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November 30, 2010 11:05 pm ET — 164 Comments

Glenn Beck falsely suggested that "tax dollars" were being used to pay for a Smithsonian art exhibit that included an image of what Beck described as "Jesus with ants on him." In fact, donations from companies, foundations, and individuals paid for the exhibit, not tax dollars.

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Beck claims "tax dollars" funded Smithsonian exhibit

Beck: "And then you have the tax dollars funding this wonderful art display. It's Christmas at the Smithsonian." On his Fox News show, Beck said of the exhibit at the Smithsonian's National Portrait Gallery, which is titled "Hide/Seek: Difference and Desire in American Portraiture":

Perfect storm. Eroding values. Hard work, sacrifice, thrift, honor, truth, God. As a nation born out of faith in God, how's that going today, huh? Twenty-five percent of those under 30 years of age describe their religion as atheist, agnostic, or nothing in particular. Now, as you get older, it goes down. Thirty to 40 years old, only 19 percent. Ages 40 to 50, 15 percent. If you're over 60, less than 10 percent say that.

And then you have the tax dollars funding this wonderful art display. It's Christmas at the Smithsonian. Here's this wonderful -- oh, look, it's Jesus with ants on him. They describe it as the first major exhibition to focus on the sexual difference in the making of modern American portraiture.

What? You got to be kidding me, right? What does this have to do with the birth of the baby Jesus, and why is he now covered in ants? Whose values are these? And you wonder why there's the breakdown of the family. [Glenn Beck, 11/30/10]

FACT: The exhibit is privately funded

Smithsonian lists contributions from private individuals and institutions. The National Portrait Gallery website lists the companies, foundations, and individuals who contributed to the exhibit:

The exhibition has been made possible by The Calamus Foundation with the leadership contributions of Donald A. Capoccia and Tommie L. Pegues, and The Andy Warhol Foundation for the Visual Arts. Major support is provided by the John Burton Harter Charitable Trust, E*TRADE, Ella Foshay, Vornado/Charles E. Smith, the Wyeth Foundation for American Art, Catherine V. Dawson, Robby Browne and Madison Cumnock, The Durst Organization, Ashton Hawkins and Johnnie Moore, The Robert Mapplethorpe Foundation, Occasions Caterers, the David Schwartz Foundation, Frank J. Sciame, Jonathan Sheffer and Christopher Barley, and Jon Stryker. Additional significant support is provided by many generous friends of the National Portrait Gallery, including Tonio Burgos and Associates, Cambria Estate Winery, Lisa and Porter Dawson, Craig Kruger and Eric Michael, the Toby D. Lewis Philanthropic Fund, The Morrison & Foerster Foundation, Skidmore, Owings & Merrill, David von Storch, Alexander and Bonin, H. van Ameringen Foundation, Lisa Bodager and Rebecca Linder, the David Bohnett Foundation, Dan Critchett and Greg Slimko, Mr. and Mrs. James R. Doty, Charles C. Francis, Sidney Lawrence and Thomas Birch, Weston F. Milliken, Leo Mullen and Helene Patterson, the Jerome Robbins Foundation, James Sharp Brodsky and Philip E. McCarthy II, William Sofield, Peter and Barbara Thompson, Paul Travis & Mark Fichandler, Paul Washington and Stan Sagner, and Diane Wondisford. [National Portrait Gallery website]

Wash. Post: Smithsonian "receives public funds" but "does not use that money for exhibitions." The Washington Post reported:

The exhibition, which opened Oct. 30, was funded by the largest number of individual donors for a Portrait Gallery show. The show, which cost $750,000, was also underwritten by foundations that support gay and lesbian issues.

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As part of the Smithsonian, the gallery receives public funds. Overall, the Smithsonian gets about 70 percent of its annual budget from the federal government, but it does not use that money for exhibitions. [The Washington Post, 11/30/10]

CNSNews: Smithsonian says "federal funds are not used to pay for Smithsonian exhibits themselves." The conservative CNS News website reported:

The Smithsonian Institution has an annual budget of $761 million, 65 percent of which comes from the federal government, according to Linda St. Thomas, the Smithsonian's chief spokesperson. The National Portrait Gallery itself received $5.8 million in federal funding in fiscal year 2010, according to St. Thomas. It also received $5.8 million in federal funding in fiscal 2009, according to the museum's annual report. The gallery's overall funding in that year was $8 million.

St. Thomas told CNSNews.com that federal funds are not used to pay for Smithsonian exhibits themselves, including the "Hide/Seek" exhibit. The federal funds received by the Smithsonian, she said, pay for the buildings, the care of collections exhibited at Smithsonian venues, and museum staff, including the salaries for curators of exhibits. The exhibits presented at Smithsonian museums, including "Hide/Seek," are funded by donations from individuals or institutions. [CNSNews.com, 11/29/10]

Beck previously suggested that he could not "just make things up and remain on the air"

Beck: "[D]o you really believe that I could ... just make things up and remain on the air?" On his Fox News show, Beck said:

What is it that we make up? I would ask you to just take a moment here -- do you really believe that I could -- or anybody here at Fox News could -- just make things up and remain on the air? No. [Glenn Beck, 11/29/10]

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    • Author by tvaspen (December 01, 2010 12:13 am ET)
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      You've got a pretty odd and puritanical definition of profanity Mr. Scrutinizer.


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    • Author by tvaspen (December 01, 2010 12:21 am ET)
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      Beck's just a big doo doo head, and I'm rather incensed with him.

      (Scoured, politically correct version of my censored post)










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      • Author by eweston8542983 (December 01, 2010 12:51 am ET)
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        The obscenity filter is occasionally a trial for all of us. At one point the word rasberry tripped it off on me.
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        • Author by IRONY 101 (December 01, 2010 9:21 am ET)
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          It won't let me say "pi$$ant"...
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        • Author by MidAmericaConstitutionalConservative (December 02, 2010 7:10 pm ET)
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          Nothing like freedom of speech, eh, people!

          As all progressives know, words hurt. They hurt really, really, REALLY bad.

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    • Author by magnolialover (December 01, 2010 12:24 am ET)
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      Here is the other thing.

