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The right-wing race-baiting revue: Schlessinger's rant is just the latest act

August 13, 2010 8:39 pm ET — 62 Comments

Dr. Laura Schlessinger's racially charged rant, in which she "articulated the 'n' word all the way out -- more than one time," is only the latest in a year of public displays of racially loaded rhetoric by right-wing media figures.

Dr. Laura's N-word rant rounds out a year of racially charged right-wing rhetoric

Schlessinger "articulated the 'n' word all the way out." On the August 10 edition of her radio show, Schlessinger repeatedly -- in her own words -- "articulated the 'n' word all the way out -- more than one time." Among other things, Schlessinger also told an African-American caller that she had a "chip on [her] shoulder." The full transcript of her remarks can be found here:

Beck suggested Obama doesn't believe all men are created equal. On his August 3 Fox News show, after claiming that President Obama "knows" that Arizona police "will act stupidly" and "be racist," Glenn Beck asked, "Does he believe that all men are created equal, endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights?"

Levin accused Obama administration, Sen. Menendez of "race-baiting." On the July 28 edition of his radio show, Mark Levin said, "Then there's Senator Bob Menendez, Democrat of New Jersey, a race-baiter. That's right, I said it. Write it down, and you'll hear it. I think these people who pander to specific ethnic groups are race-baiters. This administration is race-baiting":

Beck: "[R]acist" is "too small of a word" to describe "those in power." On July 26, Beck said that "I have learned a lot. We don't need to call people names. We don't have to. Their words are evidence enough. They cannot make the argument in the open. They know no man of any color would choose to be enslaved, so they have to lie, they have to cheat. I don't think that those in power and those who seek even more power are racists, as I have come to understand that 'racist' is too small of a word. I believe these people will enslave any man -- it doesn't matter what color they are":

Limbaugh called Obama "the most-racial president" During the July 22 edition of his radio show, Rush Limbaugh said, "So, we're supposed to have a post-racial president. Instead, Barack Obama is the most-racial president.":

Limbaugh accused Eric Holder, DOJ of racism. During the July 21 edition of his radio show, Limbaugh discussed the "amazing story of Shirley Sherrod," asking, "If we're going to fire Shirley Sherrod on the basis of racism, then why the hell does Eric Holder still have a job?" Limbaugh later falsely claimed that Holder "has ignored the voting and civil rights of white people in Philadelphia, all because the perpetrators of the voter intimidation, the New Black Panther Party, were black":

Monica Crowley: Sherrod may be among the "racists" in the Obama administration. Discussing Andrew Breitbart's truncated video of Sherrod on The O'Reilly Factor, Fox News contributor Monica Crowley suggested that Sherrod may be among the "radicals, racists, socialists" in the Obama administration:

Limbaugh said the "NAACP is as racist an organization as there has been and is in this country." On July 20, after calling the edited video promoted by Breitbart "great work," Limbaugh said the "NAACP is as racist an organization as there has been and is in this country":

Breitbart: Sherrod tapes show racism. On Hannity, Breitbart responded to criticism of his advancement of the deceptively edited Sherrod video by saying that the full video shows racism "far worse than anything that has ever been alleged against the tea party":

During initial response to bogus Sherrod story, Gingrich said Sherrod was "viciously racist." On Fox News Sunday, host Chris Wallace played video of Fox News contributor Newt Gingrich on Hannity saying, "I often disagree with this administration, but firing her after that kind of viciously racist attitude, was exactly the right thing to do":

Doocy: Sherrod's comments were "Exhibit A" of "what racism looks like." Fox & Friends co-host Steve Doocy said that Sherrod made "a speech to the NAACP that sure sounded racist." Later, after guest host Alisyn Camerota asserted that Sherrod's remarks are "outrageous, and perhaps everybody needs a refresher course on what racism looks like," Doocy responded that Sherrod's comments were "Exhibit A":

Gingrich: Holder "should certainly resign over the racism inherent in the Black Panther case." On the July 19 edition of Fox News' Hannity, Gingrich said that Holder "should certainly resign over the racism inherent in the Black Panther case":

Ingraham: Obama "channeled his best Jeremiah Wright accent" in NAACP speech. Talking about a speech Obama gave to the NAACP, O'Reilly Factor guest host Laura Ingraham said: "Last night, President Obama spoke to the NAACP and channeled his best Jeremiah Wright accent." After airing a clip of Obama's remarks, Ingraham added: "Now, why does the first African-American president feel the need to affect an accent that he clearly does not possess? Or is that the way people speak in Honolulu? It's a cheap attempt to pander to an audience that already supports him":

Savage: "[W]e wind up with Barack Obama as president because of white guilt." On the July 8 edition of his Talk Radio Network show, after quoting Booker T. Washington, Michael Savage said that "we wind up with Barack Obama as president because of white guilt":

Breitbart, Asman agreed Obama is "defending racism" in New Black Panthers case, which is "virtually the same" as being racist. On the July 6 edition of Fox Business Network's America's Nightly Scoreboard, Breitbart agreed with host David Asman, who stated that while it "may or may not be true" that Obama is a racist, "in letting the Black Panthers off," Obama "is defending racists," which is "virtually the same, in my mind, as to whether you're a racist or not":

Quinn: Members of the civil rights community are "race-baiting poverty pimps." During the July 6 broadcast of Clear Channel's The War Room with Quinn & Rose, Jim Quinn said he calls the "so-called civil rights community" "the race-baiting poverty pimps":

