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Right-wing media invent Kagan quote to falsely claim she said "it's fine if the law bans books"

June 29, 2010 9:40 am ET — 21 Comments

Right-wing media are distorting comments Elena Kagan made during arguments before the Supreme Court to falsely claim she said "it's fine if the law bans books." In fact, in the video the right is citing, Kagan never said "it's fine if the law bans books"; she specifically argued that federal law had never banned books and likely could not do so.

Right-wing media promote video of Kagan argument before the Supreme Court to falsely claim she said "it's fine if the law bans books"

Breitbart TV: "Kagan's own words: It's fine if the law bans books because government won't really enforce it." On June 28, Andrew Breitbart's website Breitbart.tv promoted an edited video -- produced by Naked Emperor News - with audio of Kagan's oral arguments before the Supreme Court in the Citizens United v. FEC case. Breitbart.tv headlined the video, "Kagan's own words: It's fine if the law bans books because government won't really enforce it."

Drudge: "Kagan's Own Words: It's Fine If Law Bans Books Because Government Won't Really Enforce It." On June 28, the Drudge Report linked to the video on Breitbart.tv with the headline, "Kagan's Own Words: It's Fine If Law Bans Books Because Government Won't Really Enforce It." From the Drudge Report:

Gateway Pundit: "Elena Kagan: 'It's Fine If the Law Bans Books.' " In a June 28 Gateway Pundit post promoting the video, Jim Hoft wrote: "Elena Kagan: 'It's Fine If the Law Bans Books.'" He further stated: "Spoken like a true leftist radical... Elena Kagan in 2009: 'Its Fine if The Law Bans Books Because Government Won't Really Enforce It.' "

Fox Nation "Kagan: It's Fine If the Law Bans Books." On June 29, the Fox Nation posted the video under the headline, "Kagan: It's Fine If the Law Bans Books." From the Fox Nation:

In fact, in the video, Kagan actually argued that federal law had never banned books and likely could not do so

In the video, Kagan never said "it's fine if the law bans books"; she specifically argued that federal law had never banned books and likely could not do so. The video promoted by right-wing media is taken from audio of Kagan's September 2009 Supreme Court argument in the case Citizens United v. FEC, which is related to corporate funding in elections, in which Kagan argued on behalf of the federal government. At no point in the video or during her argument did Kagan state that "it's fine if the law bans books." In the video, she stated that if the government tried to ban books under campaign finance laws, "there would be quite good as-applied challenge" to the law, meaning that the corporation attempting to publish the book would have a good constitutional case that the book couldn't be banned. Kagan later added: "[W]hat we're saying is that there has never been an enforcement action for books. Nobody has ever suggested -- nobody in Congress, nobody in the administrative apparatus has ever suggested that books pose any kind of corruption problem, so I think that there would be a good as-applied challenge with respect to that."

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    • Author by phredicles (June 29, 2010 10:08 am ET)
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      Why are they quoting Sheryl Crow saying something blindingly obvious?
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    • Author by brady (June 29, 2010 10:11 am ET)
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      Me: I hate my wife having to get up at dawn to cook breakfast.

      Right wing media quoting me: I hate my wife.
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    • Author by ScienceBuff (June 29, 2010 10:19 am ET)
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      Oh, come on, who's going to believe that Breitbart would ever have anything to do with dishonestly edited videos?
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    • Author by NiceguyEddie (June 29, 2010 10:34 am ET)
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      If anyone's going to ban books, it would be the Conservatives.

      Christains vs. Harry Potter?

      I rest my case.

      It's the same with music, movies, Television... Liberals may complain about "too much violence" but who's trying to control the MESSAGE, and protect vague concepts like "DECENCY" (which just means anti-sex, anti-gay, anti-abortion, anti-contraception, anti-anythingshortoftotalEvangelicalChristiansuperiorioty)...?

      Yeah, THAT WOULD BE THE CONSERVATIVES.

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      The day censorship starts being a bigger problem on the LEFT, I'll start voting Republican again.
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      • Author by princeofwheels (June 29, 2010 10:49 am ET)
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        And those music videos should have a warning saying that Listening to this will cause you to become a serial killer.

        Still waiting for the day when a Dem stands up, looks the Repubs in the eye and says "STFU, you idiots"
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        • Author by NiceguyEddie (June 29, 2010 10:57 am ET)
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          Agreed.

          #1 Problem with American Politics?

          THE REPUBLICANS HAVE NO BRAINS.

          #2 Problem with American Politics?

          THE DEMOCRATS HAVE NO BALLS.

          Or to put it another way...

          The Democrats do a lousy job implimenting good ideas, while the Republicans a great job implimenting lousy ones.

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          IMHO
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          • Author by EZ4you2say (June 29, 2010 1:06 pm ET)
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            I never knew Tipper Gore was a conservative. Gee, you learn plenty of things on MM.
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            • Author by dogbreath (June 29, 2010 1:42 pm ET)
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              As I recall, Gore did not ban anything. She worked to put those advisory stickers on music and video games. She really wasn't my cup of tea, but as a parent now I like to know if my kids are listening or watching that may not be appropriate.
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              • Author by NiceguyEddie (June 29, 2010 2:34 pm ET)
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                I hear you, Dog, but I just can't bring myself to feel that same level of concern.

