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Beck lies about his history of "dragging" Obama's family "into the debate"

June 01, 2010 7:22 pm ET — 180 Comments

Addressing comments he made on his May 28 radio show attacking President Obama's daughter, Glenn Beck lied about his history of "dragging" Obama's family "into the debate," falsely claiming that he had "never done it until last Friday." In fact, as Media Matters has previously documented, Beck has repeatedly brought up Obama's family in his commentary over the last several months.

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Beck claims he had "never" talked about Obama family before Friday

Beck says he had "never" talked about Obama's family "until last Friday." During the June 1 edition of his Fox News show, Beck said that "there is absolutely no excuse or reason to ever, ever, ever, ever even come close to the line of dragging somebody's family into the debate. I've never done it. I've never done it until last Friday."

Beck's attacks on Obama's family date back to April 2009

Beck on Obama's aunt: "I took this cane from her earlier"; "[I]t's like little Tiny Tim." During the April 2, 2009, edition of his Fox News show, Beck discussed Obama's aunt visa status and stated, "Obama's aunt, you know -- and I took this cane from her earlier. I -- it's like little Tiny Tim. Oh, I'd like more. please. Please. God bless us, every one.' She has a limp, didn't you know that? She should be able to stay."

Beck: "What scar is left when the mom leaves a son who's been abandoned by his father for Marxism?" During the March 17 edition of his Fox News show, Beck stated: "Here's a sad thing that I don't think anybody will really ever say about Barack Obama, because it sounds mean, and I don't mean it to be mean." He continued:

BECK: This is truly a sad, tragic story. But the only way to understand -- first of all, all the people around him -- and then his thinking -- I don't think he's an evil man. I don't think he's trying to do evil things intentionally.

He really does believe Marxism is the way, is the answer, it is the future. He believes that. From the moment he was born, he had contact with nothing but socialist, Marxist, communist radicals. His father abandoned him. Why? So he could go off to a Marxist school in New York. Then his father left the country to go try it out.

How tragic. What kind of scar does that leave on a boy?

Then his mother: I mean, this is -- you tell me. What scar is left when the mom leaves a son who's been abandoned by his father for Marxism -- leaves the son with his grandparents so she can pursue critical theory, which is Marxist? Both parents leave a boy for Marxism?

And then he goes to his parents -- or his grandparents. His grandparents attended the little red church, which was known for its communist teachings. Grandpa introduced him to Frank Marshall Davis. Frank Marshall Davis is now his teenage mentor. Frank Marshall Davis has an FBI file this big.

Examining Obama's "foundation," Beck said, "I'm going to start with his parents." During the April 6 edition of his Fox News show, Beck purported to understand the "foundation" of Obama, asking: "What is he building? On what foundation does he have? I'm going to start with his parents." He later said: "His parents seemingly placed radical politics over everything else -- including their little boy."

Beck pointed to Obama's parents, grandparents to say Obama "didn't have a chance to actually think anything but radical thoughts." Later during the same April 6 show, Beck pointed to pictures of Obama's family and said: "This kid didn't have a chance to be rooted in the Founding Fathers. This guy doesn't have a chance to actually think anything but radical thoughts. Based on everybody in his life so far, who's defending capitalism?"

Beck referenced the history of Obama's parents to discuss whether Obama is "the most radical president ever." During the April 9 edition of his radio program, Beck referenced his Fox News show from April 6 to talk about Obama's father's "writings on socialism and communism" and went on to talk about Obama's mother, saying: "His mother -- communist sympathizer, studied critical theory ... she left Barack Obama."

Beck launched sexist attack on Michelle Obama. As Media Matters previously documented, Beck launched a sexist attack on Michelle Obama, saying: "I don't think I've ever seen the first lady with her -- excuse the expression -- but with her breasts all smooshed up, sort of. I mean, what is that?" Beck later commented on Michelle Obama's dress and makeup during the same program.

Beck linked Obama's daughters to Rev. Wright, asked: "Are you telling me that for 20 years ... the kids didn't pick it up?" On the May 24 edition of his radio show, Beck said:

BECK: At some point, there's a tipping point. At some point, you look at -- you know, you start with Jeremiah Wright. OK, there's one thing.

Now, I still have a problem -- because, I mean, I know my kids come home and -- on Sunday, and we're driving in the car. And my daughter will say, you know, "Blah blah blah blah blah." And we'll -- and my wife and I will just look at each other and go, "Where did you get that?"

"Oh, Johnny said it." We're like, "What? Explain -- what were you guys talking about?" You know.

Are you telling me that for 20 years, no one in that family -- the kids didn't pick it up? They didn't hear anything and repeat something outrageous? Michelle didn't?

Beck mocked Obama daughters' "level of education." On the May 28 edition of his radio program, Beck had the following exchange with co-host Pat Gray:

BECK: (laughing) This is such a ridiculous -- this is such a ridiculous thing that his daughter -- (imitating Malia) Daddy?

GRAY: It's so stupid.

BECK: How old is his daughter? Like, 13?

GRAY: Well, one of them's, I think, 13, one's 11, or something.

BECK: "Did you plug the hole yet, daddy?" Is that's their -- that's the level of their education, that they're coming to -- they're coming to daddy and saying 'Daddy, did you plug the hole yet?' " Plug the hole!

Beck ignored previous attacks on Obama's family in his apology

Beck's statement of apology was incomplete. As Media Matters previously noted, Beck's statement of apology did not address his attack on Obama's children earlier that week, or any other instances of bringing up Obama's family during his commentary.

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    • Author by Dradeeus (June 01, 2010 7:49 pm ET)
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      I'm looking forward to the "Pants on Fire!" from politifact.
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      • Author by Bad News (June 01, 2010 8:43 pm ET)
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        "Pants on Fire"
        Are you trying to say that Glenn Beck is a Liar?
        What about his feelings for Black Children and those Creepy Desires?
        Should we call Social Services or The Police to put an end to Beck's Sexually Crossed Wires?

        Speak truth to power.


        Mr. News
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      • Author by Eric_Arthur_Blair (June 03, 2010 10:31 am ET)
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        I'd like to see his pants really burst into flame. Didn't he do a stunt where was pouring fake gasoline on some guy?

        There was a big traffic jam on Sixth Avenue. A man in a cab was getting irritated because the tie-up was going to make him late for an important appointment. Then a cop tapped on his window and he rolled it down. "What seems to be the problem, officer?" he said. "It's Glenn Beck. He's so upset about the President that he stopped his limousine and is threatening to set himself on fire if Obama doesn't resign. I'm taking up a collection to help him out." The man started reaching for his wallet and asked, "How much have you collected?" The cop hefted a large canister and said "Oh, about five and a half gallons."
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    • Author by Looking_4_Truth (June 01, 2010 7:50 pm ET)
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      Beck is one of the most despicable, vile mean to ever walk this earth. There is no distance too low for him to find his way to. As abhorrent a piece of flesh as there's ever been. Doesn't he realize that anything he puts on the airwaves can be readily verified as truth, or in most cases, lies? Except to faithful teabaggers and right-wing fanatics.
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    • Author by Invent a Scandal (June 01, 2010 8:01 pm ET)
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      I like that,
      "Beck lies," rather than "Beck falsely claims."

      The man is a liar, no doubt about it.
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      • Author by DellDolly (June 02, 2010 12:54 am ET)
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        Well, normally MMFA doesn't try to read the minds of the people they cite for saying/writing falsehoods. But here, it's clear that Beck had the intent to deceive people, and that's what turns it into a LIE from just a falsehood!
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    • Author by thaneb (June 01, 2010 8:06 pm ET)
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      Some of his regular audience will remember at least some of these past examples and it will raise doubt in their minds about his shpeel. Such a realization of discrepancies on other issues may be behind his falling ratings.
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      • Author by CoolSlaw (June 01, 2010 10:00 pm ET)
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        Don't count on it.