Limbaugh "speculate[d]" that Michelle Obama didn't attend Sen. Byrd's funeral because of her "authentic slave blood." On his July 2 show, while discussing Sen. Robert Byrd's funeral, Limbaugh said that "as has been said by several black civil rights leaders, Obama does not have authentic slave blood. But Michelle does, and maybe that's why" she didn't attend the funeral:

Discussing New Black Panthers case, Severin says Obama is "demonstrably a racist." During the June 30 edition of his WTKK radio show, Jay Severin discussed the New Black Panthers and claimed that "as long as Barack Obama is president, there is a complete double standard, and a lot of it is based on race" and that "Barack Obama is a racist." Severin added, "Barack Obama is -- the president of the United States is demonstrably a racist":

Beck distorted Obama's comments to accuse him of "racism." On the June 14 editions of his radio and television shows, Beck misrepresented comments Obama made during a 1995 interview to claim Obama did not want to meet with BP CEO Tony Hayward because he is a "white CEO" and that those comments were "code language" that "sounds like racism," "stereotyping," and "profiling":

Stossel said "private businesses ought to get to discriminate" and "it should be their right to be racist." On Fox News' America Live, Fox Business Network host John Stossel stated that "it's time now to repeal" the public accommodations sections of the Civil Rights Act. Stossel went on to say that "private businesses ought to get to discriminate" and that "it should be their right to be racist," adding that he personally would not go into a business that discriminated:

Carlson claimed Obama used "racial anxiety for political gain." On Special Report, Fox News contributor Tucker Carlson criticized Obama's midterm election message, in which Obama told supporters that it "will be up to each of you to make sure that the young people, African-Americans, Latinos, and women who powered our victory in 2008 stand together once again." After host Bret Baier played a clip of the video, Carlson said: "So, how's this different substantially from Nixon's Southern Strategy? What he's doing is, saying, 'You have reason to fear on racial grounds; therefore, vote for me.' I think he is using racial anxiety for political gain":

Limbaugh called Obama administration a "racist" "regime" During the April 26 edition of his radio show, Limbaugh discussed Arizona's controversial immigration law and claimed that "not everybody thinks that civil rights are the end-all and be-all of every single issue." Limbaugh then cited the video in which Obama discussed voter turnout, including among minorities and women, and said, "This is the regime at its racist best":

Savage said he's "sick of speaking about" Obama "in hushed tones" because "he's of mixed race." On March 22, Savage said, "I am so sick and tired of talking about [Obama] in hushed tones, like because he's of mixed-race, you can't say anything against him. I am sick of it":

Limbaugh: "For the first time in his life, Paterson is gonna be a massa." During a discussion with a caller on March 9 about African-American New York Gov. David Paterson possibly appointing a replacement for former Rep. Eric Massa, Limbaugh said, "So, for the first time in his life, Paterson's gonna be a massa. Interesting, interesting":

Limbaugh called civil rights leaders Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson "race hustlers." During the October 15, 2009, edition of his show, Limbaugh noted the fact that NFL Players Association director DeMaurice Smith had sent a letter to NFL commissioner Roger Goodell objecting to Limbaugh's bid to become a partial owner of the St. Louis Rams. Limbaugh then said, "And then, of course, the two race hustlers, the Reverend Jackson and the Reverend Sharpton, got involved":

Beck called Obama a "racist" with a "deep-seated hatred for white people." During his appearance on the July 28, 2009, edition of Fox News' Fox & Friends discussing Obama's response to the arrest of Harvard professor Henry Louis Gates, Beck asserted that Obama has "a deep-seated hatred for white people or the white culture." After being reminded that Obama has numerous white staffers, Beck contradicted himself, stating, "I'm not saying that he doesn't like white people. I'm saying he has a problem," before going on to state, "this guy is, I believe, a racist":

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    • Author by Bad News (August 13, 2010 8:57 pm ET)
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      If i could Pick up the World & i'ma Drop it right on Fox's F***ing Head.
      I Hate Fox News so much i'd want to Stomp on them even after they were Dead.
      My Rage is so Extreme i wake up Soked with Sweat like i had wet the Bed.
      I try to calm myself watching "Flintstones" but i find myself getting Mad at Fred.

      Speak truth to power.


      Mr. News
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      • Author by rkcomments (August 14, 2010 11:57 am ET)
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        Wonder how many years it will take for conservatives to reconcile to the fact that a black man is President of the United States. My feeling is....NEVER!
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        • Author by diamonds (August 15, 2010 12:13 am ET)
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          I don't know a single person who is upset that a "black man" is "President of the United States." The very fact that it even matters is unconscionable, the mere fact you think this suggests you need to take a hard look at your news and commentary sources. Wherever gave you the notion that conservatives are opposed to Obama because be is a "black man" is seriously mislead and that opinion is absolutely not representative.

          Do those people exist? Probably, sure. But absolutely do not let them speak for groups of individuals, for they cannot.
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          • Author by AC_Mem (August 15, 2010 8:14 am ET)
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            So, you are saying that this type of dialogue was going on before Obama became President and its just a coincidence that he is African American? Right....

            This kind of talk is coming primarily from the right. Take a good look and listen to each and every post of exact quotes and recordings above. This is the dialog that the conservative right is listening to and who have been putting race to the forefront since President Obama won the election.

            The left is not doing this at the level that the right is. You cannot make up or change the facts. If conservatives absolutely do not represent racial hatred toward our President, you might want to take a good look at who is representing you to the public.