      They are making sound as if the ENTIRE gallery is going to contain just this exhibit, which of course, is not true. I think they WANT people to think it will only contain this one particular exhibit, but anyone who has ever been there knows this.

      It's a big place, with LOTS of exhibits. One could go there and not even SEE this particular exhibit, and could also just AVOID this exhibit if they wanted to.

      What breakdown of the family is he talking about? Did the divorce rate skyrocket past what it already is when we weren't watching?

      You know what tax dollars were spent on MR. Beck? Your rally that not too many people attended, or cared about, and yet, we, the taxpayers, paid for it, or part of it.

      I'm sure that this will turn out to be another attack on the NEA going forward as well.
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      • Author by mrhebert74 (December 01, 2010 3:09 am ET)
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        What breakdown of the family is he talking about? Did the divorce rate skyrocket past what it already is when we weren't watching?

        Yes, mag, the divorce rate has skyrocketed. And do you know why? Because painters depict Jesus covered with ants. Duh!
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        • Author by historygeek001 (December 01, 2010 12:20 pm ET)
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          Oh, wow, I was completely wrong. I thought it was George Soros and Woodrow Wilson who caused all the divorces.
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          • Author by MiniTru (December 01, 2010 2:18 pm ET)
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            Probably Woodrow Wilson, who is now actually covered with ants, more than Soros.
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      • Author by wookie (December 01, 2010 10:40 am ET)
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        Its the usual Culture War sideshow. What do atheists in general have to do with an exhibit he doesn't like? Not that it matters since it is privately funded. And even by his numbers the overwhelming majority of those broken families are wholesome traditional Bible thumpers.
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    • Author by Johaely (December 01, 2010 1:06 am ET)
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      I for one i'm getting tired of this bullcrap about erosion of the family. It's all obviously phony and another display of the famous family values conservatives display of personal responsability and infantile fear of new things.

      Although the "traditional" nuclear family is becoming less prominent its not fault of things like gay marriage, popular culture or multiculturalism (if anything the latter may lead to an increase in prominence of the extended family).
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      • Author by soze169880 (December 01, 2010 8:31 am ET)
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        You know what contributes to the erosion of Teh Family, Beck? Running out on your first wife and disabled child.
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      • Author by cfamick (December 01, 2010 8:42 am ET)
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        When someone promotes better working conditions, wages, and benefits for the bottom 98%, a healthy welfare system, and public education, I consider them pro-family values. When they actively rally against these basic support systems for families, they're anti-family.
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        • Author by nevernot (December 02, 2010 1:40 pm ET)
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          When we are no longer talking about "the bottom 98%" I'll consider them pro-family values. This division between the top 2% and the rest of us is doing more to destroy family life than anything else on the horizon.
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    • Author by IRONY 101 (December 01, 2010 7:18 am ET)
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      What...George Soros didn't finance the exhibit?
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    • Author by bodhi057 (December 01, 2010 8:16 am ET)
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      I guess Beck doesn't realize that the number of Atheists decreases with each older age group due to their approaching expiration date, not because people used to be more religious. Reminds me of the argument that sexual promiscuity increased because they took prayer out of schools without considering that the invention of the birth control pill might be a better explanation.
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    • Author by NiceguyEddie (December 01, 2010 8:17 am ET)
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      How can you even THINK you're right when you have to lie THIS MUCH?

      Has can ANYONE think a guy is right who has to lie THIS MUCH?!

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      We're living in an Idiocracy
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    • Author by David2012 (December 01, 2010 8:38 am ET)
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      Faux outrage, complete with swooning, calls for smelling salts, and pearl clutching is the point here.

      What they seek is the power to compel an apology from somebody. And liberals, being reasonable people, will probably comply. It's all about power, and debasement.

      My own reaction would be to tell them to perform an anatomically impossible act on themselves.
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      • Author by cfamick (December 01, 2010 8:39 am ET)
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        Authoritarianism.

        Your suggestion reaction has become my reaction to just about everything nowadays.
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    • Author by cfamick (December 01, 2010 8:38 am ET)
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      Generic pablum suitably dumbed down for the masses: whose values are those?
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    • Author by coldteablues19577325 (December 01, 2010 9:44 am ET)
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      Wonder if they were Texas fire ants?
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    • Author by cst (December 01, 2010 9:54 am ET)
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      I'm pretty sure there is a horde of attacking ants in the Bible.
      I know, because Charlton Heston was in the film version.
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    • Author by David2012 (December 01, 2010 10:04 am ET)
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      I think I would have just put a period after "up".
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    • Author by curiousindependent (December 01, 2010 10:39 am ET)
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      Glenn please. On any OTHER network, you are right, you would be fired for making things up. FOX, however, takes a little bit different tack:

      http://www.organicconsumers.org/rbgh/akrewins.cfm
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    • Author by pete592 (December 01, 2010 11:13 am ET)
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      Yesterday I commented on the following quote from a Cato hack that was found in Penny Star's CNS article and I had another thought on this:

      "Think about the Washington Post," [Chris Edwards, director of tax policy studies at the Cato Institute] said. "They don't have to publish every op-ed that they get, right? They own the platform. In this case [the Smithsonian Institution], the taxpayers own the platform and so the taxpayers should decide what is presented on that platform."


      So what about Beck's rallies on the mall in D.C???

      The taxpayers own the platform, shouldn't the taxpayers get to decide what is presented on that platform?
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    • Author by FlippinUid (December 01, 2010 11:19 am ET)
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      Once you are insane, you don't make anything up, so technically Beck is correct for once in his life.
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    • Author by southerngal (December 01, 2010 12:11 pm ET)
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      "And you wonder why there's the breakdown of the family"

      Mr. Beck, What causes divisions and breakdowns in my family are lies and making stuff up in order to pit one against the other. When fairness, integrity and truth is replaced with a disrespect for doing the right thing, pushing untruths and creating a rift and tension among family members for no good reason except to get some leverage or inflict damage on another family member.

