Beck doesn't want his church "preach[ing] who to vote for," but his "Black Robe" associates do
Glenn Beck recently announced that he would leave a church that "preach[ed] who to vote for," while discussing his 8-28 "Restoring Honor" rally. However, Beck is working with James Dobson on the formation of his "Black Robe Regiment," who, along with his organizations, has a history of trying to influence elections through churches, including advocating for pastors to endorse political candidates.
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Beck says he "would leave [his] church" if it "started to preach who to vote for"
Beck: "If my church started to preach who to vote for, oh, the Republicans are better than the Democrats or vice versa, I would also leave my church on that." On the August 30 edition of Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor, discussing his 8-28 rally, Beck said, "If my church started to preach who to vote for, oh, the Republicans are better than the Democrats or vice versa, I would also leave my church on that." From The O'Reilly Factor:
BILL O'REILLY (host): Now let's talk about the theocratic theme of the event. So there's -- do you think America should be run with a Judeo-Christian model of behavior? Is that what you want in the halls of power?
BECK: That's what we've -- well --
O'REILLY: We had it at one time? We did have it?
BECK: For our behavior? Yes. Does that mean that I want -- for instance, I've gotten in a lot of trouble for saying if my church is teaching social justice the way that Jeremiah Wright teaches social justice, leave your church. Let me say the same thing. If my church started to preach who to vote for, oh, the Republicans are better than the Democrats or vice versa, I would also leave my church on that. Teach people correct principles that all rights come from God.
Beck noted that he was working with Dobson in forming Black Robe Regiment
Beck said that he discussed with Dobson formation of Black Robe Regiment. Discussing his Black Robe Regiment initiative earlier in the day on his radio show, Beck said that there were religious leaders he met with who were wary of the initiative and were concerned that if they joined him they would "lose half [of their] congregation." However, Beck said, Dobson endorsed the initiative. According to Beck, Dobson "looked [Beck] right in the eye ... and he said; 'I will start tomorrow.' "
But Dobson and his organizations have history of using churches to influence elections
ADF, which Dobson co-founded, encouraged pastors to endorse candidates in 2008 and "challenge IRS rules that prohibit tax-exempt churches from engaging in partisan politics." In a September 2008 post onThe Washington Post's On Faith blog, David Waters wrote that the Alliance Defense Fund, which Dobson co-founded, "is recruiting preachers to challenge IRS rules that prohibit tax-exempt churches from engaging in partisan politics, step up to the pulpit ... and endorse a candidate." From the blog post:
The ADF is recruiting preachers to challenge IRS rules that prohibit tax-exempt churches from engaging in partisan politics, step up to the pulpit Sept. 28 and endorse a candidate.
ADF officials say this will be a courageous act of civil disobedience to defend free speech. It's really just a stunt by a conservative Christian organization to get evangelical Revs. to rev up the base for the Republican Party ticket. ADF was founded years ago by leaders of more than 30 Christian groups, including Focus on the Family's James Dobson, a born-again convert to the McCain-Palin Republican Party ticket.
Not that conservative evangelicals are the only churchgoers who appreciate a good stump speech under the cross on Sunday morning. Democratic candidates have been known to increase their church attendance in campaign seasons, especially in African-American churches. In too many churches, the long liturgical season between Easter and Advent isn't "Ordinary Time," it's "Campaign Time."
It's clearly Campaign Time for the ADF. "The (Sept. 28) sermon will be an evaluation of conditions for office in light of scripture and doctrine. They will make a specific recommendation from the pulpit about how the congregation would vote," ADF attorney Erik Stanley told the Post. "They could oppose a candidate. They could oppose both candidates. They could endorse a candidate. They could focus on a federal, state or local election."
Beck recently promoted ADF's "Pulpit Freedom Sunday" initiative, in which "several hundred preachers" say to IRS: "[C]ome after me. I dare you." On the August 27 edition of his Fox News show, Beck hosted former co-chair of the Texas Republican Party and evangelical minister David Barton, who touted this year's "Pulpit Freedom Sunday" initiative, saying that "you'll have several hundred preachers standing up and saying, 'IRS, come after me. I dare you. Come get me.'" Beck later told Barton that "you've got to come back next week ... because we have to talk about that" and stated: "Oh, America, oh, tell your preachers and your pastors and your priests and your rabbis about this. Please." Beck has credited Barton as suggesting the formation of the "Black Robe Regiment," and Barton spoke at Beck's August 27 "Divine Destiny" event.