        Never for one minute underestimate the power of the right wing media machine and echo chamber.

        The listeners and followers of right wing media have invested so much time, faith, anger, and sometimes money into supporting these propagandists that when you confront them on lies of this nature they will dig in their heels and refuse to accept easily verified truth.

        Remember, to a right wing media consumer, everything is boiled down to a basic black-or-white, one-or-the-other situation. Since they believe Glen Beck is a "good guy" one of the following will occur:

        1) They will chalk it up as some liberal conspiracy
        2) They will parse words, add their own details and make excuses for them

        Yeah, it's weird but I've seen this principle in action.
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        • Author by anyfreedomleft (June 02, 2010 7:32 am ET)
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          CoolSlaw, you speak the truth ...

          If Beck (or any other of his illk) said "I am a Martian", and then two seconds later, denies he ever said it, even with listeners playing back the audio on their calls, the majority of his listeners would agree that he never said "I am a Martian".
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        • Author by GreenLantern (June 02, 2010 8:13 am ET)
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          CoolSlaw, I have seen this in numerous cases too! I have been told these following lines..... (and more)
          Those facts don't matter!
          You got that from the "Librul" media, so I know it's false.
          Well, faux wouldn't have put that on the air if it wasn't true and, my favorite,
          THEY do it too! (meaning any "Librul" source that does not lie to them like faux)
          Thanks for your post!
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          • Author by hugacat7374 (June 02, 2010 10:56 am ET)
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            You've mentioned my favorite one, "Those facts don't matter!"
            It must be wonderful to live in an imaginationland where you only have to use the facts that support your argument and you can disregard the ones that don't.
            Sadly, I have this problem with my boyfriend; who's father listens to Beck and then perpetuates the lies. Inevitably, I will end up hearing them and have to dispute whatever crazy claim has been made. That's when I'm told that the things I'm bringing up don't matter.
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            • Author by roundhouse (June 02, 2010 11:55 am ET)
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              To be honest, in the human decision making process, facts matter very little. 95% of cognition is subconscious and governed by emotion.

              You'd do better at convincing your boyfriend's dad, or any wingnut, by laying out your progressive narrative in a moral framework as your basis of disagreement with the rightwing lie machine.

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        • Author by coldteablues19577325 (June 02, 2010 11:36 am ET)
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          "Don't count on it.

          Never for one minute underestimate the power of the right wing media machine and echo chamber.

          The listeners and followers of right wing media have invested so much time, faith, anger, and sometimes money into supporting these propagandists that when you confront them on lies of this nature they will dig in their heels and refuse to accept easily verified truth.

          Remember, to a right wing media consumer, everything is boiled down to a basic black-or-white, one-or-the-other situation. Since they believe Glen Beck is a "good guy" one of the following will occur:

          1) They will chalk it up as some liberal conspiracy
          2) They will parse words, add their own details and make excuses for them

          Yeah, it's weird but I've seen this principle in action." --CoolSlaw


          Two names ... Lou Dobbs & Sarah Palin. They're there waiting in the wings.
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        • Author by doughpro1604643 (June 02, 2010 2:26 pm ET)
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          Yeah, you just keep believing that...makes things so much easier.
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    • Author by Lute (June 01, 2010 9:34 pm ET)
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      Maybe he thinks he the herald for the Return of the Messiah when he is just the jester of the Anti-Christ.
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    • Author by my4cents (June 01, 2010 10:04 pm ET)
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      Beck, and his followers, have turned into a cult. Except, if the Republicans get what they want this election season, they will turn into mainstream.
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    • Author by RKAllen (June 02, 2010 12:11 am ET)
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      BECK:
      Then his mother: I mean, this is -- you tell me. What scar is left when the mom leaves a son who's been abandoned by his father for Marxism -- leaves the son with his grandparents so she can pursue critical theory, which is Marxist? Both parents leave a boy for Marxism?
      Wait. Critical Theory is Marxist? Okay, he is completely dished.

      Beck is not in a war agaianst Communism/Socialism/Marxism. He is in a war against thought itself.
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      • Author by Tiredog (June 02, 2010 12:16 am ET)
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        Glenda, thinking?
        No way.

        How do you tell that Glenda is lying?

        His lips are moving.
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    • Author by jmh (June 02, 2010 12:15 am ET)
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      So, what is it exactly that is counterintuitive, to Beck, here?
      That his consistent babbling-on is a continuation of his consistent babbling-on-incoherently?
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    • Author by dwbat (June 02, 2010 1:05 am ET)
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      its almost comical how the typical listner/viewer of the right wing propaganda machine has become almost identical to a member of the inner party from george orwell's 1984. they have become so good at the principle of doublethink that the truth no longer matters, whatever fox spills out today is the absolute truth, it doesnt matter what they said yesterday, what they said yesterday doesnt exist if what they say todays says so. im fairly certain that glenn beck and friends could come out tomorrow saying that president obama is responsible for 9/11, and have a decent proportion of their listener/viewers convinced of its absolute truth
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    • Author by pam95650 (June 02, 2010 2:50 am ET)
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      This man is a PIG, with a capitol P
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      • Author by anyfreedomleft (June 02, 2010 7:34 am ET)
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        Please apologize to pigs ... they at least have nobility.
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        • Author by jjcomet514 (June 02, 2010 8:49 am ET)
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          According to animal behavior experts, pigs are smarter than dogs, which makes them four-legged Einsteins compared to Glenda...
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          • Author by magnolialover (June 02, 2010 9:26 am ET)
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            Actually, heard something recently that in the hierarchy of animal intelligence, it goes something like, primates, dolphins, dogs, crows, pigs, and down from there.

            Way off topic. But was watching this show where an animal behaviorist placed a food treat down into a narrow cylinder, and left a straight piece of wire next to it. The crow grabbed the wire in his beak, twisted it into a hook, and fished the food out of the tube so he could eat it. It was pretty amazing. They also time traffic lights, drop nuts on the road, and let the cars crush them, and then fly in when the lights turn to red to get the food.
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            • Author by epkklk851 (June 02, 2010 9:44 am ET)
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              They also develop relationships with animals in high rise apartments. I had a cat who loved the glassed in balcony, the birds would fly up every afternoon, sit on the flower pot rack and tease the cat for about 20 minutes, and then fly off. Highly entertaining for all.
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            • Author by DellDolly (June 02, 2010 11:09 am ET)
                 
              Well, SOME dog breeds, not ALL dog breeds. Some dogs are just plain dumb as rocks.
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        • Author by doughpro1604643 (June 02, 2010 10:24 am ET)
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          We know who considers pigs as noble. IMO, anything that eats its own crap, or the crap of other animals is far from noble.
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          • Author by epkklk851 (June 02, 2010 10:58 am ET)
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            Well, that explains the Teabaggers.
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            • Author by hugacat7374 (June 02, 2010 11:14 am ET)
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              What does that say about anything that eats the thing that eats its own crap?
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          • Author by coldteablues19577325 (June 02, 2010 11:56 am ET)
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            "We know who considers pigs as noble. IMO, anything that eats its own crap, or the crap of other animals is far from noble." --doughpro

            Are you speaking of the pigs or of Beck?

