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Fox & Limbaugh: Bush deficits good, Obama deficits bad

September 21, 2010 5:38 pm ET — 43 Comments

Fox News and Rush Limbaugh have repeatedly criticized President Obama for supposedly being responsible for huge deficits. However, both recently attempted to defend former President Bush's policy of not paying for the Iraq and Afghanistan wars or his tax cuts.

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Limbaugh: "The whole notion of paying for tax cuts has always offended me"

Conservative media attack Obama for noting that Bush didn't pay for tax cuts or wars. Limbaugh and the hosts of Fox & Friends attacked Obama for his statement at a September 20 town hall event that "we had two tax cuts that weren't paid for, two wars that weren't paid for. We've got a population that's getting older. We're all demanding services, but our taxes have actually substantially gone down." From the town hall:

OBAMA: The problem that I've seen in the debate that's been taking place and in some of these Tea Party events is I think they're misidentifying sort of who the culprits are here. As I said before, we had to take some emergency steps last year. But the majority of economists will tell you that the emergency steps we take are not the problem long term. The problem long term are the problems that I talked about earlier. We've got -- we had two tax cuts that weren't paid for, two wars that weren't paid for. We've got a population that's getting older. We're all demanding services, but our taxes have actually substantially gone down.

And so the challenge, I think, for the Tea Party movement is to identify specifically what would you do. It's not enough just to say, get control of spending. I think it's important for you to say, I'm willing to cut veterans' benefits, or I'm willing to cut Medicare or Social Security benefits, or I'm willing to see these taxes go up.

What you can't do -- which is what I've been hearing a lot from the other side -- is say we're going to control government spending, we're going to propose $4 trillion of additional tax cuts, and that magically somehow things are going to work.

Limbaugh: "You don't pay for tax cuts." Discussing Obama's statement that the Bush tax cuts and wars were unpaid for, on September 20, Limbaugh said: "This whole premise here is misguided. Tax cuts were not paid for? You don't pay for tax cuts. The whole concept of paying for tax cuts is foreign. It's wrong. It's irrelevant." Limbaugh later added: "The whole notion of paying for tax cuts has always offended me, as though government is first, last, and always, and whatever happens -- they are the single greatest repository of greed in the world, Washington, DC, including even all the tyrannical dictators around the world." Limbaugh expanded on his views: "You don't pay for tax cuts. Tax cuts generate wealth creation. The purpose of tax cuts is not to stimulate government; it's to help the economy."

Limbaugh also falsely suggested that tax cuts pay for themselves, saying: "By the way, revenues to the U.S. treasury in 2003 were in the neighborhood of $2.1 trillion. In 2007, revenues to the treasury were in the neighborhood of two-and-a-half trillion." He later added: "Revenues went up. The same thing happened in the 1980s." In fact, Bush's own economists acknowledged that the tax cuts did not pay for themselves.

Limbaugh: "The president said we had two wars that were not paid for," well "nothing is being paid for." From the September 20 edition of Limbaugh's show:

LIMBAUGH: Now the president said we had two wars that were not paid for. OK. Let me put it this way: Medicare is not paid for. The war on poverty is not paid for. Social Security is not paid for. Medicaid is not paid for. The Department of Education is not paid for. The EPA is not paid for. Why do you single out the Pentagon when the whole government is in deficit? Nothing is being paid for, Mr. President. Nothing. We're bankrupt. The country is broke. Nothing is being paid for. Two wars that weren't paid for? The Environmental Protection Agency is not paid for. Running Air Force One is not paid for. We don't have the money. Everything is adding up to a deficit.

Fox & Friends hosts defend Bush tax cuts and war spending. During the September 21 edition of Fox News' Fox & Friends, Kilmeade responded to Obama's remarks about the cost of the wars by stating, "And when you say the wars aren't paid for, what you're saying is that they went through the supplemental budget. They'd have the budget on line and they'd go through the supplemental. So then they would, of course, put the money there":

CARLSON: So a couple of thoughts when you hear that. First of all, the taxes, the reason the taxes went down over the last decade is because Bush put those into effect. Those are called the Bush tax cuts. And the spending, let's just take the president's comments on their face. Let's just say yeah, we did pay for two wars. Yeah, we did pay for some of that other stuff. Well then if you come in as president, why would you add to the spending? Because then we added health care and a bunch of other stuff to that. So you're being disingenuous to say that that spending came from the Bush eight years if you also don't add  your spending to the top of the equation.

