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Hitchens attacks Kagan for brief on Vatican sex abuse case that she didn't even file

June 01, 2010 3:08 pm ET — 33 Comments

Christopher Hitchens attacked Elena Kagan for a brief the Solicitor General's office filed arguing that the Vatican should be treated as a sovereign government and therefore a sex abuse case should be dismissed. But Kagan did not even file the brief in question, and no one in the case argued that the Supreme Court should find that the Vatican is not a sovereign government.

Hitchens falsely claims that Kagan said Vatican should be immune from child sex abuse lawsuit

Hitchens' falsehood: Kagan said Vatican should be immune from lawsuit over child sex abuse claims. From Hitchens' May 31 article headlined, "Is the Vatican a Sovereign State?" and subheadlined "Elena Kagan and her colleagues in the solicitor general's office say it is. They should be ashamed":

Those scrutinizing the nomination of Elena Kagan to the Supreme Court might want to pay some attention to the recent decision of her office -- the office of the solicitor general of the United States -- to take the side of the Vatican in the continuing scandal of child rape and the associated scandal of a coordinated obstruction of justice. Faced with a number of court cases in the United States that have named the pope himself as a defendant in the enabling and covering up of many rapes, the Vatican has evolved the strategy of claiming that the Holy See is in effect a sovereign state and thus possessed of immunity from prosecution. It has now been announced that the Obama administration will be advising the Supreme Court to adopt this view of the matter.

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It will be a disgrace if the Supreme Court overrules the sane and legal finding of the 9th Circuit. It is already a disgrace that so many innocent victims and their families have had to seek redress on their own and fight for decades against a ruthless and cynical clerical hierarchy that on its own admission was more concerned to protect the predators than to do justice. Where were the nation's law officers and policemen while all this was going on? Did they not feel it their bounden duty to represent the interests of the most vulnerable? Now at last the majesty of American law is being deployed in this matter -- but on the side of an institution that has irreparably stained itself with crime. Kagan and her colleagues should be made to feel the shame of this, as should the president, who talks so glibly about human rights and equality before the law.

In fact, Kagan did not file a brief in the Vatican case. On May 17, Kagan notified the Supreme Court that, in light of her Supreme Court nomination, she was appointing her deputy, Neal Katyal to be acting Solicitor General and would not be participating in future Supreme Court cases. The brief Hitchens attacked -- which the Solicitor General's office filed after Kagan had recused herself -- does not bear Kagan's name.

Hitchens' attack is based on the falsehood that the concept of Vatican sovereignty is controversial

Hitchens claimed that the argument that "the Holy See is in effect a sovereign state" is a controversial view. In his article, Hitchens attacked Kagan and the Solicitor General's office for accepting the Vatican's argument that "the Holy See is in effect a sovereign state and thus possessed of immunity from prosecution."

The Ninth Circuit decision that Hitchens lauded also stated that the Vatican is a sovereign state. Hitchens lauded the Ninth Circuit decision holding that the Vatican is not wholly immune from a civil lawsuit over allegations of sex abuse against minors. But the Ninth Circuit did not hold that the Vatican is not a sovereign state generally entitled to immunity. Rather, the Ninth Circuit held that one of the exceptions to the Foreign Sovereign Immunity Act (FSIA) -- which generally shields sovereign governments from civil lawsuits -- applied to the case.

Furthermore, neither side argued in their Supreme Court briefs that the Vatican should not be considered a sovereign state for purposes of the Foreign Sovereign Immunity Act. The brief for the plaintiffs in the case -- who argued that the Supreme Court should not hear the case -- also argued that an exception to the FSIA applied. It did not argue that the Vatican does not generally have immunity under the FSIA. The briefs for the Holy See also discussed the issue of whether an exception to the FSIA applied, not whether the Vatican was a foreign state.