In 2006, Dobson's group sought "'church coordinators' who would encourage pastors to 'speak about Christian citizenship,' conduct voter-registration drives, distribute voter guides and run get-out-the-vote efforts." An August 16, 2006, Washington Post article reported that Dobson's Focus on the Family organization sought "'church coordinators' who would encourage pastors to 'speak about Christian citizenship,' conduct voter-registration drives, distribute voter guides and run get-out-the-vote efforts." The Post reported also reported that Focus on the Family "said its efforts would be nonpartisan." From the Post:
Conservative Christian radio host James C. Dobson's national organization, Focus on the Family, said yesterday that it will work with affiliated groups in eight battleground states to mobilize evangelical voters in the November elections.
In targeting individual churches the way political organizers traditionally pinpointed certain wards, Focus on the Family is filling a void left by the near-collapse of the Christian Coalition and stepping into an area where recent Republican Party efforts have created resentment among evangelicals.
As a nonprofit, tax-exempt organization, Focus on the Family is barred from endorsing candidates. Tom Minnery, vice president of the Colorado-based group, said its efforts would be nonpartisan.
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In an e-mail message to supporters last week, Focus on the Family said it would partner with its state-level "family policy councils" to "combat voter apathy and encourage Christians to go to the polls" in Maryland, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Ohio, New Jersey, Minnesota, Montana and Tennessee. Minnery, in a telephone interview, said those states were chosen for their "live, hotly contested races."
The e-mail said Focus on the Family is looking for volunteer county coordinators whose duties would include "recruiting key evangelical churches." It also is seeking "church coordinators" who would encourage pastors to "speak about Christian citizenship," conduct voter-registration drives, distribute voter guides and run get-out-the-vote efforts.
In 2006, Dobson reportedly "work[ed] with ministers around Minnesota to mobilize in time to influence the Nov. 7 elections." The Minneapolis Star-Tribune reported in September 2006 [accessed via Nexis] that "[a]s part of a campaign to rouse Christian conservative voters, Dobson is coming to the Twin Cities next week to speak. His group also is working with ministers around Minnesota to mobilize in time to influence the Nov. 7 elections." While the article noted that Dobson had previously "stressed that they wouldn't tell people how to vote," he also said that"[w]hether Republicans deserve the power they were given, the alternatives are downright frightening." From the Star-Tribune:
As part of a campaign to rouse Christian conservative voters, Dobson is coming to the Twin Cities next week to speak. His group also is working with ministers around Minnesota to mobilize in time to influence the Nov. 7 elections.
Republicans counting on a strong turnout of Christian conservatives at the polls may have other reasons for concern. Midterm elections often do not excite the masses. A signature issue, such as a ban on same-sex marriage, is on the ballot in fewer states this year. And the federal government has promised to crack down on church-based partisan politicking after complaints about such behavior in 2004, which could suppress religious leaders' involvement and dampen turnout.
Dobson and others are working hard to counter that possibility, though they acknowledge their disappointment.
"Whether Republicans deserve the power they were given, the alternatives are downright frightening,"Dobson told more than 3,000 attendees at a recent "Stand for the Family" rally in Pittsburgh.
The event was the first of three designed to energize Christian conservative voters. All three are in states that have hotly contested Senate races: Minnesota, Pennsylvania and Tennessee.
The Pittsburgh event was part political rally, part church revival. Held at a downtown hockey arena, it featured entertainment by the Christian pop group the Sounds of Liberty. An enormous U.S. flag hung behind the speakers, who included Dobson, Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council and Gary Bauer of American Values. All warned of threats to religious liberty, to marriage and, as Perkins put it, of "our children being indoctrinated with homosexuality in our public schools."
All the speakers stressed that they wouldn't tell people how to vote.
But if a politician shares his principles on issues from judges to marriage "and is committed to the God of the universe, and from my perspective, Jesus Christ his only begotten son ... it would be a sin not to go to the polls and vote for him or her," Dobson said.

















Your condescension is noted. Oh my.
Mighty big of you. And given you posted that tripe after an article that explained there is no "national lanugage" in the US, you should expect nothing but condescention at the best.
Really? What of personal responsibility? Pull up your boot starps and get you shoulder to the grinstone. Why are you folks on the right always looking for a hand out?
And actually, I pity YOU - you are the one that doesn't have a basic grasp of the world around you. Or you have really poor reading comprehension skills. Either way, I'm sure it's a daily battle for you. Good luck.
