board, whether at the PTA or a C corporation. You literally haven't traveled much in this country. nor do you demonstrate you've been outside this country.

            Guys like you are easily aroused to anger by the likes of Hannity who uses sleight of hand to distract you with poor people literally stealing pennies, and ignore guys like his boss Murdoch whose buddies slipped him more than a billion in free broadcast rights.

            The biggest moochers in our nation are crony capitalists. During the Bush/Cheney era these people redistributed $1.6 TRILLION from our kids and grandkids futures into their pockets. And that doesn't cover the $3 trillion in vigorish to medical insurers. And the $4 trillion in slush to military paperwork. I know the crony capitalists (no, they're not friends of mine) and occasionally sit in a room with them for charity events. Some actually got there through meritocracy, but most through inherited wealth, even here in Silicon Valley.

            Bell went off. Time to get back to the lab. Still working to save human lives.
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            • Author by Bobby Jindal fan (April 11, 2010 12:08 am ET)
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              I would wager that based upon your demonstrated level of education you are paying far more in FICA than income tax. 75% of Americans are in that category.


              I can assure you, this is not even close to the case. I pay federal income taxes, NY state income taxes, NY city income taxes, property taxes..........FICA is a drop in the bucket compared to the aforementioned.
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            • Author by Bobby Jindal fan (April 11, 2010 12:19 am ET)
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              Give us a range of your gross income. It would appear less than $35K a year, especially for the region of the country in which you live and educational level.


              I work in midtown Manhattan and I live in Fairfield County, Connecticut. This is the MOST expensive region of the entire country.

              I have a MA in Economics and a PhD in International Political Economy from the London School of Economics.

              I conduct econometric market analyses of Asian currency markets tailored to the needs to specific clients seeking to relocate in Asia.


              Take a wild stab - it is plenty to ensure that what I pay in FICA is a drop in the bucket compared to income taxes. I pay more in NY STATE and CITY income taxes than FICA and I don't even live in New York.
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            • Author by Bobby Jindal fan (April 11, 2010 12:50 am ET)
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              You literally haven't traveled much in this country. nor do you demonstrate you've been outside this country.


              I lived in England for five years. A student concession Eurail pass and Ryan Air can get you anywhere you want on the continent for a relatively inexpensive sum. I am a citizen of the Republic of Ireland. I spent six months in Australia and six weeks in Quito.

              I guess you are just as off in your estimate of my passport stamps as you are about my job and education.
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              • Author by papa bear3 (April 11, 2010 6:18 am ET)
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                I think it is called "recon by fire"
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                • Author by Bobby Jindal fan (April 11, 2010 2:16 pm ET)
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                  The above poster claimed I make under $35K (the mere fact that I work in NY belies this). He claimed that I live in some rural hicktown (obviously untrue) and have no education.

                  His post was far off base in every aspect of his claim. I have no problem with people disagreeing with me, but I like them to do so using REAL facts - no things they conconcted out of whole cloth.
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                  • Author by Unreality (April 11, 2010 3:01 pm ET)
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                    So BJ,
                    You've been sandbagging us all along by playing stupid.
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                    • Author by MiniTru (April 11, 2010 3:28 pm ET)
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                      He hasn't been playing.

                      I also don't believe a word of his alleged work "experience."
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                      • Author by Bobby Jindal fan (April 11, 2010 3:45 pm ET)
                        2 2
                        What work experience have I claimed. I said I have a job.
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                    • Author by Bobby Jindal fan (April 11, 2010 3:32 pm ET)
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                      I can't carried away with hyperbole and I often take the bait of some of the intellectual lightweights here when they try to drag me into the mud with their character assassination games.

