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Fox Trots Out Same Old Discredited Guests To Comment On Uprising In Egypt

January 31, 2011 5:00 pm ET — 69 Comments

Fox News has dragged out their regular roster of credibility-challenged experts to comment on the uprising in Egypt. Media Matters has compiled a list of these guests and the shows they appeared on, along with their past inflammatory remarks.

Brigitte Gabriel

Brigitte Gabriel Appeared On Fox News' January 28 And January 29 Coverage Of Egypt. Brigitte Gabriel appeared on the January 28, 2011, edition of Fox News' Hannity and the January 29, 2011, edition of Fox & Friends.

NYT: Gabriel Is A "Radical Islamophobe." The New York Times' former public editor, Clark Hoyt, described Brigitte Gabriel as a "radical Islamophobe," and stated that she defines "all practicing Muslims" as "radical Muslims." Hoyt wrote the following article in response to reader comments from a New York Times Magazine interview:

Brigitte Gabriel is a provocative author and lecturer, a Lebanese-Christian who came to the United States after surviving the civil war that tore apart the land of her birth. She has made it her mission - one might say her crusade - to warn that radical Muslims, a term she defines as all practicing Muslims, are bent on taking over the West.

Gabriel has a new book coming out in a couple of weeks, "They Must Be Stopped." Knowing her history, you don't need to guess who "they" are. Gabriel believes that Muslims cannot serve loyally in the U.S. military, that interfaith dialogue is "nonsense," and that the difference between the Arab world and Israel is "barbarism versus civilization." The Muslim world will not be satisfied until all infidels are converted or eliminated, she has said.

Stephen Lee, the publicist at St. Martins Press for Gabriel's new book, calls her views "extreme," and I wouldn't argue with that.

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As for the terms "crusader" and "radical Islamophobe," both strike me as fair descriptions in the context of a magazine feature that is supposed to be edgier than the news columns of the newspaper. Though much of the interview seemed comparatively mild, Gabriel showed a few of the rhetorical flashes that have made her such a controversial figure. Moderate Muslims, she said, "at this point are truly irrelevant." Public foot baths for Muslim students at American universities are "the way they are taking over the West. They are doing it culturally, inch by inch. They don't need to fire one bullet." [The New York Times, 8/21/08]

Judith Miller

Judith Miller Appeared On Fox News' January 28 Coverage of Egypt. Fox News contributor Judith Miller appeared on the January 28, 2011, edition of Fox News' Studio B.

Miller's Series Of Articles On The Now-Debunked Claim That Saddam Had WMD Forced NY Times To Apologize For Its Coverage. As Franklin Foer wrote for New York magazine:

During the winter of 2001 and throughout 2002, Miller produced a series of stunning stories about Saddam Hussein's ambition and capacity to produce weapons of mass destruction, based largely on information provided by [Ahmad Chalabi] and his allies -- almost all of which have turned out to be stunningly inaccurate.

For the past year, the Times has done much to correct that coverage, publishing a series of stories calling Chalabi's credibility into question. [New York magazine, 5/21/05]

Indeed, although the Times did not identify Miller by name, it did publish an editor's note in May 2004 apologizing for its coverage of the existence of WMD in Iraq, particularly articles based on the assertions of Chalabi and other Iraqi defectors:

But we have found a number of instances of coverage that was not as rigorous as it should have been. In some cases, information that was controversial then, and seems questionable now, was insufficiently qualified or allowed to stand unchallenged. Looking back, we wish we had been more aggressive in re-examining the claims as new evidence emerged -- or failed to emerge.

The problematic articles varied in authorship and subject matter, but many shared a common feature. They depended at least in part on information from a circle of Iraqi informants, defectors and exiles bent on "regime change" in Iraq, people whose credibility has come under increasing public debate in recent weeks. (The most prominent of the anti-Saddam campaigners, Ahmad Chalabi, has been named as an occasional source in Times articles since at least 1991, and has introduced reporters to other exiles. He became a favorite of hard-liners within the Bush administration and a paid broker of information from Iraqi exiles, until his payments were cut off last week.) Complicating matters for journalists, the accounts of these exiles were often eagerly confirmed by United States officials convinced of the need to intervene in Iraq. Administration officials now acknowledge that they sometimes fell for misinformation from these exile sources. So did many news organizations -- in particular, this one. [The New York Times, 5/26/04]

Ralph Peters

Ralph Peters Appeared On Fox News' January 28 Coverage Of Egypt. Fox News contributor Lt. Col. Ralph Peters appeared on the January 28, 2011, edition of Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor.

