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Quick Fact: O'Reilly advances myth that DADT repeal will "cause a lot of morale problems"

April 21, 2010 9:28 pm ET — 16 Comments

On The O'Reilly Factor, Bill O'Reilly advanced the falsehood that repealing "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" would "cause a lot of morale problems" in the military. Studies of other countries show that allowing gay men and lesbians to serve openly does not affect morale.

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From the April 21 edition of Fox News Channel's The O'Reilly Factor:

Pretty vicious on the far left, but I'm not sure why these people are even bothering. As he said, he is against Don't Ask, Don't Tell. They are going to revoke it. They are just trying to figure it out with the military. And the military basically is saying we know. Hey, look, if you do this, particularly in Iraq and Afghanistan, it's going to cause a lot of morale problems. Whether you like it or not, people don't want openly gay soldiers or Marines in the barracks and it's going to cause problems.

Fact: Studies show allowing gay men and lesbians to serve openly does not affect morale

At least 25 nations -- including many U.S. allies -- allow military service by openly gay men and lesbians. According to the Palm Center, a think tank at the University of California-Santa Barbara that studies sexuality and the military, as of February 2010, 25 nations allowed military service by openly gay men and lesbians, including U.S. allies Australia and Israel and the following NATO member countries: Belgium, Canada, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, France, Germany, Italy, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Norway, Slovenia, Spain, and the United Kingdom.

GAO: Other countries say allowing gay men and lesbians to serve openly "has not created problems in the military." In a June 1993 report to Congress, the Government Accountability Office (GAO) studied four countries that allow gay men and lesbians to serve in the military -- Canada, Israel, Germany, and Sweden -- and found that military officials said "the presence of homosexuals has not created problems in the military because homosexuality is not an issue in the military or in society at large." It also found that "[m]ilitary officials from each country said that, on the basis of their experience, the inclusion of homosexuals in their militaries has not adversely affected unit readiness, effectiveness, cohesion, or morale." GAO wrote that it chose those four countries to study because they "generally reflect Western cultural values yet still provide a range of ethnic diversity" and have similarly sized militaries.

Palm Center: "No consulted expert anywhere in the world concluded that lifting the ban on openly gay service caused an overall decline in the military." In a February 2010 report, the Palm Center reviewed the experience of the 25 nations whose militaries allow gay men and lesbians to serve and found: "Research has uniformly shown that transitions to policies of equal treatment without regard to sexual orientation have been highly successful and have had no negative impact on morale, recruitment, retention, readiness or overall combat effectiveness. No consulted expert anywhere in the world concluded that lifting the ban on openly gay service caused an overall decline in the military."

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    • Author by Refresh (April 21, 2010 9:44 pm ET)
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      When they say "morale" problems what do they mean specifically? Do they mean troops will be sad? Mad? Dishonest? Less disciplined? What exactly do they think will happen?

      When they say "unit cohesion," what exactly do they mean? Will troops not trust each other or turn on each other? They throw out these terms without ever stating exact actions that will occur.
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      • Author by Refresh (April 21, 2010 9:48 pm ET)
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        When O'Reilly says it will cause "problems," what specifically does he think will happen? Will straight soldiers attack or bully gay soldiers? Will gay soldiers make passes at or come on to other soliders? Will straight soldiers refuse to sleep in the same quarters with gay soldiers? What are the exact actions that he says will occur?
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        • Author by achrispage6992 (April 22, 2010 7:28 am ET)
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          Well, with all of O'Reilly's vast experience being in a military unit which includes "combat" I'm guessing that he is speaking anectdotally. I mean, who better to forge an opinion on this matter than someone who has served honorably by wearing the uniform and bringing it back with blood on it. Oh wait! O'Reilly took deferrments during Vietnam. He never had the courage to participate in the military. Oh well, he's still O'Reilly and let's not forget he was down in Argentina and El Salvador and got shot at. So don't think we know what it's like to been down where he has been. He's a military expert.
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      • Author by pete592 (April 21, 2010 9:55 pm ET)
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        O'Reilly and other right-wing professional liars who never served in the military are under some impression that the troops don't already know, or at least suspect, who in their unit is gay, if anyone.
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        • Author by afriend (April 22, 2010 7:52 am ET)
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          O'Reilly and other right-wing professional liars who never served in the military are under some impression that the troops don't already know, or at least suspect, who in their unit is gay, if anyone.

          Usually those who continue to raise these anti-gay sentiments, especially from the Right, come out as gay. I'm just saying....
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      • Author by ChockoRocko (April 23, 2010 1:09 am ET)
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        He means that it will cause morale problems at Fox News, as the wingnuts lose yet again! Go Obama Go!
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    • Author by pete592 (April 21, 2010 9:44 pm ET)
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      Hey, we better listen to O'Reilly. He's been in combat, and he has/had a nephew in the military. He knows what he's talking about.
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    • Author by bintx (April 21, 2010 9:55 pm ET)
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      I don't understand this . . . there are gay troops ALREADY. Everyone knows it . . . they get along just fine until a homophobe decides to turn one of the gay troops IN to the commanders. The only thing that repeal of DADT would change would be to allow the gay troops to quit living a lie.

      Stupid logic.
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    • Author by phredicles (April 21, 2010 10:25 pm ET)
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      He's talking about his own morale: Respecting the contributions of gay Americans to our society would just be a massive bummer for the self-righteously bigoted.
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    • Author by DellDolly (April 22, 2010 12:54 am ET)
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      If it hurts the morale of a few homophobic heterosexual or closeted gays, then those people who are homophobic are the problem and are the ones who should be kicked out of the Army. We don't let racists control whether or not we have blacks in the service! We don't let men decide that women can't serve any more.
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    • Author by fishnetdiver (April 22, 2010 6:19 am ET)
         
      I have nothing but respect for anyone who puts on the uniform and is willing to put their life on the line so that i can sit and play on my computer without fear. THANK YOU!

      that said: I'm not sure Dennis is the right one to be commenting about this. I'm not saying he may be biased...I'm just saying the opening to his HBO series was a bunch of half-naked, oiled-up beefcakes flexing around to a Tears for Fears song. Just sayin'...
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    • Author by timesthree (April 22, 2010 7:49 am ET)
         
      People who feel threatened by homosexuals are insecure about their own sexuality.
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    • Author by aerdna (April 22, 2010 11:07 am ET)
         
      but...but...we're the US, we're far better than the rest of the world, right? We know best, right Sean? Screw what everyone else does across the globe, we're #1, cause we said so!!!!
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    • Author by newzhound (April 22, 2010 4:31 pm ET)
         
      Hey! Bull O'Really? has been in combat! He knows about this stuff.

      MM4A better watch it!

      You betcha!
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    • Author by bludog1 (April 23, 2010 8:02 am ET)
         
      I guess impact on morale of military depends on definition, but it appears that at least two fairly highly ranked military men have reservations about the repeal:
      Army Chief of Staff Gen. George Casey said at a Senate hearing today on "Don't Ask, Don't Tell":
      "I do have serious concerns about the impact of a repeal of the law on a force that is fully engaged in two wars and has been at war for eight-and-a-half years. We just don't know the impacts on readiness and military effectiveness."

      The New York Times reports that the Air Foce Chief of Staff Gen. Norton Schwartz also expressed concerns Tuesday about repeal: "This is not the time to perturb the force that is, at the moment, stretched by demands in Iraq and Afghanistan and elsewhere without careful deliberation."

      Source: quick Google search.
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