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Another myth debunked: Kagan's campaign donations not unusual

May 10, 2010 2:01 pm ET — 36 Comments

Laura Ingraham falsely suggested that Elena Kagan's campaign donations to Democrats -- including President Obama -- were somehow unusual. In fact, Chief Justice John Roberts -- who was appointed by President Bush -- donated to Bush's campaign in 2000, and dozens of Bush judicial appointees reportedly donated to Bush or other key Republicans prior to becoming judges.

Ingraham suggests Kagan's donations are somehow unusual

The day Obama announced Kagan's nomination to the Supreme Court, Ingraham tweeted: "2000-2008 Kagan donated $12,550 to Democrats, more than half of it to Barack Obama."

Ingraham tweet

Numerous Bush-appointed judges -- including Chief Justice Roberts -- made donations to Bush and other Republicans

FACT: Roberts donated to Republican candidates, including George W. Bush. According to a July 20, 2005, Associated Press report:

Supreme Court nominee John G. Roberts has donated to the political campaigns of several Republican candidates, including one senator who will vote on Roberts' appointment to the high court.

In recent election years, Roberts has contributed more than $3,700 to Republican candidates, including $1,000 to George W. Bush's successful bid for the presidency in 2000.

Roberts, who grew up in Indiana, gave $500 to the 2000 re-election bid of Sen. Richard Lugar, R-Ind., according to campaign contribution reports.

He also contributed $1,235 to the 1998 campaign of Republican Peter Fitzgerald, who defeated Illinois Sen. Carol Moseley Braun, a Democrat. Fitzgerald only served one term. Roberts gave $250 to Peter Rusthoven, a Republican who failed to gain the GOP nomination against Sen. Evan Bayh, D-Ind., in 1998.

Much of Roberts' political giving was to his law firm's political action committee. He gave more than $5,600 to the Hogan & Hartson PAC, especially during the 1998 and 2000 election cycles.

FACT: Roberts had a history of involvement in GOP campaign activity. According to his Senate Judiciary questionnaire for his Supreme Court nomination, Roberts was a member of the "Executive Committee, D.C. Lawyers for Bush-Quayle '88" and "Lawyers for Bush-Cheney" in 2000 and "assist[ed] those working on behalf of George W. Bush on various aspects of the recount litigation."

FACT: Dozens of Bush-appointed judges "made political contributions to key Republicans or to the president himself while under consideration for their judgeships." According to a 2006 study by the Center for Investigative Reporting:

At least two dozen federal judges appointed by President Bush since 2001 made political contributions to key Republicans or to the president himself while under consideration for their judgeships, government records show.

A four-month investigation of Bush-appointed judges by the Center for Investigative Reporting reveals that six appellate court judges and 18 district court judges contributed a total of more than $44,000 to politicians who were influential in their appointments. Some gave money directly to Bush after he officially nominated them.

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    • Author by southerngal (May 10, 2010 2:19 pm ET)
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      This is a little over reaction by MMfA, don't ya think? Ingraham didn't say or suggest anything was unusual, all she did was state a fact, if it is in fact correct. MMfA jumped to a conclusion here.
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      • Author by wesley (May 10, 2010 2:33 pm ET)
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        I agree, RO.

        This type of article belongs on the right hand side...the blog side.

        mmfa concocts a theory about a myth...then claims to debunk the myth. When in fact, there was no myth...no conservative mis-info (unless Ingraham's claim about the dollar amount is false)...and no debunking.

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        • Author by DellDolly (May 10, 2010 6:00 pm ET)
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          Hmmm, the original article on

          Myths and falsehoods about Elena Kagan's Supreme Court nomination

          Was on the Research side. Why would this addendum to that research article end up on the blog side? It's not "opinion". It's a factual rebuttal by MMFA to the false talking points from rightwingers!

          She suggested it was worth noting - that it was somehow remarkable, but it is not remarkable at all!
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          • Author by southerngal (May 10, 2010 6:04 pm ET)
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            Please explain what is a "false taking point" in Ingraham's tweet?
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            • Author by DellDolly (May 11, 2010 2:46 am ET)
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              Duh. I explained below, but you already knew what it was anyway.

              It's a non-relevant fact being used to imply wrongdoing where none exists.
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      • Author by DellDolly (May 10, 2010 6:03 pm ET)
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        No, she didn't just state a fact.

        There's no good reason to tweet that fact unless you think that the fact is worth noting. It's not, since we know that she never would have tweeted that Roberts had contributed to Republicans. It's hypocrisy.