            You said: The very fact that it even matters is unconscionable, the mere fact you think this suggests you need to take a hard look at your news and commentary sources.

            This comment is laughable. The "commentary sources" fill this whole page and they are all quotes, videos and recordings of conservatives.
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            • Author by CoolSlaw (August 15, 2010 4:39 pm ET)
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              diamonds has bought hook, line, and sinker the new media narrative that ONLY a direct admission of racism by that individual constitutes racism.

              By creating this new definition, attacks like the loony "birther" conspiracy, talk radio hosts claiming President Obama is looking to enact "reparations", and that he has a deep seeded hatred of white people and white culture do not count as racism when these are clearly racist attacks.

              That's why Rupert Murdoch and other billionaire elites with an extreme right wing ideology buy up and seek to control as much of the media narrative as they can. When the racists get to define what is racism, it becomes clear how people like diamonds can actually in august 2010 make the kind of post they made.
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              • Author by GreenLantern (August 15, 2010 7:51 pm ET)
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                CoolSlaw, thanks for saying this much better that I could ever articulate that. I keep looking for the clip I saw before the election where there was a man that was being interviewed said "I am not a racist, but I would never vote for a black man!" (That used to be the definition of racism, isn't it?) That is also Diamonds skewed logic it sounds like from his post. It terrifies me, as I grew up in the sixties and saw the direct result of major racism during that time. With an eye opening visit to a town called Belzoni Miss. in the 70's where racism was still the rule of the day. Our country really is going backwards, and not in a good way!
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    • Author by AB-001 (August 13, 2010 9:17 pm ET)
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      And don't forget, the first time Limbaugh brought up that "man child" stuff, he used the term "black man child." i.e. "boy"

      Limbaugh's Race Baiting 101
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    • Author by CoolSlaw (August 13, 2010 9:44 pm ET)
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      Well, the right wing media has been busy lately disseminating the talking points about the Obama administration is "the most racist" and that because of President Obama, the nation is more racially divided then ever.

      Ok conservatives, time to put up or shut up. This article here on MMFA lists several concrete examples of right wing divisiveness and race baiting. Bring out your examples of liberal media figures, or administration officials "race baiting" and "making this country more racially divided" through their policies or words.

      Let's see them, don't be shy. Roll them out, we'll wait.
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    • Author by IRONY 101 (August 13, 2010 11:26 pm ET)
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      Why haven't FOX News and FOX Nation even mentioned Laura Schlessinger's N-word tirade?
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      • Author by mescal (August 14, 2010 2:00 am ET)
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        Because if they can't defend the indefensible, then they're sure as sh!t going to do their best to jst ignore it.
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        • Author by worrierking (August 14, 2010 7:58 am ET)
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          Why don't they at least REPORT and let us DECIDE?

          Isn't that at the heart of "FAIR & BALANCED" reporting?
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          • Author by eb (August 14, 2010 9:06 am ET)
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            Its so insulting to their audience that they continue with the illusion of fair and balanced.

            A while back I heard a conservative on this board state that Fox is supposed to be the balance from the so called liberal media. So Fair and Balanced is your conservative choice where you will be safe from too much exposure to non-conservative views and ideas.

            What that really means is that Fox is too lazy and partisan to be professional and actually give the wide range of views and interpretations on a wide range of issues. They use the liberal media as a canard to justify their lack of integrity. I really doubt they are capable of identifying a liberal bias when daily they show that they can't identify or describe liberal ideas and policy.

            If their thing is that they are some kind of elixir to the rest of the media, then why isn't that their slogan and why don't they warn their audience of the many side effects of the treatment.

            Its so blatantly dishonest and it assumed that their viewers will buy just about any snake oil, as long as they dress it up. Lipstick on a pig indeed.

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            • Author by mary59 (August 14, 2010 10:16 am ET)
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              That's it. Anything in the minds of some ideologues that doesn't agree with their world view--like factual reporting--must be "liberal"
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          • Author by Andy Kreiss (August 14, 2010 12:32 pm ET)
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            There have only been a couple of wingnuts defending Dr Laura at MMFA ( Mostly while constantly reminding everybody that they're not defending her), and they haven't come up with anything but the head-in-the-sand approach.

            There are always one or two who, while they may not literally defend the indefensible, are shameless enough to insist they just don't see the indefensible.

            Fox is just doing a more passive version of this, if they're not reporting it, it either didn't happen, or isn't newsworthy.
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            • Author by Space-Pedestrian (August 15, 2010 6:18 pm ET)
                 
              You and I should Skype sometime. I think you'd be really surprised.
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    • Author by grmce (August 14, 2010 12:43 am ET)
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      The point about all of this is the intensity of racial attacks on President Obama and his administration.

      There is an obsession amongst U.S. "conservatives" with race. To that I would say "Grow up and read a book." If you can't grasp the 18th century words of Robert Burns, "A man's a man, for a' that" then maybe the more modern research that point out that there are no significant genetic differences between the so-called races.

      The whole race thing in the U.S. grew out of an act of hypocrisy, a despicable attempt to justify slavery when it clearly violated the foundations of the Republic. In order to justify enslaving a whole group of human beings it was necessary to dehumanise them in much the same way that the military often dehumanise the group that are classified as "the enemy". Once you deny a person's humanity all forms of cruelty are possible!

      Until the U.S as a nation comes to grips with its "original sin" as a nation it will not progress, rather it will decline. This, despite some of the great leaps forward that have been made.