Peters Asserted If U.S. Soldier Held By Taliban Is A Deserter, "The Taliban Can Save Us A Lot Of Legal Hassles And Legal Bills." Peters previously said of Pfc. Bowe Bergdahl, who was captured by the Taliban in June 2009 and appeared in two Taliban propaganda videos: "We know this private is a liar, we're not sure if he's a deserter." Peters added that, if Bergdahl is a deserter, "the Taliban can save us a lot of legal hassles and legal bills." [Fox News, America's News HQ, 7/19/09]

  • NBC's Jim Miklaszewski subsequently reported that the Pentagon said Peters' comments "could endanger" the captured soldier. [MSNBC, Morning Meeting, 7/27/09]

Peters: "I Am Sick Of Hearing That Islam Is A Religion Of Peace ... I Haven't Seen A Lot Of Southern Baptist Suicide Bombers." On the September 10, 2009, edition of The O'Reilly Factor, Peters said, "I am sick of hearing that Islam -- well, Islam is a religion of peace. Well, if Islam is a religion of peace, fine, start acting peacefully. But I haven't seen a lot of Southern Baptist suicide bombers lately, and I will not stand for moral relativism. 9-11 wasn't our fault -- it was fanatics who attacked our country because they hate what we stand for." [Fox News, The O'Reilly Factor, 9/10/09]

Peters: Fort Hood Shooter Is Part Of A "Protected Species" And Was "Running Around In His Little Islamist Suit." During the November 9, 2009, edition of Your World with Neil Cavuto, Peters said that the Fort Hood shooter was a "protected species" who was "running around in his little Islamist suit." [Fox News, Your World with Neil Cavuto, 11/09/09]

Peters On Fort Hood Shooting: "It's Clear That The Problem Is Islam." On the November 10, 2009, edition of The O'Reilly Factor, Peters criticized Obama for calling the Fort Hood shooting "incomprehensible," saying: "No, it wasn't hard to comprehend and it's not now. It was the act of an Islamist terrorist" who "believed he was doing the will of Allah in accordance with the Quran. Not hard to understand -- the evidence is there." Peters concluded: "It's clear that the problem is Islam." [Fox News, The O'Reilly Factor, 11/10/19]

Michael Scheuer

Former CIA Official Michael Scheuer Appeared on Fox News' January 30 Coverage Of Egypt. Michael Scheuer appeared on the January 30, 2011, edition of Fox News' America's News HQ.

Scheuer: "The Only Chance We Have As A Country Right Now Is" For Bin Laden To "Detonate A Major Weapon" In U.S. Michael Scheuer, who has frequently appeared on Fox News as a terrorism expert, said during the June 30, 2009, edition of Glenn Beck, "The only chance we have as a country right now is for Osama bin Laden to deploy and detonate a major weapon in the United States." [Fox News, Glenn Beck, 6/30/09]

Scheuer: "We're Not Killing Enough People" In Afghanistan. In a February 7, 2010, appearance on Fox & Friends, Scheuer said that the capture of Taliban military commander Mullah Abdul Ghani Baradar is not important "in the long run," because "you win wars by killing people, not capturing people," and commented that currently, "we're not killing enough people" in Afghanistan, "we're simply apologizing." [Fox News, Fox & Friends, 2/07/10]

Scheuer: Democratic Administrations Are "Pro-terrorist". During an August 31, 2009, appearance on The Live Desk, Scheuer said that the CIA had "grown pretty used to Democratic administrations" that are "in many senses, pro-terrorist." [Fox News, The Live Desk, 8/31/09]

Scheuer: Obama "Giving Aid And Comfort To The Enemy." In an August 28, 2009, appearance on Fox & Friends, Scheuer said that President Obama has "given aid and comfort to the enemy, both psychologically, and materially" by allowing the Justice Department to investigate CIA interrogators' past alleged use of torture. [Fox News, Fox & Friends, 8/28/09]

Scheuer Implored U.S. To Act "Like A Superpower" And "Destroy" North Korean Navy. Michael Scheuer said that the U.S. should have attacked North Korea "months ago" after "they sank that North Korean -- or South Korean boat." From the November 23, 2010, edition of Fox & Friends:

KILMEADE: Joining us now is the former head of the CIA's bin Laden unit, Michael Scheuer. Michael, first off, what message did North Korea send, and what message can we send back as the chief ally to South Korea, this morning after they sent fire into that island last night?