        But you've always been comfortable with hypocrisy - maybe that's why you're so unimpressed with MMFA's pointing hers out!
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        • Author by southerngal (May 10, 2010 6:06 pm ET)
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          Roberts is not in the news. Kagan is. There is no suggestion or hypocrisy from Ingraham's tweet. You and MMfA can dream up a myth to debunk, as Wesley correctly points out, but it's only in your imagination.
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          • Author by open_mind (May 11, 2010 11:09 am ET)
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            While you may not infer a hypocrisy, others may see an implication by Ingraham that there was some impropriety in the donations. While that suggested impropriety may or may not be a valid concern, it should be noted that it is not at all unusual. No doubt we will see other conservatives use Ingraham's selective fact here to make some form of argument about Kagan's supposed impropriety. I don't see how anyone could take exception with MMFA providing additional context to help folks make a judgment on the issue.
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            • Author by southerngal (May 11, 2010 11:54 am ET)
                 
              There is no additional context necessary, only in inference that MMfA is making about some myth they think they are debunking. It's only a tweet of a fact. That's all.
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              • Author by open_mind (May 11, 2010 2:28 pm ET)
                   
                Well it is even obvious to Wesley, who criticizes this article that it is more than a mere fact. It is an "insinuati[on]" of something beyond that.
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      • Author by tman418 (May 11, 2010 10:54 pm ET)
           
        right ON,

        I think, everything said, that MMFA believes it is important to say that campaign donations are not unusual. By reporting that Kagan made contributions to Democrats, Fox's audience is likely to draw from such reporting that Obama nominated her as a political favor. However, MMFA feels that this should not be reported without noting that other conservative judges made contributions to Republicans.
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    • Author by mhughen (May 10, 2010 2:55 pm ET)
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      L I has a history if rediculous charges and distortions. The context of her comment is that Kagan's actions were suspect. MMFA pointed out that other Supremes have done the same. How is that an over-reaction?
      In fact, I believe she is inferring that Kagan bought her nomination which would be patently outrageous. IOKIYAR
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      • Author by southerngal (May 10, 2010 2:59 pm ET)
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        All she did was state a fact. Hypersensitive media watchdog sites may read more into it if so inclined, but not all of us do, hence the overreaction.
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        • Author by mhughen (May 10, 2010 3:03 pm ET)
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          I would say that MMfA is a watchdog site so your criticism is a little odd, but you are absolutely correct that L I made a factual statement . . . as was MMfAs rebuttal.

          To suggest that L I's statement had no purpose other than to state a fact would be turning a blind eye to what L I's intentions were.
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          • Author by southerngal (May 10, 2010 3:06 pm ET)
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            I never said they had no purpose, I have no idea on that. But that doesn't mean she is suggesting they are "unusual", nor is it some myth that deserves debunking.
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            • Author by open_mind (May 11, 2010 11:13 am ET)
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              that doesn't mean she is suggesting they are "unusual"
              Well it would certainly be a reasonable inference that it is unusual. Why else would Ingraham mention it? Now if Ingraham tweeted that Kagan likes peanut butter and jelly sandwiches, you may have a better argument.
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          • Author by wesley (May 10, 2010 3:11 pm ET)
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            mmfa certainly used a blind eye when writing this article.

            No where does Ingraham call the donations unusual. No where does Ingraham create a myth. These are all figments of the mmfa imagination.

            As a political operative, Ingraham most certainly had an "intention" when she posted her comment and mmfa chose to use their mind reading skills to dream up the concepts of an unusual myth.

            This belongs in the more opinionated blog side of the site...not as any factual reporting of conservative mis-information.

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            • Author by peebs755 (May 10, 2010 4:29 pm ET)
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              To act like Ingram wasn't insinuating anything, or trying to make this sound improper, is disingenuous.
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              • Author by wesley (May 10, 2010 4:39 pm ET)
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                Of course she was insinuating...but it's an obtuse argument to claim she was creating a myth. It's also obtuse to falsely claim that she said the contribution by Kagan was unusual.

                Move this over to the blog roll and we can all have fun dissecting the meaning or intentions of her tweet...but to post it as debunking a myth is pure fantasy.
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                • Author by Disputed Zone (May 10, 2010 5:17 pm ET)
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                  But MediaMatters didn't claim she "said" it. They claim she "suggested" it. "Suggest" and "insinuate" are synonyms.
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                  • Author by southerngal (May 10, 2010 5:24 pm ET)
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                    She doesn't say it, she doesn't suggest it, she only states it.
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                    • Author by Disputed Zone (May 10, 2010 5:26 pm ET)
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                      I know that's your position. I disagree, and so does Wesley, apparently.
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                      • Author by southerngal (May 10, 2010 5:29 pm ET)
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                        It's a ridiculous differentiation to hang on too regardless. By Ingraham's tweet alone, she is not suggesting anything more than exactly what she states as fact. To make that leap is an over reaction, and unwarranted.
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                        • Author by DellDolly (May 10, 2010 6:06 pm ET)
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                          Wesley said "Of course she was insinuating".

