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Fox trumpets Limbaugh's baseless accusation that Obama has "something" against "cops"

April 30, 2010 12:33 pm ET — 50 Comments

Following the passage of the Arizona immigration bill, Fox News amplified Rush Limbaugh's accusation that President Obama's concern about Arizona's immigration bill leading to racial profiling was taking "a shot ... at the cops" by asking if Obama has "something against cops." In fact, Obama's concerns over the legislation are shared by many law enforcement officials, and many experts and Fox News figures have confirmed that racial profiling is a likely result of the bill.

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Limbaugh, Fox, distort Obama's concern over racial profiling to claim he is "attack[ing] the police"

Limbaugh: "This is a shot, make no mistake about it, ladies and genlemen, at the cops." On the April 28 edition of his nationally syndicated radio show, Limbaugh claimed that "Barack Obama, ladies and gentlemen, I don't know -- he's got something in for the cops, there's no question" and quoted Obama saying of the Arizona immigration law: "[S]uddenly if you don't have your papers and you took your kid out to get ice cream, you're going to be harassed, that's something that could potentially happen, I -- that's not the right way to go." Limbaugh responded: "So that's his argument, to create a phony hypothetical where families getting ice cream are hassled by stupid, bigoted policemen. ... So Obama's now not satisfied with just attacking a state. He has to attack their police as well. I'll tell you what's poorly conceived here is Obama's views on the cops. He thinks all these cops are going to act stupidly. This is an outrageous answer; this is an outrageous thing." Limbaugh concluded, "Once again, this is a shot, make no mistake about it, ladies and gentlemen, at the cops."

Fox Nation: "Does Obama Have Something Against Cops?" On April 29, Fox Nation posted a Newsmax article about Limbaugh's comments under the headline, "Does Obama Have Something Against Cops?" From the Fox Nation:

Fox & Friends: "Lack of Faith in Law Enforcement?" On the April 30 edition of Fox News' Fox & Friends, co-host Gretchen Carlson teased an upcoming panel discussion by saying, "Rush Limbaugh says that Obama is throwing cops under the bus." During the following discussion, Carlson summarized Obama's remarks by saying, "President Obama criticized Arizona's new immigration law, even suggesting it could lead to police harassment," and asked, "Is the president jumping to conclusions when it comes to possible abuse of power?" After guest Tamara Holder defended Obama's remarks by saying: "This is a way of racial profiling. Whatever you want to say, this is a way of finding any Mexican and determining whether or not they are here illegally. And that's just the way that this law is going to work," Carlson responded, "You actually believe the police are going to make it their -- just tunnel vision -- I'm out to find a Mexican today?" During the segment, on-screen text said, "Lack of Faith in Law Enforcement? Assumptions Made Over Abuse of Power":

But many law enforcement officials have also expressed this concern and others over the bill

Time: "Arizona Law Enforcement Split on Immigration Crackdown." An April 30 Time magazine article noted that while some law enforcement officers in Arizona support the bill, "[T]he association of police chiefs from around the state does have serious objections to SB1070, the controversial new state law that requires police to ask for papers from anyone they suspect is in the country illegally." One of the law enforcement officials opposed to the bill was "Chief John Harris of Sahuarita, Ariz., who is the current president of the Arizona Association of Chiefs of Police," who "said that he opposed the law before Governor Jan Brewer signed it, and still does today. He listed his objections: Immigration has traditionally been a federal issue, and they already have 'manpower and budget issues' that will only get worse under the law. 'If we then arrest [illegals] on state charges, who will pay?' he asked. He's also concerned that victims may not report crimes to his officers. And finally, the threat of lawsuits -- any citizen may sue a police officer or department for impeding the enforcement of immigration laws -- makes him leery."

Mesa Police chief: SB 1070 would require "people to prove their innocence" before being charged with a crime. The Arizona Republic reported that Mesa Police Chief Frank Milstead said the legislation "would essentially require 'people to prove their innocence' before even charged with a crime." He also said he was concerned over the potential costs to enforce the law.

