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Glenn Beck doesn't "know why we're not having real conversations"

June 02, 2010 6:41 pm ET — 39 Comments

On his Fox News show, Glenn Beck proclaimed that he doesn't "know why we're not having real conversations" in America. During the same show, Beck compared the current state of our country to the biblical story of Moses and the films Star Wars and Robin Hood and cited a national division between supporters of Woodstock and the Apollo Project.

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Beck asserts we're not having "real conversations"

Beck: "I don't know why we're not having real conversations." On his June 1 show, Beck lamented that the country is in a crisis but that Americans nonetheless are not "having real conversations" about the state of the nation.

From the June 1 edition of Fox News' Glenn Beck:

I got to tell you something -- I raised my hand halfway through and I said, can we use real-life application here? Where are we in this cycle? And is there anybody that has thought: Has it ever happened that you can go from freedom to this stage? Because I think we're in between these two stages -- that have gone from this stage to this stage. Is there a way to short-circuit the system?

I was upset because I care. And I don't know why we're not having real conversations. The ship's taking on water, man. Do you see the headlines?

This is the story of America. These are all -- have you watched, have you, like, clicked on the Drudge Report? Like every weekend I'll click on the Drudge Report and I'll be looking at it and I'm like -- this is like, if I would have told you that all of these stories would be happening at once in the last three weeks, you would have said I was insane.

It's like a -- it's like the Book of Revelation, quietly honestly. I saw the sinkhole and I thought that can't be real. That's got to be a Halliburton thing or something. What is that?

Beck compared the state of the nation to the biblical Moses story, cited Star Wars and Robin Hood, and created Apollo/Woodstock split

Beck: "It always is the same cycle," and "then there's the Moses moment." Beck recounted a conversation he had in church, discussing the cycles of civilization and how after people are "led into bondage, to where they humble themselves, then there's the Moses moment." Beck questioned, "Where are we in this cycle?"

From the June 1 edition of Glenn Beck (from the Nexis database):

I was in church yesterday. I was upset in church. We were talking in the second hour -- I go three hours on Sunday. Good God, Almighty.

So, I go to church. And in the second hour, we were talking about the circle; it's a cycle that happens every time. It happened with the Roman Empire, the Ottoman Empire, the British; I guess the Soviet doesn't really fit. And it will happen to us.

We were just talking about Moses and the Jews and how they got out to freedom. And it always is the same cycle. There's freedom, then there's an apostasy, an un-pegging from the truth, and it's usually coupled with apathy. Nobody really cares. They're happy. They're free. You know, everything is great.

That leads them into bondage, to where they humble themselves, then there's the Moses moment. And then there's a restoration of the truth and they become free again.

I got to tell you something -- I raised my hand halfway through and I said, can we use real-life application here? Where are we in this cycle? And is there anybody that has thought: Has it ever happened that you can go from freedom to this stage? Because I think we're in between these two stages -- that have gone from this stage to this stage. Is there a way to short-circuit the system?

Beck suggests there are "parallels" between plot of Robin Hood movie, current events. Beck stated that the movie Robin Hood chronicles when "Richard the Lionheart died after bankrupting his country" and the "new king comes along" who "doesn't care" and has fallen into an alliance with enemies of his own country. He concludes: "I thought -- whoa, there is no parallels here, huh?"

From the June 1 Glenn Beck (via Nexis):

I've never seen a good "Robin Hood" movie and I heard, if he thinks about this, I liked this movie. This is pre-Robin Hood storyIt's time when Richard the Lionheart died after bankrupting his country.

Then his brother, the new king comes along. He doesn't care. He's fallen into an alliance with enemies of his own country. And that alliance is turning everybody in England against each other. OK?

I thought -- whoa, there is no parallels here, huh? It's a best version of the story I've seen. Long story short, towards the end -- I'm not going to wreck anything -- he turns into Robin Hood. OK, I wrecked it.

At one point, the King of France who was, you know, working on dividing the whole country, he's sailing over and landing his soldiers on the beaches of Great Britain. In the time that he launched the ship, and arrived over to Great Britain, Robin Hood had brought his people of England together as one. And the king of France is on the ship and he releases all the soldiers and everybody else, and they're all just slaughtered on the beach.