SCHEUER: I think the message they sent was they don't believe we're going to defend the South Koreans to any great extent. The message we should have sent when they sank that North Korean boat -- or South Korean boat -- several months ago was we should have destroyed as much of North Korean Navy as we could immediately. I also suspect that we should have destroyed -- had been ready to hit them again this morning because now the media and the politicians will talk their way out of defending South Korea and let the North Koreans get away with another act of war.

KILMEADE: So Michael, the heck with what China thinks, just go take them out because we are assigned -- we are an assigned defender of South Korea?

SCHEUER: I think that's right. I think we need to act as what we are. We are a superpower, we have interests of our own and the North Koreans can do without a navy for a while. They can rebuild it. Instead of spending money on nuclear stuff, they can build new boats.

KILMEADE: Yeah, let their people starve. [Fox News, Fox & Friends, 11/23/10]

Liz Trotta

Fox News Contributor Liz Trotta Appeared On Fox News' January 30 Coverage Of Egypt. Liz Trotta appeared on the January 30, 2011, edition of Fox News' America's News HQ.

Trotta Suggested "Knock[ing] Off" "Both" Osama And Obama. During a May 25, 2008, segment on Fox News' America's Election HQ, while discussing the media coverage of Hillary Clinton's remark on Robert F. Kennedy's assassination, Fox News contributor Liz Trotta said:

TROTTA: The vast right-wing conspiracy blame has been undermined by her [Clinton's] evasions, by her outright lies, if I may say, by her pandering, by her race-baiting, and now we have what some are reading as a suggestion that somebody knock off Osama -- Obama -- well, both if we could.

ERIC SHAWN (host): Well - talk about how you really feel. [Fox News, America's Election HQ, 5/25/08]

Trotta Later Apologized For Her Remarks. During the May 26, 2008, edition of America's Election HQ, Liz Trotta apologized for her "lame attempt at humor." From the Huffington Post:

A day after she had referred to Barack Obama as "Osama' and quipped that both of them should get bumped off, Fox News contributor Liz Trotta was given an opportunity today to offer a "clarification," as host Bill Hemmer put it.

After talking for a couple of minutes about Hillary Clinton's own "backtracking" on her comment about the Robert F. Kennedy assassination on Friday, Hemmer noted that "some people" were "criticizing you" for her Osama/Obama remark on Sunday.

Trotta said she was sorry, while also suggesting her remark was nothing particularly unusual or awful in this campaign year.

She said, " Oh yes, I am so sorry about what happened yesterday and the lame attempt at humor. I fell all over myself, making it appear that I wished Barack Obama harm or any other candidate, for that matter, and I sincerely regret it and apologize to anybody I have offended. It is a very colorful political season"-- she chuckled at this point--"and many of us are making mistakes and saying things we wish we had not said." [Huffington Post, 5/26/08]

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    • Author by Bad News (January 31, 2011 5:14 pm ET)
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      This is their chance to show Obama's weakness.
      To show him siding with those Muslims & his eternal Meekness.
      Fox News' Hatred of our 1st Black President is like a bottomless pit.
      At Media Matters for America we hold them up to ridicule, the same as in an SNL Skit.

      Speak truth to power.


      Mr. News
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      • Author by CenterRight (February 01, 2011 1:42 pm ET)
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        Which news outlets have the middle-eastern experts with non-partsian, squeeky clean credibility?
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    • Author by wesley_fpt (January 31, 2011 5:22 pm ET)
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      It seems like one of the functions of Fox is to give mainstream credibilty to right wing extremists such as Michelle Malkin and Pamela Gellar, along with those listed in the article. They even take things a step further by trying to lend credibility to Sarah Palin, who is obviously mentally unstable. These people belong in the far reaches of talk radio and the internet..not on tv.
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    • Author by armendale (January 31, 2011 5:24 pm ET)
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      For FOX to feature the likes of Ms Gabriel to feed the fears of "Islamophobia" is to strike the bedrock of Christian eschatology.

      Any middle eastern unrest, but especially this past week's events in Egypt are particularly spell-binding to true believers who welcome any step that might conceivably lead to the long-awaited and most cherished future event - Armageddon.