AZ Republic: Police chiefs said officers "will have to make immigration enforcement their first priority over every other type of crime." The Arizona Republic reported on April 22 that SB 1070 "requires local law-enforcement agencies to enforce federal immigration law to the fullest extent permitted by federal law" and "would allow Arizonans to sue agencies if they don't believe an agency is complying with the law." The article further reported:

Police chiefs who oppose the bill have said these requirements will mean officers will have to make immigration enforcement their first priority over every other type of crime.

They may have to wait around for federal Immigration and Customs Enforcement to verify a suspect's immigration status and possibly transport a suspect to jail to be held until that status can be determined.

The chiefs also say the bill offers no additional funding to train officers in how to judge reasonable suspicion or otherwise enforce federal laws.

"This will further impact police departments already lacking the resources to do their basic job," said former Mesa Police Chief George Gascón, who now leads the San Francisco Police Department.

Arizona police chiefs: SB 1070 interferes with police work. The Arizona Association of Chiefs of Police stated that SB 1070 "will negatively affect the ability of law enforcement agencies across the state to fulfill their many responsibilities in a timely manner."

Yuma County sheriff: "We don't have enough people to be doing what we're supposed to be doing anyway." Yuma County Sheriff Ralph Ogden opposed the passage of SB 1070, citing the cost of detaining individuals and a " '12 percent reduction in force availability' for each incident, where a deputy would be tied up investigating someone's immigration status," according to a Phoenix New Times post. The post further reported that Ogden stated, "[I]f you start spending less time on property crimes and personal crimes, you don't want to do that":

"We're like everybody else," explained Ogden, who's in his fourth term as Yuma County Sheriff. "We don't have enough people to be doing what we're supposed to be doing anyway. But you have to prioritize. And if you start spending less time on property crimes and personal crimes, you don't want to do that."

Ogden was also concerned with another provision of the Pearce legislation that would grant a private right of action for a citizen to sue a law enforcement agency if that person believes that the agency is not pursuing immigration violations to "the full extent permitted by federal law."

Colorado Springs chief: Bill could delay officers' response to "shots-fired call." The Arizona Republic reported that Colorado Springs Chief Richard Myers "said Arizona residents may not like what that enforcement looks like" and quoted him saying, "If I have a shots-fired call or the potential to stop someone who might be checked for documented status, I'm going to do that before I respond to shots fired because I won't get sued if don't respond to shots fired."

Sacramento Police chief: The law "essentially legislates racial profiling. ... No other law in the country allows citizens to sue a government agency for not arresting enough people." The San Francisco Chronicle reported on April 22 that former Sacramento Police Chief Arturo Venegas said the bill "essentially legislates racial profiling, putting police in the middle of the train tracks to face an onslaught of civil-rights violations lawsuits." Venegas further stated, "No other law in the country allows citizens to sue a government agency for not arresting enough people."

Police union rep: SB 1070 "could eat up a lot of manpower and cost a lot of money." The (Phoenix) East Valley Tribune reported that "[p]olice unions representing the rank-and-file officers, although not opposed to the bill, believe it could create manpower challenges during a time of budget reductions and are also concerned about potential lawsuits the law could bring, according to Bryan Soller, president of the Fraternal Order of Police Mesa Lodge's No. 9, which represents 600 officers." The article further quoted Soller as saying: "If we're getting hammered with calls, is a misdemeanor (trespassing by an illegal immigrant) more important than a stabbing or shooting? ... No. The problem with this law is that it's an unfunded mandate and could eat up a lot of manpower and cost a lot of money."

Major Cities Chiefs Association: AZ law could harm "trust and cooperation between local police and immigrant communities." USA Today reported that San Jose Police Chief Robert Davis, president of the Major Cities Chiefs Association, "said the group stands by its 2006 policy that 'immigration enforcement by local police would likely negatively effect and undermine the level of trust and cooperation between local police and immigrant communities.' "

Former Mesa Police chief: "People will be more hesitant to report crimes." The Arizona Republic reported that former Mesa Police Chief George Gascón "said the bill also will have 'catastrophic impacts on community policing.' " The report further quoted Gascon as stating, "People will be more hesitant to report crimes, and that will create some very, very tough circumstances for local police in dealing with crime issues in areas heavily visited by people here from other countries."