      Until there is no place for racial hate and envy in pubic discourse, the sin of the past will continue to poison the present and threaten the future.
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      • Author by diamonds (August 15, 2010 12:19 am ET)
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        I don't see what place this "original sin" has on our current decision making. The best thing we can do is forgive what has happened and ask for forgiveness.

        Judge people, as individuals by the content of their character. Nothing else is relevant.
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        • Author by grmce (August 15, 2010 1:53 pm ET)
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          The best thing we can do is forgive what has happened and ask for forgiveness.


          Exactly my point. It's astounding how many professed Christians seem to know nothing about repentance and forgiveness - the essence of reconciliation, which is at the heart of tolerance.
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    • Author by ojnabieoot (August 14, 2010 9:04 am ET)
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      I missed Ingraham's accent remarks when she made them.

      Now, I could make the comment that maybe she didn't know that Obama - along with a large number of professional black Americans - often use different accents and manners of speaking depending on the audience. Speaking as an Oklahoman who lived in Massachusetts and Canada, I definitely speak to non-Oklahomans differently than I do my family and friends back home. It's a pretty common thing in America, since we're a diverse country with no particular ethnicity. One wouldn't expect Ingraham to know anything about this.

      But it's not just that. She's clearly annoyed that the black president is also culturally black, so she throws some crap in there about "pandering," when it's quite transparently outrage due to race. "You can be a black president, but you can't actually be black!"
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      • Author by latichever (August 14, 2010 10:53 am ET)
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        Where is Joe Welch when we really need him?

        Joe Welch to Joe McCarthy: "Have you no sense of decency, sir? At long last, have you left no sense of decency?"

        Oh wait, I forgot the right is rehabbing McCarthy. They do have no decency or shame (as the Welch quote is often misstated).
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        • Author by Andy Kreiss (August 14, 2010 12:48 pm ET)
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          It's funny that, a few years back, I would occasionally see a right wing poster on a website offering a half-hearted defense of Mccarthy ( along the lines of " He wasn't all bad").

          Just recently, I heard an ad on righty radio for a new book, titled something like "Blacklisting History", which, from the blurb, sounds like a valentine to the kook. I may have heard the ad during Glenn Beck's show, which would make sense, as he seems to be the most paranoid Red-Scare promoter.

          The right is pretty busy with their revisionist history.
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          • Author by Timmee (August 14, 2010 4:01 pm ET)
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            Ann Coulter started that...
            Go look in the archives of Front Page Magazine. That's where a lot of these kooks float their crazy.

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        • Author by Andy Kreiss (August 14, 2010 1:02 pm ET)
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          Sorry, it's Blacklisted by History

          In Googling the book, I found a review on Freerepublic that's pretty funny, too.
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    • Author by Porkeater (August 14, 2010 1:26 pm ET)
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      I guess their thinking is like this: if we can't "Waterloo" the President by blocking his efforts to enact legislation, and we can't characterize him as an out-of-touch elitist, and we can't make people hate him who wouldn't hate him anyway, maybe we can convince people that America just isn't ready for a black President. *Yet*.
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    • Author by Timmee (August 14, 2010 3:53 pm ET)
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      There are a lot of people that don't have the knowledge to offer a sophisticated defense to this kind of day-to-day lying and propaganda. There is just so much of it...
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    • Author by onementalgiant (August 14, 2010 10:43 pm ET)
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      Trust me on this. 99% of true conservatives care less about Obama's skin color. It is his POLICIES we disagree with. No matter how many times you leftists assert we conservatives supposedly have a problem with having a black president, it will not change the FACT our only problem with Obama are his destructive policies. As to the never-ending reminders of his race, it is liberals who constantly bring up his color. Conservatives have been forced into responding to the continual outlandish race baiting assertions the left always brings up.

      Once more: WE DON'T CARE WHAT COLOR (or gender) OUR PRESIDENT IS! WE DO CARE ABOUT THE FUTURE OF AMERICA!

      I am certain some of you will reflect on what I am saying a few years from now and say something like: "Dang, that guy on MMFA was pretty much right", once your kids and grandkids feel the real repercussions of Obama's policy decisions. In fact, by the time 2012 rolls around a lot of you will be agreeing with us conservatives.

      One last thing, can MMFA and you PLEASE leave the race issue alone for a while? Thank You.
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      • Author by DellDolly (August 15, 2010 1:58 am ET)
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        If Obama actually HAD some offensive policies, it might be easier to believe you when you say that it's his offensive policies that you have a problem with!

        The future of America is better off with the financial stimulus than it would have been without it, or with more tax cuts and less stimulus.

        The future of America is better off with HCR than it would have been without it.

        The future of America is better off with the plans for comprehensive immigration reform than it would be with solely putting more effort into securing the borders that are already almost as secure as they can be without us waging war with Mexico!

        Yet YOU want to claim htat you solely want what's best for America.

        If that were true, you would have been protesting in the street when Bush was funding tax cuts with deficit spending, and when he was passing the Medicare Prescription drug benefit with deficits, and when he invaded Iraq after the UN Weapons Inspectors told him that the intelligence was wrong and Saddam has been telling the truth in December, 2002 when he said that they had no WMD's.