                      That said, I am knowledgeable about Austrian economics. Nobody has ever posted anything contradicting this.
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                      • Author by mikehuck1976 (April 11, 2010 3:59 pm ET)
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                        Perhaps you should spend a little less time on Austrian economics and a little more time figuring out why America has law enforcement. I do not care where you claim to have lived or went to school, your ignorance of basic American civics is the most impressive thing about you.
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              • Author by MazingerZetto (April 11, 2010 12:21 pm ET)
                   
                Based upon your simplistic view of life, I have serious doubts about all these claims.

                Additionally, your faith that even with a super majority, Republicans are going to create your conservative utopia. What about the federal funds your hero Bachmann accepts for her farm? SOCIALIZED CROPS.
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          • Author by pete592 (April 10, 2010 4:22 pm ET)
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            Substance I can respond to, but it has to be present in order for me to do so.
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            • Author by pete592 (April 10, 2010 4:26 pm ET)
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              BTW, omitting an entire syllable of "inalienable" indicates a deeper unfamiliarity than just spelling.
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          • Author by MazingerZetto (April 11, 2010 12:14 pm ET)
               
            What substance? "Tyranny of the majority?" Again, if you have issues with the direction of the majority, emigrate.

            Just finished my taxes, and I didn't mind paying them, because at the end of the day, I can still afford my way of life. I realize, through several more unfortunate siblings, that life is harder the further down the pay scale you are.
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      • Author by PurpleState (April 10, 2010 7:30 am ET)
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        People do pay taxes. Some just gets returned to them on April 15.
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      • Author by New Frontier (April 10, 2010 10:42 am ET)
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        IT is no different from two men and one woman in a room holding a vote on whether to rape the woman
        Wingnuts' fondness of "rape" metaphor once again. Creepy.
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      • Author by worrierking (April 10, 2010 12:18 pm ET)
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        "I wish they would go to hell."

        Why, so you'll have more company when you arrive?
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      • Author by mikehuck1976 (April 10, 2010 12:25 pm ET)
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        This is tyranny of the majority. - BJ

        It is almost breathtaking to imagine how ignorant you have to be to type that and feel good about it.
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        • Author by rikntx (April 11, 2010 2:46 pm ET)
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          It is almost breathtaking to imagine how ignorant you have to be to type that and feel good about it.


          I'm sorry, I know it is rude of me and the above will likely be lost on the target, but that statement caused me to laugh out loud.
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      • Author by nmdem (April 10, 2010 7:05 pm ET)
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        So...when you filed your income taxes (unless your one of those libertarian militia peoples who think the govt can't collect taxes) did you owe taxes or get a refund. I'm guessing most of these f@@ls got a refund and then complain about their tax burden.
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        • Author by Bobby Jindal fan (April 11, 2010 2:45 am ET)
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          I absolutely positively OWED. I always OWE. I do not want to float the government an interest free loan.

          People who get a refund are dumb. They are allowing the government to collect interest on THEIR money that they overpaid, instead of collectint the interest themselves.

          I have told my accountant that she will be fired if I ever get a tax refund.
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          • Author by Refresh (April 11, 2010 1:14 pm ET)
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            I have told my accountant that she will be fired if I ever get a tax refund.
            Your accountant now has incentive to make sure you don't get a refund even if you were supposed to get one. It is in her best interest to work the numbers so that you don't get a refund. Maybe a missed credit here, some small write-off over looked there, nice job BJ fan.
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            • Author by Bobby Jindal fan (April 11, 2010 1:40 pm ET)
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              Except that she has been doing my family's taxes for 30 years and I trust her.
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              • Author by Refresh (April 11, 2010 7:17 pm ET)
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                Doing your family's taxes for 30 years, gained your trust, and yet you'd fire her if you got a refund one year. Good stuff. Keep talking BJfan.
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          • Author by ConstanceRifleII (April 12, 2010 3:07 pm ET)
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            You know, a lot of people don't make enough to put the money away that should go to taxes.