And the king feels he's been misled and he knows he's going to lose. So, at this point, he says, send the signal. Turn the ships around. Because he knows soldiers can't win against the united England. He then says this: This doesn't look like a country that is fighting against itself. We'll have to return another day.

Beck compared the story of Luke Skywalker from Star Wars to what "I think a lot of people in America are going through." Beck compared Luke Skywalker's fictional fight against the Dark Side in theStar Wars films to what he "think[s] a lot of people in America are going through."

From the June 1 Glenn Beck (via Nexis):

But last week, I noticed that I was using foul language. People would come up to me in the street and I'd actually say something back to them. And I was shocked at the time the words were coming out. And I was like, wow, that's not you -- but, wow, that felt good.

I felt justified. I felt they deserved it. And so, I did it.

I should have known, because I've seen "Star Wars" enough. Do you remember -- do you remember that scene where the emperor is sitting in the big spooky chair and Luke is, you know, he's fighting his father? And the emperor just goes, "Yes, give in to your dark side. Release your anger and the transformation to the dark side will be complete. Good. Good." Do you remember that?

That is the scene that I think a lot of people in America are going through. I thought it was really -- I went back and I watched it and I thought it was really interesting that he said, transformation, not restoration -- transformation. "Your transformation will be complete."

Beck claims "there were two major camps in America": "those whose imaginations were captured by ... the Apollo Project" and the "mud people of Woodstock." Without citing any evidence, Beck claimed there were two distinct groups in America in 1969, those whose "imaginations were captured" by the Apollo mission to the moon, and the "anti-establishment mud people" who went to Woodstock later that summer.

From the June 1 Glenn Beck (via Nexis):

I mean, anybody who is old enough to remember this knew that it was nine years before that we didn't even think it was possible for a man to go to the moon. And just a couple of years removed from sending monkeys in space. And at the time of JFK's moon project announcement, we could barely get a man into orbit.

And suddenly, now, less than a decade men -- Americans -- were walking on the surface of the moon. And NASA was sending us pictures of it into our living rooms. Television was new. We saw their footprints on the moon. It was unthinkable.

Forty years later, if we decided to do this again, do you think we could get the done in nine years? That's half the country that watch and said, my gosh, look what man in America with freedom can accomplish.

But three weeks later, this was happening at a place in Upstate New York, Woodstock. It was sex in the mud, drugs, rock 'n' roll, no values, no morals, no rules. For three days, 500,000 people hedonistically celebrated everything that the people who are watching the moon landing thought was bad in life. And they did all under the banner of love. "Whoa, man, you're harsh my mellow with the love thing." Yes, it was groovy at Woodstock.

Maybe it's just me, but I don't know, I don't think the orgies in the mud with people you met 15 minutes ago, you know, as the country, you know, Joe is screaming the "F" word on stage is the basis for anything that's lasting in the happiness department.

But this was the summer that led us here. There were two major camps in America: those whose imaginations were captured by the spirit of adventure, innovation, ingenuity, the Apollo Project; and those who were the sex, drugs and anti-establishment mud people of Woodstock.

Which person are you? Which of the two events was the most important to you? Which one was the most important to America?

Beck's un-"real" history: Grand conspiracy theories

Beck's radio and Fox News shows often feature intricate conspiracy theories. For example, in May 2010, Beck detailed a web of conspiracies involving the SEIU, AFL-CIO, Van Jones, Jim Wallis, the White House, Rep. Anthony Weiner, and Media Matters seeking to "destroy" him, his family, Fox News, Christianity and the Founding Fathers. In April and May, Beck described a vast conspiracy linking together President Obama, Al Gore, Goldman Sachs, Van Jones, various unions, the Joyce Foundation, Franklin Raines, Fannie Mae, and various other progressive individuals and organizations in a plot to pass cap-and-trade legislation in order to generate profits and redistribute wealth.

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    • Author by nerzog (June 02, 2010 6:44 pm ET)
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      Do you really need to ask?

      [http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2010/02/24/alg_hannity_beck_limbaugh.jpg]
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      • Author by SLRTX (June 03, 2010 1:13 am ET)
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        Ah, I get it. The experts in adult, intelligent conversation.
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    • Author by worrierking (June 02, 2010 6:55 pm ET)
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      Anti-establishment mud people?