The reason people (from all over the world) come to the USA is because of the promise of freedom and opportunity that is unique to this great country. America is an English-speaking country, and while the nation has not legally codified English as its 'official' language, it is in fact the language of the country - according to the CIA World Factbook, 82% of the population speaks English.
Your condescension says far more about your parochial ignorance than it does 'OpenSource.'
It wasn't an honest question on that other thread. The info was in the article upon which you were commenting!
And the whole POINT of that article was that DESPITE the fact that English IS the main language of commerce and activity in the USA, it's not okay to discriminate against those US citizens who were schooled in Puerto Rico where Spanish is the main language!
You were pwned on that thread, totally, and again on THIS one with your comment about St Peter! Get a clue, doofus!
When is Glenn leaving the Mormon church?
These are facts:
- Science and religion don't mix.
- Science and politics don't mix.
- Politics and religion don't mix.
When hucksters like Beck can't sell one, they'll mix in one or both of the others.
That's how they land the suckers.
FYI Glenn, I didn't read that in The New York Times.
Tell that to the global warming "religious" zealots who mix all three.
;)
Had I given it a second thought, I would have recognized that you were critiquing the ignorance of the deniers - excuse me, "skeptics" - who adopted the "hoax" meme to criticize their political opponent Al Gore and reinforce their belief that God is in charge of the climate.
It would be refreshing if for once Beck just admitted he's clinically insane. That would give his audience a better foundation on which to identify with the blathering fool leading them off the cliff.
Randy
I would have considered it sufficient to say he's a greedy huckster without convictions, but yours is such a more appropriate and all-inclusive way of saying it.
"Mr. Beck, do you believe that Joseph Smith discovered golden tablets chronicling Jesus Christ's time in the Americas?"
"Mr. Beck, are you currently wearing any type of garment purely for religious reasons? If yes, please elaborate."
If they separate their bona fide charity work from their religious structure they can apply for tax exempt status for that element just like any other charity.
But let a conservative try that. The IRS is all over them like flies over horse manure.
The IRS has no business telling a liberal/progressive clergy what he/she/it can say, and the IRS has no business telling conservative clergy what they can or cannot say. It's called 'Freedom of religion.' It is in the first amendment to the Constitution.
Progressives want to read that "freedom from religion," which is a twisting of the intent and genius of the American experiment.
I'm a lifelong Christian, never attended a single church were someone tried to seek votes. In fact, my SBC preacher admonished church members who were bringing religious discussions into the church. As he said, "they don't belong here. This is God's house, not Caesar's." Oh, and, like most Christian churches, we're firm believers in the social justice teachings of Jesus Christ.
I think you misspoke above. I hope you meant to say "political discussions." Being a firm believer in the social justice teachings of Jesus Christ means what? That salvation is equated with economic parity, perhaps? That the government should seek to redistribute wealth?
All of that stuff equates with the universal humanist values that are common to pretty well every religion.
The parable of the rich young ruler is one.
Christ's response to the Pharisees regarding paying taxes is another.
The admonition that whatever one does to the least, one does for Christ, is another.
I'd also recommend the Beatitudes
See, Christ wasn't really big on money . . . he cared about caring for each other and equality for all. Read your Bible. Sounds like you've been reading the faux conservative "prosperity" gospel which has absolutely no basis in Christ's teachings.
So, one has to assume that this was your BEST example, and it totally collapses under the simplest examination!
You claim that there are thousands of examples. Why didn't you provide a few of them? Why didn't you provide links? Well, we know why - because your allegation is BOGUS!
Ha ha! So how soon till you get back to blocking that mosque from being built?
You can talk about 'separation of Church and State' all you want, but what that means is the Constitution prohibits the state from interference with the Church, but does not prohibit the involvement of the Church in politics in any way, shape or form. And that is just what Jefferson meant when he coined the phrase.
In late 2004, Dobson led a campaign to block the appointment of Arlen Specter to head of the Senate Judiciary Committee because of Specter's pro-choice stance on abortion.[62] Responding to a question by Fox News personality Alan Colmes on whether he wanted the Republican Party to be known as a "big-tent party," he replied, "I don't want to be in the big tent... I think the party ought to stand for something."[16]
In 2006, Family Research Council spent more than a half million dollars to promote a constitutional amendment to ban same-sex marriage in its home state of Colorado.[63]
A May 2005 article by Hedges in Harper's Magazine described Dobson as "perhaps the most powerful figure in the Dominionist movement" and "a crucial player in getting out the Christian vote for George W. Bush."[64] Discernment Ministries, a site that describes dominionism as a heresy, characterized Dobson as belonging to the "Patriotic American" brand of dominionism, calling him "One of its most powerful leaders."[65]
In November 2004, Dobson was described by the online magazine Slate.com as "America's most influential evangelical leader."[6] The article explained "Forget Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson, who in their dotage have marginalized themselves with gaffes...