Many other experts share Obama's concern regarding the potential for profiling

U.S. Civil Rights commissioner: SB 1070 targets people "simply because of their resemblance to other individuals who may be in the country illegally." Michael Yaki, attorney and member of the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights, wrote on April 26:

What this law does, without question, is target individuals for special treatment by law enforcement simply because of their resemblance to other individuals who may be in the country illegally. It attempts to skirt the federal pre-emption argument by simplying putting more people into the potential federal holding pen and letting ICE sort it all out. But the law, by its very wording, cannot distinguish between an American, a green card holder, and an undocumented person without first subjecting that person to a wholly different level and standard of identification and presumption of guilt.

James Doty: New law is "vulnerable to the argument that it essentially criminalizes walking while Hispanic." Lawyer James Doty wrote on April 26 that "no one has come up" with an answer to the question, "What do illegal immigrants look like?" that doesn't invoke ethnicity. Doty further wrote: "The new law, on its face, doesn't make racial distinctions, but its supporters haven't articulated any other grounds for suspecting that someone is an unlawful resident. It is, therefore, vulnerable to the argument that it essentially criminalizes walking while Hispanic," and that "the law seems to require that officers demand documentation from suspected aliens based on mere hunches -- a clear violation of the Constitution."

ACLU of Arizona: "To avoid arrest, citizens and immigrants will effectively have to carry their 'papers' at all times." The American Civil Liberties Union of Arizona stated on April 23 that SB 1070 "creates new immigration crimes and penalties inconsistent with those in federal law, asserts sweeping authority to detain and transport persons suspected of violating civil immigration laws and prohibits speech and other expressive activity by persons seeking work." ACLU of Arizona further stated that the law "requires police agencies across Arizona to investigate the immigration status of every person they come across whom they have 'reasonable suspicion' to believe is in the country unlawfully. To avoid arrest, citizens and immigrants will effectively have to carry their 'papers' at all times."

AILA executive director: SB 1070 effectively "compels law enforcement to conduct racial profiling of all people in the state, including U.S. citizens." In an April 15 statement, the American Immigration Lawyers Association (AILA) said:

The Arizona bill would require state law enforcement agents to question individuals about their immigration status if the officer has a "reasonable suspicion" that they are undocumented. An individual who cannot provide proof of legal status would be subject to arrest. According to [AILA executive director Crystal] Williams, "In effect, the act compels law enforcement to conduct racial profiling of all people in the state, including U.S. citizens. People will be questioned and detained for looking foreign.

University of Arizona law professor: "If you look Mexican or Hispanic or Asian or Black, then you should carry ID." University of Arizona law professor Gabriel Chin responded to the question, "Do I need to have my ID card on me at all times in case an officer suspects I'm in the country illegally?" by stating:

If the person was born in Mexico and doesn't have satisfactory identification, I would think there is probable cause to arrest that person for violation of this section: There is evidence they are not a U.S. citizen (foreign birth), they do not have any evidence they are authorized to live in the United States. ... I would say the answer is: If you look Mexican or Hispanic or Asian or Black, then you should carry ID because there's already some evidence that you could fall into this category.

When asked, "What constitutes 'reasonable suspicion' that a person might be in the country illegally?" Chin stated:

If police see someone speaking Spanish, who appears to be Mexican, is in a Mexican neighborhood, they know from other situations this is a neighborhood where a high number of people are undocumented, that certainly looks like a basis to inquire.

Many Fox News figures have also admitted the law leads to racial profiling

Crowder: "You're not looking for a blond-haired, blue-eyed Swede most of the time." During the April 23 edition of Fox News' Hannity, Fox News contributor Steven Crowder said that there's racial profiling in the law and, "I don't think there's really anything wrong as far as racial profiling, stopping people who are coming in illegally. I mean, you're not looking for a blond-haired, blue-eyed Swede most of the time." Crowder claimed, "It's a brilliant move from Obama politically because he's promised all these entitlements and he wants to make sure this huge voting bloc knows that they're going to get some gimmes as well."

Gutfeld: Racial profiling a no-brainer. On the April 21 edition of Fox News' Hannity, Red Eye host Greg Gutfeld said of the law: "A lot of the critics are saying this is racial profiling. Duh! They're coming from another country. That's what you do. You have to look at them and see who they are before you know they're legal or illegal. I don't think that's a fair criticism."