KILMEADE: And when you say the wars aren't paid for, what you're saying is that they went through the supplemental budget. They'd have the budget on line and they'd go through the supplemental. So then they would, of course, put the money there.

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KILMEADE: So when you talk about the president doing that, at which time when they actually would put the budget together for the war, that's when everyone would throw in all their pork barrel projects.

DOOCY: Sure.

KILMEADE: The bridges and what have you. But in the meantime --

DOOCY: Earmarks.

KILMEADE: He's saying what Bill Clinton's saying. You get the talking points? The tea party -- I'm one of the tea party.

DOOCY: Right.

KILMEADE: I agee with them. We find it a noble thing that the tea party is out there.

DOOCY: Right.

KILMEADE: But let's get this straight. If you truly want to be a tea partier, you'll cut veterans benefits, you'll cut unemployment benefits, you'll cut Social Security, and you'll cut Medicare.

DOOCY: Right. He wanted specifics. "Tea party people, what do you want to cut?"

Limbaugh and Fox & Friends have repeatedly attacked Obama over deficits

Limbaugh: Obama is a "coward" without the "spine" or "gonads" to admit he caused federal deficit. On December 21, 2009, Limbaugh attacked Obama for noting that when he came into office, the nation faced "a deepening fiscal hole." Limbaugh claimed:

LIMBAUGH: So [Obama] has the audacity here to say that Republicans spend your money like Monopoly money, and again blaming the Bush administration. This guy is a coward. He does not have the gonads or the spine to even stand up and accept what he's doing. All of this is his doing.

Additionally, on the February 18 edition of his show, Limbaugh said that Obama "has spent us into this state of ruin in one year":

LIMBAUGH: There's not a person who's engaged in this in the world who doesn't know why this has happened. It's called Barack Hussein Obama Barry Soetero, who has spent us into this state of ruin in one year. Barack Hussein Obama. And now he's calling in these two retreads with 18 other people -- or 16 other people to study this?

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LIMBAUGH: Why are these guys even accepting the bill? What's in it for irksome [sic: Erskine] Bowles and Alan Simpson to accept the gig? Because if they're going to approach this honestly, they can produce their report today. And it would say, "Mr. President, either resign or put somebody else in charge of spending, because you are bankrupting and destroying the country."

Fox & Friends uses falsehood to attack Obama over deficits. On the February 25 edition of Fox and Friends, Kilmeade cited Karl Rove to claim that Obama "in the past has said things that have proven blatantly untrue" like, "for example," that "his budget wouldn't triple the deficit, and it has." In fact, only a portion of the fiscal year 2009 deficit is due to Obama's policies. Fox & Friends has also repeatedly hosted Fox News contributor Dick Morris to attack and spread falsehoods about Obama's contributions to the deficit. In addition, Fox & Friends has run on-screen text saying "Stop Goverment [sic] Spending!"

In fact, the Bush tax cuts and war spending helped turn surpluses into deficits

When Bush came into office, the budget was in surplus. In Fiscal Year 2001, which covered October 1, 2000 - September 30, 2001, the government ran a surplus of more than $128 billion. But spending and tax policies -- as well as a recession and the 9-11 attacks -- quickly turned those surpluses into deficits.

CBO projected $1.2 trillion deficit for 2009 before Obama took office. CBO predicted a $1.2 trillion deficit for Fiscal Year 2009 before Obama took office. From CBO's January 2009 budget report, released on January 7:

The ongoing turmoil in the housing and financial markets has taken a major toll on the federal budget. CBO currently projects that the deficit this year will total $1.2 trillion, or 8.3 percent of GDP. That total, however, does not include the effects of any future legislation. Enactment of an economic stimulus package, for example, would add to the 2009 deficit. In any event, as a percentage of GDP, the deficit will most likely shatter the previous post-World War II record high of 6.0 percent posted in 1983.

A drop in tax revenues and increased federal spending (much of it related to the government's actions to address the crisis in the housing and financial markets) both contribute to the robust growth in this year's deficit. Compared with receipts last year, collections from corporate income taxes are anticipated to decline by 27 percent and individual income taxes by 8 percent; in normal economic conditions, they would both grow by several percentage points. In addition, the estimated deficit includes outlays of more than $180 billion to reflect the cost of transactions of the TARP.