      That is what breaks down families.
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    • Author by edgy (December 01, 2010 12:54 pm ET)
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      Of course, if Soros HAD contributed any to this then we would have heard NOTHING about government money but everything about how Soros and his atheistic Jew buddies had funded it as revenge for the Holocaust or as a way to show how the New World Order would treat religion or how Jesus once said "Blessed are the Cheese makers" or whatever nonsense that he can make up. What really bothers me is how there are fools out there that listen to him and believe him and most of them stay away from this or any other site like it because they've been told that it's the devil and they make up stuff about Beck and O'Reilly and Hannity and Limbaugh and Coulter and .....
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      • Author by Jollymon (December 01, 2010 2:56 pm ET)
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        What do you mean people who listen to and believe Beck are fools?

        Let me tell you, I have been on this 6,000 year-old flat earth in the center of this universe long enough to know when I leave my bomb shelter filled with gold and seeds to hunt my own food, there is a chance the government black helicopters could grab me and my family and make me a slave to the socialist, communist, facist, racist black President. Then where would I be? Beckie is the only sane voice of reason in this world.

        Now excuse me while I sit in my own excrement and fix my aluminum foil hat to get better reception for His show.

        No one is going to steal my purity of essence!
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    • Author by guynamedjoe (December 01, 2010 12:59 pm ET)
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      Oh for crying out loud... Tax dollars don't pay for the exhibit, just the building this exhibit is in, so that makes it all right.
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      • Author by mikehuck1976 (December 02, 2010 12:41 am ET)
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        That was not even satire was it, joe? Very, very sad.

        So, taxpayers funded Beck's "thousand moron march" and you were OK with that? Try keeping your faux outrage straight.
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    • Author by Jollymon (December 01, 2010 2:48 pm ET)
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      "Twenty-five percent of those under 30 years of age describe their religion as atheist, agnostic, or nothing in particular."

      Sweet! Now if we could just get the number up to 100% the future of this planet will improve dramatically.

      Praise the Flying Spaghetti Monster and Magic Sandwhich so they will make it happen!

      One Nation, INDIVISIBLE...with nothing in between those words like it originally was writen.
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      • Author by southerngal (December 01, 2010 2:54 pm ET)
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        Wow, that whole faith and religion monster has you really spooked doesn't it?

        Boo! God is watching you...
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        • Author by Jollymon (December 01, 2010 3:02 pm ET)
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          Boo! Nothing is watching me. Still believe in Santa right ON? ;-)
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          • Author by proudblackman (December 01, 2010 3:11 pm ET)
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            Another example of MM distorting the record.
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            • Author by Jollymon (December 01, 2010 3:26 pm ET)
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              What record would that be?
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              • Author by proudblackman (December 01, 2010 3:28 pm ET)
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                The public record. D.A.
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                • Author by Jollymon (December 01, 2010 3:31 pm ET)
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                  Ummmm, what public record? Going to be specific or is this going to waste both of our time?
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                  • Author by proudblackman (December 01, 2010 3:38 pm ET)
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                    Jollymon: What public record you ask? Uh, the thread is about Beck and what he said on his program. I know that most of you on this site can't think for themselves, but you really take the cake, regarding ignorence. You must be a product of public education.
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                    • Author by Jollymon (December 01, 2010 3:46 pm ET)
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                      Thanks for proving my point about the Right being against education. Start out with the name-calling and you don't have much credibility to respond to. Enjoy all that anger you have.

                      And its spelled "ignorance" just so you know. Well played. Well played.
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                      • Author by proudblackman (December 02, 2010 11:57 am ET)
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                        So, supporting school vouchers is being against education? Being against a failed government department is being against education? Holding educators accountable is being against education? Please explain yourself, chief. By the way, what name calling are you referring to?
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                    • Author by Jollymon (December 01, 2010 3:50 pm ET)
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                      Oh, and while I'm at it, I will just correct one other gramatical error on your part.

                      When you say, "I know that most of you on this site can't think for themseleves," It should be "yourselves."

                      Again, I couldn't have made up a better response to make fun of than the one you provided me with. Thanks for proving my point. You are priceless!

                      Hugs and kisses!
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                      • Author by mescal (December 02, 2010 1:46 am ET)
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                        See? That wasn't a waste of your time, Jollymom. Proud has an undeniable entertainment factor going for him.
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                    • Author by mikehuck1976 (December 02, 2010 12:43 am ET)
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                      I especially like it that the guys trying to claim others are "ignorent" and that their education was faulty was on this site yesterday explaining to us all that his college professors all had to get teaching degrees. Get out of your mom's basement, proud! You're raised already. It's time to encounter the real world.
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                      • Author by proudblackman (December 02, 2010 11:48 am ET)
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                        mikehuck: Can you point to the post where I said ALL college prof. etc? Seems to me you are trying to put words in my mouth. Lets see, I will play the same game with you. You are under the impression that NO COLLEGE PROGESSORS HAVE DEGREES. Boy, you really must be ignorant to believe that.
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                        • Author by mikehuck1976 (December 02, 2010 2:26 pm ET)
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                          "Because MOST of them (professors) have worked in the real world before becoming professors, and MANY continue to work in the real world even after becoming professors. You would know this if you had ever went to college." - raddave

                          "They have? Do tell. So, they spend all that time getting a teaching degree that they then use to get a job not teaching? Sounds a mite fishy to me." - proud

                          Perhaps there is another explanation for the statement above? I would LOVE to hear it. I think we all would love to hear it. What is it you think teaching degrees have to do with college professors?
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                          • Author by MiddleLeft (December 02, 2010 2:57 pm ET)
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                            "Because MOST of them (professors) have worked in the real world before becoming professors, and MANY continue to work in the real world even after becoming professors. You would know this if you had ever went to college." - raddave

                            Most of my professors had jobs in the real world while they were earning their degrees. Many of them also went through the revolving doors between universities and industry. Starting at the university then going to industry and coming back later. Damn near all of them earn additional income consulting in the real world while still employed as faculty.

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                          • Author by proudblackman (December 02, 2010 4:36 pm ET)
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                            Yeah there is. raddave made a statement regarding professors working in the real world before joining academia. I challenge that statement. Most, if not all professors I have known have never owned a business, never employed anyone, fought in any wars, etc. There are exceptions, but the exceptions are not the rule. Most teachers enter the profession with the intent of being teachers. All professors I know have obtaing teaching credentials.
                            Now, whats your problem?
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                            • Author by Old_Benjamin (December 02, 2010 5:02 pm ET)
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                              Now, whats your problem?