            If you're saying that pigs eat their own crap, perhaps you need to read this. I've never seen a pig eat it's own crap. Roll around in mud, etc. in order to cool down since they have no sweat glads yes, but as for being dirty ... that's a bit of a wives' tale.

            Now, for Beck ....

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            • Author by roundhouse (June 02, 2010 12:40 pm ET)
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              The meatpacking industry has been feeding cattle chicken feces for years.

              I know; off-topic.
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          • Author by raddave43 (June 02, 2010 1:20 pm ET)
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            Who considers pigs as noble?
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          • Author by mikehuck1976 (June 02, 2010 2:58 pm ET)
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            So, are you claiming that Beck eats his own crap, doughboy? Or do you just know nothing about pigs?
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    • Author by debfult85 (June 02, 2010 9:37 am ET)
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      Mr. & Mrs. Glenn Beck,

      This is the time Mr. Beck, the press works this week, bury the story on Friday, sorry apology Mr. Beck. You are very self deceived, you say you suffer from alcholism, and you know you don't have to drink for sanity to have returned. If you really care about your family, please retire and get help. anonymity, and what do we say, attraction rather the promotion. Mr. Glen promoting hate is not attractive. I believe you may not understand this family illness you are putting one through, get help now! See ya
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    • Author by doughpro1604643 (June 02, 2010 10:19 am ET)
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      If these can be considered "attacks", then every single member of the media is guilty of the same thing. The same thing has been done to Sarah Palin, but I didn't see any MMFA outrage over that.
      Care to explain why?
      Rush was discussing the same thing about the daughter. Why isn't it on the front page here?
      When is MMFA going to report on the misinformation coming from the other side of the aisle? How about Tavis Smiley lying about knowing for a fact that Christians commit more murders in this country than terrorists have? Or his lying about the violence of tea party groups, and the arrests at their gatherings? Those comments are blatant misinformation. Where is the MMFA outrage?
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      • Author by DellDolly (June 02, 2010 11:11 am ET)
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        This guy's just a troll. Ignore him whenever possible. He's not looking to participate in a fair and reasonable debate, as evidenced by his post's contents above, which distort reality, present items dishonestly, omit relevant info, etc.
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        • Author by doughpro1604643 (June 02, 2010 11:23 am ET)
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          If my comments do not incite a fair and reasonable debate on this subject, then whose comments do?
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          • Author by southerngal (June 02, 2010 12:39 pm ET)
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            Whenever Sue (aka Dolly) can't effectively rebut something she calls you a troll and hauls out her infamous whine about not participating in a fair and reasonable debate - which is so incredibly ironic considering she is incapable of it.

            Or she just says "Screw You". Right Sue?
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            • Author by DellDolly (June 02, 2010 2:00 pm ET)
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              Again, another troll, a paid one this time, making a post full of baseless personal attacks that's not intended to further any debate, but is solely intended to garner negative attention.

              This guy's just a troll. Ignore him whenever possible. He's not looking to participate in a fair and reasonable debate, as evidenced by his post's contents above, which distort reality, present items dishonestly, omit relevant info, etc.
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              • Author by southerngal (June 02, 2010 2:11 pm ET)
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                Is "Screw You" a fair and reasonable debate tactic, Sue? Where did you learn that, a back alley?

                Phony. Hypocrite. Whiner. Liar.
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      • Author by raddave43 (June 02, 2010 1:12 pm ET)
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        The outrage is over Beck saying that he has never done it before when he clearly has. The purpose of MMFA is to expose conservative media misinformation and when Beck stated that he has never done this before, he was LYING.
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      • Author by jaguarundi (June 03, 2010 1:02 pm ET)
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        MMFA's purpose statement says they are dedicated to comprehensively monitoring, analyzing, and correcting conservative misinformation in the U.S. media.
        They are not tasked to monitoring, analyzing, and correcting Librul media. Please look somewhere else for this, there are PLENTY of sites for you to go to.
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    • Author by coldteablues19577325 (June 02, 2010 11:24 am ET)
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      He was caught red handed. What he just said was no more than "damage control." Hopefully, it comes WAYYYYY to late.
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    • Author by mikelartist (June 02, 2010 11:35 am ET)
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      Can I borrow your Christmas Sweater Glenda? I laughed so hard at you getting spanked by Media Matters with your own words that I vomited on the floor. I need a barf rag. Your xmas sweater is barf worthy isn't it? I am sure it has come in handy over the years with your "drinking troubles"
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      • Author by doughpro1604643 (June 02, 2010 12:35 pm ET)
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        Do you honestly think that MMFA had anything to do with it? Because MMFA is so successful at eliciting responses from all of its targets? Hundreds of accusations, hundreds of attempts to discredit, and still nobody bothers.
        Also, why do you feel it necessary to use elementary school insults?
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        • Author by roundhouse (June 02, 2010 12:44 pm ET)
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          Responses from offending parties are not relevant, I mean who cares what these liars have to about MMfA?

          The real measure of the success of this site is tallied in the citizen activism they inspire.
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          • Author by doughpro1604643 (June 02, 2010 2:14 pm ET)
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            For example?
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            • Author by roundhouse (June 02, 2010 3:03 pm ET)
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              Imus and Beck can tell you better than I.
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              • Author by doughpro1604643 (June 03, 2010 11:00 am ET)
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                The ploy may have worked with Imus, and that is your greatest victory, isn't it? We see where he is now, but we also see what has happened to the ratings of the network news outlets now.
                It will not happen again, since the bias of MMFA is now known. You people beat your heads against the wall going after all that is to the right of the aisle, and nothing else. People get tired of negativity, especially when they see a MSM that is failing horribly at what it is intended to do.
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    • Author by armendale (June 02, 2010 11:49 am ET)
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      Isn't Glenn doing exactly what he's accusing Obama of? Using his wife as a political shield here?

      BTW, you expect the MSM to try to muzzle freedom.
      But Glenn's own wife trying to take away his freedom to smear 11-year-old girls?


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      • Author by coldteablues19577325 (June 02, 2010 12:02 pm ET)
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        "Isn't Glenn doing exactly what he's accusing Obama of? Using his wife as a political shield here?

        BTW, you expect the MSM to try to muzzle freedom.
        But Glenn's own wife trying to take away his freedom to smear 11-year-old girls?" --armendale


        Wait, wait, we're supposed to believe this whopper too? Do you really believe that his wife took him to task for bashing Malia? Couldn't it be yet ANOTHER fabrication not just a shield?
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        • Author by doughpro1604643 (June 02, 2010 12:37 pm ET)
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          Wait, wait, we're supposed to believe this whopper too? Do you really believe that his wife took him to task for bashing Malia? Couldn't it be yet ANOTHER fabrication not just a shield?


          Would it matter? Would you believe it anyway? Obviously it doesn't matter, and you only seem to believe what MMFA tells you, so why even ask that question?
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          • Author by mary59 (June 02, 2010 1:37 pm ET)
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            "you only seem to believe what MMFA tells you"

            Actually, it's reading the transcripts, viewing the video and hearing the audio of the Beck that convinces us that he is a malicious growth.
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            • Author by doughpro1604643 (June 02, 2010 2:13 pm ET)
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              You are entitled to your opinion. He must be doing something right, since his shows are very successful. If he were a liar, don't you think that a majority of the public would be smart enough to recognize that?
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              • Author by raddave43 (June 02, 2010 2:26 pm ET)
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                His shows seem to be losing steam rapidly. Viewership down by 30%, losing advertisers left and right.
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              • Author by mikehuck1976 (June 02, 2010 3:09 pm ET)
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                If he were a liar, don't you think that a majority of the public would be smart enough to recognize that? - doughboy

                Yes. And luckily, they are. A VERY small percentage of Americans take him seriously at all.
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              • Author by jaguarundi (June 03, 2010 1:20 pm ET)
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                Trying to enlighten Glenn's audience is equivalent to trying to enlighten Evangelical Fundamentalists on the accuracy of Evolution. Thankfully the Koolaid-drinkers on the liberal side are fewer in number and percentage that the number/percentage on the conservative side. NO AMOUNT of facts will sway the opinion of most of his audience. When faced with an overwhelming preponderance of evidence they'll just move on to the next talking point and circle back to the same false statements later. It's like trying to teach a child with a severe learning disability - very frustrating.