The projected deficit for 2009 also incorporates CBO's estimate of the cost to the federal government of the recent takeover of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Because those entities were created and chartered by the government, are responsible for implementing certain government policies, and are currently under the direct control of the federal government, CBO has concluded that their operations should be reflected in the federal budget. Recognizing the cost of the takeover adds about $200 billion (in discounted present-value terms) to the deficit this year, reflecting the long-term net cost of the more than $5 trillion in credit guarantees issued and loans held by those entities at the start of the fiscal year. In addition, the cost of Fannie Mae's and Freddie Mac's new credit activity in 2009 will total $38 billion, CBO estimates.

NY Times: 33 percent of "$2 trillion swing" from surplus to deficits attributed to Bush policies "like his tax cuts and the Medicare prescription drug benefit. A June 9, 2009, New York Times analysis reported that 33 percent of the "$2 trillion swing" from surpluses projected by the CBO in 2001 to deficits "stems from" legislation signed by Bush. The Times added: "That legislation, like his tax cuts and the Medicare prescription drug benefit, not only continue to cost the government but have also increased interest payments on the national debt."

Bush war spending cost $944 billion.  In a July 16 report titled "The Cost of Iraq, Afghanistan, and Other Global War on Terror Operations Since 9/11," the Congressional Research Service (CRS) stated, "Congress has approved a total of $1.086 trillion for military operations, base security, reconstruction, foreign aid, embassy costs, and veterans' health care for the three operations initiated since the 9/11 attacks: Operation Enduring Freedom (OEF) Afghanistan and other counter terror operations; Operation Noble Eagle (ONE), providing enhanced security at military bases; and Operation Iraqi Freedom (OIF)."

CRS also stated that most of the spending was passed through "emergency funding" or other mechanism, "which exempts these funds from the caps and budget rules that limit funding for discretionary spending, which fund all DOD and State Department programs and some but not all of VA programs."

Tax Policy Center: Bush tax cuts cost more than $1.7 trillion from 2001-10. In 2007, the Tax Policy Center estimated that between 2001-10, the Bush tax cuts decreased revenue to the government by more than $1.7 trillion -- and by $286 billion more when including a patch to cover the people who would otherwise be forced to pay the Alternative Minimum Tax because of the Bush tax cuts. In an August 27, 2009, blog post, Nobel Prize-winning economist Paul Krugman stated that when interest costs are factored in, "we're presumably talking about more than $2 trillion in debt" from the tax cuts.

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    • Author by shaggles (September 21, 2010 5:51 pm ET)
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      So Limpy doesn't understand how tax cuts work. Big suprise.
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      • Author by efialtis (September 22, 2010 10:46 am ET)
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        Um, it appears that Obama is the one who doesn't understand how TaxCuts work...
        http://www.theblaze.com/stories/its-their-money-chris-matthews-explains-taxes-to-obama/
        MSNBC and Chris Matthews had to explain it to him...
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    • Author by smarshall1432997 (September 21, 2010 7:35 pm ET)
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      Last night on C-Span, there was a debate for Governor in Alabama and it was delightful to watch. One of the things that caught my ear was when the Democrat Candidate stated how he made about $79,000 in '09 and paid over $11,000 in Taxes. The Democrat Candidate stated that the Republican Candidate made about $200,000 in '09 and paid over $4,000 in Taxes. Uh, oh. LOL.

      So, when Limbaugh stated, "You don't pay for tax cuts. Tax cuts generate wealth creation....", he's speaking for himself and those that make over $200,000 - LOL.
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      • Author by peebs755 (September 22, 2010 10:51 am ET)
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        It's "Democratic" candidate, NOT "Democrat" candidate. Jeez, when will this stupid democrat thing go away.
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        • Author by smarshall1432997 (September 22, 2010 3:43 pm ET)
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          My bad, LOL. Thanks. "Vote" Democratic Party November 2, 2010 ALL the way!!!
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    • Author by edlipton (September 21, 2010 11:42 pm ET)
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      Limbaugh: "Social Security is not paid for."
      So what were all those deductions from my paycheck labeled Social Security for?
      The snake oil he is selling doesn't take into account savings in health care costs generated by Medicare.
      All those guys know is: "I got mine now screw you!"
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    • Author by DellDolly (September 22, 2010 12:27 am ET)
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      Deficit spending by either side for unnecessary spending is bad.