                              Can't answer for anyone else, but my problem is that you don't know the difference between teachers and professors nor apparently the difference between a teaching degree and the credentials required to be come a professor.
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                              • Author by mikehuck1976 (December 02, 2010 5:37 pm ET)
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                                Is it possible that proudblackman is so disconnected from reality that he does not see that? Or is he just playing like he is really this ignorant?
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                                • Author by Old_Benjamin (December 02, 2010 5:42 pm ET)
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                                  I would venture that he is really that confused. I mean after all his complaining about his ignorance being the fault of a liberal education, he says he won't upgrade his education because he's comfortable in who he is.
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                                  • Author by mikehuck1976 (December 02, 2010 7:16 pm ET)
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                                    Nothing to be proud of there, that's for sure.
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                                  • Author by proudblackman (December 03, 2010 12:10 pm ET)
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                                    One: you are the ones confused. Two: I do not believe myself to be ignorant. Three: Spelling and grammer is not as relevent to me as it seems to be to you. Four: I am comfortable with who I am. Five: You can't win the intellectual argument, so you switch up and go with the personal attacks, which you can't win, either. Six: Because you can't win the intellectual argument, and the personal arguments are irrelivent, I submit that a good case can be made that you are a loser, plain and simple.
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                              • Author by proudblackman (December 02, 2010 7:51 pm ET)
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                                Most professors have both, or are you not aware of this?
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                                • Author by coldteablues19577325 (December 03, 2010 11:13 am ET)
                                     
                                  "Most professors have both, or are you not aware of this?" --proudblackman

                                  It's been a while since I earned a Master Degree in Botany, and at that time, I had 2 choices. I could go the thesis route which would allow me to enter the workforce as a college professor. However, if I wanted to teach K-12 I would have had to go extra time in order to pick up a teaching certificate. I opted for the thesis route as I was not interested in teaching K-12.

                                  As for MOST professors coming from the workforce to teaching, I'm not so sure of that. Most of my professor friends have done nothing but teach since earning their degrees.

                                  Not having 'outside' or real life work experience doesn't make them any better or any worse when it comes to teaching. All it does is surprise the heck out of them when they do join the outside workforce and see just how 'easy' they had it with summers off and short work days. I'm not saying that their jobs are any easier than mine. I'm not sure I would like to have tons of papers to read and grade, art projects to grade, etc.

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                • Author by proudblackman (December 01, 2010 3:33 pm ET)
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                  Look at what is posted. Beck says one sentence, MM writes a thousand words about that one sentence that doesn't confirm what the headline says. Even the first sentence of MM scred should tip any intellect thinking person off. Headline is that Beck made things up, while the first sentence says he suggested something. I say MM is just a distortion machine playing to a progressive audience, that doesn't have the brains to do their own research. Instead, they rely on others to form their own opinions. I say, watch Beck, than form your OWN conclusions.
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                  • Author by Jollymon (December 01, 2010 3:44 pm ET)
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                    Wow. Angry much? Yes, MM goes over the top on things quite often. That is the problem in this hyper-partisan political society. Every side is right, the other is wrong and they both go out of their way to prove it. And where is it getting us? Further apart instead of becoming Indivisible. (like how I tied it back to my original post?)

                    Sure the headline and subject of the story don't quite match up. Everyone is so used to Beck spewing out lies, misinformation or heavily distorted "facts" it makes it so much easier for MM to jump on anything the guy says.

                    So I like to just sit here in the middle and watch the insanity and make smart-aleck comments about it when Im in the mood. If I couldn't laugh at how outrageous the extremes get in this country, I would cry. The 15% of the Left and 15% of the Right run this place, and its annoying when most of us don't fit into either demographic.

                    Getting rid of the invisible sky-fairy would be a good start to the healing IMHO. And it starts with good education, something the Right sure seems against. Gee, I wonder why?
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                    • Author by proudblackman (December 01, 2010 5:37 pm ET)
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                      Re: Education. Funny but seems to me it is conservatives that support school choice and voucher's. Liberals don't. So, exactly how did you come up with the statement that the right is against good education. It is the left that wants to keep people in failing schools, not the right.
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                      • Author by Jollymon (December 01, 2010 5:46 pm ET)
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                        Well, that edumacation seems to be working well for you and "themselves" or is my "ignorence" too great to understand the Right wants to do away with the Department of Education, and pundits like Beck want grandma and grandpa to "home school" kids with their antiquated ideas of morality and religion?

                        The Right would rather a child open up a Bible than a science book. And you say they support education? Don't make me laugh again. Or just reply so I can laugh again. Your choice. Ooops, I'm sure you think it should be "you're" choice.

                        And just so you know, I think schools need a lot of work, both sides are failing there. But I fear the Right having more say in education than the left. You do know what is going on in Texas by fundamentalist Conservatives? Re-writing text books and implementing religious teaching (creationism) in the classroom. THAT is scary. And it is not the Left's doing.
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                        • Author by proudblackman (December 01, 2010 7:17 pm ET)
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                          The right wants to get rid of a federal program that has failed in its mandate. You on the left want to support this failed program. The right has no problem with science. The left does have a problem with religion. And how are they rewriting the text books? All texas is doing is making sure the textbooks they use have the information that they in texas deems to be needed in order for there citizens to be educated. No one is forcing any other state to use texas's standards. By the way, you really should not be stereotyping people or groups.
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                          • Author by Jollymon (December 01, 2010 7:57 pm ET)
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                            "By the way, you really should not be stereotyping people or groups."

                            MM is just a distortion machine playing to a progressive audience, that doesn't have the brains to do their own research. Instead, they rely on others to form their own opinions.

                            Pot, meet Kettle.

