Right-wing media concoct Clinton attack on Obama
Right-wing media omitted essential context from recent remarks made by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to falsely claim that she attacked President Obama's economic policies when she said, "I think that our rising debt levels poses a national security threat," and also to speculate that Clinton is planning to challenge Obama in 2012. In fact, Clinton's full remarks clearly condemned the policies of the Bush administration -- not Obama.
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Clinton's national security remarks -- in context -- clearly condemn Bush spending policies
Clinton: "[I]t is fair to say that ... we fought two wars without paying for them, and we had tax cuts that were not paid for either, and that has been a very deadly combination to fiscal sanity and responsibility." During a September 8 appearance at the Council on Foreign Relations, Clinton stated that the "rising debt levels poses a national security threat" and criticized President Bush's deficit spending (emphasis added):
CLINTON: I think that our rising debt levels poses a national security threat, and it poses a national security threat in two ways. It undermines our capacity to act in our own interest, and it does constrain us where constraint may be undesirable. And it also sends a message of weakness internationally. I mean, it is very troubling to me that we are losing the ability not only to chart our own destiny but to, you know, have the leverage that comes from this enormously effective economic engine that has powered American values and interests over so many years.
So I don't think we have a choice. It's a question of how we -- how we decide to deal with this debt and deficit. I mean, you know, it is -- we don't need to go back and sort of re-litigate how we got to where we are, but it is fair to say that, you know, we fought two wars without paying for them, and we had tax cuts that were not paid for either. And that has been a very deadly combination to fiscal sanity and responsibility.
So the challenge is how we get out of it by making the right decisions, not the wrong decisions. I mean, there's a lot of wrong things we could do that would further undermine our strength. I mean, it is going to be very difficult for those decisions.
NYDN: "Clinton took a veiled shot at Republicans...for running up a national debt" that was harmful to U.S. interests. The New York Daily News reported on Clinton's statement and noted that in her remarks about the national debt she "took a veiled shot at Republicans on Wednesday for running up a national debt that she said was a drag on U.S. influence overseas."
Right-wing media omit context to falsely claim Clinton attacked Obama, speculate she is planning 2012 run
Fox News uses deceptive video editing to concoct Clinton/Obama schism. On the September 8 edition of Fox News' America Live, host Megyn Kelly aired a clip of Clinton's remarks but omitted the portion in which Clinton criticized Bush's spending policies. She and guest Monica Crowley then baselessly speculated about whether Clinton, in Kelly's words, is "coasting along in this role of secretary of state, watching President Obama take all the hits on the economy, maybe a tweak here or there about how his policies are undermining not just our national economy, but our international security, which she does have to worry about, and then what, she emerges in a couple of years to say, 'I told you so.' " Kelly teased the segment by asking, "Did Hillary Clinton just effectively declare her candidacy for president of the United States?"
Fox Nation: "Hillary takes Swipe at Obamanomics?" Linking to video of Clinton's remarks, Fox Nation asked, "Hillary Takes Swipe at Obamanomics?" From Fox Nation:
Fox & Friends: "She's clearly talking about President Obama." On the September 9 edition of Fox News' Fox & Friends, co-host Gretchen Carlson teased a segment on Clinton's comments by asking, "Why is she taking a swing at President Obama?" Later in the show, co-hosts Steve Doocy, Brian Kilmeade, and Carlson all agreed with guest Meghan McCain that Clinton was "clearly talking about President Obama." From Fox & Friends:
CLINTON [video clip]: Our rising debt levels poses a national security threat, and it poses a national security threat in two ways. It undermines our capacity to act in our own interest, and it does constrain us where constraint may be undesirable. And it also sends a message of weakness internationally.
DOOCY: Wait a minute, it sounds like she's taking a swing at her own boss.
McCAIN: Yeah, I mean, I think everyone thinks this is surprising. I'm glad that she is, sort of, feels the way I feel. Is she running for 2012? I have no idea. I don't know if this is necessarily an indicator.
KILMEADE: Well, I will say this. If you look at the GDP, in relation to debt, President Obama has added more to the debt then everyone from George Washington combined up to Ronald Reagan. So, if she's concerned about the debt -- and she's really talking about President Obama.
McCAIN: Yeah. She's clearly talking about President Obama. And I agree that it is a national security threat, so Hillary Clinton and I agree on something.
Morris: Clinton's comments are "the first shot in the Democratic primary of 2012." On the September 8 edition of Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor, Dick Morris claimed that Clinton's comments were "no accident at all" and "the first shot in the Democratic primary of 2012":
BILL O'REILLY (host): That comes one day -- one day after Barack Obama announces a $500 billion stimulus spending bill that would ratchet up the debt even further. Accident?