Dobson is now America's most influential evangelical leader, with a following reportedly greater than that of either Falwell or Robertson at his peak...
Dobson may have delivered Bush his victories in Ohio and Florida."[6] Further,
"He's already leveraging his new power. When a thank-you call came from the White House, Dobson issued the staffer a blunt warning that Bush 'needs to be more aggressive' about pressing the religious right's pro-life, anti-gay rights agenda, or it would 'pay a price in four years.'...
Dobson has sometimes complained that the Republican Party may take the votes of social conservatives for granted, and has suggested that evangelicals may withhold support from the GOP if the party does not more strongly support conservative family issues:
"Does the Republican Party want our votes, no string attached — to court us every two years, and then to say, 'Don't call me, I'll call you' — and not to care about the moral law of the universe? ... Is that what they want? Is that the way the system works? Is this the way it's going to be? If it is, I'm gone, and if I go, I will do everything I can to take as many people with me as possible."
However, in 2006, Dobson said that, while "there is disillusionment out there with Republicans" and "that worries me greatly," he nonetheless suggested voters turn out and vote Republican in 2006. "My first inclination was to sit this one out," but according to The New York Times, Dobson then added that "he had changed his mind when he looked at who would become the leaders of Congressional committees if the Democrats took over."
Dobson garnered national media attention once again in February 2008 after releasing a statement in the wake of Senator John McCain's expected success in the so-called "Super Tuesday" Republican primary elections. In his statement, Dobson said: "I cannot, and will not, vote for Senator John McCain, as a matter of conscience," and indicated that he would refrain from voting altogether were McCain to become the Republican candidate, echoing other conservative commentators' concerns about the Senator's conservatism.
He endorsed Mike Huckabee for president. After McCain selected a pro-life candidate, Sarah Palin, as his running mate, Dobson said that he was more enthusiastic in his support for the Republican ticket. When Palin's 17-year old daughter's pregnancy was revealed, Dobson issued a press release commending Palin's stance, saying,
“ We have always encouraged the parents to love and support their children and always advised the girls to see their pregnancies through, even though there will of course be challenges along the way. That is what the Palins are doing, and they should be commended once again for not just talking about their pro-life and pro-family values, but living them out even in the midst of trying circumstances."
On June 24, 2008, Dobson publicly criticized statements made by U.S. Presidential candidate Barack Obama in Obama's 2006 "Call to Renewal"[69] address. Dobson stated that Obama was "distorting the traditional understanding of the Bible to fit his own worldview."[70]
On October 23, 2008, Dobson published a "Letter from 2012 in Obama's America" that proposed that an Obama presidency would lead to:
mandated homosexual teachings across all schools; the banning of firearms in entire states; the end of the Boy Scouts, home schooling, Christian school groups, Christian adoption agencies, and talk radio; pornography on prime-time and daytime television; mandatory bonuses for gay soldiers; terrorist attacks across America; the nuclear bombing of Tel Aviv; the conquering of most of Eastern Europe by Russia; the end of health care for Americans over 80; out-of-control gasoline prices; and complete economic disaster in the United States, among other catastrophes.
In the days after the 2008 presidential election, Dobson stated on his radio program that he was mourning the Obama election, claiming that Obama supported infanticide, would be responsible for the deaths of millions of unborn children, and was "going to appoint the most liberal justices to the Supreme Court, perhaps, that we've ever had."
Dobson is an intelligent design supporter and has spoken at conferences supporting the subject, and frequently criticizes evolution.[73]
In 2007, Dobson was one of 25 evangelicals who called for the ouster of Rev. Richard Cizik from his position at the National Association of Evangelicals because Cizik had taken a stance urging evangelicals to take global warming seriously.[74]
On May 30, 2010, Dobson delivered the pre-race invocation at the NASCAR Coca-Cola 600 automobile race, raising some questions[specify] about his association with a sport associated with sponsors and activities which would not meet his definition of family-friendly.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Dobson#Political_and_social_influence
a great big cat -- cause it's important for his salvation!
Cause his black-robe boys told him so -- oh yes!