      Deficit spending for economic recovery due to recessions is good.

      It's pretty simple, really!
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      • Author by ex-punk (September 22, 2010 1:30 am ET)
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        It's so simple I can't figure out why we are even having this conversation with these morons. Keynes Economics is pretty standard the world over these days. When the banks failed it set off a world wide recession but most coutries were quick to recover due to corrective actions. Not us. We have the stupid right wing media to gum up the works and the tea party is the end result.
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      • Author by MaineiacMan (September 22, 2010 8:37 am ET)
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        The Obama stimulus was LOADED with union pention fund bailouts and PORK PORK PORK. The dollars spent per job gained ration is off the charts and WAS NOT WORTH IT!

        Two Los Angeles city departments got $111 million and created 55 jobs.
        http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D9I9MO300.htm

        Deficit spending for economic recovery COULD make sense if it wasnt WASTED!
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        • Author by mikelartist (September 22, 2010 8:44 am ET)
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          try reading your own link. Only a fraction of the 111 million has been spent. Your math is suspect. the projects are ongoing and they expect hundreds more jobs to be created and continued over years.

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          • Author by MaineiacMan (September 22, 2010 12:57 pm ET)
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            Idiot. If you created 264 jobs (which is the projection) with $111 of stimulus money YOU JUST BLEW $111 OF TAX PAYER MONEY.

            You apparently either dont understand or dont care that your beloved Federal Government is spending $420,000 per job created?

            The best part? Those JOBS are going to continue to be dependent on more federal stimulus dollars again and again or they will disappear. You really dont see the problem because you refuse to open your eyes!

            This is one small example of what is grinding us into oblivion, an irresponsible, overbloated, inefficient government. Worship it all you want, at your own peril.
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            • Author by Another_Cat (September 22, 2010 3:52 pm ET)
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              Hmm...I read "936 jobs" out of "13 percent of what we've recieved"...sounds much different from $420,000 per job.

              You apparently either don't understand or don't care the the article you yourself cited contradicts your statement.

              The fact is, they expected to create 264 "government" jobs (administration, enforcement, legal, etc.), with a small portion of the $111 million; the rest is awarded to contractors winning bids for various projects (which is why the money was actually given to the state, to complete those projects, mostly infrastructure)

              Using your own logic, however, if 936 jobs were created from 13% of the funds, than 100% will create 7,200 jobs (albeit only at $15,000 each). I imagine it's probably a lot more like 4,000 jobs at about $15,000 each per contract (not per year, though a few may last as long as six months), with the remainder going to purchase materials for each project (further creating jobs, but I won't speculate how many).

              You said "You really don't see the problem..." and in that, you are right (but not because I refuse to open my eyes, it's because I get the math).
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              • Author by MaineiacMan (September 22, 2010 3:59 pm ET)
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                How does your "math" relate to the story?

                "Despite lingering unemployment, audits released by the Los Angeles city controller found that two departments that received $111 million in federal stimulus dollars have only created 55 jobs so far.
                The reports released by City Controller Wendy Greuel looked at how the Department of Transportation and Department of Public Works used millions in American Recovery and Reinvestment Act funds. The two departments received the largest amount of the $594 million in federal funding that was awarded to the city in March.

                Of that, the transportation department received $40.8 million and created or retained 9 jobs while public works received $70 million and created 45 jobs.

                Both agencies are expected to eventually create 264 jobs.
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                • Author by Another_Cat (September 22, 2010 4:02 pm ET)
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                  If you don't get it from my first post, I don't know that I can explain it any other way.
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              • Author by MaineiacMan (September 22, 2010 3:59 pm ET)
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                How does your "math" relate to the story?

                "Despite lingering unemployment, audits released by the Los Angeles city controller found that two departments that received $111 million in federal stimulus dollars have only created 55 jobs so far.
                The reports released by City Controller Wendy Greuel looked at how the Department of Transportation and Department of Public Works used millions in American Recovery and Reinvestment Act funds. The two departments received the largest amount of the $594 million in federal funding that was awarded to the city in March.