      Are they related to the mole people.

      Mary, help me out here.
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      • Author by mary59 (June 02, 2010 7:42 pm ET)
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        Beck is offending the dignity of the mole people with his very lame comments. He seems to be confusing people enjoying the rain with his own distaste for the natural world.

        He says "Whoa, man, you're harsh my mellow with the love thing." That's conclusive proof that he is indeed not altered and flunked Woodstock.
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        • Author by mary59 (June 02, 2010 7:47 pm ET)
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          Someone said this serial featured both mole men and mud people. Zowie! Years before Woodstock, too.
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          • Author by eweston8542983 (June 02, 2010 11:34 pm ET)
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            Mad did a wonderful lampoon of it. Featuring...Men Men.

            Their champion defeated through the use of this clever gambit,"Hey kid, your shoelace is untied."
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      • Author by Eric_Arthur_Blair (June 03, 2010 12:20 am ET)
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        Isn't "mud people" an epithet Neonazis use to describe non-whites?
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        • Author by Andy Kreiss (June 03, 2010 1:28 am ET)
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          That's what I was going to say, I'd heard that years ago by some Neo-Nazis describing non-whites. I guess it's another term that's just obscure enough that it clicks with the beck audience, but there's some plausible deniability.
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          • Author by worrierking (June 03, 2010 8:30 am ET)
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            I've heard the phrase from the same kind of idiots. That's what first came to mind when I read Beck's description of the people at Woodstock.
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            • Author by Andy Kreiss (June 03, 2010 10:17 am ET)
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              And you know what Glenda's response will be if called on it.

              " What ? I've never heard that. I guess I just don't hang around with racists enough to be familiar with those sort of terms. The real racists are the ones who were able to decode this dog whistle!"

              Shades of "NOTUS".
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        • Author by mescal (June 03, 2010 2:21 am ET)
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          Indeed it is.
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      • Author by KLM (June 03, 2010 4:14 pm ET)
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        Omg, we should all thank Glenn for letting us know the mole people are coming for us. I know he didn't say it directly but they would have taken him out if he did. Good show Beck good show. *Puts on tin-foil hat*
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    • Author by IRONY 101 (June 02, 2010 7:01 pm ET)
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      One possible explanation is that Glenn Beck is psychotic.
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      • Author by MidnightWriter (June 02, 2010 7:36 pm ET)
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        I have many times, without snark, asked if Beck possibly suffers from paranoid personality disorder.

        Once again, the list of what characterizes this.

        1. Excessive sensitivity to setbacks and rebuffs.

        2. Tendency to bear grudges persistently, i.e. refusal to forgive insults and injuries or slights.

        3. Suspiciousness and a pervasive tendency to distort experience by misconstruing the neutral or friendly actions of others as hostile or contemptuous.

        4. A combative and tenacious sense of personal rights out of keeping with the actual situation.

        5. Recurrent suspicions, without justification, regarding sexual fidelity of spouse or sexual partner.

        6. Tendency to experience excessive self-importance, manifest in a persistent self-referential attitude.

        7. Preoccupation with unsubstantiated "conspiratorial" explanations of events both immediate to the patient and in the world at large.

        Scoring on three of those seven is considered enough to raise suspicions. By my count Beck is a clear six. And given the way he described his hostile response to his wife when she told him she believed he had acted inappropriately with his mocking of Obama's daughter, I think we can slap a big old asterisk on that item.
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        • Author by steeve (June 02, 2010 8:09 pm ET)
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          How many did Beck score on during his CNN days? Less, because his orders were different there.
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    • Author by Dradeeus (June 02, 2010 8:29 pm ET)
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      You know. A basic debate with a right wing host! A conversation!

      You: (Brings up facts.)
      Him: (Calls you a Nazi.)
      You: (Brings up statistics.)
      Him: (Smears you.)
      You: (Brings up legitimate liberal position.)
      Him: (Asks how long you've hated America.)
      You: (Brings up past hypocrisy quip from same host.)
      Him: (Cuts your mic, calls you pinhead, edits out point.)
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    • Author by worrierking (June 02, 2010 9:21 pm ET)
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      Luke Skywalker was a terrorist who made a deal with a mercenary and his furry friend to attack the Empire's legitimate government.