MORRIS: No, no accident at all. It's -- nothing she does is an accident about that. This, I believe, is the opening side shot, the first shot in the Democratic primary of 2012. That's not to say it's certain that she'll run. It's to say she's moving in that direction. If Obama gets massacred, yet on Election Day, which I think his people will. I think it's going to be the biggest rout you can imagine. And if that sends his poll numbers cascading downwards, then I think there will, in fact, be a spontaneous grassroots Democratic demand for new leadership.
WorldNetDaily: "Dissension In The Ranks: Cabinet member hits alarm over Obama's colossal debt." In a September 8 article titled, "Dissension In The Ranks: Cabinet member hits alarm over Obama's colossal debt," WorldNetDaily's Jerome Corsi distorted Clinton's comments even while noting that Clinton was blaming Bush for the current deficit problem (emphasis added):
Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and the U.S. military joint command are now both on record that rising levels of U.S. national debt pose a national security threat.
The message to the commander-in-chief now from both the secretary of state and the U.S. joint military command appears to have been delivered loud and clear -- continuing U.S. federal budget deficits measured in the trillions of dollars makes Americans less safe to threats posed by foreign enemies.
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In an apparent effort to blame President George W. Bush for the federal budget deficit problem, Clinton said, "I mean, you know, it is -- we don't need to go back and sort of re-litigate how we got to where we are, but it is fair to say that, you know, we fought two wars without paying for them, and we had tax cuts that were not paid for either."
Obama has not placed war funding in the DOD budget either.
The Iraq and Afghanistan war funding was passed by a supplemental spending bill, same as while Bush was president.
Actually two supplemental war spending bills were passed and signed into law by Obama in 2009. And the 2010 war funding was passed by a supplemental spending bill.
Bzzzt, wrong.
When Bush took us into an unnecessary war with Iraq, that was bad deficit spending. When he insisted on pushing through two tax cuts, one in an unprecedented way during wartime, and both pushed through with reconciliation with a expiration date because of the damage they were KNOWN to do to the National Debt, that was unnecessary and unwise deficit spending! When Bush and Congress pushed through an unfunded Medicare Prescription Drug Plan, that was unconscionable deficit spending!
And when one compares that to necessary deficit spending via the economic stimulus package to keep us from going into a second Great Depression, there IS no comparison.
So, no, she wasn't criticizing the Obama administration's choices! The Obama administration doesn't deserve a "swipe".
Do you seriously not know the difference? I mean, I know others tried to school you on this distinction before and I had hoped that you would educate yourself, but I guess you haven't.
It's time you do.
You are off topic, again. Troll.
That's right, deficit spending.
And so she sure WAS talking about how SOME deficit spending was BAD spending that added to the National Debt in an unsupportable, unwise way, and how OTHER spending was NOT unwise and unsupportable.
You just got totally pwned, dummy!
Wow. How stupid must you feel now?
I mean, read her freakin' statement, and then tell me again how she wasn't talking about how some deficit spending causes reasonable debt and how other deficit spending doesn't.
So I don't think we have a choice. It's a question of how we -- how we decide to deal with this debt and deficit. I mean, you know, it is -- we don't need to go back and sort of re-litigate how we got to where we are, but it is fair to say that, you know, we fought two wars without paying for them, and we had tax cuts that were not paid for either. And that has been a very deadly combination to fiscal sanity and responsibility.
And oooohhhhh how that differs from your ridiculous assertion from last week that I linked to below that our debt is of little concern right now.
You must really feel foolish over that one!
Now she thinks you and I are the same poster, look below.
If she does get an emergency med increase, her doctor is a menace to society.
One to many yawns is probably how she escaped.
If you want to use the out of context snippet that the dishonest righty mediaites use, than you are going to be pilloried for a lack of context. That is what this thread is about- the context of her statements. When you ignore context and then accuse others of being off-topic, it makes your arguments even more difficult to stomach and undermines your credibility on those VERY few occasions when you actually make rational statements.
Pongo-for all the accusations of personal animus against DD you seem offer nothing but the same. How bout STFU untill you have something factual.
So did you.
Her point about debt was made by highlighting deficit spending-
"we fought two wars without paying for them, and we had tax cuts that were not paid for either. And that has been a very deadly combination to fiscal sanity and responsibility."
You willfully ignore the context, AND you ignore Clinton's actual words. Are you really no better than World Nut Daily and serial liar Dick 'Toeman' Morris and the rest of the dishonest righty media figures who do the same thing; remove context and facts and replace them with lies and misrepresentations? Today you lay with the dogs.
Funniest one yet!
You are nothing but an hysterical reactionary partisan who, like Dolly, doesn't know the distinct difference between the deficit and debt.
Maybe you will educate yourself and take Dolly with you. You both could use it.