            Instead, behavioral economics suggest that getting a tax refund is actually healthy for the working underclass. Getting that lump sum back gives one an economic incentive to pay down debt, put a down payment on a house or car, or purchase large items like a new refrigerator or dishwasher.
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      • Author by n'est-ce pas (April 11, 2010 1:45 am ET)
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        THe Constitution saysthe franchise can not be denied on account of sex, color, or age (if over 18), or failure to pay poll tax. However, it does not say the franchise can not be denied for failure to pay income taxes.

        The 15th Amendment doesn't mention poll taxes. Poll taxes, as well as literacy tests and all the other conventional barriers to the franchies, were prohibited by the National Voting Rights Act of 1965.

        Besides the obviously repugnant twist your brain took on this one, how did you think you would enforce a barrier to the vote for 50% of the populace? I'm curious how long you think that would last, as several studies have shown that the lower classes also own most of the guns and have shown a prediliction for using them. Just sayin'.
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        • Author by Bobby Jindal fan (April 11, 2010 1:39 pm ET)
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          The 15th Amendment doesn't mention poll taxes


          See the 24th Amendment. TIme to brush up on your COnstitution.
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          • Author by n'est-ce pas (April 11, 2010 2:40 pm ET)
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            Ah. I stand corrected. But you need to address the incredible statement that people who don't make enough money to pay Federal income tax shouldn't be allowed to vote.
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            • Author by mikehuck1976 (April 11, 2010 4:01 pm ET)
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              Good luck. He also stated we do not need law enforcement in this country. Clearly, he has spent too much time attempting to put together an impressive resume to impress us all and too little time figuring out how our government actually works.
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    • Author by Les Philling (April 10, 2010 2:05 am ET)
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      "What does that mean for America if you have a voting electorate that's not paying any taxes?" - Sean Hannity

      -- Other side of the coin: What does that mean for America if you have a voting electorate that's not able to make enough money to pay "any" taxes?



      "So we -- and it seems like, at this point, what incentive is there going to be for the people that are paying taxes?" - Sean Hannity

      -- By definition they're making more use of what the taxes purchase by virtue of their relative success, such as how a successful businessman makes disproportionate use of the court system as well as the police to protect their interests locally and the military overseas. Fox depends on all the homes having been wired for electricity for example.
      -- They likely didn't get to their relative level of success without a lot of help from a family which gave them a better shot with a safe neighborhood to grow up in with good schools, good medical and dental care, etc. And that family had a much better chance of being able to provide very well for their kids if they were of one race, creed or color versus another (and that family's family going back). America is NOT a meritocracy and those deluded rugged-individualist Foxbots shouldn't feel so smug about their economic station in life.
      -- Without those people in a class lower than them around, they would feel less successful, less dominant, and less safe in times of war which the lower classes fight in disproportionately, and disproportionately for the interests of the wealthy. Also they buy a lot of what the wealthy sell, if they have the money, although there is a growing disconnect from American businesses to the American consumer thanks to globalization.
      -- If the less well connected, the less well born, the less successful had to pay as much taxes as Hannity and his masters would like, the likelihood would increase of a political or even violent change in the class order to the detriment of the wealthy. (This is what Hannity is being paid to dissuade the masses from thinking about doing.)
      -- If they're truly Christian and wealthy, they wouldn't mind paying more to the extent it's spent in accord with New Testament teachings. But the Fox crowd is watching to rationalize their nominal Christianity into real Christianity.
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    • Author by Unreality (April 10, 2010 4:12 am ET)
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      75% of Americans pay more in FICA than income taxes. For every $100 in income taxes collected, Americans pay $80 in FICA.

      Hannity and his fellow-travelers in disinformation don't want you to know that you can pay zero in income tax, and still pay full FICA amount up to $106,800.

      It's actually not too difficult for self-employed with high Schedule A reductions such as mortgage and medical expenses.