                I also find that liberals have a better sense of humor and thicker skin when it comes to mocking their own. You are a perfect example doughpro just like Floyd and a few others.
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            • Author by coldteablues19577325 (June 03, 2010 7:13 pm ET)
                 
              ""you only seem to believe what MMFA tells you"

              Actually, it's reading the transcripts, viewing the video and hearing the audio of the Beck that convinces us that he is a malicious growth." --mary59


              'Zactly! And why is it that doughpro only seems capable of answering questions with questions?
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          • Author by coldteablues19577325 (June 03, 2010 7:26 pm ET)
               
            "Would it matter? Would you believe it anyway? Obviously it doesn't matter, and you only seem to believe what MMFA tells you, so why even ask that question?" --doughpro

            And you, my dear doughpro, presume an awful lot about me. Beck is a grown a$$ man who ardently made fun of an 11 year old girl ... laughing about it ... going on and on and on in that very creepy voice over the air waves! Sheesh, and then ONLY admitted doing such much later and supposedly admitting going off on his wife for pointing out his fault for making fun of the girl over SUCH AN IMPORTANT thing (your words not mine ... see below) as the oil spill:

            "by doughpro1604643 (June 02, 2010 4:42 pm ET)

            There is a time and place to "socialize" and to share "anecdotes" regarding family, and when discussing a disaster this extreme is not the time."


            The difference with what Beck did is that there is never a time or place for a grown man to bully an 11 year old girl ... especially over the VERY public airwaves and expect to not be 'owned' for doing so.
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      • Author by roundhouse (June 02, 2010 12:47 pm ET)
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        "BTW, you expect the MSM to try to muzzle freedom."

        Absolutely false. It's about holding liars accountable for their words and deeds. You know, personal responsibility and all that.
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        • Author by armendale (June 02, 2010 1:02 pm ET)
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          sorry for the confusion. That should've read:
          "BTW, If you're Glenn Beck, you expect the MSM to try to muzzle freedom."
          (not your own wife)
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    • Author by armendale (June 02, 2010 11:57 am ET)
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      Whether it's lying to himself to believe that he hadn't smeared Obama's daughter, or lying to others, Glenn, like most cult leaders, relies heavily on the art of deception.

      Understand that some Right-wingers justify lying and subterfuge in the name of Jesus in keeping with << Matthew 10:16 >>
      “Behold, I am sending you out as sheep in the midst of wolves, so be wise as serpents and innocent as doves."

      The best known reference to the nature of the serpent of course comes in the book of Genesis as that of The Deceiver who corrupted man in the Garden.




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    • Author by guynamedjoe (June 02, 2010 12:06 pm ET)
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      I would think that examining Obama's background would have been done while he was campaigning for office. Unfortunately, this wasn't done in the MSM, which worked out pretty well for his supporters. However, we're stuck with the decision made in '08 and we wonder why the Great Obama is acting the way he does, so, now the investigation has been ongoing and Obama's supporters seem upset by Beck's allegations, so, the name calling goes on and on.

      Personally, I think Obama's one of the worst things to happen to the U.S.A. and I hope that come November, we as citizens will make our voice heard in the ballott box to bring some sense to the body politic to clear out the corruption and insanity to get back to the freedoms that our history has tried to protect.
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      • Author by mary59 (June 02, 2010 12:36 pm ET)
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        You know, this post is another attempt to re-write history. Obama's background was examined extensively, and lied about by right-wing hacks on a regular basis.

        Obama should receive reasonable criticism for some of his policies. But people such as Beck are just throwing out ridiculous labels and making bogus statements on a regular basis. There is nothing "radical" about any of the things he has done or proposed. He's a centrist and astoundingly, still tries to be bi-partisan in the face of all evidence that the Republicans have no intention to support anything he proposes.

        Since Beck got caught out going after Obama's family you'd like to divert the conversation. Wake up to the kind of person you support.
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        • Author by doughpro1604643 (June 02, 2010 1:09 pm ET)
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          Obama's background was examined, but why do we still know so little about him? Why are there still so many unanswered questions? You don't think that a "fundamental transformation" (Obama's words) is radical? You really believe he's "bi-partisan"? Give me an example of his bi-partisanship. Why should the Republicans support things they don't believe in? Isn't that the reason for two parties?
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          • Author by raddave43 (June 02, 2010 1:18 pm ET)
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            Because you failed to listen during the campaign. Example of his bi-partisianship? You do realize that the President doesn't run the legislative branch, right? But how about including Republicons in the health care debate, financial reform, adding Repubugnants ammendments to these bills, but then the publikuns voting against them anyway?
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            • Author by doughpro1604643 (June 02, 2010 1:49 pm ET)
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              I had a feeling you would use the only example, the clown show that he put on with the health care debate. That was an insult to constituents with half a brain. He was looking to ridicule the republicans, that was no show of bi-partisanship.
              Can you show me examples of republican amendments that have been added to the health care bill or the financial reform bill?

              As for not listening during his campaign, I did listen, and I heard nothing. I heard a bunch of campaign promises (of which all but one has been broken), I heard campaign rhetoric, nothing about the man himself. The only clue to that are his books, and if one were to base an opinion on them, I would say that he should never have been elected president.
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              • Author by mary59 (June 02, 2010 2:12 pm ET)
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                You're saying that you read his books? Describe them to us. As far as campaign promises, more than "one" have been kept. He inherited a mess. Wish you would admit that and give your prejudice a pause.

                http://www.france24.com/en/20100119-accomplishments-setbacks-stalemates-obama%E2%80%99-first-year-review-0

                http://www.cnewmark.com/2010/01/media-ignoring-obama-accomplishments.html#tp
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                • Author by doughpro1604643 (June 02, 2010 2:50 pm ET)
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                  Congratulations, Mary! It took over 3 hours before someone actually brought "prejudice" into the conversation. I wish I had a prize to give you.
                  Even if BO "inherited a mess", why is he not taking the proper measures to get us out of it? Obscene spending is not how you get out of an economic downturn (especially one that was created, in part, by increased regulation on banks and mortgage companies), unless your intent is to destroy that economy.
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                  • Author by raddave43 (June 02, 2010 2:53 pm ET)
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                    He has taken the proper measures to get us out of it. You can try to deny it all you want, but the economy is showing signs of improvement. The economic downturn was caused by the de-regulation of banks and mortgage companies, NOT the other way around.
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                    • Author by doughpro1604643 (June 03, 2010 10:52 am ET)
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                      Are you kidding??? What on earth makes you think that we can spend our way out of a recession? It is literally impossible. That is how Europe works, and we see what is happening over there.
                      The economic downturn started with the housing bubble bust, and we know how that started. Also, playing with the banks by forcing unneeded bailouts, meddling with mergers, and forcing the purchase of one bank by another did not help. What "de-regulation" are you talking about?
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                      • Author by mary59 (June 03, 2010 6:05 pm ET)
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                        Doh....start with the deregulation of savings & loans in the Reagan era. Don't know if you remember what happened as a result of that?