                Getting a bit OT, at this point, but here's my POV...

                My parents certainly felt that Ozzy Osbourne was inappropriate back in the 80's. But I not only bought the albums ANYWAY [my money, so "f---'em" was pretty much my attitude... What teenager ISN'T that way? LOL] but I was in a band that PLAYED THOSE SAME SONGS! In public and everything! So them expressing their disapproval of my musical tastes fell on ears deafened by the PLAYING of that very same music!

                And while there's certainly no shoratge of potentially offensive stuff out there these days, the stupidest part of it all back then was that in his first four studio album's, for the entire decadeof the 1980's, the "Prince of Darkness" didn't not have a SINGLE SONG about the Devil. NOT. ONE. And none of the groups that did were popular wnough to be worth bothering with, so they went after Ozzy who hadn't sung anything remotley "satanic" since the early 1970's - about ten years ealier at that point.

                And meanwhile Cyndi Lauper has a top-20 (#3) single about Masturbation, and no one even noticed!

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                And I still say Prince's "Darling Nicki" is twice as bad as ANYTHING kids are listening to today! LOL
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                • Author by DellDolly (June 29, 2010 3:45 pm ET)
                     
                  I think her song (among others, including Prince's "Darling Nikki") LED to the advisory labels.
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                  • Author by NiceguyEddie (June 29, 2010 4:15 pm ET)
                       
                    Darling Nicki, yes, I think you're right. I'm just saying - it's over 25 years old, and STILL worse than anything people are complaining about now. (Still a good song though. GREAT album. Never saw the movie.)

                    But as I remember it, the bulk of the focus seemed to be mostly on acid rock and heavy metal groups: Ozzie Osbounre, Ronnie James Dio, Alice Cooper, Black Sabbath... that crowd. (Many of which never DID end up getting labelled in the end. LOL)

                    I could be wrong about "She Bop" but as I remember it (and admittedly it was a really long time ago) I didn't think ANYONE figured out what that all about until YEARS later, long after it was off the charts.

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                    IMHO
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            • Author by NiceguyEddie (June 29, 2010 1:50 pm ET)
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              At the time, she was arguing an inherently conservtaive position: Censoring music, becasue the lyrics offended her sense of decency, which stems for her religion.

              What's more the Parents Music Resource Center was co-founded (with Tipper Gore) by Susan Baker, wife of Treasury Secretary James Baker (a Republican) as well as Pam Howar, wife of Washington realtor Raymond Howar and Sally Nevius, wife of Washington City Council Chairman John Nevius (appointed to Coucil by LBJ, but promoted to Concil President by Nixon.)

              It wasn't JUST Tipper. And her being a liberal wouldn't make the POSITION a liberal one. The right can only divorce themselves from this kind of insanity once they kick the funny-menatalists to the curb and rediscover their true, Libertarian roots.

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              IMHO
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              • Author by RiffRabbit (June 29, 2010 5:08 pm ET)
                   
                I once read a book that called people like Ms. Gore "Lieberals", after Joe Lieberman. They are Democrats who moderate their liberal views based on their views about what is good for children. Lieberals are apparently common on the East Coast, and my dad seems to fit the description.
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        • Author by dogbreath (June 29, 2010 1:47 pm ET)
             
          I would love that. I would do it in a heartbeat.
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    • Author by usp (June 29, 2010 11:43 am ET)
         
      tea party wacks? not so good at reading. celebrations all around.
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    • Author by nerzog (June 29, 2010 1:03 pm ET)
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      This is the beauty of the Republican model of Propaganda. As putrid as it is, I must admire the genius of the system they've put into place.

      They have so conditioned their audience to doubt the "Mainstream Media" that these lies can never be disproved in their eyes.

      As a result, FOX and Hate Radio can just make up sh*t with the assurance that it will be swallowed whole by the Republican base.
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      • Author by dogbreath (June 29, 2010 1:43 pm ET)
           
        Absolutely, but frighteningly correct.
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      • Author by Conchobhar (June 29, 2010 2:20 pm ET)
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        Hey, when the lie you'rer telling is what your audience wants to believe, you're 90% there.
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    • Author by Tunasafeart (June 29, 2010 2:01 pm ET)
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      Chopping up quotes has never been so easy.

      "Hello...Smithers...you're...quite...good...at...turning...me...on."
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    • Author by dogbreath (June 29, 2010 2:16 pm ET)
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      Breitbart would sell his grandmother if it meant he would get any attention.
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    • Author by Turk72 (June 29, 2010 2:57 pm ET)
         
      The problem with this is that "I think that there would be a good as-applied challenge with respect to that" is impossible for a stupid right winger to understand. It sounds like she's saying it is good to ban books and that is what the Right wing noise machine is hoping for. This won't be the first time they take lawer speak and use it against her you just wait. It's a shame that uneducated people are so easily lead.
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