Deficit spending is what CREATES the debt, and Hillary Clinton WAS, undeniably, talking about how some UNNECESSARY and UNWISE deficit spending had added to the debt in an unwise and unnecessary way.
This is undeniable, yet you try to deny it because you are so overwhelmed by your personal animus towards me!
It is not mhughen or I who needs education.
Now get back on topic troll, or I will gather the sockpuppet clones and instruct a massive thumbs down campaign your way.
And you know how that sets you off in a ranting tailspin.
A FEW times I have mocked people for ganging up on me with unwarranted, personal attack thumbs down. I have never gone off in a ranting tailspin about them.
And that's why you didn't post any evidence of me doing so - because I haven't.
And when you or your sockpuppet clones have made personal attacks and ACCUSED me of whining about thumbs down, which I don't do, I have shot down THOSE baseless accusations too, but again, I haven't gone off in "ranting tailspins" then either!
And your toothless accusation that at your quitting time, you're going to do ANYTHING is laughable. By now, ALL the regulars here know that you quit right around 6:45 PM Eastern time. Occasionally you'll stay "late" until 6:50 or so.
I've explained this a couple of times in THIS THREAD alone, but you STILL don't get it? Really?
Pointing OUT a few times that there's a clear pattern of that behavior is NOT equivalent to giving a sh!t about what they say about me, because I know that the ONLY thing the thumbs down say about me is that I really frustrate the paid trolls and the sockpuppet trolls and the ignorant trolls who post here. It is an obvious demonstration of their personal animus towards me. It's undeniable.
Memo to Dolly's therapist; Today's session will be about paranoid delusions with no basis in reality. Do your prep work.
I have repeatedly documented times when similar comments from me and other posters have NOT been treated the same WRT thumbs down. That means that posters are ganging up on me.
It's undeniable, yet you deny it. It's indisputable yet you dispute it.
The mentally ill person is the person who denies reality, doofus. The sane person is the one who acknowledges reality, dummy.
And the paid trolls and clueless trolls are those who, when they can't refute the facts, make personal attacks.
I have YET to "cry" or "whine" about the thumbs down. I have simply pointed out that they exist and it's a falsehood to suggest that it doesn't happen!
The person who's whining here would be YOU.
She is not taking a swipe at this administration of which she is an integral part. But since you want to ignore context and Clinton's ACTUAL words I have answered my own question-
me:
Today, you are no different. Today you lay with dogs.
Wear it proudly.
and then are incredulous when people point out your falsehoods. Nice work.
Don't blame me for not buying what you are trying to sell.
Critical thinking is for grown-ups so be careful you dont hurt yourself when (if) you finally start to do some.
YOU tried to assert that she wasn't talking about deficits and debt, when it was undeniable that she clearly was, and in that effort, apparently YOU missed that her discussion of the types of deficit spending that were deleterious to our national debt weren't Obama's flaws, but were in fact Bush's unnecessary deficit spending that increased the debt.
It's a question of how we -- how we decide to deal with this debt and deficit. I mean, you know, it is -- we don't need to go back and sort of re-litigate how we got to where we are, but it is fair to say that, you know, we fought two wars without paying for them, and we had tax cuts that were not paid for either. And that has been a very deadly combination to fiscal sanity and responsibility.
So, clearly she was talking about both - that's clear from her first sentence.
THen, in her last sentence copied above, she says "And that has been a very deadly combination to fiscal sanity and responsibility." And what is the "that" of which she speaks?
It is the unpaid-for wars and the unfunded tax cuts.
So her sentence COULD read
"And having two unfunded wars and two tax cuts that were paid for by deficit spending has been a very deadly combination to fiscal sanity and responsibility."
So, tell us AGAIN, RightON, how she wasn't actually talking about deficit spending?
Or simply slink away like you always do, simply making unfounded personal attacks.
So her sentence COULD read
"And having two unfunded wars and two tax cuts that were paid for by deficit spending has been a very deadly combination to fiscal sanity and responsibility."
So, tell us AGAIN, RightON, how she wasn't actually talking about deficit spending?
When you come up with something new, let me know.
Spend ALL your time finding that...........
Because it doesn't exist.
You can't FIND a SINGLE example of my stupidity, because I don't post ANY stupidity on this site, ever.
As my post above details, if you replace Clinton's "that" (a demonstrative pronoun) with the actual nouns which the "that" referred to, it's 100% clear and indisputable that she in fact WAS talking about unnecessary and unwise deficit spending (two unfunded wars and tax cuts) all along!
And because YOU can't actually dispute/refute that FACT, you, once again, simply made an invalid personal attack.
You haven't EVER "obliterated my stupidity". You can't "obliterate" what doesn't exist, doofus! No one can. It's IMPOSSIBLE to obliterate a mirage, an illusion.