                        Then there was the repeal of the Glass-Steigle Act which had protected consumers since the Roosevelt era from banks placing bets against the mortgages they held, among other things. Thanks to Republican corporatists pushing that deregulation, that led to the housing bubble/crisis/collapse.

                        Mortgage debt was the last pawn in the big libertarian wet dream that deregulation would solve everything. When wages are depressed, since they've been since Reagan, the economy can only grow by debt. After people maxed out their credit cards and mortgages, there's no new source of debt to grow the economy. This has been brewing for a long time.
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                  • Author by raddave43 (June 02, 2010 2:54 pm ET)
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                    BTW "prejudice" isn't the same as being racist.
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                  • Author by raddave43 (June 02, 2010 2:56 pm ET)
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                    And one more thing, his name isn't BO, that's thier dog. He is the President and deserves the respect that is to be shown the person holding that office.
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                    • Author by doughpro1604643 (June 03, 2010 10:36 am ET)
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                      You mean the same kind of respect that Bush rec'd from MMFA while he was in office?
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                      • Author by mary59 (June 03, 2010 9:47 pm ET)
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                        Seriously. MMFA printed conservative misinformation then as now. The Bush administration pumped out plenty of that. I never read any MM article that disrespected Bush, however.
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              • Author by raddave43 (June 02, 2010 2:18 pm ET)
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                How was it an insult to repugnants? There were 3 of 6 members of a committee, drafting the bill that were from the party of "no" including Chuck "They're going to kill grannie" Grassley. He didn't have to redicule the publicons because they did it to themselves. Since it is common and public knowledge that ammendments submitted by republicons were added to the bill, I am not going to waste time by "showing you examples" Even the party of "can't say yes to anything from this President," was calling for financial reform until it came up for a vote in Congress. Why do you think by basing one's opinions of The President's book that one shouldn't have voted for him?
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                • Author by doughpro1604643 (June 02, 2010 2:52 pm ET)
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                  Why do you think by basing one's opinions of The President's book that one shouldn't have voted for him?

                  Because they clearly displayed his racism for one thing.
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          • Author by roundhouse (June 02, 2010 1:23 pm ET)
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            We are supposed to have competing ideologies in government so that we can iron out our differences and forge agreeable compromises for the greater good. What we have in the current Republican minority is a group of spoiled brats who want it their way, who want more of the same tax cuts and deregulation that ruined the economy in the first place.

            A fundamental transformation from the old destructive conservative retrenchment of the social contract is the very radical change this country needs to bring back broad prosperity.
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            • Author by doughpro1604643 (June 02, 2010 2:05 pm ET)
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              And so far it has worked out so well, correct?

              History shows that increased taxes stifle an economy, and regulation stifles business. Although some regulation may be needed to keep products safe, it is fact that ever increasing and stifling regulation is killing small business. Since you all believe that the corporation is the friend of the right only, tell me why this administration is killing small businesses? The minimum wage increase was a job-killer, and a small business killer, and we all know who was responsible for that, right?

              You open your comment making sense, but then you follow that sentence with another that leads me to believe that you don't agree with your first sentence. Which do you believe in? What would be the ideal behavior to "iron out differences..."?
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              • Author by raddave43 (June 02, 2010 2:23 pm ET)
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                History shows that increased taxes stifle an economy, and regulation stifles business. Although some regulation may be needed to keep products safe, it is fact that ever increasing and stifling regulation is killing small business


                Actually history shows that our country's economy thrived when taxes were increased and at higher levels than they are now. Look at the 50s for an example of this. And there is no evidence that regulation kills small businesses either, this is just wingnut talking points. Minimum wage killed jobs? Are you out of your mind? Stating the fact that repulicons have decided to block everything that the President proposes is not disagreeing with his first sentance either.
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                • Author by doughpro1604643 (June 02, 2010 2:36 pm ET)
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                  I stand by everything I said. Can you prove otherwise?
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                  • Author by raddave43 (June 02, 2010 2:45 pm ET)
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                    Throughout the 1950s tax policy was increasingly seen as a tool for raising revenue and for changing the incentives in the economy, but also as a tool for stabilizing macroeconomic activity. The economy remained subject to frequent boom and bust cycles and many policymakers readily accepted the new economic policy of raising or lowering taxes and spending to adjust aggregate demand and thereby smooth the business cycle. Even so, however, the maximum tax rate in 1954 remained at 87 percent of taxable income. While the income tax underwent some manner of revision or amendment almost every year since the major reorganization of 1954, certain years marked especially significant changes. For example, the Tax Reform Act of 1969 reduced income tax rates for individuals and private foundations.


                    Yes, history does show what I claimed. The maximum marginal tax rate was as high as 90% in the 50s.
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                    • Author by southerngal (June 02, 2010 3:04 pm ET)
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                      JFK didn't think so..
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                      • Author by raddave43 (June 02, 2010 3:17 pm ET)
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                        So, does this make it a fact? You do realize that Kennedy did have a vested interest in lowering tax rates because his family was and is one of the "super wealthy" of this country.
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                      • Author by roundhouse (June 02, 2010 3:19 pm ET)
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                        What you guys always omit is that JFK lowered taxes AND closed loopholes, effectively raising actual taxes on the wealthy.
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                    • Author by doughpro1604643 (June 02, 2010 3:16 pm ET)
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                      One instance where the economy improved after taxes were cut
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                      • Author by raddave43 (June 02, 2010 3:20 pm ET)
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                        Come on you can do better than the Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank.
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                        • Author by doughpro1604643 (June 02, 2010 3:44 pm ET)
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                          Okay, then, how about the record tax receipts during the Reagan administration, and the stifling taxes and recession of the Carter era?
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                          • Author by raddave43 (June 02, 2010 4:05 pm ET)
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                            The recession under Carter was not caused by stifling taxes, it was caused by stifling gas prices and shortages during that time.
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                      • Author by roundhouse (June 02, 2010 3:26 pm ET)
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                        The Heritage Foundation? Really?

                        Couldn't you find at least a nonpartisan think tank to prove your point?
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                        • Author by doughpro1604643 (June 02, 2010 4:13 pm ET)
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                          Can you provide a better one?
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                          • Author by roundhouse (June 02, 2010 5:10 pm ET)
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                            Yes. But I would just be giving you links to progressive think tanks. Where would we be then?
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                  • Author by raddave43 (June 02, 2010 2:50 pm ET)
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                    I also forgot about the wingnut savior Ronnie Raygun's time in office. The economy didn't start showing improvement until after he rolled back his initial tax cuts.
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                  • Author by roundhouse (June 02, 2010 2:51 pm ET)
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                    He doesn't need to prove anything. History, actual history, proves him right.
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          • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (June 02, 2010 4:04 pm ET)
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            Obama's background was examined, but why do we still know so little about him?

            Right-wing la la land translation: We have examined President Obama from top to bottom and have even gone so far as to make up sh*t about him, yet people STILL view our party as pathetic losers, who sat silence through 8 year of the worst President since Herbert Hoover.

            Why are there still so many unanswered questions?

            Right-wing la la land translation: As long as President Obama remains President, NO answer given to ANY question will EVER be good enough.

            You don't think that a "fundamental transformation" (Obama's words) is radical?

            Right-wing la la translation: La la la la la la la...Sarah Palin.....Sarah Palin has a high IQ, or is it Sarah Palin is high...oh well....Sarah Palin.....la la la la la

            You really believe he's "bi-partisan"?