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    • Author by terrapin53 (April 10, 2010 11:20 am ET)
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      yet ol Sean will defend corporate subsidies and double dipping on the drug bill subsidies.
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    • Author by newzhound (April 10, 2010 11:30 am ET)
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      Here are some Fun Tax Fax you aren't going to hear from the liar Sheer "Am i An Idiot?" InSannity:

      #1. The top 50% of people in the US who file income tax returns collect almost 90% of the income. Why is it the least bit surprising that the people who make the most money pay the most in taxes? Even Sen. McCain has said that makes sense.

      We should ask ourselves - as others here have done - just how is it possible that half the folks collect 90% of the money? But that's another story.

      #2. By historic measures Americans today are not as heavily taxed as we have been in the past. The right wing nutz scream about paying too much in taxes - they don't have the facts. Again.

      #3. According to the GAO, half the corporations in America pay no income taxes. $0. Period.

      #4. The percentage of Federal government revenue paid by corporations via income tax vs. the percentage paid by individuals is declining. Corporations pay less, individuals pay more.

      #5. President Ronald Reagan raised personal income taxes.

      And #6 - the Bonus Fact - The Boston Tea Party was held because the British government lowered the import duty on tea. The Colonists objected to a reduced revenue tax because they thought it was unfair! Of course, they also objected to taxation without representation. But we took care of that in 1776 and 1789.
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    • Author by Refresh (April 10, 2010 12:04 pm ET)
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      They keep mentioning who is not paying taxes without putting up any dollar amounts. Show me the before and after tax income for the wealthiest group, then show me the before and after tax income for the middle class group. Why keep these numbers out of the debate?
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      • Author by fantagor (April 10, 2010 4:14 pm ET)
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        The right's battle cry against the "freeloaders" gets squelched when you throw actual numbers into play, such as the average income of the bottom 50% of would-be income tax payers in 2007 was just over $15,000. That's comes out to $1,250/month. And while these people pay no income taxes, they paid 7.65% of that $15,000 in FICA taxes, or $95.63/month. And if they live in Illinois, they also paid (after the standard deduction of $2,000) 3% on $12,000 or another $30/month.

        Then if they live in Cook County, where the sales taxes are 10%, that's easily another $300 in taxes, if they spend $500/month on groceries (taxed at a lower rate) and other sales taxable goods. So deduct another $25/month from sales taxes. That leaves them $1,098.37/month to pay rent, utilities, food, clothes and other expenses, one of which isn't health insurance. No, they are going without. But of course, according to Sean, these people have it easy because they pay no taxes.

        Randy
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        • Author by fantagor (April 10, 2010 7:36 pm ET)
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          I expect as much from the self-righteous right wing fly-by negative troll. Mission accomplished if I spoiled his meal. It's hard to wallow in one's sense of entitlement with the bitter aftertaste of truth staining one's tongue.

          Randy
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        • Author by GreenLantern (April 11, 2010 12:49 am ET)
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          This is what I love about MMFA. You can put out facts and undisputed numbers, draw logical conclusions, put the information in such a way that even very slow people can understand, then you get a thumbs down.
          (With no reason or rebuttal)
          Very well put, and this information should really get out there a lot more!

          Thanks fantagor! :)
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          • Author by n'est-ce pas (April 11, 2010 1:25 am ET)
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            The hell? Did you, perhaps, post something abusive? I can't seem to find any other post under your monicker in this thread.
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            • Author by Refresh (April 11, 2010 2:14 am ET)
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              He's talking about the thumbs down on fantagor's post. fantagor's post laid out facts and data relevant to the discussion and in a very understandable way yet received a thumbs down. I think that's what GreenLantern was talking about.
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    • Author by Tiredog (April 10, 2010 2:15 pm ET)
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      Hannity's numbers stink...because he's pulling them out of someplace we won't mention here.
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    • Author by politeradical (April 11, 2010 4:02 pm ET)
      2 2
      Sorry to nitpick, but a better story would be reporting on when the "great American" actually tells the truth.

      Nah, you're right, then nothing would ever be written.
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