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    • Author by m.welker (January 31, 2011 5:31 pm ET)
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      Given Gabriel's stance, couldn't it be said that she is a radical Christian who won't be happy until all nonbelievers are eliminated or converted?
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    • Author by fairliberal (January 31, 2011 6:04 pm ET)
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      Discredited guests? Because the left wing NYT says so. What a joke. What has been discredited today is the unconstitutional health care law.
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      • Author by armendale (January 31, 2011 6:15 pm ET)
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        Discredited health care law? Because some right wing troll says so. what a joke.
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        • Author by eweston8542983 (January 31, 2011 6:33 pm ET)
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          FB likes the idea of finacial ruin due to medical costs. It gives a warm fuzzy to her.
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        • Author by fairliberal (January 31, 2011 7:00 pm ET)
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          Right wing troll? I think it was a federal judge who ruled it unconstitutional, wasn't it? Here are Obama's own thoughts on the health care mandate, shades of "flip flop" John Kerry...

          In ruling against President Obama‘s health care law, federal Judge Roger Vinson used Mr. Obama‘s own position from the 2008 campaign against him, arguing that there are other ways to tackle health care short of requiring every American to purchase insurance.

          “I note that in 2008, then-Senator Obama supported a health care reform proposal that did not include an individual mandate because he was at that time strongly opposed to the idea, stating that ‘if a mandate was the solution, we can try that to solve homelessness by mandating everybody to buy a house,’” Judge Vinson wrote in a footnote toward the end of the 78-page ruling Monday.

          http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/jan/31/judge-uses-obamas-words-against-him/
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          • Author by Johaely (January 31, 2011 7:14 pm ET)
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            One, it has nothing to do with the subject at hand. Two, you are using the Washington Times, the Washington equivalent of the New York Post as your source. You oculd just have posted a link to freerepublic for the same effect and last but not least you are using the opinion of ONE judge to rule that health care is unconstituional. Isn't that also a case of an "activist judge" "legislating form the bench" or it doesn't aply because he is fighting for something you support?
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            • Author by fairliberal (January 31, 2011 8:04 pm ET)
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              Wrong again Sherlock, I wasn't using the Wash Times, I took that quote from an MSDNC page, perhaps you should take a closer look. But putting that aside, are you claiming that Obama did not take that stand in 2008, like the WP and the federal judge claimed? If that quote also appeared in the NYT what then? Is it valid in the NYT but invalid in the WP? \

              And do you have any support for your claim of an "activist judge"?
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              • Author by Johaely (January 31, 2011 8:30 pm ET)
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                . But putting that aside, are you claiming that Obama did not take that stand in 2008, like the WP and the federal judge claimed?


                Does that even matter? Obama did not write the law, Congress did. He signed it because it was that or nothing.

                http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/jan/31/judge-uses-obamas-words-against-him/


                Is this not the Washingotn times? And once again, WHAT THE FLYING F*(K DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH THE PORTESTS IN EGYPT?!
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                • Author by mikehuck1976 (February 01, 2011 3:09 pm ET)
                     
                  http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/jan/31/judge-uses-obamas-words-against-him/ - fakelib at 7pm

                  Wrong again Sherlock, I wasn't using the Wash Times - fakelib at 8:04pm

                  It is really hard to mock someone that seems to go out of their way to make a mockery of their own statements. Well played, fakelib.
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          • Author by syrabell (January 31, 2011 7:20 pm ET)
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            Could be he's one of those activist judges that you say are ruining this country. Many feel that the requirement to have insurance is a bad idea, but to end the law due to a single flaw would mean the return to a failed system that protects the insurance companies at the expense of the American people. Do you want to end the ban on preexisting conditions?, the ban on unlimited and unregulated rate hikes?, the end of dependent coverage until age 26?

            How about we amend the law not dump it?

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            • Author by fairliberal (January 31, 2011 8:21 pm ET)
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              Activist judge? Is that speculation on your part? Do you have any support for your implication?

              Do you dispute the fact that Obama was against mandated coverage in his run for the presidency?

              I do believe the preexisting condition issue is bad and should be outlawed. Absolutely. Don't you feel that the law is flawed in respect that it didn't even address the issue of competition in allowing the sale of insurance across state lines? 2000 pages and they just forgot it ?

              Once again you go after the insurance cos, but do you know who the largest denier of health care claims is? Surprise surprise, it is Medicare, not the insurance cos.


              And dependant coverage, I thought that someone in their early 20's was actually an adult. When do we cut the apron strings? Now if there is a good reason, disabilty for instance, then by all means they should be able to continue on their parents policy. But barring something of that nature, or if they are a student, they should be responsible for themselves.
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              • Author by raddave43 (February 01, 2011 8:50 am ET)
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                Yes activist judge who was legislating from the bench.
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              • Author by mikehuck1976 (February 01, 2011 3:13 pm ET)
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                Well, surely anyone with an ounce of integrity could agree that any judge that overruled legislation passed by Congress because of a statement made by a presidential nominee on the campaign trail would be an activist judge. That would not be up for debate to any rational being. The only question would be whether or not you used your fake outrage to try and dismiss past judges based on activist decisions.