Gallagher dismisses racial profiling concerns. On the April 23 edition of his Salem Radio program, radio host and Fox News contributor Mike Gallagher told Fox News Sunday host Chris Wallace, "Sign it, baby, sign it," and that the Arizona Legislature is his "new hero." After Wallace noted concerns about civil liberties, Gallagher said that "it's racial profiling, to be sure, cops know if there's a van full of dark-skinned men with lawnmowers packed into the back of a pick-up truck ... that's what they're talking about."

Hume defends profiling: "Some people are going to have to endure inconvenience as opposed to everybody." On the April 19 edition of The O'Reilly Factor, Fox News senior political analyst Brit Hume appeared to dismiss concerns about racial profiling, stating: "If it's an effective law enforcement technique done in good faith, people may have to endure some inconvenience. What we're saying here is that some people are going to have endure inconvenience, as opposed to everybody having to endure it."

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    • Author by bintx (April 30, 2010 1:03 pm ET)
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      That's pretty funny considering that the first lawsuit against the Arizona law was filed by a police officer. Guess he forgot to check with Limbaugh before he filed it.
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      • Author by afriend (April 30, 2010 1:16 pm ET)
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        so what are the saying, the cop is anti-cop? It would be just like the Right, who have a history of attacking soldiers who do not agree with their anti-American positions.
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        • Author by The_Cat (April 30, 2010 8:55 pm ET)
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          Could this lead to 'swift-badging' law enforcement officials who run for office, I wonder?
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    • Author by NiceguyEddie (April 30, 2010 1:12 pm ET)
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      He thinks all these cops are going to act stupidly.

      If that's "act[ing] stupidly" then how, pray tell, does one enforce this law intelligently? It's not "stupid" it's EXACTLY WHAT THE LAW MADATES!

      The only stupid ones here are the one that are buying the nonsense that Limbaugh and company are spewing in defense of the law.

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      IMHO
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    • Author by afriend (April 30, 2010 1:14 pm ET)
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      The ridiculous Arizona law has a provision that allows any Arizona citizen the right to bring suit against a cop if he/she doesn't enforce the law. Now, who is supporting such an asinine, anti-law enforcement law, the Left or the Right.
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      • Author by egb (April 30, 2010 1:26 pm ET)
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        Have you read the law? Its when the police organization or communities pro-actively refuse to enforce the law and enact measure aimed at preventing its enforcement.

        Arizona law closely mimics federal law. Should we repeal the federal law also? Do any of you folks live near the border in AZ?
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        • Author by raddave43 (April 30, 2010 1:43 pm ET)
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          Sorry the Arizona law does not closely mimic federal law, that is a wingnut talking point that has been debunked quite a few times on here already
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          • Author by wesley (April 30, 2010 2:25 pm ET)
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            -- Sorry the Arizona law does not closely mimic federal law -- raddave

            George Will said, "that the the new Arizona immigration law makes what is already a federal crime into a state crime. And when it comes to some of the most talked about parts of the law, having to do with aliens who fail to carry proper paperwork and failing to register, Will is correct about the core of the law; federal statutes already makes those two provisions a crime. -- Politifact
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            • Author by bintx (April 30, 2010 2:30 pm ET)
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              Will is correct about the core of the law; federal statutes already makes those two provisions a crime.


              Did you read what you just posted in bold? "The core" of the law is like the federal statutes, but that portion is NOT what the uproar is about. I addressed that BELOW, weasly.
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            • Author by DellDolly (April 30, 2010 2:42 pm ET)
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              First off, this is off-topic.

              But secondly, the problem with this law is that not only do aliens have to carry ID, which is the federal law, but the Arizona law requires that citizens carry ID that proves their citizenship. No federal law requires that because it'd be unconstitutional.

              But leave it to Wesley the Weasel to crop one part of the information and omit other relevant info.

              He's not interested in participating in a fair debate here - please don't continue to feed him.
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              • Author by bintx (April 30, 2010 2:45 pm ET)
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                It was NOT off-topic, but yours was.
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                • Author by southerngal (April 30, 2010 3:04 pm ET)
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                  Of course it wasn't off topic. Sue again, thinking she controls the topic's breadth. And her talking about a fair debate when she has never involved herself in one that she can actually point to. She is as phony as they come.
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                • Author by DellDolly (April 30, 2010 3:15 pm ET)
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                  Yes, it sure was.