            Right-wing la la land translation: If President Obama proposed MORE tax breaks for the wealthest 1% (our friends and people we aspire to be like), started ANOTHER war with ANOTHER oil rich country AND gave big oil the right to drill wherever the h*ll they wanted, we'd STILL vote NO and not support him.

            Give me an example of his bi-partisanship.

            Right-wing la la land translation: No example needed, because anytime we hear the name President Obama, our answer is NO, he's a radical, non-American, or whatever!

            Why should the Republicans support things they don't believe in?

            Right-wing la la land translation: We Republicans are ONLY concern with getting back in power because our wealthy, corrupt friends need more money to blow on hookers, boys and anything else they want. And we believe in ANYTHING that will get us back in power, just tell us what it is.

            Isn't that the reason for two parties?

            Right-wing la la land translation: Who needs a two party system since we Republicans have a lock on family values and Jesus. Of course, when we fail (99% of the time) at our family values theme, we can always fall back on our Christian/Jesus/God theme.
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            • Author by doughpro1604643 (June 02, 2010 4:18 pm ET)
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              I see you are the typical indoctrinated moonbat that only parrots left-wing talking points. Keep skirting around those questions and let someone else answer.
              Have any independent thought in there?
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              • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (June 02, 2010 4:41 pm ET)
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                I see you are the typical indoctrinated moonbat that only parrots left-wing talking points. Keep skirting around those questions and let someone else answer.
                Have any independent thought in there?

                WHAT don't YOU know about President Obama?
                WHAT questions do YOU have that have not been answered.
                WHAT do YOU believe in (don't say smaller government after 8 years of Bush and the Republican congress)?

                You talk about indoctrinated thinking yet YOU pose the same old tired right-wing talking points (what do we know about President Obama)line yet NEVER bother to ask a SINGLE question?
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                • Author by mary59 (June 02, 2010 5:24 pm ET)
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                  Dough boy does a fair amount of projection.

                  All he's got are his opinions. Take those away & he's shivering & empty. By the way, great to "see" you on here, pearlene.
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                  • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (June 02, 2010 9:47 pm ET)
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                    Thanks Mary!:-)

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                    • Author by mescal (June 03, 2010 2:02 am ET)
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                      Outstanding posts, pearline. Dilldoughpro may not have the mental acuity to realize it, but he just got set straight.
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                • Author by doughpro1604643 (June 03, 2010 10:02 am ET)
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                  What questions have I not answered?

                  WHAT don't YOU know about President Obama?
                  WHAT questions do YOU have that have not been answered.


                  Nothing about his performance in college, just a claim that he went to Harvard. All we know about him is what he has written in his books. No classmates remember him from any school he attended. Why does he support and still associate with radicals? Why is he a fan of Chavez? Why does he insist on using czars in his administration? Why does he still talk to the public like he's still on the campaign trail. Why is he still pushing his healthcare bill even though it has passed? Why has he broken so many campaign promises?

                  WHAT do YOU believe in (don't say smaller government after 8 years of Bush and the Republican congress)?

                  I do believe in smaller gov't, the Constitution, and the free market system. I don't recall saying that I was a fan of the things Bush did.
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                  • Author by Eric_Arthur_Blair (June 03, 2010 10:48 am ET)
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                    According to the Truth-O-Meter, President Obama's campaign promise ratio is 113 kept, 19 broken. That's pretty dam good considering how obstructionist the Republicans have been.

                    Oh, I'm sorry. I mentioned dispassionate facts. That'll upset your limited mind, doughbrain.
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                  • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (June 04, 2010 5:00 pm ET)
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                    Nothing about his performance in college, just a claim that he went to Harvard.

                    Come on D, you've got to be kidding!
                    Obama, 28, who in February became the first black to be elected president in the 102-year history of the prestigious student-run law journal.
                    The post, considered the highest honor a student can attain at Harvard Law School, almost always leads to a coveted clerkship with the U.S. Supreme Court after graduation and a lucrative offer from the law firm of one's choice.

                    Does THAT answer your question?

                    All we know about him is what he has written in his books
                    .

                    That's all YOU know, not "we".

                    No classmates remember him from any school he attended.

                    Did YOU do ANY research D, or did you rely on what Limbo, Glenda and the other right-wing nuts jobs told you?

                    Unlike many peer-review professional journals, the law review is run solely by students. It is widely considered the major forum for current legal debate and consequently is watched closely by courts around the country.

                    It was a marathon selection process, an arcane throwback to the early days of the review. The students editors deliberated behind closed doors from 8:30 a.m. until early the next day. The 19 anxious candidates took turns cooking breakfast, lunch and dinner for the selection committee, whose members emerged with a historic decision.

                    There had to be at least 18 other students who were part of the process and you can d*mn well believe IF President Obama was lying SOMEONE would have said SOMETHING!

                    Why does he support and still associate with radicals?

                    Come on D, ANOTHER one of those crazy right-wing loony questions?

                    You must be talking about Bill Ayers, who was a radical BACK IN THE FREAKING 60's!

                    Bill Ayers is an adult and has changed like most people who grow from young men/woman into adulthood.

                    Why is he a fan of Chavez?

                    That not a serious question just more of the Limbo, Glenda right-wing crazy!

                    Why does he insist on using czars in his administration?

                    Probably the same reason other Presidents have used them.

                    The fact that you find fault with President Obama using them speaks volumes about you bias.

                    Why does he still talk to the public like he's still on the campaign trail. Why is he still pushing his healthcare bill even though it has passed?


                    D, those aren't really questions, you just didn't want to admit YOU don;t have question UNLESS Limbo, Glenda and the other loonies on the right ask them.

                    Why has he broken so many campaign promises?

                    Why don't you ask that questions AFTER he's been in office for 4 years!
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      • Author by roundhouse (June 02, 2010 12:57 pm ET)
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        So you think, perhaps, that the rudderless McCain and the quitter/loser/religious zealot/self-aggrandizing opportunist Palin would have been better?

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        • Author by mary59 (June 02, 2010 1:02 pm ET)
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          Round, give him some slack. He's just a guy named joe, and his last impacted sentence took everything out of him.
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        • Author by doughpro1604643 (June 02, 2010 2:05 pm ET)
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          Wow, that Palin really gets to you, doesn't she? What has she done to deserve that?
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          • Author by roundhouse (June 02, 2010 2:40 pm ET)
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            Well, she quit the governor job to go make money in tv (quitter, opportunist) She wants to use government to tell us how to live according to her religious beliefs. (zealot)
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            • Author by doughpro1604643 (June 02, 2010 3:22 pm ET)
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              She resigned her position to prevent the onslaught of frivolous lawsuits that were being waged on her by whiny, pathetic fringe groups that were sent to Alaska to put her under a microscope. She resigned to save the state of Alaska the expense of having to repeatedly defend her in court, and to steer the cockroaches in another direction.
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              • Author by roundhouse (June 02, 2010 3:34 pm ET)
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                Nice story. If by frivolous, you mean ethics probes and abuse of power investigations, then have at it.


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                • Author by doughpro1604643 (June 02, 2010 4:25 pm ET)
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                  Was there any substance to any of them?
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                  • Author by roundhouse (June 02, 2010 4:33 pm ET)
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                    Yeah, you just keep believing that...makes things so much easier. Hahahahaha.