                I, for one, do not necessarily think because a judge is activist that they are wrong. There are many decisions that have been made by activist judges that have been correct. But, I am sure you were never one to dismiss a judgment simply because of activism. Especially not now that you are on here clearly supporting a decision by an activist judge. That would make you a hypocritical, partisan hack with absolutely zero integrity, fakelib. Say it ain't so.
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              • Author by hurricaneyankee52983 (February 01, 2011 3:29 pm ET)
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                UNFAIRLIBERAL, Last time i counted 2 federal judges ruled the law constitutional and 2 have ruled it unconstitutional,not exactly an overwhelming swing one way or another.
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              • Author by Paz3 (February 01, 2011 5:29 pm ET)
                   
                "I do believe the preexisting condition issue is bad and should be outlawed. Absolutely."

                Yes, but without the individual mandate to increase the pool of coverage health care costs will double in a year or two. That what you want?

                "Don't you feel that the law is flawed in respect that it didn't even address the issue of competition in allowing the sale of insurance across state lines? 2000 pages and they just forgot it?"

                No, that matter (a favorite of the right) was deliberately left out of the act because otherwise health care commpanies, not regulated by states in which they do business but are not located in, could engage in a lot of abuses. And they would, as you ought to know, unless you can guarantee that God has cancelled "Greed" as an operating option for humans and companies (which are run by humans). You know, the bottom line is what companies that are traded on the stock market worship, and that is undeniable.

                "Once again you go after the insurance cos, but do you know who the largest denier of health care claims is? Surprise surprise, it is Medicare, not the insurance cos."

                Where's the link? That is a fatuous claim. Now, Medicare may deny a lot of claims due to sheer volume of citizens covered, and maybe Medicare recipients file a lot of questionable claims, but Medicare does not deny coverage for pre-existing conditions, and the program does not cut you off after some arbirary spending "limit" is reached.

                Do some better homework.
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              • Author by syrabell (February 02, 2011 12:30 am ET)
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                I say "activist Judges" in sarcasm, it is a term used by those that disagree with the way judges rule.
                Yes Obama was for a co-op for coverage but it was a no go for the Republicans in congress.
                Medicare is also the largest insurer of persons in the country, so please use percentage of denied claims. Medicare denial of claims are not based on profit or loss they are based on a set of rules that do not change due to a profit loss statement.
                The dependent coverage to age 26 is for those that do not yet have coverage by an employer. Once a person is covered by an employer they are not covered as a dependent. The previous law did not cover students working part time or those seeking advanced degrees like master or doctorates. That meant that if you were going to Medical School and you were over the age of 23 you were no longer covered.
                Do you really mean that student should not be covered and that they should have to get their own medical insurance.
                And also if you had a disability you were not covered due to it being a pre-existing condition.
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          • Author by mikehuck1976 (February 01, 2011 3:08 pm ET)
               
            "In ruling against President Obama‘s health care law, federal Judge Roger Vinson used Mr. Obama‘s own position from the 2008 campaign against him, arguing that there are other ways to tackle health care short of requiring every American to purchase insurance." fakelib

            What?! I have not read the ruling yet but I sure hope that is not what he wrote in his ruling. He overturned legislation passed by Congress because the president said there are other ways to tackle healthcare reform during a presidential campaign? That is a truly bizarre rationale for a court ruling.

            I know how you feel about activist judges fakelib so I will assume you are truly outraged, right? I mean, you are not just some partisan hack with zero integrity whose fake outrage swings back and forth depending on which side of the partisan divide an ruling falls on are you?
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    • Author by mediasham912 (January 31, 2011 10:19 pm ET)
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      Why did you list Michael Schuaer? Head of the Bin Landen Unit under Bush and Clinton
      Bin Laden recommended his book
      Young Turks have had him on
      The only reason you say he's discredited is because he exposed that Clinton let Bin Laden get away 8 times. Of course you'll never mention that
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      • Author by raddave43 (February 01, 2011 8:48 am ET)
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        You mean Michael Schuaer, who was too afraid to put CIA personnel into Afghanistan and relied on local warlords or the Pakistani intelligence for intel? Did you include the time when they had reports of Bin Laden being in southern Afghanistan and it turned out to be a Saudi prince in that count? Or maybe you mean the Michael Schuaer, who's stationed failed to pass along critical information like that at least two known Al Qaeda operatives had U.S. Visas and that the two had last been seen boarding a plane to east Asia to attend a terrorist meeting? That man has no credibility left.
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        • Author by mediasham912 (February 02, 2011 4:50 pm ET)
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          do you have links?
          If he has no credibility, why has Media Matters cited him as a source multiple times. They did not start attacking him till Obama came to office.
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    • Author by cornelison (January 31, 2011 10:24 pm ET)
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      Does anyone on Fox know how to spell Egypt?
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    • Author by union (January 31, 2011 10:48 pm ET)
         
      Here's a newsflash: Obama is not president of Egypt.