                Of that, the transportation department received $40.8 million and created or retained 9 jobs while public works received $70 million and created 45 jobs.

                Both agencies are expected to eventually create 264 jobs.
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            • Author by smarshall1432997 (September 22, 2010 3:59 pm ET)
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              Oh please, you are really the Idiot, LOL. Just because you feel as if OUR TAX PAYING MONEY should be spent the way you and your Republican Buddies would like to do does NOT mean you are correct either. Americans trust how the Democratic Party led by President Obama would SPEND our TAX PAYING MONEY way more than ANY Republican - period. And Republican Politicians know this, LOL.

              Republicans had EIGHT YEARS of spending America's Tax Money and ALL we got were 2 Wars, High Unemployment, Major Recession, Stock Market Crash, and Republicans mad as heck voting "NO" on major legislatures to fix their mess. Your Repubs ran and you got played. Hmmm. LOL.
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              • Author by MaineiacMan (September 22, 2010 4:02 pm ET)
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                Oh I see. You like spending $420,000 of tax payer money to create a job? You are so enlightened! Just print more! There certainly wouldnt be any consequences to that! I have a better idea. Instead of using that money to inefficiently create jobs. They ought to just give it to people. No work required!

                WOW
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                • Author by Another_Cat (September 22, 2010 4:12 pm ET)
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                  If you truly believe that they are using 420K to create one job, I would like to be your real-estate agent. According to your payment schedule, if you buy a house that I show you for $500,000 dollars, I get a half-million for my trouble and you get nothing. Seriously you believe this? The 500K would actually buy you:

                  Real-estate agent's time and talent
                  Materials to build the home
                  Land to build the home upon
                  Contractor's and sub-contractor's labor
                  Equipment purchase, rental, and maintanence
                  Legal fees
                  Inspection fees


                  The same is true for your 420K example, it buys:

                  One government worker
                  Materials to complete some infrastructure project
                  Contractor's labor (the second bulk of where that money actually goes...bunch of jobs, what a concept!)
                  Legal fees
                  Inspections
                  Overhead for the government and contractors company

                  Get it now?
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                • Author by smarshall1432997 (September 22, 2010 4:18 pm ET)
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                  Did you read the word "EXPECTED" in the Article above and know the meaning of that word? Why try to debate what MAY happen in the future, instead of debating what HAS happen in the past? You know, the past have FACTS and the future have NONE due to UNCERNTAINTY. Oh, that's right you Republicans like to play the game of 'distraction', LOL.
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                  • Author by MaineiacMan (September 23, 2010 8:04 am ET)
                       
                    Yes, you dip. Do the math $111 million dollars for an EXPECTED 264 jobs = $420,000 PER JOB! A BOGUS WASTE.
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      • Author by southerngal (September 22, 2010 11:34 am ET)
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        Dolly now > "Deficit spending by either side for unnecessary spending is bad."


        Dolly last week > "And nope, we don't need a small, lean, efficient gov't to have a booming economy. That's another falsehood from you. We've had many times of economic growth when our budget was bloated with unnecessary spending"

        LOL!

        DellDolly hypocritical pretzel twisted contradiction; Party of 1. Your table is ready.
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        • Author by DellDolly (September 22, 2010 12:21 pm ET)
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          You're a known liar and a paid troll.

          I've already debunked this multiple times, but here goes again for anyone who might not have read it before.

          YOU are the one who said that in order to have a succesful economy, we had to have a small, lean, efficient gov't.

          And we don't. I never said that it wasn't preferable. I REFUTED your assertion that we couldn't have a successful economy without it. There have been multiple occasions in our society when we have NOT had a lean gov't but have had a great economy!

          There's NO pretzel logic on display.

          But there is the distasteful personal animus from a disgruntled paid troll who has lost all of his credibility on display! There is dishonest cropping of my comments, both from last week and from last night, to take them out of context to distort their meaning. There is disingenuousness on display too with the failure to acknowledge that this false meme has already been debunked multiple times.

          You're pretty disgusting all around. I hope that your bosses catch this posting by you. You might get the "how far over the edge can I go" award for this week!
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          • Author by southerngal (September 22, 2010 12:58 pm ET)
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            What a horrible pathetic attempt to defend your contradiction.