                          And, she was.

                          People don't tweet facts unless they think those facts MEAN something, tell us something.
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                          • Author by southerngal (May 10, 2010 6:14 pm ET)
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                            MMfA's complaint is not borne out of some vague insinuation, it specifically says that Ingraham falsely suggests donations are unusual, which she in no way does. Stick to the topic Sue.
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                            • Author by peebs755 (May 10, 2010 6:53 pm ET)
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                              Here right On goes again. Defending the Fox talking points. It's what he does. Of course she (Laura Ingram) is trying to make this seem improper. That's the ONLY reason to tweet this. And I stand by that you two saying this doesn't imply that is disingenuous. And all of right On's and Wesley's bluster doesn't change that. Jeez.
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                              • Author by southerngal (May 10, 2010 6:56 pm ET)
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                                So a factual tweet, nothing more, nothing less, is now a Fox talking point? Wow.
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                                • Author by mhughen (May 10, 2010 7:09 pm ET)
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                                  What do you thin her point in this tweet was? Just stating a fact? No other intention/insinuation at all? puh-lease.
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                                • Author by DellDolly (May 11, 2010 2:48 am ET)
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                                  Wesley said "Of course she was insinuating".

                                  And, she was.

                                  People don't tweet facts unless they think those facts MEAN something, tell us something.

                                  It's not "a factual tweet, nothing more, nothing less".

                                  Liar.
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                            • Author by DellDolly (May 11, 2010 2:47 am ET)
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                              Show everyone your personal animus, RightON.

                              I DID stick to the topic, and I am NOT Sue.
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                              • Author by southerngal (May 11, 2010 11:56 am ET)
                                   
                                Calling you Sue is a fact we both know is true, nothing more, nothing less.
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                            • Author by open_mind (May 11, 2010 2:39 pm ET)
                                 
                              MMfA's complaint is not borne out of some vague insinuation, it specifically says that Ingraham falsely suggests donations are unusual, which she in no way does.
                              What do you think is the difference between a "suggest[ion]" and an "insinuation"? Is it really such a meaningful difference? Come on now. You could have easily substituted the word "suggestion" for "insinuation" above.

                              You may be trying to look at this in a way that is so literal as to deny what is staring you right in the face. Can't see the forest for that dang tree millimeters in front of you.
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                              • Author by southerngal (May 11, 2010 2:49 pm ET)
                                   
                                Look, Ingraham tweeted a fact, that's it. MMfA infers she means it's unusual. Well how do they know that is what she meant? Maybe Ingraham was implying they had some "deal" with regard to her nomination, or maybe Ingraham was implying there is some personal relationship that is more than meets the eye, or maybe Ingraham was just stating a fact with regard to campaign donations.

                                Based on the tweet, MMfA jumps to an unfounded conclusion and claim they are debunking some myth that it isn't even stated.
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                                • Author by open_mind (May 11, 2010 5:03 pm ET)
                                     
                                  Based on the tweet, MMfA jumps to an unfounded conclusion and claim they are debunking some myth that it isn't even stated.
                                  I suppose we just disagree on that. It was obvious to Wesley, me and mmfa what Ingraham was insinuating. It's not like this conclusion is even a tiny reach considering what we all know about Ingraham. If she were to give the defense you have ascribed to her remark, I think most people would see it as back-peddling or wimping out on her part.
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                • Author by open_mind (May 11, 2010 11:17 am ET)
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                  No where does Ingraham call the donations unusual. No where does Ingraham create a myth. These are all figments of the mmfa imagination.--Wesley
                  Of course she was insinuating...--Wesley
                  I suppose this is just a matter of opinion as to whether "insinuating" something false is so much different than explicitly stating something false.
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    • Author by Willa (May 10, 2010 3:10 pm ET)
         
      If what Ingraham was just stating fact, then what is so wrong with the MMfA stating similar facts about Chief Justice Roberts. If all she was interested in was stating facts, then why did she tweet that like Chief Justice Roberts contributing to the GOP Campaigns, Kagan donated to Democratic Campaigns.

      Instead she gave only half the picture - a one sided picture. What was her purpose then in doing that?
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