Solicitor General's office has previously argued that foreign states should be entitled to immunity

George W. Bush administration argued that Iraq should be immune from lawsuits. In 1990, Iraq was deemed a state sponsor of terrorism, but following the coalition invasion in 2003, Congress enacted legislation that authorized the president to waive Iraq's liability under any provision creating a cause of action against a state sponsoring terrorism. In Republic of Iraq v. Beaty, Gregory Garre, the solicitor general at the time, argued on behalf of the administration that Iraq was immune from suit against American citizens who were tortured and held hostage in Kuwait and Iraq. He argued that allowing suit against Iraq would "pose an 'unusual threat to the national security and foreign policy of the United States.'" In a decision written by Justice Antonin Scalia, the Supreme Court agreed, and held that Iraq was immune from suit.

George H.W. Bush administration argued that Saudi Arabia should be immune from suit. In Saudi Arabia v. Nelson, the plaintiffs brought suit for injuries Scott Nelson suffered due to torture inflicted upon him while under arrest in Saudi Arabia. Kenneth Starr, as solicitor general, argued on behalf of the George H.W. Bush administration that the Foreign Sovereign Immunities Act did not allow jurisdiction over Nelson's suit because their actions were not "based upon" a commercial activity. He stated that (via Westlaw), "[t]he commercial activity involved here -- Saudi Arabia's recruitment of Scott Nelson to work at its overseas hospital -- does not provide a basis for the intentional injury and related spousal derivative claims that the Nelsons assert in their complaint." The Supreme Court agreed to dismiss the case.

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    • Author by hardindr (June 01, 2010 3:24 pm ET)
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      While I don't like Christopher Hitchens, the idea that the Vatican as a sovereign state is non-controversial is baloney. Please see these references http://www.au.org/media/church-and-state/archives/2010/05/statehood-falsehood.html http://www.au.org/media/church-and-state/archives/2010/05/unholy-immunity.html

      Christopher Hitchens maybe wrong that Kagan filed the brief for the US government, but if she wasn't nominated she would have filed it. Whether she would have agreed with the basis of the lawsuit, or if she would have done it solely on the basis of her job in the Administration, is anyone's guess since she is a black hole when it comes to her legal opinions.
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      • Author by DellDolly (June 01, 2010 3:56 pm ET)
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        Christopher Hitchens IS wrong - there's no "maybe" about it.

        And that IS the whole point of MMFA's posting! You might try reading it again without your personal biases figuring into it next time.
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        • Author by hardindr (June 01, 2010 4:04 pm ET)
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          As another commenter noted, Hitchens wrote about "Kagan's office" making the legal argument, not Kagan. Again, it is not controversial to deny the Vatican is a sovereign state.
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          • Author by DellDolly (June 01, 2010 7:11 pm ET)
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            Duh.

            MMFA said that Hitchens attacked Kagan. He undeniably did! He suggests that those looking at her proposed new role look at this ruling - for YOU to try to distract us, as another insincere poster did, by saying that Hitchens didn't directly attack Kagan is incredibly disingenuous!

            Those scrutinizing the nomination of Elena Kagan to the Supreme Court might want to pay some attention to the recent decision of her office -- the office of the solicitor general of the United States -- to take the side of the Vatican in the continuing scandal of child rape and the associated scandal of a coordinated obstruction of justice.

            And it is NOT controversial in a legal way! Get a clue, doofus.
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      • Author by DellDolly (June 01, 2010 4:06 pm ET)
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        And it's not up to the USA to decide if some other nation is a secular nation or not. They get to determine. We don't get to judge them and say that one nation isn't a nation because they are led by a pope and only exist because of a religion.