                  How do you NOT know that whether or not the Arizona law mimics a federal law is off-topic with respect to Obama having something against cops?

                  This isn't rocket science.

                  And no, mine was not. Mine DIRECTLY replied to the point of his post after pointing out that his was off-topic.

                  That's how you stop a derailment of a thread - you briefly refute what someone posted, you mention how that person is misbehaving, and then you encourage others to NOT continue to reply. How many times must this be explained to you before you comprehend it?

                  You need to turn off your kneejerk reaction to my posts, or continue to make a fool of yourself.
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                  • Author by bintx (April 30, 2010 3:26 pm ET)
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                    I'm not the one with the knee-jerk reactions, DellDolly. For whatever reason, you believe that you have the RIGHT and the DUTY to tell everyone on this site how to post and to whom.

                    The post was not off-topic. Did you read the article?

                    Following the passage of the Arizona immigration bill, Fox News amplified Rush Limbaugh's accusation that President Obama's concern about Arizona's immigration bill leading to racial profiling was taking "a shot ... at the cops" by asking if Obama has "something against cops."


                    And that was just the first sentence.

                    Wesley's post was on-topic, yours was not.
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                    • Author by southerngal (April 30, 2010 3:35 pm ET)
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                      Too funny. And yet she thinks that when she throws a tantrum about getting too many thumbs down that rattles her emotional stability, that somehow doesn't derail the thread into "Sue's Personal Paranoia Freak Out" of the day.

                      Fine, the next time I get tossed the finger while driving down the road I am going to come here and vent it off my chest, because I will be "mocking" those digging their own graves, instead of heading directly to my psychiatrist's couch. Which is where she should be.
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                      • Author by DellDolly (April 30, 2010 3:59 pm ET)
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                        When you get tossed the finger on the road for no good reason, if you then tell other people about it, you'll be mocking the person who did it for no good reason, NOT whining that someone flipped you the bird!

                        And that's a fine thing to do. But since that's a relatively private thing between you and the person who flipped you off, it's not a very good analogy.

                        A better analogy would be how MMFA notes when Glenn Beck, for example, personally attacks MMFA for covering something that Beck did. There's a good example of that on this site today. MMFA is NOT whining for pointing out how Beck is wrong in his attack, and how he made a baseless, ad hominem attack upon MMFA.
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                    • Author by DellDolly (April 30, 2010 3:55 pm ET)
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                      Yes, you actually have exposed your kneejerk reactions on numerous occasions.

                      And I think that it's EVERYONE's duty to try to stop troll posts and off-topic posts, not just my job. And this has been explained to you COUNTLESS times - how is it that it hasn't penetrated yet?

                      And what part of whether or not George Will thinks that the bill mimics the Federal law has to do with the paragraph you just quoted above?

                      How exactly is Wesley's post related to that topic?

                      How exactly? You can claim it is, but that's not sufficient. Obama being accused of having something against cops has NOTHING to do with how closely matched the federal law and the state law are.

                      Again, you've had a kneejerk reaction.
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                      • Author by southerngal (April 30, 2010 3:58 pm ET)
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                        Listen MissySue, if you stopped your own troll posts you'd be waaaay too busy to worry about anyone elses.

                        Don't look now, the thumbs down bandit in on the loose! Take cover.
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                  • Author by benjr (April 30, 2010 8:41 pm ET)
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                    Who cares if it's off-topic? If the off-topic post is what posters here want to talk about, let them. Why do you think each thread has to be so narrowly defined? Some of the best comments I've read on MMFA have been "off-topic" and different than the original topic of the post.

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                    • Author by Bronwyn (April 30, 2010 9:00 pm ET)
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                      Well said Benjr.
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                    • Author by DellDolly (May 01, 2010 12:01 am ET)
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                      Yes, and those off-topic posts weren't thrown out there by known troll posters like Wesley and RightON with the direct intent to AVOID a discussion on the ACTUAL topic.

                      That's a HUGE difference. It's too bad that too many of you seem to be unable to comprehend that - it's not rocket science.

                      You SHOULD care when people post with the clear intent to derail threads and garner negative attention rather than being willing to participate in a productive discussion of the actual topic.