        But you weren't. So, you didn't act when the country WAS being abused by its leader, and you're being dishonest now in your portrayal of how Obama is governing!
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        • Author by onementalgiant (August 15, 2010 10:59 am ET)
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          Recommend you stay out of this discussion DD. Race is a sensitive subject so should be discussed by adults only. Thank you. Sincerely, OMG.
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      • Author by mescal (August 15, 2010 2:29 am ET)
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        "Trust me on this." - onementalgnat

        Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaheeheeheeheeheeheeheeheehahahahahahahahahahahahahohohohohohohohohohohehehehehehehehahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

        Thanks, gnatty. It's been a long day, and I really needed the laugh.

        By the way... a few years from now YOU will either be shaking your thoroughly chagrined head at what a manipulated little right wing tool that you had once been, or (more likely) you will be busy stockpiling canned goods, ammo, and gold coins in your backyard bunker in preparation for the latest Faux News promoted wingnut prediction of the imminent collapse of Western Civilization as a result of a Democrat in the White House.
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      • Author by Andy Kreiss (August 15, 2010 3:04 am ET)
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        Oh, mentalgnat, you are a gift that keeps giving.

        Trust me on this. 99% of true conservatives care less[sic] about Obama's skin color.

        Do you have a source for that figure ? I'm sure you do, I just want to pre-empt anybody else who might accuse you of substituting things you pull out of your hole for facts.

        Once more: WE DON'T CARE WHAT COLOR (or gender) OUR PRESIDENT IS!


        And putting on the capslock and adding exclamation points is a good way of convincing people you're not very concerned at all. Almost as convincing as Rush, Beck, Hannity and all the rest screaming all day about race, and how little it matters to them.

        I am certain some of you will reflect on what I am saying a few years from now and say something like: "Dang, that guy on MMFA was pretty much right"

        I hope not, but I guess some of the older people visiting this site may develop Alzheimers in a few years, others may suffer severe head trauma in accidents, so I'll give you that one. I'm not sure why you'd be taking a lot of pride in it.

        I just get the feeling, with your constant defense of racists, and your feeble attempts at blaming those who point out racism as being racists, that you would be a lot happier if the subject was just not brought up, and hidden away as it has been for a lot of our history.


        One last thing, can MMFA and you PLEASE leave the race issue alone for a while?

        Oh, OK, that makes sense. If I were a child molester, I'd probably be asking people to avoid the subject of pedophilia.

        Does the question occur to you, that it wouldn't make sense for the people you're pretending are racist to be willing to discuss the subject, while you ( a self-described non-racist) are visiting a website begging people to ignore the topic ?

        Is your non-stop BS convincing you that you don't have a problem ? I sure hope you don't think it's fooling anybody else.

        And one last question, one I've asked you before, but you have never answered; Is your screen name meant to be sarcastic or ironic ?
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        • Author by onementalgiant (August 15, 2010 10:49 am ET)
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          1st, I don't have a "source" for my 99% "figure". I thought I'd be gracious and say 99% for you lefties knowing you'd never believe the real "figure" is actually 100% - of all the conservatives I know. Trust me on this!

          Second, what is it with you AK? Your constant picking at how I type and the occasional typo I make. Some of your friends on here type their total message in caps and make all kinds of spelling errors / typos without you saying one word about it. This is known as hypocrisy.

          3rd, you will come to realize I am right starting next year when your tax burden will be increasing the largest in American history and Obama-care costs start trickling down to you and yours (just to mention a couple of Obama's horrible policy decisions).

          Fourth, please provide proof of my "constant defense of racists". Since you say "constant" you will need to show at least three.

          And since you people just can't stay away from race, I will remind you I probably have more "people of color" in my family then most of you. I won't prove it because it would require me to reveal my name and I can't do this because I really believe one of you nut cases would try to harm me and mine. I will say I have several Hispanics, Asians, Jewish, and blacks in my immediate family (some are liberals and some are conservatives). I love all of them and they love me.

          5th, what website is "begging people to ignore the topic (of race)"? You can't mean MMFA. They devote almost as much time and effort on race as they do on slamming FOX News, which BTW is a joke to most folks - the devotion they spend on criticizing FOX. In case you guys ever visit the real world (outside of MMFA), the vast majority of regular people think FOX is much more accurate then MMFA - since MMFA edits and takes things out of context so much.

          Sixth, my screen name of onementalgiant is tongue-in-cheek sarcastic. Even though it does seem to be appropriate, doesn't it?

          7th, me alternating between actual numbers and written numerals ID'ing paragraphs bugs you doesn't it? Admit it AK.
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          • Author by raddave43 (August 15, 2010 11:18 am ET)
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            So, the 3% tax increase on people making over $250 thousand is the largest in American history? That is total B.S. and you wingnuts either know it or really are ignorant. BTW that wasn't an Obama policy decision, it was a Bush one that wrote the expiration date into the tax cut legislature.
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          • Author by peace4all (August 15, 2010 1:16 pm ET)
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            so obamas race does not matter huh? than answer this for me. where was the right in trying to save our country when your side increased the debt from 3 trillion to 9 trillion? where were you when we were fighting two unfunded wars? where were you on spending when bush signed the medicare bill that increased the deficit? where were you when the bush administration broke the constitution by illegal wiretapping? on could go on and on about your side selective outrage. funny you guys never cared until a black man became president. so by the evidence, you are either racist, or this is just about not liking to be out of power. either way it shows just how little your side actually cares for the well being of this country.
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            • Author by onementalgiant (August 15, 2010 2:23 pm ET)
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              Here's the deal radd and peace: if you want to believe what you guys have said, go ahead. If you want to call me a racist, go ahead. I have said on this message board several times it is pointless to debate liberals. I could dispute, with proof, all of your talking points, but it would not have any effect on you whatsoever. Don't ask me why, but for some reason liberal brains are wired differently then normal thinking people. Thankfully, there are only about 20% of you left (pardon the pun).
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              • Author by GreenLantern (August 15, 2010 8:13 pm ET)
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                But you have not yet disputed one point with facts. I keep looking for actual facts and look them up when they are posted, then I verify them. I have not seen one from you. (I mean, "the largest tax hike in history"??? Really??) That sounded dumb if you do any research at all!
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          • Author by Andy Kreiss (August 15, 2010 2:57 pm ET)
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            1st, I don't have a "source" for my 99% "figure"... Trust me on this!