        The fact that the group you cite doesn't think that the Holy See should qualify as a nation is irrelevant to the LEGAL basis for making that argument. There is no controversy, legally, over the Vatican being treated as a sovereign nation.
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        • Author by hardindr (June 01, 2010 4:11 pm ET)
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          No, that isn't true. You don't just get to declare yourself a nation-state. There are rules for who gets to be a sovereign nation, and many legal scholars think the Vatican does not meet those qualifications.
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          • Author by MidnightWriter (June 01, 2010 4:25 pm ET)
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            It's a moot point. The United States does recognize the Holy See as a nation. We have an ambassador there. They have an ambassador here.
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            • Author by hardindr (June 02, 2010 4:52 pm ET)
                 
              We'll see what happens in court. Hopefully reason (and justice) will prevail.
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        • Author by DellDolly (June 01, 2010 7:13 pm ET)
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          Something like 180 nations recognize the Vatican as a legit sovereign nation. 17 don't, and 10 of them are pretty radical Muslim states!

          It's a nation. Legally, worldwide, that's not controversial.
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    • Author by southerngal (June 01, 2010 3:39 pm ET)
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      Hitchens says Kagan's office, which it still is. So if she hadn't been nominated her name would be on the brief filed by the U.S instead of her deputy, Kaytal
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      • Author by jarossiter (June 01, 2010 3:42 pm ET)
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        As Solicitor General, does she get to chose which cases she will file?
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        • Author by southerngal (June 01, 2010 3:46 pm ET)
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          The Obama administration backs it, so does the Solicitor General go against the administration?
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          • Author by jarossiter (June 01, 2010 3:47 pm ET)
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            That was my question.
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            • Author by southerngal (June 01, 2010 3:49 pm ET)
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              I never said it was a valid criticism or not, but Hitchens is correct when he said it was her office, because it still is.
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              • Author by jarossiter (June 01, 2010 3:56 pm ET)
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                I never said you said anything. I simply asked a question, which the answer to is important in accessing the veracity of the charge.
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                • Author by southerngal (June 01, 2010 4:00 pm ET)
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                  So you would be more satisfied with a headline like "Hitchens attacks Kagan for brief on Vatican sex abuse case that her office is filing on behalf of the Obama administration"? That would be ok by me. But that isn't MMfA's beef.
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        • Author by hardindr (June 01, 2010 3:49 pm ET)
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          Would you say the same about GWB's Solicitor General?
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          • Author by DellDolly (June 01, 2010 3:58 pm ET)
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            Yes, because we aren't so highly partisan that we make bogus allegations based upon that partisanship.
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            • Author by southerngal (June 01, 2010 4:01 pm ET)
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              "Yes, because we aren't so highly partisan"

              Pffffffffffft! (how does one fix a keyboard drowning in diet coke?)
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              • Author by MidnightWriter (June 01, 2010 4:42 pm ET)
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                Given my clumsy history I'd recommend buying keyboards in bulk.
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                • Author by southerngal (June 01, 2010 4:45 pm ET)
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                  Given the magnitude of Sue's whoppers of late, I will take your advice.
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                  • Author by DellDolly (June 01, 2010 7:21 pm ET)
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                    Given the history of hypocrisy from the right over the past 2 decades and the lack of the same from the Democrats, that's why EVERYONE agrees with me and NO ONE agrees with you, doofus.

                    You've lost your 'specialness' and I'm responsible for that! Hip Hip Hurray!
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                    • Author by southerngal (June 02, 2010 11:09 am ET)
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                      The only thing you're responsible for is making yourself look like a paranoid narcissist. If you're proud of that accomplishment, hip hip hooray.
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    • Author by MidnightWriter (June 01, 2010 3:50 pm ET)
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      Another shot that not only misses the target, but sails clear out of the archery range.

      Nevertheless, I'm getting all too annoyed by this, "attack the lawyers over the people they defended" crap. Lawyers have a duty to defend their clients to the best of their skills and abilities. It's one of the greatest strengths of our judicial system.

      Years ago I served on a jury. We found ourselves in a domestic abuse trial. There were witnesses. There was photographic evidence. It was pretty obvious they man accused was guilty. Still, the trial took all day. The defense attorney attacked everything presented vigorously and did everything he could to raise questions, to make us wonder if the prosecution had indeed proved their charges beyond any reasonable doubts.

      We all judged him guilty on the first vote.