When one buys a house with a mortgage, one goes into debt because of deficit spending!
This is not rocket science, yet you and your sockpuppet clones couldn't figure it out.
From your own post....
"You cant (put words in Hillary's mouth)."
I don't put a SINGLE word in YOUR mouth by replacing your "that" with the "put words in Hillary's mouth" phrase that the word "that" referred to and replaced!
This isn't rocket science, dummy. Are you REALLY so ignorant that you don't really understand this simple grammatical concept?
Putting (put words in Hillary's mouth) in parentheses demonstrates how you replace something with something else to make it more understandable.
I swear, your side will resort to such useless and easily overcome lies and distortions to attack another poster, it's insane!
I bet you burned a lot of brain cells figuring that out.
"Yes, debt is a problem, but it's not at a level currently that should cause much concern at all right now. Yes, it's something that needs to be addressed soon, but it's really not the terrible thing that the rightwing media has been trying to make it out to be"
She and Hillary Clinton are saying the exact opposite thing.
See, it was supposed to be a back and forth between "two" posters (really one poster with two screen names), but he messed up and forgot!
Thanks for exposing your dishonesty in yet another way.
REALLY?
And again, YOU forget which screenname you were replying to, and so you messed up!
You replied to your own post. You "agreed" with your own post! Except that one wouldn't agree with one's own post - one would only do that to another's post.
YOU got confused. You forgot who had made the previous post. You got caught.
But we already KNEW that you were a paid poster with multiple screennames that you use. You were Tommy, and you tried out Rational Conservative at the same time that Wesley the weasel introduced BluDog. You both tried to create new personalities that would seem less "rightwing" at the same time, not a coincidence.
You're very frustrated with my ability over the last year to destroy your credibility, and you'll try almost any path possible to lash out at me. This is well known by everyone.
You were made to look like a fool on this thread today and when that happens, and it happens plenty, you get all pi$$y.
Call me an a$$hole if you'd like, unlike you I don't freak out over it.
Except who would waste their money on her tripe?
You're a real sleuth, Dippy. Keep it up. You're too smart to be fooled by RightOn's wily masquerades . . . Aren't you?
It's twistleton, Pongo Twistleton, not whistleton.
It poses a potential threat IF we do not deal with it.
And even THAT doesn't contradict what I wrote at all, since I wasn't talking about the national security worries about the debt at all!
But, yet again, thanks for showing us your personal animus.
The topic is how the rightwing invented an attack by Clinton on Obama out of thin air.
And you have failed, miserably, to address that topic at all.
She isn't "deservedly" taking a swipe at the Obama administration, since she ISN'T taking a swipe at Obama AND even if she were, it wouldn't be deserved!
So, Enlightened One, is our CURRENT debt rising or falling?
When you answer you that direct question, you will then see how moronic your statement above is.
Disagreement with you does not mean "personal animus." You set yourself up with these comments. Lighten up and quit taking yourself so seriously. You are posting on a public internet site's comments section. Enjoy the give and take.
Those are impenetrable.
bintx doesn't make rational comments about troll posts though. She likes feeding trolls and doesn't want to acknowledge that it's a bad thing to do, and so she has to attack those who point out that it's a bad thing to do.
I never said that he wishes to PHYSICALLY harm me, but it's clearly his intent to harm my credibility here, and he's clearly snowed YOU for months, dummy.
And you've allowed him to snow you because it fits in with YOUR personal animus towards me because I have repeatedly caught you in errors and omissions, and you'd apparently die before you'd admit to those errors!
It's not "disagreement with me". It's disagreement with FACTS, dummy. It's a FACT that Clinton was talking about how SOME deficit spending is unwise and leads to national debt that could lead to national security issues!
I have NEVER confused disagreement with being wrong on a factual issue.
But thanks for showing us that even a relatively smart person like you can be ignorant because of the influence of your personal animus towards another person. That's the ONLY reason you could repeatedly get it so wrong, and accuse me of being confused about disagreement when in fact it's YOU who's confused!
You slap your own credibility squarely in the face with your fists of incoherent, ranting, attacking nonsense.
I have no hand in that.
But you sure TRY to hurt my credibility.
All you do is continue to prove why you deserve NO credibility, credibility you (undeservedly) had when I first started posting here a year ago.
It's an incredibly bold and intellectual statement by DollySue. I just wish I had the wisdom and the economic stature to realize that unnecessary spending should be criticized and necessary spending should not.
I wonder how many years of advanced econ post grad classes it takes to nail that one down.
Person X: Statement about anything in the country.
Fox news: Person X condemns Obama and administration policies.
Clinton: "We have a serious problem with debt."
Fox News: Clinton condemns Obama and is starting to campaign for 2012.
Did Fox hire someone like Joseph Goebbels?