                            Are you done embarassing youself yet?
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                            • Author by project21reps (December 01, 2010 10:03 pm ET)
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                              Excuse me, but my statement is not stereotyping anyone, it is an opinion regarding who MM caters to. So far I have not seen any MM supporters who get there information directly from the source. Rather, you all seem to rely solely on the information provided by this site. You all seem interested in Beck, OReilly, Fox News, Rush, etc, but only in the context of what is feed you by MM. There does not seem to be anyone, really, who has an original thought about what it is your discussing. You all seem to function under some kind of group think, that makes it ok to believe some blog, rather than listening to what Beck, etal say and then forming your own conclusions.
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                            • Author by mescal (December 02, 2010 1:49 am ET)
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                              Not hardly.
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                          • Author by Jollymon (December 01, 2010 8:33 pm ET)
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                            And just FYI, I'm not on the left. I'm dead center. But you were so quick to judge and label, as are all ignorent, I mean ignorant people.
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                            • Author by proudblackman (December 02, 2010 12:37 pm ET)
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                              FYI: Your posts do not reflect you being dead center. Maybe compared to those you hang with, you could be considered that, but your ravings are most certainly far left of center.
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                              • Author by Johaely (December 02, 2010 1:58 pm ET)
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                                Let me guess. YOU are a representation of the center right?
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                                • Author by proudblackman (December 02, 2010 2:29 pm ET)
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                                  I represent no one but myself. I am involved in an organization that does promote conservative values in my community. http://project21.org/
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                          • Author by mikehuck1976 (December 02, 2010 12:49 am ET)
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                            "All texas is doing is making sure the textbooks they use have the information that they in texas deems to be needed in order for there citizens to be educated." - proud

                            Wow. Just....WOW. is this satire? Are you sure you really want to be the mouthpiece on this topic for the right? Do you see any of your errors in the above post? Anything? Anything at all?

                            This is what happens when someone thinks they went to a college taught only by professors that had teaching degrees. That was grade school, proud, not college.
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                            • Author by proudblackman (December 02, 2010 11:39 am ET)
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                              So, you seem to believe that every school district must toe the texas line in regards to the textbooks being used? Sorry, but that is not true. Just because most states use the texas standard does not mean texas has to conform with the rest of the nation standards. So, with that said, please explain where you feel I am wrong. By the way, I never said ALL college professors had teaching credentials. Most do, though, don't they?
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                              • Author by Old_Benjamin (December 02, 2010 12:07 pm ET)
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                                Just because most states use the texas standard does not mean texas has to conform with the rest of the nation standards.


                                You really are the gift that keeps on giving.
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                                • Author by proudblackman (December 02, 2010 12:39 pm ET)
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                                  So, you believe that Texas has to conform to the standards of other states? Do tell.
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                                  • Author by Old_Benjamin (December 02, 2010 12:51 pm ET)
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                                    No one is forcing any other state to use texas's standards.


                                    Followed by...

                                    So, you believe that Texas has to conform to the standards of other states? Do tell.


                                    I would attempt to "tell", but you don't even know what point your making.
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                                    • Author by proudblackman (December 02, 2010 1:30 pm ET)
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                                      My point is that your posts lack a point of view. Rather it just critizied my posts without saying why you feel I was wrong.
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                              • Author by mikehuck1976 (December 02, 2010 2:33 pm ET)
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                                "All texas is doing is making sure the textbooks they use have the information that they in texas deems to be needed in order for there citizens to be educated." - proud


                                You really don't see any reason why someone criticizing the education of others may want to take another look at this post? Anything? Give it another read and see if anything pops out at you.

                                "By the way, I never said ALL college professors had teaching credentials. Most do, though, don't they?" - proud

                                I think you are confusing teaching degree with Phd. Or, perhaps you are just confused in general.
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                  • Author by Old_Benjamin (December 01, 2010 4:01 pm ET)
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                    Headline is that Beck made things up, while the first sentence says he suggested something.


                    So a false suggestion can't be a made up thing?

                    And the quote from beck is...

                    And then you have the tax dollars funding this wonderful art display.


                    That would be untrue. Or... if you prefer... made up.
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                    • Author by Jollymon (December 01, 2010 4:12 pm ET)
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                      He can't respond. Hard to say anything when he inserted foot into mouth already.
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                    • Author by proudblackman (December 01, 2010 5:40 pm ET)
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                      No, its called splitting hairs, something this site is good at. By the way, anything happening at any government site, is funded by tax-payers, in part. How's that for splitting hairs. Tell me, are not the custodians payed by our taxes? The security? The basic overhead?
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                      • Author by Old_Benjamin (December 01, 2010 5:50 pm ET)
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                        What is "payed"?

                        You are the one splitting hairs as I clearly demonstrated above. I guess you are one more con that can't read for comprehension. Home skooled?

                        Tell me, are not the custodians payed by our taxes? The security? The basic overhead?


                        I'm not sure but I assume so. Would they be receiving the same pay if this exhibit were not there? I would assume yes. (oh now I see - you think "paid" is spelled "payed" - sorry about that).
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                        • Author by Jollymon (December 01, 2010 6:31 pm ET)
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                          "Payed" and "ignorance." It's the Right-wing education system on display for all to see. And he has the nerve to lecture us about edumacation?
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                          • Author by Jollymon (December 01, 2010 6:32 pm ET)
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                            Oops, I spelled it correctly, I meant his spelling of "ignorence."
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                          • Author by proudblackman (December 01, 2010 7:24 pm ET)
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                            Again, I am a product of a left wing education, not a right wing one. I am a product of a jim crowe education, which was a democrat program, not a republican one. Oh, wait a minute, you are also a product of a democrat/liberal educational system, thus I can excuse you your ignorance of social historic policies.
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                            • Author by Old_Benjamin (December 02, 2010 12:23 pm ET)
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                              Again, I am a product of a left wing education,


                              Then where is your sense of personal responsibility? Why are you blaming others? And how is it that others who have received a public education are not nearly as stupid as you? Why are you not taking time to upgrade you education? That's not very conservative of you.
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                              • Author by proudblackman (December 02, 2010 2:20 pm ET)
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                                Huh? I blame no one. Just stating the facts. If you have a problem with my spelling or use of grammer, than I submit that it is you who have the problem, not me. I am very comfortable with who I am, and how I spell. It is your side that has a problem with it, not me. I just pointed out that the purcieved deficits in my education derives from the jim crowe education I recieved. Actually, I could use spell check, like you so called educated pin heads do, but why bother?
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                                • Author by Johaely (December 02, 2010 4:21 pm ET)
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                                  Because there is nothing good about being proud of your ignorance. It makes you come of as an idiot at best. Jim Crow laws don't work as an excuse.
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                                • Author by Old_Benjamin (December 02, 2010 4:28 pm ET)
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                                  I blame no one.