                    Seriously, how would we know? She bailed on the people before she had her day in court.
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              • Author by raddave43 (June 02, 2010 4:07 pm ET)
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                Funny, her reason for resigning were that she wasn't going to run for re-election and wanted to spare Alaskans of having a lame duck Governor.
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              • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (June 02, 2010 4:49 pm ET)
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                She resigned her position to prevent the onslaught of frivolous lawsuits that were being waged on her by whiny, pathetic fringe groups that were sent to Alaska to put her under a microscope. She resigned to save the state of Alaska the expense of having to repeatedly defend her in court, and to steer the cockroaches in another direction.

                Yeah, I'm sure that's the reason!

                1. A book deal with Harper-Collins for 'Going Rogue' - $7 million, 2.2 million copies sold so far
                2. $12 million earned in the last year
                3. 3 year deal with Fox Noise worth 1 million each year
                4. $100,000 per speech (with a ride specifying bendy straws
                5. Private travel by Lear Jet as $1,500 per hour.

                Yeah, Palin resigned for the people of Alaska!
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                • Author by doughpro1604643 (June 02, 2010 4:56 pm ET)
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                  If that's the case, I guess she is even more dangerous to the left than I thought.
                  Sounds like she is in demand.
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                  • Author by raddave43 (June 02, 2010 5:09 pm ET)
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                    Dangerous? No, we love Sarah and really hopes she will be the republicon nomination in 2012
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      • Author by raddave43 (June 02, 2010 2:57 pm ET)
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        What freedoms have you lost under this administration?
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        • Author by doughpro1604643 (June 02, 2010 3:47 pm ET)
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          The freedom to choose my own health care coverage. Government health care will be used to justify almost any restraint on freedom.
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          • Author by DellDolly (June 02, 2010 3:52 pm ET)
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            He's a lying troll out to garner negative attention. Here he's lying about losing freedom to choose his own health care coverage.

            Why do you do folks continue to feed him?
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          • Author by raddave43 (June 02, 2010 4:04 pm ET)
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            You still have the freedom to purchase your own health care coverage. There was no government takeover or single payer provision in the new law.
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            • Author by doughpro1604643 (June 02, 2010 4:32 pm ET)
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              So you don't think that the increased regulation on insurance companies providing health care is going to force them to raise rates so high that the average worker will not be able to afford it?
              BO is not going to make the stripping of freedoms obvious, he is going to use gov't agencies and increased regulation on companies and private citizens. He has already started.
              Do you not think that if the gov't is going to provide you with healthcare, that they are not going to tell you what you can and can't eat? They have already started with the regulations, all because they think we are too stupid to take care of ourselves.
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              • Author by roundhouse (June 02, 2010 4:45 pm ET)
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                "So you don't think that the increased regulation on insurance companies providing health care is going to force them to raise rates so high that the average worker will not be able to afford it?"

                Typical rightwing market fundie diarrhea. Whatever. They'll just price themselves out of business. Besides, the president, in an act of bi-partisanship, adopted a tax credit plan from the right to accommodate those who cannot afford coverage.
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              • Author by raddave43 (June 02, 2010 4:47 pm ET)
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                Again, you provide no evidence of any of your freedoms being taken away, you just spew wingnut talking points. The government isn't going to provide healthcare, so that is a moot point. And since other countries have government ran healthcare and they do not tell their people what to eat I would say yes I would believe it.
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                • Author by doughpro1604643 (June 02, 2010 4:53 pm ET)
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                  You seriously need to get your head out of the sand. You have no clue what you are talking about. Why don't you find a reliable source out of this country, to find out about nationalized health care?
                  What makes you think the gov't is not going to provide healthcare?
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                  • Author by roundhouse (June 02, 2010 5:08 pm ET)
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                    "Why don't you find a reliable source out of this country, to find out about nationalized health care?"

                    So says the guy who regurgitates rightwing talking points from the Heritage Foundation. Get real, buddy.

                    No sir. You need to get your head out of the sand. Healthcare is freedom. It's as FDR said, "the necessitous man is not a free man."

                    If you are sick, cannot work and have no access to healthcare you are not free. You are a slave to the profit makers.

                    We are empathetic beings, not rational self interested actors. We are citizens, not mere consumers. We have civic obligations, human imperatives, to look out and care for one another. That's what healthcare reform is about; making our nation stronger by keeping us all healthy and ensuring a better future.

                    Now, your worldview may require you to blame individuals who can't afford coverage for our broken healthcare system because you believe the system is a fair market, but consumerism is not citizenship.

                    If social justice and/or the common good are seen as perversions of democracy, as infringements on freedom and each individual's right to self-interested activity, then anyone who proposes measures like health care for all is a fascist or a socialist or some other totalitarian beast. Meanwhile you argue wholeheartedly on behalf of corporate totalitarianism to usurp our government of, by and for the people.

                    I pity you.
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                    • Author by doughpro1604643 (June 03, 2010 9:37 am ET)
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                      Your cut and paste habit is getting boring. How about some original thought?
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                      • Author by roundhouse (June 03, 2010 10:33 am ET)
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                        Take a hike.

                        What did I cut and paste? Or is it just that you have no principled, moral foundation from which to counter? Maybe you only know to say what you are told say?

                        You are like a festering pustule on the genitalia of conservative thought.

                        Creep.
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                  • Author by raddave43 (June 02, 2010 5:37 pm ET)
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                    I don't? I lived for 9 of the last 20 years in Europe. My wife and her family are from Europe. So, I think I have a better perspective of how other countries' health care systems are compared to ours. What makes me think the government is not going to provide healthcare? The law does.
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    • Author by armendale (June 02, 2010 12:29 pm ET)
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      Obama hating Beck apologists find comfort in the nest of ignorance that Glenn and the FOX clan provide. It is therefore understandable why the majority of FOX followers who tune out most other media, would have such a deeply distorted view of reality (i.e. believing there WERE WMD found in Iraq).

      There will always be some who periodically stray from the teat of the conspiratorial propaganda that spews daily from FOX long enough to take a swipe at Media Matters while regurgitating the hate-filled talking points they learn from Glenn and others.
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      • Author by doughpro1604643 (June 02, 2010 1:11 pm ET)
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        Is that all you have, is the "no WMD" story? Give us another example of a "deeply distorted view of reality".
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        • Author by mary59 (June 02, 2010 1:26 pm ET)
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          Just browse through this web site, paying particular attention to everything Beck says.
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          • Author by mary59 (June 02, 2010 1:33 pm ET)
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            There's oneto get you started.
            Round is totally right, below. If you breeze past that one, there isn't much more to say.
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            • Author by doughpro1604643 (June 02, 2010 2:08 pm ET)
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              So it's okay for Pelosi to insinuate that tea party groups are "nazis", but Beck cannot use that reference?

              Did you, by any chance, listen to Beck's whole conversation on the subject, or just what MMFA told you?
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              • Author by raddave43 (June 02, 2010 2:28 pm ET)
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                No, its not appropriate for anyone to compare the other side to NAZIs because it wouldn't be true and is insulting
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                • Author by Disputed Zone (June 02, 2010 9:56 pm ET)
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                  Of course, Pelosi insinuated no such thing. She noted, correctly, that tea party people were calling Obama and the Democrats Nazis.
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            • Author by mary59 (June 02, 2010 2:17 pm ET)
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              Breezing away, I see.

              Anything at all about Beck's vile comments?
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              • Author by doughpro1604643 (June 02, 2010 2:34 pm ET)
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                You know, I would tend to agree with you if his comments had actually been aimed at BO's daughter. Fact is, he was ridiculing Obama for the ridiculous story. What was BO's reason for bringing his daughter into the situation? Why even bother to set her up in that manner? Why even share what her thoughts were? We are only interested in what he's doing, and now all this commotion about "what Malia said" is taking away from the fact that BO is failing in his response to this matter.
                Expertly played by him, wouldn't you say?
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                • Author by raddave43 (June 02, 2010 2:41 pm ET)
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                  So it's the President's fault that Beck has no class? And only stated last week that families should be off limits?
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                • Author by mary59 (June 02, 2010 2:41 pm ET)
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                  "BECK: How old is his daughter? Like, 13?