                      Again, this is not rocket science.
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        • Author by bintx (April 30, 2010 1:47 pm ET)
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          No, you are repeating talking points, egb. The portion of the law regarding law enforcement officers does NOT closely mimic federal law. I know that was the meme a few days ago, but it is BS. The talking points quoted a portion of federal law concerning legal immigrants having to carry their green cards with them at all times. The folks quoting said federal law didn't even cite the law correctly. The fact of the matter is, that this law mandates that any officer coming into "lawful contact" [which is so broad that it could mean passing them on the street] with someone that they have a "reasonable suspicion" is in the country illegally, they have to stop them and request identification [nothing about green cards]. The term "reasonable suspicion" is usually defined in law as suspicion that someone has either committed a crime [at the scene of the crime] or appears to be contemplating a crime [standing near the locked door of an closed establishment at 2:00 in the morning.] Please tell me how someone can determine "reasonable suspicion" that someone is an illegal immigrant? I guarantee you that I wouldn't get stopped in Arizona under suspicion of being an illegal immigrant . . . they don't usually stop blue-eyed blondes for that sort of thing. My dark-skinned, dark-haired, dark-eyed cousin who appears Hispanic would be stopped in a heartbeat. She shares my heritage . . . we've been here since before the white man came and when they did, they brought our ancestors. That's the problem with this law . . . American citizens will be harassed based solely on the color of their faces. Arpaio had a raid last night . . . he was overheard by witnesses saying that "reasonable suspicion" meant "speaking Mexican."

          Instead of regurgitating talking points . . . research what you post.
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          • Author by wesley (April 30, 2010 2:51 pm ET)
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            -- My dark-skinned, dark-haired, dark-eyed cousin who appears Hispanic would be stopped in a heartbeat. -- bintx

            Nope...the law says different.

            -- the law "says that any police officer can stop anyone who appears to them to be reasonably suspicious of being an undocumented person" -- is fairly accurate, but not entirely.

            While the law does appear to provide significant latitude for law enforcement officers in Arizona to question people about their immigration status -- on a pretext as basic as a broken tail light -- the law also says the grounds cannot be based on race or ethnicity alone. -- Politifact

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            • Author by bintx (April 30, 2010 3:01 pm ET)
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              Actually, the original law did NOT say that, it had no provisions at ALL regarding the definition of "lawful contact" and did not give any such guidelines at all for police to determine "reasonable suspicion" and had no limitations regarding race, etc. There WERE provisions which prohibited charges being investigated based solely on race,
              color or national origin.

              But they changed it today, wesley, to take care of those racist provisions. Keep up.
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              • Author by wesley (April 30, 2010 3:46 pm ET)
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                Thanks for the link...the new language should help clear up misgivings.

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                • Author by bintx (April 30, 2010 4:05 pm ET)
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                  You're welcome, but there is still no way that a police officer would be able to have a "reasonable suspicion" that someone is in this country illegally unless they targeted the racial stereotype, so the law is still unconstitutional.

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                • Author by mikehuck1976 (April 30, 2010 4:54 pm ET)
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                  What would be the other reasons for suspecting someone is here illegally? I have yet to get an answer to that question that does not make me squirm as an American to think we would allow a law like this to stand.
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                  • Author by wesley (April 30, 2010 5:33 pm ET)
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                    The argument has gone past your fears by the change in the law...as pointed out by bintx above.

                    While performing his duties of making a lawful stop, detention or arrest...the officer will require identification from you...me...or anyone else. That's the way its always been.

                    What has changed is the Arizona law enforcement agencies now have the authority to arrest illegal aliens and/or turn them over to immigration authorities when they can't produce proper identification...a job that the federal govt. has failed at woefully.
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                    • Author by Refresh (April 30, 2010 5:53 pm ET)
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                      So officers will not stop someone soley for the purpose of seeing whether they are here illegaly?
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                    • Author by DellDolly (May 01, 2010 12:03 am ET)
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                      What has changed, first off, is that now citizens are liable to be targeted and asked to produce papers to document citizenship.

                      But what hasn't changed is that this is STILL off-topic.