                                  I just pointed out that the purcieved deficits in my education derives from the jim crowe education I recieved.


                                  In ONE post, h3ll, in 5 sentences, you managed to contradict yourself.

                                  So anyway, if you realize your education was lacking why don't you take personal responsibility and improve your education?
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                                  • Author by proudblackman (December 02, 2010 5:22 pm ET)
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                                    I don't see it as a problem, you do. Get over it.
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                                    • Author by Old_Benjamin (December 02, 2010 5:37 pm ET)
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                                      So you ARE anti-education?

                                      So when you posted this...

                                      Re: Education. Funny but seems to me it is conservatives that support school choice and voucher's.


                                      We're you being disingenuous? Or perhaps all that fancy book learnin' is for OTHER cons as you are enjoying your ignorance?
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                                      • Author by proudblackman (December 02, 2010 7:54 pm ET)
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                                        oh, so you are saying that it is liberals who support vouchers and school choice? You must be smoking something illigal, aren't you?
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                        • Author by proudblackman (December 01, 2010 7:21 pm ET)
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                          If not for our paying there salaries, via taxes, the exhibit would have had to look elsewhere. You seem to miss the point that taxpayer funds are involved in the display(s). The building itself is supported by the tax payer.
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                          • Author by Jollymon (December 01, 2010 7:46 pm ET)
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                            As are sports stadiums. You didn't get the analogy at all did you? And if my education was so bad, how come I can spell and you can't? How come I know proper english and sentence structure and you don't if we went to the same "liberal" schools? Seriously, are you THAT dense?

                            And your Jim Crowe argument holds no water. Do I really have to get into the "ideals of the old southern democrats are the same as modern day republicans" debate? Dude, bring something new to the argument or just quit wasting internet kilobytes.

                            Your move exlax.
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                            • Author by proudblackman (December 02, 2010 12:06 pm ET)
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                              So, you are under the impression that the republicans have the same ideals as the democrats once had? Do tell. That is nothing but a lie, that you cannot hope to prove. Saying it does not make it so. By the way, since the republicans have made in-roads in what once was the bastion of the democrats, race relations have vastly improved. Where we have the most racial divisions are now in liberal cities such as New York, Boston, Chicago, Los Angeles, and the Bay area of San Franciso, where police killings and the brutalization of people of color is most prominent.
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                            • Author by proudblackman (December 02, 2010 12:09 pm ET)
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                              I get the analogy, you don't. The fact is, anything that occurs on public property, such as the exibit in questions, involves public funding. And that was BECK's point. I guess you would have had to have actually watched the show to understand that.
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                          • Author by Old_Benjamin (December 02, 2010 11:41 am ET)
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                            If not for our paying there salaries, via taxes, the exhibit would have had to look elsewhere. You seem to miss the point that taxpayer funds are involved in the display(s). The building itself is supported by the tax payer.


                            Oh my, the depths of teh stoopid. That building exists. It has employees. These are apparently paid for by the government (taxes). There are other exhibits at the museum. These monies would be spent with or without this particular exhibit being there.

                            Leftwing education indeed.
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                            • Author by proudblackman (December 02, 2010 12:33 pm ET)
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                              It is you that missed Becks point, which is that the disgusting exhibits are in a public building that is paid for out of public tax dollars. Listen to his whole discussion on the subject, not just MM selected sound bite.
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                              • Author by Old_Benjamin (December 02, 2010 12:56 pm ET)
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                                It is you that missed Becks point, which is that the disgusting exhibits are in a public building that is paid for out of public tax dollars.


                                Now try once, just once, to answer this question, would the same "public tax dollars" have been spent regardless of what exhibits (there are apparently more than on at any given time) were housed in the museum?
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                                • Author by proudblackman (December 02, 2010 1:38 pm ET)
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                                  I guess you missed the point. We as taxpayers should not have to pay, in any way shape or form, for exhibits such as these. Period.
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                                  • Author by Old_Benjamin (December 02, 2010 2:04 pm ET)
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                                    I guess you missed the point. We as taxpayers should not have to pay, in any way shape or form, for exhibits such as these. Period.


                                    So the other exhibits (which I'm sure you have no idea the content of) are ok - you are upset with this particular exhibit.

                                    Will you answer the question, if that exhibit had not been housed at this museum, would those same operating costs still have been paid by taxes?
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                                • Author by proudblackman (December 02, 2010 2:24 pm ET)
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                                  The answer is yes. Now answer my question: Don't we, as taxpaying citizens, have the right to object to what these public employees deem fit to include as exhibits in these self same public spaces? That's all Beck is doing. You big brother lovers seem to have a problem with people objecting to the decisions made by public employees regarding the use of public space.
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                                  • Author by Old_Benjamin (December 02, 2010 4:36 pm ET)
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                                    Don't we, as taxpaying citizens, have the right to object to what these public employees deem fit to include as exhibits in these self same public spaces?


                                    I'd say "no". If taxes are going towards public museums/galleris, I don't want the content of those exhibits to be subject to political interference from people with an ideological (political/religious) ax to grind. Leave it to the curators - that's what they're there for. As for individuals with obejections such as yours, as your type are fond of saying - then don't go (i.e. change the channel).

                                    You big brother lovers seem to have a problem with people objecting to the decisions made by public employees regarding the use of public space.


                                    Projection at it's finest. You don't love big brother - you want to BE big brother and tell everyone else what they can see at the Smithsonian.
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                                    • Author by proudblackman (December 03, 2010 11:20 am ET)
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                                      So, you are in favor of public employees allowing bigotry in public spaces? By the way, a private citizen, regardless of political pursausion, should also have the right to question the judgement of those who work for us, the taxpayers.
                                      By the way, I am in favor of the government getting out of the way. I have no desire to be big brother, nor do I support big brother. You, on the other hand seem to feel that the government and it's employee's have the right to dictate what I or people like Beck have to say about their actions.
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                                      • Author by Old_Benjamin (December 03, 2010 11:36 am ET)
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                                        So, you are in favor of public employees allowing bigotry in public spaces?