            You are getting more testy and desperate every day LuLu, this is really bad.
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          • Author by MaineiacMan (September 22, 2010 12:59 pm ET)
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            Twisted hypocracy on display at its finest. That is the part I enjoy most about MM!
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            • Author by southerngal (September 22, 2010 1:23 pm ET)
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              Yeah, the only way Dolly could have wiggled out of it would be to say the economic growth is bad, therefore unnecessary bloated spending is no big deal.

              She can't rescue herself from that gem above without saying that. Maybe she will.
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            • Author by smarshall1432997 (September 22, 2010 4:09 pm ET)
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              MaineiacMan and Right On, "stop" using the Republican Math on Democratic Solutions. Republican Math "failed" for EIGHT years and now you guys want to use it on Democratic Solutions in fixing the problems left by your own Republicans? Republican Math does NOT work for Middle and Lower Classes, just the Upper Class, LOL. Umph, umph, umph. Hmmm.
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              • Author by MaineiacMan (September 23, 2010 8:06 am ET)
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                Republican math sucks too.....so lets try this. We dont bailout unions, we dont bailout car companies, we dont bailout states, we dont bailout Wall Street, we dont fund idiot programs in other countries. That's CONSERVATIVE MATH.
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                • Author by Johaely (September 23, 2010 9:04 am ET)
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                  But we do regulate the market so that trusts and "too-big-to-fail" companies don't exist right? If we don't that "Conservative" math will lead to another depression.
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                  • Author by MaineiacMan (September 23, 2010 11:36 am ET)
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                    Jo, What is better? Bigger government controlling more, doing more and taxing more or a smaller government controlling less, doing less and taxing less?

                    In a capitalist country, if a company fails, they file bankruptcy, assets are sold and yes there are people who will lose thier jobs. THEN it opens up opportunities for others to start new jobs.

                    Jo, when the government meddles with capitalism, it politicises it and weakens it. When they bailout a failing company, they set up the precident for future bailouts of the same company and others in a similar situation.

                    Point is that if the government would stay out of it, the "recession" would come and then go in a MUCH shorter timespan. As it is now, we are looking at 9% unemployment as a new normal.

                    In my opinion, if the government wants to use tax payers money to "stimulate" the economy, do it on something that SHOULD be a function of government, such as BUILD/FIX A HIGHWAY. Stop using those funds to bailout unions, businesses, schools, states, etc, etc.
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                    • Author by Johaely (September 23, 2010 2:18 pm ET)
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                      I really don't care about size. If its government is working correctly and respecting people's rights is good enough for me.

                      We can not allow unrestrained capitalism and little regulation. The government sets a precedent for more bailouts if it doesn't change the conditions that led to the first bailout (deregulation, impunity over companies exporting jobs while using the country as a base for their bussines, Impunity to people responsible for the crisis, letting companies and private interests decide the course of action in government).
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        • Author by Another_Cat (September 22, 2010 3:59 pm ET)
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          I don't see the contradiction.

          Deficit spending is bad and you can grow the economy with a bloated budget. The former is (generally agreed with) opinion, the latter a fact; both are not mutually exclusive.

          To see this as hypocrisy or a contradiction takes some serious perceptual pretzel twisting (not to mention what I assume to be to different responses to two different questions; hypocrisy is two different answers to the same question by the same entity).
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          • Author by southerngal (September 22, 2010 4:03 pm ET)
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            Then why not just bloat our budget all over the map with an endless stream on unnecessary spending?
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            • Author by smarshall1432997 (September 22, 2010 4:23 pm ET)
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              Right-on, are you voting for ANY of the Republicans who voted Yes for Bush's Tax Cuts? If so, then you are lost with Republican Math, LOL.
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              • Author by southerngal (September 22, 2010 4:27 pm ET)
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                Not sure yet, are you voting for these Democrats?
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                • Author by smarshall1432997 (September 22, 2010 4:55 pm ET)
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                  "YEAP", every Vote we make will be for the Democratic Party - LOL.

                  People in my area have turned FoxNews OFF, and are ashame of how Republicans voted "NO" and held photo ops with Citizens holding up big checks for Projects provided from the Stimulus. So, yeap voting straight for Democratic Party, LOL.
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    • Author by mikelartist (September 22, 2010 6:51 am ET)
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      KILMEADE: The bridges and what have you.