      This is another case of Beck twisting our fictional history and replacing it with his own fantasy.
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      • Author by DAWUSS (June 02, 2010 11:16 pm ET)
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        Think of all the children that died on the Death Star!
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        • Author by worrierking (June 03, 2010 7:13 am ET)
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          I just watched "Clerks" again a few weeks ago and agreed with Randall's view about how projects as big as The Death Star had to include many independent contractors. Guys just trying to earn a few bucks to feed his kids. Skywalker and his kind may have considered them collateral damage but I tend to have sympathy for guys who work for a living.
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    • Author by DellDolly (June 02, 2010 9:48 pm ET)
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      I know why we aren't having real conversations here in America, Glenn.

      It's because rightwingers like you push dishonesty over truthfulness and deception over respectful disagreement and you omit relevant info by cropping comments or leaving important things out, and THAT'S the nonsense that destroys the national discourse.
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      • Author by boulderhippy (June 02, 2010 11:41 pm ET)
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        Maybe it could be that the Dems get power and feel that they know what is best for everyone and won't include any dissenting opinions in any debate.

        Maybe it is because when you have an opinion that isn't in agreement with the liberal collective, they shout you down and call you vile names because they cannot debate intellectually.

        Maybe it is because the liberals are so vested into their politics it is almost a religion and there is no reasoning with such true believers.
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        • Author by Salamandastron (June 03, 2010 12:18 am ET)
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          Can you explain that?

          Sounds to me like you're talking about the right-wing radicals who style themselves "conservative" -- with nothing conservative about them -- who have their purity tests and such. Where are these people you think you're talking about?

          Yes there are some here who will try to shout you down if you don't toe their line (sounds almost Republican, doesn't it?), but most of them will be decent if you try being rational.
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          • Author by Andy Kreiss (June 03, 2010 1:38 am ET)
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            In defense of boulderhippy, he did preface all of his wild projections with "maybe". Sure, he described liberals as right wingers almost precisely, but they all had that hypothetical "maybe".

            " Maybe" we can't have a real conversation because liberals listen to Rush Limbaugh and believe the president is a socialist Muslim from Kenya, and think "Drill, Baby' Drill" is an intelligent energy policy.

            "Maybe" we can't have a real conversation because liberals think people making 1000x the average Americans income don't hire employees because their taxes are too high, or because liberals think Al Gore said he invented the internet, or because liberals think that it's important whether people wear a flag lapel pin or not, or if they call every Muslim an Islamofascist.

            Jeebus, right wing nuts live in a Bizarro fantasy world.
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            • Author by Salamandastron (June 03, 2010 8:33 am ET)
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              Thank you, I take your point.
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            • Author by mary59 (June 03, 2010 11:38 am ET)
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              boulderhippy just doesn't have the staying power of doughboy or floyd. He/she does display all the traits of the anti-hippy, kind of like Glen Beck.
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        • Author by DellDolly (June 03, 2010 12:37 am ET)
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          Thanks for providing ALL the evidence to back up what you said - oops, you didn't provide a SINGLE example to back yourself up! And that's because there ARE virtually no examples of Dems doing what you accused them of, and there are LOTS of examples of those on the right behaving exactly the way you describe!

          Nope, it's not ANY of those things that YOU suggested.

          It was the Republicans when THEY were in the majority that wanted to stifle the minority's voice - NOT the Democrats!

          It is the Republicans who are guilty of shouting nasty things at Democrats - Rep Joe Wilson, for example, or the Tea Partiers who shouted the "N" word at black Congressmen! And they did it because they have a different opinion, NOT because the Democrats are trying to do anything extreme or outrageous.

          There's no reasoning with the right! They're the ones who abuse the truth repeatedly, like lying about the price of HCR or denying that they pushed for drilling in the Gulf and claimed it was safe!
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        • Author by KLM (June 03, 2010 4:21 pm ET)
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          You're so misguided. Republicans in government are taking an all or nothing approach. They want their agenda when they don't have the majority. When they don't get exactly what they want they deny everything and then call names, like Marxist etc.. Republicans don't allow dissenting opinions which results in the party with majority making all the decisions since repubs don't want to come to compromise.