                                        No - I support the arts. I appreciate the government does as well. I want folks who are professionals in their fields (curators, musicians, etc.) to run things like museums, galleries and what not. I don't want political and/or religious interference in the programming.

                                        By the way, I am in favor of the government getting out of the way.


                                        Now you are lying. You want the government to censor this art exhibit. Once again - big brother is fine by you as long as he's doing your bidding.
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                                        • Author by proudblackman (December 03, 2010 11:50 am ET)
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                                          So, when bigotry is expressed through art, you give it a pass? Hummmm interesting position you have there. And, by the way, a private citizen expressing his or her outrage is a little differant than a politician doing so. After all, it is our taxes that are paying the salary of those self same curators, and as such, we do have the right to question their decisions.
                                          No, I do not want the government to censur anything. What I do want is for our government employees to not allow bigoted displays on government property. Apperantly you support bigotry in government, so long as it is against christianity or conservatives, is that what your position is?
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                                          • Author by Old_Benjamin (December 03, 2010 4:45 pm ET)
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                                            Apperantly you support bigotry in government,


                                            Why do you insist on lying?

                                            So, when bigotry is expressed through art, you give it a pass?


                                            Lying again? I probably just wouldn't go to see it. See 'cause I realize what I consider to be "bigotry" may not be what others consider "bigotry"

                                            And finally two contradicting sentences back to back...

                                            No, I do not want the government to censur anything. What I do want is for our government employees to not allow bigoted displays on government property.


                                            Distilled to - I want to be able to dictate what is shown in taxpayer funded galleries and museums.
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                                  • Author by coldteablues19577325 (December 03, 2010 11:23 am ET)
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                                    "Don't we, as taxpaying citizens, have the right to object to what these public employees deem fit to include as exhibits in these self same public spaces" --proudblackman

                                    I know this may be hard for you to understand, but our tax dollars DID NOT fund the exhibit. The money for the exhibit came from private donors. Kinda like how PBS and NPR are funded. Therefore, these extremist Xians really have no right whatsoever to force anything to be pulled from the exhibit. Especially when they refuse to educate themselves as to what the artist was representing with said art.

                                    Wow! Ignorance such as this is simply intolerable.
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                                    • Author by proudblackman (December 03, 2010 11:55 am ET)
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                                      Your a day late and a dollar short in your response. We already went over that ground in prior posts. Again, a government employee (the curator) is allowing a bigoted display on government property. That government property is payed for by taxpayers, as well as the curators salary. As such, we the tax paying people have every right to question the propriety of such a display, especially one that is a blatantly bigoted.
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                      • Author by Jollymon (December 01, 2010 5:52 pm ET)
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                        So do those taxes bring in the exhibits? Or is it the personal benefactors which fund them? And you talk about splitting hairs?

                        Ok, then how about this: Do you like pro sports? Ever go to a football/baseball/basketball game? Did you know taxes paid for good chunks of those big, modern stadiums? But does the government pay for the players or the employees? Does that analogy work for you?

                        Now sit down junior.
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                      • Author by mikehuck1976 (December 02, 2010 12:51 am ET)
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                        So, Beck's thousand moron march in Washington was funded by taxpayers? You are not even trying are you? Good lord, I hope you are not trying. This is getting hard to watch.
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                        • Author by proudblackman (December 02, 2010 12:42 pm ET)
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                          I have never heard of the march you speak of. The thousand moron march? Hummm. Wasn't that the one that was sponsered by some on the left that no one attended?
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                          • Author by mikehuck1976 (December 02, 2010 2:45 pm ET)
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                            So, even Beck and his Beckers are "the left" to you? I notice you completeley avoid the question. I will assume you are, once again, without any intelligible response.
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                            • Author by mikehuck1976 (December 02, 2010 5:44 pm ET)
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                              Still no response from proudblackman regarding his hero's march being publicy funded according to his own bizarre definition. I think his silence speaks volumes. Nice try, though, kdork.
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                            • Author by proudblackman (December 03, 2010 11:43 am ET)
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                              why should I have a problem with Beck's rally? By the way, you never mentioned Beck's rally until now. The only rally you spoke of was some moron march, or some such nonsense. I addressed that in a prior post. The exhibit in question is a form of religous bigotry, in my opinion. That's where my objection stems from. Becks rally was not racist nor bigoted. Nor was it made up of moron's. I was there. So where more than a few other project 21 members. We were even invited to speak at the rally.
                              I am surprised that you on the left support bigotry in our public spaces. No wonder your side is losing support.
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                  • Author by mmfa.fan (December 01, 2010 5:33 pm ET)
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                    I say, watch Beck
                    No.
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                    • Author by proudblackman (December 01, 2010 5:43 pm ET)
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                      Then I submit that you have no right to critize him on any specific subject, as you wouldn't have any first hand knowledge of what it is you are critizing him on.
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                      • Author by mmfa.fan (December 01, 2010 8:49 pm ET)
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                        What a ridiculous argument. I'm not interested in the bulk of his vague ramblings, I'm interested in the instances in which he makes things up (ie. lies), smears people, or distorts the facts. Fortunately there are groups like MMFA who do the hard work of sitting through Beck's drivel every day, and they do a fine job of documenting Beck's lies, smears, and distortions. I'm amazed that you don't grasp that basic concept, which is right in the site's mission statement. The evidence is provided in the form of audio and video, in context, with links to Beck's previous statements, etc. etc. etc.
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                        • Author by proudblackman (December 02, 2010 12:12 pm ET)
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                          So, you are content to believe a blog over his own words, is that it? Someone tells you he lies and you believe them. How sad.
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                          • Author by Old_Benjamin (December 02, 2010 12:26 pm ET)
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                            Someone tells you he lies and you believe them. How sad.


                            Wait - he DOESN'T watch beck.
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                          • Author by mmfa.fan (December 03, 2010 1:02 am ET)
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                            you are content to believe a blog over his own words
                            In the post you just replied to, I said this:
                            evidence is provided in the form of audio and video, in context
                            I am going by Beck's own words. Doesn't mean I'm going to sit through his entire show every day, as if somewhere in there he's going to slip something in that totally justifies all the BS that's documented here.
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                  • Author by mikehuck1976 (December 02, 2010 12:45 am ET)
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                    An intellect thinking person? You need to stop trying to speak down to people. It hurts to watch and only ends up making me feel bad for you, proud.