      Um... kilroy..... Those bridges to nowhere? Those were Alaska Republican boondoggles. Those were also during the GOP control of the congress.

      Facts tend to shatter right wing delusions.
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      • Author by stullivan (September 22, 2010 9:42 am ET)
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        And also:

        KILMEADE: But let's get this straight. If you truly want to be a tea partier, you'll cut veterans benefits, you'll cut unemployment benefits, you'll cut Social Security, and you'll cut Medicare.
        and by judging from the typically attendance at a TBagger rally you'll be cutting your own throat.

        DOOCY: Right. He wanted specifics. "Tea party people, what do you want to cut?"
        and the Tbaggers response to specifics will be .............. either silence because they don't have an answer or a word salad of palin/o'donnellisms that would probably be even more misinformed and harmful than not having any answers.
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    • Author by efialtis (September 22, 2010 10:43 am ET)
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      Kind of like when Bush's Bail-Outs were declared BAD by the Democrats?
      Kind of like when Bush's Stimulus was declared BAD by the Democrats?
      Kind of like when Bush's TaxCuts were declared BAD by the Democrats?

      Just a special note here, Obama though these things were so BAD that he has continued these programs and policies (they are talking about extending the TaxCuts, but Pelosi renamed them to "Obama's TaxCuts"...
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      • Author by fantagor (September 22, 2010 4:37 pm ET)
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        There was no Stimulus passed under Bush. That was under Obama.

        And both parties voted en mass for TARP. Democrats have not demonized them one scintilla as much as the very forgetful noisemakers and operatives of the GOP. Also note that most of the TARP money has been recouped, paid back by the those who received it.

        And the Obama Tax Cuts do not include tax breaks for the rich. That was the Bush Tax Cuts. So, no, Obama didn't just co-opt them, he and Congressional Democrats CHANGED them.

        I would suggest one more change, though: adding a 50% tax bracket for income over 1 million dollars to 10 million, and a 75% bracket for income over 10 million. It's still lower than the highest bracket under Eisenhower, and applied a much more forgiving level (under Eisenhower, it was 91% over 300,000; scaled to 2010, that would be about 2.5 million, not 10 million).

        Randy
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    • Author by hurricaneyankee52983 (September 22, 2010 12:20 pm ET)
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      I'dlike to know what school of economics you graduated from RUSH.
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      • Author by smarshall1432997 (September 22, 2010 4:58 pm ET)
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        Glenn Beck's School of Economic Non-Sense where Rush received Honors in Republican Math, LOL.
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    • Author by NiceguyEddie (September 22, 2010 12:24 pm ET)
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      "The whole notion of paying for tax cuts has always offended me, as though government is first, last, and always, and whatever happens -- they are the single greatest repository of greed in the world, Washington, DC, including even all the tyrannical dictators around the world. [...] "You don't pay for tax cuts. Tax cuts generate wealth creation."

      Limbuagh logic:

      A guy who makes $35 Million a year who wants a tax cut to help him generate some wealth for himself is principled.

      Buy the government collecting taxes so that the Government can provdei basic services, defend the country and created some semblance of a social safety net for the other 99.9% of the country... That's 'tyrannical greed.'

      Glad we got that straitened out.

      BTW... the highest poid Goverment Employee is, I assume, the Presdient. He make $400K per year. Which, BTW, would represent a 98.8% pay cut for Limbaugh. (But remember: It's the GOVERNMENT who's greedy!)

      Who else gets paid thorugh taxes? Teachers, Police, the Military, Firefighters... Glad to know this guy who sits on his @$$ and blathers for a living feels these people, who make closer to $50K per year, (which would be a 99.9% pay cut for Rush) are "greedy."

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      What a scumbag.
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    • Author by hitchikerforajax (September 22, 2010 4:26 pm ET)
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      Carlson's big word of the day: disingenuous, big word, doesn't have a clue what it means. Pigman is a bigger idiot than I previously thought. How does he figure invading countries like Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam etc. etc. are funded. How does this troll waddle on sidewalks, drink clean water, have his chauffeur drive him on paved streets. This takes tax money genius. When his conservative listeners take this clowns slop on a daily basis, that's one reason the misinformed vote for tea par tiers, G.O.P. candidates & Fox disciples. That is truly bizarre & SCARY. Is this really better, to have democracy when there are so many uneducated zombies who fall for this crap.
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