                      The TOPIC you're trying desperately to avoid discussing is how Limbaugh baselessly claimed that Obama is anti-cop!
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                      • Author by Refresh (May 01, 2010 5:40 am ET)
                           
                        I would desperately like to hear wesley and/or rightON give a definitive response on that specific accusation of Obama being anti-cop. Well guys, is he or is he not against cops?
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                        • Author by DellDolly (May 02, 2010 11:13 pm ET)
                             
                          Nope, they won't DISCUSS that topic.

                          They were doing everything they could to AVOID that topic.

                          Of course, because I pointed that out, I'm the bad guy.

                          It's not rocket science, but you'd think it was.
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      • Author by cst (April 30, 2010 1:45 pm ET)
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        This provision could actually be used to FIGHT the law, with people demanding it be inforced to the letter no matter how impractical... or how "inconvient" for (let's just say) rich conservatives who employ immigrants- legal OR illegal.(What kind of cleaning staff works for Arizona Senator John McCain, I wonder?)
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        • Author by wesley (April 30, 2010 3:51 pm ET)
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          Cleaning staff?

          Now there's a biased comment.
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          • Author by Refresh (April 30, 2010 5:16 pm ET)
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            I bet you were all over Gallagher's statement too:

            cops know if there's a van full of dark-skinned men with lawnmowers packed into the back of a pick-up truck...
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    • Author by Refresh (April 30, 2010 1:17 pm ET)
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    • Author by mk3872 (April 30, 2010 1:21 pm ET)
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      Geez - what exactly WOULDN'T Murdoch's 24-hour anti-Obama media empire throw at Obama?
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    • Author by egb (April 30, 2010 1:23 pm ET)
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      I think "the police acted stupidly" says it all. No need to credit Limbaugh with a well known truth.
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      • Author by DellDolly (April 30, 2010 1:38 pm ET)
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        President Obama doesn't have something against cops.

        He has something against people who act stupidly in performing their jobs. That's not something to be ashamed of.

        We should all be against cops who act stupidly. And it's undeniable that there's evidence of several stupid behaviors from the incident being cited. I'm sure MMFA has several threads with plenty of evidence about the cop's behavior.

        See, it's behavior that one should address. Limbaugh pretends that Obama has made personal attacks against cops in general. That's not true.
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      • Author by raddave43 (April 30, 2010 1:45 pm ET)
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        Well in that case the police did act stupidly.
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      • Author by ilikeike (April 30, 2010 1:49 pm ET)
           
        so the "police acted stupidly" in one case means he is opposed to the cops.think about it. if i say the army failed in its mission in one battle am i then to be labelled anti-troops. if i oppose the teachers union on legislation, am i anti-education.if i criticize Steinbrenner does that mean i hate the yankees?. the cops did act stupidly in the case at hand. they went into the house of an old man and put him in cuffs like a dangerous criminal because he became agitated due to the invasion of his home.they could have easily validated the claim that it was his home in minutes.was it racist? who knows what was in the hearts of the individual officers. but it was clearly unnecessary and stupid behaviour by the cops.
        the reaction of the right wing is very telling in this sags. if a white man had his home invaded by the authorities for no good reason it would have been big government gone mad and intrusion by the state. but an innocent black man, well he must have done something wrong
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      • Author by bintx (April 30, 2010 1:50 pm ET)
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        The police officer acted stupidly. He arrested a man in his own home after confirmation that the man was in his own home.
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      • Author by Johaely (April 30, 2010 8:58 pm ET)
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        So policemen are incapable of error?
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    • Author by iNova (April 30, 2010 1:39 pm ET)
         
      The cops have not done their job. If they had lim/hannity/beck would be in jail.
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    • Author by ilikeike (April 30, 2010 1:41 pm ET)
         
      fox he was criticizing the bill. cops didnt write the bill. they would merely be told to enforce it.will some cops use racial profiling, yes some will. do some cops use racial profiling today, yes some do. my haitian friend roberto, an attorney, is pulled over for a "routine traffic stop at least 8-10 times ayear. me-never.but look below the surface here and you will find the real context. obama is black, therefore in fox or rush's eyes more likely a"street thug" ergo more likely to hate cops
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    • Author by NoNothing (May 03, 2010 5:00 am ET)
         
      I don't expect Obama to visit Arizona any time soon. He might have trouble with his identity papers should they pull him over.
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