                    Have you figured out yet that college professors do not have teaching degrees?
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                    • Author by proudblackman (December 02, 2010 12:47 pm ET)
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                      So now you are trying to tell me how to speak to people? Hey, chief, I left the white man's liberal plantation long ago. You have no right to try an dictate to me how I must do things. You lost that right long ago.

                      I happen to know more than a few college professors. The all have teaching credentials. I guess you were educated by non educated teachers, is that what you are trying to say?
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                      • Author by Old_Benjamin (December 02, 2010 1:07 pm ET)
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                        mike -
                        Have you figured out yet that college professors do not have teaching degrees?


                        answered by...

                        The all have teaching credentials.


                        Keep going - I haven't laughed this much in a loooong time.
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                        • Author by proudblackman (December 02, 2010 1:33 pm ET)
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                          Huh? The ones I know do have teaching credentials. I did not say that all college professors have them, just the ones I know, so stop trying to twist my words. My actual answer was: I happen to know more than a few college professors. The all have teaching credentials.
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                          • Author by Old_Benjamin (December 02, 2010 2:07 pm ET)
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                            The all have teaching credentials.


                            Is that the same as a degree from teacher's college?
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                            • Author by proudblackman (December 02, 2010 2:35 pm ET)
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                              Well, I guess it would depend on the individual and where he got educated. I suppose that if he were a liberal, he just hired by colleges, based on the fact he or she is a liberal, at least according to those who seem to believe that college professors don't have degree's or creditials. Isn't that what you believe?
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                              • Author by mikehuck1976 (December 02, 2010 2:50 pm ET)
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                                Do you actually think the only degree that exists is a teaching degree? Do you not know the difference between credentials and a degree? Do you know there are different degrees and different levels of degrees? I find your thought process fascinating. Please continue.
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                      • Author by mikehuck1976 (December 02, 2010 2:48 pm ET)
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                        So now you are trying to tell me how to speak to people? Hey, chief, I left the white man's liberal plantation long ago. You have no right to try an dictate to me how I must do things. You lost that right long ago. - proud

                        Wow. Now, we are race-baiting? Pathetic. You are flailing.

                        So, once again, all of your college professors have teaching degrees? You sure you want that to be your final answer?
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                        • Author by proudblackman (December 02, 2010 4:15 pm ET)
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                          I see you have a small level of comprehension. I will not repeat myself again. re-read my statement regarding the college professors I know.
                          And how is it race baiting when I am just informing you that you know longer have the right to dictate my actions. Like I said, I left the liberal plantation long ago. I no longer have to abide by the liberal way of doing things.
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            • Author by mikehuck1976 (December 02, 2010 1:39 pm ET)
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              The public record of Santa? You SOBs!
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        • Author by mikehuck1976 (December 02, 2010 12:42 am ET)
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          That's not God, it's Soros. Ahhhhhhhh!
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    • Author by sullivan4239 (December 01, 2010 4:49 pm ET)
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      Another example in the piece showing that Beck just "makes things up", his data: Where did he get it? Did he "just make it up"? He sure didn't give a source.

      The Pew Religious Survey published in the Washington Post has some very different numbers.

      This guy just makes up so much stuff it's hard to catch it all.
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      • Author by Jollymon (December 01, 2010 5:17 pm ET)
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        Actually, the poll you link to doesn't break it down into demographic or age, its just a general survey. You might want to look up the individual numbers at Pew's website. I believe the numbers Beckie is saying about 30% is high, its closer to 16% in that particular age group (give or take a few percentage points). But when did facts ever stop little Glennie from saying something to the contrary?

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    • Author by Bob Stanley (December 01, 2010 10:12 pm ET)
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      To think for one minute that Glenn Beck DOESN'T just make things up is absurd. He just says whatever he wants without regard to the truth or even if it's within the realm of the possible. He isn't even attempting to impart some knowledge. He doesn't have any special insight to share. He's an entertainer who accidently developed this sick persona and now he's stuck with it. He's a reflection of his audience, nothing more.
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    • Author by grmce (December 01, 2010 11:23 pm ET)
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      If all those bible-bashing humbugs were really concerned about "family values" they would eschew the nuclear family and work to re-establish the community based values of the extended family.

      Instead, they seem intent upon sowing dissension, fear and loathing - setting neighbour against neighbour. It's a short step from being intolerant of your neighbour to being intolerant of your spouse.

      If they were really Christian they would know to love themselves and love their neighbour - no conditions or caveats.
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    • Author by sam from california (December 02, 2010 5:17 am ET)
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      whats wrong with this exhibit exactly? Jesus has bugs on him? Really, the right wing has descended into accusations of blasphemy based on something as tenuous as the presence of ants on a piece of art.

      I'm getting a little bored of the mad conspiracy theories and absurd exaggerations made by conservative pundits.
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      • Author by Bob Stanley (December 02, 2010 9:24 am ET)
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        It's stupider than that. The ant symbolizes Christ's humanity. One of the most important lessons from the Bible. It shows that he was indeed human and understands suffering. The iconic images of blood dripping from the crown of thorns on his forehead or bruises on his body are other ways that artists have conveyed this concept. It's not even meant to be anything derisive. It's a TOTALLY MANUFACTURED outrage.
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      • Author by mikehuck1976 (December 02, 2010 2:55 pm ET)
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        I hear the next thing they are going to do is re-enact the death and suffering of Christ. They are going to have an actor portray him, whip him, beat him, torture him, and, believe it or not, crucify him. It is disgusting. What? Oh, that was Mel Gibson - never mind.
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    • Author by txthinker (December 02, 2010 1:40 pm ET)
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      Beck previously suggested that he could not "just make things up and remain on the air"
      Then Roger Ailes needs to do the right thing and fire Becky's a$$.
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    • Author by nevernot (December 02, 2010 1:57 pm ET)
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      "If I get out of control and start leveling baseless charges that can't be backed up, guess what happens? I'm fired. I lose my job."
      Glenn Beck June 2010

      Well, I'm waiting.....
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