          What liberal collective? Liberals can hardly agree with themselves, there is no conspiracy to shut anyone out because there are varying levels of liberalism. Conservatives are so far right that if you don't align with the conservative collective you are a conservative only in name and a traitor, probably to be driven out of the party. If anyone on the right agrees with a lefty they get slandered immediately by conservative media and all that does is limit peoples minds to one set of views.

          You say liberal politics is almost like a religion. False, there is no set of rules and there is no requirement that all liberals agree with each other. The funny thing is conservatives actually use religion to try to justify some of their opinions even though it's misguided at times and the religion in question even contradicts what they try to make a point of.

          Please, make sense.
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    • Author by Disputed Zone (June 02, 2010 11:44 pm ET)
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      There are people with a vested interest in not having real conversations, including the ones who pay Beck's salary.
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    • Author by Eric_Arthur_Blair (June 03, 2010 12:31 am ET)
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      Well, he may actually have something with the Star Wars reference there. Lucas consciously used Joseph Campbell's The Hero With A Thousand Faces as a rough blueprint for the first set of films; the book describes the archetypal hero's journey which corresponds to stages of human growth both as an individual and as a part of society. I had a college mythology class which used that book and had a professor who used a lot of examples from Star Wars because it was familiar to all the students.

      On the other hand, Beck is just a pathetic sicko who probably wouldn't be able to identify Joseph Campbell if his life depended on it.
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      • Author by David2012 (June 03, 2010 6:06 am ET)
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        Glenn uses a lot of references to fiction as if it were reality. He seems to spend lots of time watching movies and television series, and to take guidance from them as though the characters in them are real and the events they depict actually happened, are happening, or will happen. The borderline between fiction and reality for him is hazy at best, which I guess isn't really surprising.
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        • Author by epkklk851 (June 03, 2010 9:25 am ET)
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          Agreed, and he doesn't have the best taste in movies or TV, either. Strong on action, light on drama and character.
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    • Author by Sks1 (June 03, 2010 1:15 am ET)
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      I honestly do not understand a word Beck is ever talking about, how can someone so dis-coherent in his speaking even be given a platform to spew this total chaotic ramblings on day after day? this is just unbelievable....
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      • Author by epkklk851 (June 03, 2010 9:29 am ET)
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        I stood in line to speak to a Congresswoman. The woman in front of me claimed to have been educated at Berekley, she was giving Glennie's Obama is a radical because he thought the Cloward and Piven strategy to his students, and she should know what she is talking about. She was dead serious. Me, I had very, very liberal teachers in high school, and I had took Marxist theory in college: I never heard of Cloward and Piven or Saul Alinsky until Faux Noise and the Foxbots started invoking them nearly two years ago.
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    • Author by Lute (June 03, 2010 8:58 am ET)
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      cycle as Becky uses it refers to the air time before the "crisis".

      In Becky's world, that would be something even more crude & stupid to say. I'd venture to say that a crisis would be something like when the British invaded a baby nation in 1812, or British Petroleum melts the Deep Horizon in the gulf.

      Not that I'm Picking on the British, one comparison flowed from one to another.
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    • Author by YouTubeJEFF9K (June 03, 2010 9:02 am ET)
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      Maybe because we don't speak MORON.
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    • Author by armendale (June 03, 2010 2:30 pm ET)
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      Anecdotally, I work for two Woodstock "mud people" who are now Billionaire (no exaggeration) entrepreneurs, and my best buddy who also attended Woodstock is a retired dentist.

      But, be it fact or fiction, Beck must believe and have his believers believe what they must believe in order to preserve their beliefs.
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    • Author by armendale (June 03, 2010 2:57 pm ET)
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      So now add "mud people" to the list of those others Glenn wants us to distrust.

      Along with anyone for Social Justice or who happens to be a Community Organizer.

      Why is Glenn anti-social, anti-justice, anti-community, against being organized and NOW anti-mud? What does he have against the planet earth and its inhabitants?
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