            If your arguments depend on others blindly accepting numbers you've just made up, you've essentially surrendered.

            Your constant picking at how I type and the occasional typo...


            I only noted one phrase ( for clarity, as the sentence fragment wasn't clear, and I wanted to emphasize that I was responding to what I assumed you meant to say),and mentioned the capslock and exclamation point in a "protesting too much" context.

            This isn't "picking on your typing", just trying to be clear, and noting your emotional overreaction to a subject that you claim not to have any interest in. Nice job of playing the victim again, though. And nice job of keeping alive the right wing streak of not understanding the meaning of the word "hypocrisy".

            3rd, you will come to realize I am right...

            In addition to arguing based on things you've admittedly just made up, this is arguing based on predictions with nothing to support them, and assumptions you're making about my tax bracket. Very weak.

            Fourth, please provide proof of my "constant defense of racists"... you will need to show at least three.

            Please see any race-related threads at this site over the past several days for your three examples, plus dozens more. I'm not going to go run errands for you.

            I will remind you I probably have more "people of color" in my family then most of you. I won't prove it...

            That's not really "reminding", it's just making an unproven assertion (you admit this). Besides that, nobody cares if you have people of color in your family. It's irrelevant, even if true, and does nothing to counter your constant defense of racism. I'm embarrassed for those who are still using the " some of my best friends are..." apology. It was tired 40 years ago, and hasn't aged well.

            I really believe one of you nut cases would try to harm me and mine...


            Nice touch with the paranoid name-calling in excusing another failure to make a point. Sure sign of desperation.

            5th, what website is "begging people to ignore the topic (of race)"?

            Sorry for the confusion. I probably should have put a comma in there;

            you ( a self-described non-racist) are visiting a website, begging people to ignore the topic ?


            "You" are the subject here, not the website.

            Sixth, my screen name of onementalgiant is tongue-in-cheek sarcastic. Even though it does seem to be appropriate, doesn't it?

            If it's tongue-in-cheek, it's very appropriate. The reason I was confused is that you constantly insult others intelligence and logic, so I thought maybe your nick was intended at face value.

            Do you understand the contradiction here ? You're saying that you sarcastically gave yourself a screen-name implying some great intelligence ( which makes sense), while simultaneously making remarks that suggest you're not aware of your shortcomings.

            7th, me alternating between actual numbers and written numerals ID'ing paragraphs bugs you doesn't it? Admit it AK.

            I didn't even notice until you pointed it out. I think you're a lot more obsessed with trivial details than normal people, which might explain your problems with following the big picture, and why you're so constantly confused and a few steps behind here.

            Anyway, I usually don't like to take up this much space on a thread responding to so many ridiculous points,so I apologize to those having to scroll past, but I'm always optimistic that something might sink in here and there, even with somebody who seems as opposed to learning anything as you do.

            Now I think I'm gonna head down to the beach for the rest of the day. Have a good one,OMG.

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            • Author by onementalgiant (August 15, 2010 7:45 pm ET)
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              I am spending way too much time playing on this message board. The wife is on my case about not getting stuff done. She's right. We bought a couple flat screen TVs three days ago and I haven't even got them out of the cartons yet!

              So, I'm gonna let you slide on your comments AK, except for the ones about me supposedly posting dozens of racist comments and the "some of my best friends are...".

              Since you can't provide even one, let alone dozens, of alleged racist post(s) by me, you are obviously wrong. And the "some of my best friends are..." isn't applicable for my post. These are my relatives. If you are talking "friends", then you need to call bintx out on this. She said your exact phrase a couple months ago about all of her "many, many Hispanic friends" and I called her out on it. Typically though, the libbies supported her statement. Just like the liberals supported Dan Rather and his watermelon "joke" about Obama.

              Hope you had a good day at the beach. I used to go for the kid's benefit but never did like all the sand mess in my car and such.
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              • Author by Andy Kreiss (August 16, 2010 2:58 am ET)
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                I'm gonna let you slide on your comments


                Probably the smartest move you've made in days. There really wasn't much for you to say except " Thank you, Andy, for totally dismantling my ridiculous 7 points of failure."

                As I noted in my very first response, you'd already given up.

                You should have stopped there, before you made the "exceptions".

                The examples of your defense of racists aren't hard to find. It would be way more challenging to find a post from you that wasn't doing that. I don't need to point these out.

                Trying to make a distinction between mentioning friends or relatives who are not white is a ridiculous difference without a distinction.

                I don't need to call out your vague references to other posters, but if you want to link to somebody using the "exact phrase", instead of another one of your unsupported claims, feel free to step it up a notch.

                You should have stopped at " I give up." You just keep digging that hole.