                  GRAY: Well, one of them's, I think, 13, one's 11, or something.

                  BECK: "Did you plug the hole yet, daddy?" Is that's their -- that's the level of their education, that they're coming to -- they're coming to daddy and saying 'Daddy, did you plug the hole yet?' " Plug the hole!"

                  How you can possibly justify this is beyond me.
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                • Author by mary59 (June 02, 2010 2:41 pm ET)
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                  Read the transcript. Beck is clearly making fun of a child.

                  How you can possibly justify this is beyond me.
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                  • Author by doughpro1604643 (June 02, 2010 3:51 pm ET)
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                    If you were listening to his show, instead of a sound bite from MMFA, you would be able to comprehend the context of the comment.
                    How you can justify criticism of a comment taken out of context is beyond me.
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                    • Author by raddave43 (June 02, 2010 4:12 pm ET)
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                      No you claim it was taken out of context. Good One!
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                    • Author by mary59 (June 02, 2010 4:17 pm ET)
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                      Wow. the old "out of context" comment. Sorry, there is nothing you can do to make this look good. Of course, if you want to put in a more complete transcript, showing what was left out, we'd be more than happy to look at it.
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                    • Author by mescal (June 03, 2010 2:16 am ET)
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                      Why don't you provide us with a context that would justify Dreck ridiculing an eleven year old girl, Dilldoughpro? What relevant section of Dreck's vicious diatribe was ignored and/or edited out by MMFA? We'd all love to hear you back up your claim. Otherwise, you come off looking like an unblinking, slack-jawed, drooling, and desperate wingnut in a panic to defend his psycho idol.
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                      • Author by doughpro1604643 (June 03, 2010 9:49 am ET)
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                        In your opinion, of course. I must say, though, that you sound like a 10-year-old who feels that name-calling and ridicule is the only way to communicate. 10-year-old's are not informed enough to have an honest debate, so I will not waste my time or yours.
                        If you sense desperation in my posts, then maybe you should look up the meaning of the word.
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                        • Author by mary59 (June 03, 2010 11:42 am ET)
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                          Why don't you address his challenge and prove that you aren't just blowing smoke?
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                          • Author by mescal (June 04, 2010 1:12 am ET)
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                            He can't, mary.

                            He's just demonstrated that he has no real answers.

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                • Author by coldteablues19577325 (June 02, 2010 4:27 pm ET)
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                  "What was BO's reason for bringing his daughter into the situation?"

                  Errrrmmmmmmmm, do you have any children? Any nieces/nephews? Grandchildren? Kids/teens at your church, school, or friends' kids that you occasionally might brag about? Share information ... good news ... bad news ... about with others? It's called being social.

                  Ahhhhhhhhhh, I see, but our president sharing anecdotes, now THAT'S different. Maybe I should say my president since it's so embarrassingly obvious that you dislike him so very much. Personally, I liked the picture in my mind of Malia sharing a bit of personal time with her dad ... reminded me of doing the same with my dad when I was a kid. Sometimes that early morning time was then only time I'd see him. Nice to that he still takes the time to connect with her IMHO.
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                  • Author by doughpro1604643 (June 02, 2010 4:42 pm ET)
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                    What you are saying is that you actually believe that she said that? I don't believe she did. I believe he fabricated the story.
                    There is a time and place to "socialize" and to share "anecdotes" regarding family, and when discussing a disaster this extreme is not the time. It looked to me like he was trying to take the heat off the fact that he had no control over the situation.
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                    • Author by raddave43 (June 02, 2010 4:48 pm ET)
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                      Well you have no proof if she said it or not.
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                    • Author by coldteablues19577325 (June 03, 2010 6:36 pm ET)
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                      "What you are saying is that you actually believe that she said that?" --doughpro

                      That is correct. I do believe that she could have very easily asked him that question. But's it's simply MHO.
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                    • Author by coldteablues19577325 (June 03, 2010 6:40 pm ET)
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                      "There is a time and place to "socialize" and to share "anecdotes" regarding family, and when discussing a disaster this extreme is not the time." --doughpro

                      And why not? Because YOU say so? BTW, you really didn't answer my question now did you? Did you never, when growing up, ask either of your parents what is, as I see it, a pretty serious question. I suppose you think either she's not old enough or smart enough to understand/think that her dad could possibly figure out a way to 'plug the hole.'
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                • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (June 02, 2010 4:33 pm ET)
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                  What was BO's reason for bringing his daughter into the situation? Why even bother to set her up in that manner? Why even share what her thoughts were?

                  So even though millions of Americans were asking the EXACT same question, "did you plug the hole", President Obama should not mention that his daughter asked that question?

                  The ONLY reason the is ANY discussion of President Obama's daughter is you folks on the right use ANY excuse to express your hatered of President Obama.

                  And since the children aren't off limits, who's next Mrs. Obama's mother or maybe it'll be Bo the dog.
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                  • Author by doughpro1604643 (June 02, 2010 4:49 pm ET)
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                    So even though millions of Americans were asking the EXACT same question, "did you plug the hole", President Obama should not mention that his daughter asked that question?


                    I wasn't asking that question, and nobody I know was asking that question. I was not aware that it was BO's responsibility to "plug the hole". I thought it was BP's job to plug the hole, since they had the technology. I expected BO to ask how this could have happened, to give Jindal full rein with his ideas on how to clean up the mess, and not ignore the situation and go golfing.
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                    • Author by mary59 (June 02, 2010 5:28 pm ET)
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                      Doughboy, did you plug the hole yet? Good luck.
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                    • Author by raddave43 (June 02, 2010 5:44 pm ET)
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                      Well since the leak isn't in La, but is in territorial waters, it isn't the Governor of that States place to suggest or to come up with solutions to the problem. The President hasn't ignored the situation either.
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                    • Author by raddave43 (June 02, 2010 5:44 pm ET)
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                      Well since the leak isn't in La, but is in territorial waters, it isn't the Governor of that States place to suggest or to come up with solutions to the problem. The President hasn't ignored the situation either.
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        • Author by roundhouse (June 02, 2010 1:26 pm ET)
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          What else do you need? That falsehood was the lynchpin for initiating the deficit ballooning, empire building debacle that was the Iraq invasion.
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          • Author by doughpro1604643 (June 02, 2010 2:10 pm ET)
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            Obama's deficit in his first year is more than a total of 8 years of Bush.
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            • Author by raddave43 (June 02, 2010 2:18 pm ET)
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              No, that is false.
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              • Author by doughpro1604643 (June 02, 2010 2:27 pm ET)
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                No, it's true.
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                • Author by mary59 (June 02, 2010 2:36 pm ET)
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                  [http://www.oliverwillis.com/img/ZZ31702ECE.jpg]
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                • Author by raddave43 (June 02, 2010 2:39 pm ET)
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                  No, its false. The projected deficit for this year (the first one for the Obama administration) is $1.3 Trillion. Last year it was $1.4 Trillion (The last year under the Bush Administration.)
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                • Author by roundhouse (June 02, 2010 2:45 pm ET)
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                  Bush left us with a 1.4 trillion dollar deficit. But I don't blame you for not knowing this. I blame the Democrats for not dispelling the lie.
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