      Afterwards the judge met with us, thanked us for our service, and offered to answer any questions for us. One gentleman did. He wondered, with the courts being so weighed down, why this hadn't been plea bargained out earlier, and just what had happened to allow this case to make it to the courtroom.

      The judge smiled and said, "It's his Constitutional right."

      The Christopher Hitchens of the world prove themselves to be abject, undeniable idiots when they try to make an issue of a lawyer's past by pointing to the clients they've had and/or the issues they've represented. Attacking someone for doing their Constitutional duty with integrity is something to be praised. To attack them for doing so is nothing less than an attack on the honor and principles of this nation, and it is their judgement and patriotism that should be questioned.
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      • Author by hardindr (June 01, 2010 3:58 pm ET)
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        This is pure nonsense. There is a world of difference between defending an ordinary person at trial, and defending one of the wealthiest organizations on earth from the consequences of crimes they themselves covered up. I would hope that any decent person working for the Obama Administration would say, "Shove it!" if they were asked to make such an argument in favor of immunity for the Vatican. My guess is that Kagan isn't one of those people.
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        • Author by MidnightWriter (June 01, 2010 4:13 pm ET)
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          I've got to disagree. Businesses, large or small, organizations, large or small, and even nations, large or small, have rights within our system to have their interests represented.

          Unless there is a direct conflict of interest it would be irresponsible for a lawyer to blow off their duty for whatever other reasons. However you may see the Vatican issue, if a legal question can be raised, it becomes an issue that should be answered and settled.
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          • Author by hardindr (June 01, 2010 4:25 pm ET)
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            I think that lawyers, like everyone, have the obligation to follow their conscience and let it be the ultimate arbiter of what legal arguments they are or aren't willing to make. Otherwise, humans are just empty shells "following orders." I would hope that no decent person would shield such a mighty and haughty institution from its day in court. Let the lawyers then argue about who is responsible!
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            • Author by jarossiter (June 01, 2010 4:27 pm ET)
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              If we have treated the Vatican as a nation in every other instance, and I don't know if this is true or not, we have an obligation to do so in this case.
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            • Author by MidnightWriter (June 01, 2010 4:40 pm ET)
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              Would you object to a lawyer who believes that following their conscience means they are honor and duty bound to offer all of their knowledge and skills representing an issue, person, or cause they personally find objectionable?

              The system we have requires that the lowest of the low, and the most vile of the vile, gets to take their shot with laws, with judges, with juries. And that sometimes mean a lawyer will find something they can take advantage of and put it to the test.

              Granted, sometimes these trials will discover errors in our system. When that happens we have to rely on our legislators to either amend or create new laws--which means the process begins anew and issues are argued and judged again.

              And though we all doubtlessly can point to some all too ugly miscarriages of justice, for the most part our system has worked quite well.
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              • Author by hardindr (June 02, 2010 4:51 pm ET)
                   
                I would not object, but that lawyer might be a fool, depending on what cause they were representing. Lawyers can decided what cases they take. If they have a job where they don't agree withe the case they were assigned to, they can always resign. I hope they would, in such a case. How would you feel about a "progressive" lawyer arguing that BP shouldn't pay for the oil spill because there isn't any environmental damage cause by it, or that they just don't have any liability (too obviously false points)?

                The whole point of the brief from Kagan's office is that the Vatican should be beyond the critical examination of the legal system, that they don't get "their shot with laws, with judges, with juries." That is a repulsive idea, and I would hope that any decent person would reject it.
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        • Author by southerngal (June 01, 2010 4:13 pm ET)
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          Absolutely agree, take a moral stand instead of some silly protocol baloney, or whatever it is.
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          • Author by DellDolly (June 02, 2010 2:11 am ET)
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            You disreputable, nigh-unto traitorous scoundrel.

            OUR legal system doesn't support that kind of behavior, you fool. For you to assert that lawyers SHOULD behave that way, go live in a nation where that's the ideal, like Somalia, but stop polluting OUR nation with that kind of junk!
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