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              • Author by Andy Kreiss (August 16, 2010 3:36 am ET)
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                I hate to pile on, as you probably feel like a human pinata already, but I just saw this comment from you on a closed thread;


                Other then this, AK is indeed a typical liberal with twisted logic, such as considering the group with an 80% majority to be in the "bottom part of the country".


                I've seen more than one comment from you mentioning your inability to understand "liberal logic", and this is a good chance to illustrate why you're confused. You don't understand logic.

                Short explanation: If a math class had a test, and 20% said 2 + 2 = 4, and 80% said 2 + 2 =5, would you consider the 80% the "top of the class" because they had a majority consensus ?

                Another good example of this problem with logic that right wingers have is a recent court decision we had here in California. A majority of voters went against the constitution, and voted to deny civil rights to a minority.

                A smart judge overturned Prop 8, correctly determining that a prejudiced majority can not, constitutionally, enact mob rule to deny rights to a minority.

                Do you understand that ? I know I already recommended the movie Idiocracy to you, but you don't seem to understand that a large number of people being stupid doesn't change reality, or basic American principles.

                But thanks for playing.

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                • Author by onementalgiant (August 16, 2010 10:21 am ET)
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                  Swallowed too much salt water at the beach yesterday, eh AK? This usually causes delirium.

                  Yes, I heard about the pathetic egotistical judge in CA who overturned several million peoples votes that marriage is between one man and one woman. And while we're on this, can you tell me where in the Constitution it says marriage can also be between two men or two women?
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                  • Author by Johaely (August 16, 2010 10:59 am ET)
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                    Where does it say that it must be between a man and a woman?
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                    • Author by soze169880 (August 16, 2010 11:25 am ET)
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                      The Constitution clearly states that it's illegal to remind onementalpatient of his forbidden urges. Duh.
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                      • Author by Andy Kreiss (August 16, 2010 11:53 am ET)
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                        I think I'll cut my losses and not spend any more time trying to get a sensible response out of OMG. I know it sounds like an impossibility, but he seems to be getting stupider and more emotional with each of his failures.

                        I will give him points for hanging in there, though. If he had as much in the brains department as he does in tenacity, he'd be dangerous.
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      • Author by Chameo (August 15, 2010 1:26 pm ET)
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        I, for one, will happily leave the race issue alone when no one is suggesting that the Obama administration is implementing its policies to a) force reparations from the U.S. for past discrimination, b) take revenge against white America, c) promote a black agenda, or when they stop using racially-charged words to describe him and black members of his administration, suggesting that the family will grow watermelons on the WH lawn, depicting him as a witch-doctor and insisting that there is no longer any discrimination against people of color in this country. Considering that my daughter just got hired by a firm that's receiving stimulus money, and my son will be paying far less for his student loans than his older sister did four years ago, MY children are already feeling the effects of Obama's policy decisions, and so far, I'm more pleased than not pleased with them.
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        • Author by onementalgiant (August 15, 2010 2:58 pm ET)
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          I've never even heard of your a), b), and c) comments Cham. I did hear something about watermelons, but it was from Dan Rather who said Obama couldn't sell watermelons in Texas with police help or something like that. Your MMFA friends supported Dan Rather on this - spinning his comments as not racist but typical Texas. The best I can figure, a liberal can't say anything "racist". Only conservatives can.

          Regarding "Obama's help" with your daughter's job and son's student loan, you do realize your neighbors are paying for this, don't you? Even Obama can't produce money from thin air. The money comes from taxes, which come from workers (well, some workers - about half of workers don't pay any federal taxes). Having said this, congrats on prompting your kids to go to college. Post high school education is becoming more and more important.
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          • Author by CoolSlaw (August 15, 2010 4:57 pm ET)
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            Conservatives can't produce money from thin air either, we need taxes to pay for stuff. Maybe in magical libertarian Utopia we can cut taxes to 0% and still have a functioning democracy, but in the real world, we try to elect people that will promote a just and progressive tax system, and create or endorse programs that benefit our society the most as a whole.

            Like the program Chameo took advantage of to produce a positive effect for his children, we sometimes pay taxes because it's more important to allow those who work hard and have the ability to go to school and make something of themselves to do so, rather then let giant corporate lobbyists give all the breaks and advantages to their powerful clients.

            Sorry to burst your magical utopian libertarian bubble there.
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            • Author by onementalgiant (August 15, 2010 6:54 pm ET)
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              Hey Cool, I agree with you. Tell me where we differ?.......
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          • Author by Chameo (August 15, 2010 8:01 pm ET)
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            Regarding "Obama's help"--that help came from programs that are investments in America's future--startup money for a program that trains young people in the skills needed to succeed in the jobs of tomorrow (she's teaching them, not learning them, and her business is already starting to support itself without contributions), and student loans that my son will repay at a reasonable interest rate to the government, unlike my daughter, who paid higher interest rates to bankers who took fees for lending out money provided by the taxpayers. Those programs aren't gimmes and handouts--it makes economic sense for the country to spend its money in a way that enables its people to make a good living and succeed. And for the record, my taxes have helped support my neighors' needs for nearly 40 years, and I've never begrudged that money.

            If you really haven't heard either a, b or c that I noted, just do a Google search for "Obama reparations" or turn on Rush Limbaugh or any one of half a dozen other well-known right-wing talk radio hosts to hear all about the President's supposed hate for whites, and how his policies are his attempt to get back at America for its past racial history.
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            • Author by onementalgiant (August 16, 2010 5:13 pm ET)
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              I have never disagreed with investment of tax money on our future. I agree with you Cham. In fact, I got help with the GI Bill for my college expenses ($95.00 a month!) and one of my kids got a couple grants in college.

              I simply reminded everyone there needs to be a limit on entitlements. For example 2 1/2 years of unemployment payments is too long. Another is in some towns around me over 50% of people are on food stamps. Unlimited use of welfare for generation after generation is not only too long, it has held people back from the motivation to work (thankfully this has been changed - credit to Newt).

              Obama is spending money we don't have. Much, much more than any president before him. He has increased the deficit more then ALL of out prior presidents COMBIMED in less than two years! It must stop for the welfare of our kids and grandkids future.


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            • Author by onementalgiant (August 16, 2010 5:14 pm ET)
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              I have never disagreed with investment of tax money on our future. I agree with you Cham. In fact, I got help with the GI Bill for my college expenses ($95.00 a month!) and one of my kids got a couple grants in college.

              I simply reminded everyone there needs to be a limit on entitlements. For example 2 1/2 years of unemployment payments is too long. Another is in some towns around me over 50% of people are on food stamps. Unlimited use of welfare for generation after generation is not only too long, it has held people back from the motivation to work (thankfully this has been changed - credit to Newt).

              Obama is spending money we don't have. Much, much more than any president before him. He has increased the deficit more then ALL of out prior presidents COMBIMED in less than two years! It must stop for the welfare of our kids and grandkids future.


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          • Author by Andy Kreiss (August 16, 2010 3:09 am ET)
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            I've never even heard of your a), b), and c) comments Cham. (OMG)


            Then you have no business commenting on this topic.
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            • Author by mescal (August 16, 2010 3:13 pm ET)
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              Does that ever even slow them down?
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              • Author by Andy Kreiss (August 16, 2010 3:29 pm ET)
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                Point taken. You're right, their ignorance doesn't seem to be a deterrent to commenting, or even "lecturing" the people who are paying attention.
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      • Author by CoolSlaw (August 15, 2010 4:48 pm ET)
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        onementalgiant,

        So this whole thread and all the examples above are...?

        Earlier in the comments section I asked conservatives to point out these examples of liberals making a big deal about race, and of course there have been predictably no responses.

        You can repeat talking points and possibly get away with not being called out on them at times, sure. But you're making this claim on web page DIRECTLY UNDER A GIANT LIST OF EXAMPLES of the sort of thing you are denying exists. My friend, it's like taking a walk into the middle of a forest and claiming there are no such thing as trees.
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        • Author by onementalgiant (August 15, 2010 7:13 pm ET)
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          "Earlier in the comments section I asked conservatives to point out these examples of liberals making a big deal about race, and of course there have been predictably no responses."

          I'm gonna borrow AK's comment: "I'm not going to run errands for you." However you can Google Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Louis Farrakhan to name a few liberals who make a big deal about race.
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          • Author by pilotx (August 16, 2010 12:36 am ET)
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            I wouldn't say Rev. Al, Rev. Jackson or Mon Farrakkhan make a big deal about race so much as they help people who have been affected by polocies in this country based on the color of their skin. These men came of age during a period in which they could be killed for simply looking at a white person the wrong way or not get out of their way fast enough or just because it wasn't their day. Funny, out of all the people who bring up race on a daily basis, Rush, malkin, Beck conservatives seem to be using a bit of projection. Listen to Rev. Sharpton's show and then listen to Rush's then you tell me who brings up race more. I am really uncomfortable listening to conservative talk because they are so obsessed with race. If you can honestly say Rush and Beck and other conservative talkers do not bring up race then I just don't know what to say to you.
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    • Author by Space-Pedestrian (August 15, 2010 6:18 pm ET)
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      Alot of the comments cited here cannot be defended. However, it may be worth noting that the Bush Administration was also routinely referred to as both 'racist' and a 'regime' during his tenure. This kind of rhetoric really isn't that novel. While it would be too inconvenient to abandon you're talking points regarding conservatives, I am with most of the posters here who tell you we do not care what ethnicity the President is or isn't. It's the direction they're talking on a broad range of issues that effect all of us that is objectionable to us.
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      • Author by eweston8542983 (August 15, 2010 11:46 pm ET)
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        You are noticably short on examples of comments which need to be defended, or issues your willing bring up for debate, that you find objectionable. The routine use of 'racist' and 'regime' against shrub, that would be a third unsupported statement by you.

        I find the actions of the digg patriots objectionable. Using multiple identities to bury things on digg that wingnuts don't want people to see. How do you feel about them?

        See, thats how you can go about trying to start a dialog. Admittedly I haven't had a lot of luck with it myself with most wingnuts. What am I doing wrong?
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      • Author by pilotx (August 16, 2010 12:40 am ET)
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        I'm going to have to disagree with you there. Go to any news website that has a story about the prez or any person of color and read the comments section, you will see some of the most racist and vile comments you have seen. Also, the whole birth certificate thing is a new one on all of us. Being a person of color I have seen this as have many of us so while you may not see some things as racist we do because we have experience dealing with those things. When we do something that others have done for years suddenly the rules change. No one asked for Bush's b.c. did they? No one asked for Clinton's b.c. did they? No one asked for Reagan's b.c. did they? You see where I'm going? Just because you don't see something doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
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      • Author by soze169880 (August 16, 2010 11:27 am ET)
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        Rush Limbaugh is the leader of the Republican party. At what point did the leader of the Democratic party during the Bush administration call the administration a "racist regime"?
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