      Go chew on that, Fox Nooz.
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    • Author by trashfox (February 01, 2011 12:10 am ET)
         
      What bothers me to no end is how many imbicels listen to Fox & actually believes them. An older white woman commented at a John McCain Town Hall meeting saying Obama was a true Arab & a Terrorist running for President, McCain grabbed the microphone embarassed of this woman's comment. This woman got this idea from Fox showing day after day Obama's friendship with a college professor who had been a part of the Anti Vietnam war group SDS back in 1968 because these two people happened to be in the same building at one time. Fox showed this segment for weeks. This is what scares me is how many people will believe in Fox. If some of those groups were around today Fox would have a battle on their dirty scummy hands. These grous would be after the bad media such as Fox. I look for something to happen to Fox for the way they carry on. O'Rielly seems to brag that he now has to have bodyguards around or things are getting danger close,& who would care if Fox gets what it deserves.
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      • Author by CenterRight (February 01, 2011 1:32 pm ET)
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        Was it important to your story to note the woman was white? Good thing you didn't say black or you'd be flagged as a racist.
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    • Author by Jose4 (February 01, 2011 8:17 am ET)
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      Much of the improvement in the economy since Obama took office was due to the decrease of oil price.

      Obama cannot take any credit for the price going down but he is going to get much of the blame when it goes up.

      Between Obama's drilling moratorium and his appeasement to the Muslims there is going to be a very unhappy electorate in 2012.

      The Egypt situation is poised to send oil prices through the roof.

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      • Author by Johaely (February 01, 2011 10:14 am ET)
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        ... and his appeasement to the Muslims there is going to be a very unhappy electorate in 2012.


        Could you give me an instance of when this did happen and how is this bad?
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        • Author by Jose4 (February 01, 2011 10:29 am ET)
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          Ignoring the jihad threat, appeasing jihadist Pakistan -- all this and more is in Obama's favor, as far as Omar Sacirbey is concerned. But he still has to do more! It's never enough! "Obama walks the talk in new Muslim outreach," by Omar Sacirbey for the Religion News Service, April 15 (thanks to Mackie)

          Your text to link here...

          Islamist Appeasement Alert: Obama Administration Lifts US Ban on Muslim Brotherhood Leader

          Your text to link here...

          There are hundreds of examples.
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          • Author by Johaely (February 01, 2011 10:43 am ET)
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            You are using a racist website to prove your point I see. Using "jihadwatch" to prove anything about muslims is not different than using stormfront to prove anything about jews. Jihad has become a meaningless world because of all the ignorance that has come, mostly from racist americans and xenophobic europeans. There isn't even such thing a "Sharia Law". Sharia is the islamic equivalent of the ten commandments or the eightfold path and its different for each sect.

            For bigots like you, anything muslims do is just a step towards terrorism and world domination.
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            • Author by Jose4 (February 01, 2011 10:48 am ET)
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              I didn't write the articles so why are you calling me a bigot?

              There is certainly a thing called Hamas and if Obama continues his appeasement Hamas will end up ruling in Egypt.

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              • Author by raddave43 (February 01, 2011 10:49 am ET)
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                Because of your constant attack on Islam leads people to think that you are a bigot?
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              • Author by foghornleghorn (February 01, 2011 10:59 am ET)
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                Obama continues his appeasement...

                Appeasement means giving something away. Obama has given nothing away. Please stop using that term since you obviously have no clue what it means.
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              • Author by yoiksaway (February 01, 2011 10:20 pm ET)
                   
                Hamas...you mean that democratically-elected government?
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          • Author by mikehuck1976 (February 01, 2011 3:16 pm ET)
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            Your sources are really disgusting, Jose. Now I understand why you were all over this site wetting your pants because of the Burlington Coat Factory a few months ago. I notice after all of your bedwetting and crying over that you seem to have moved on once you were told to. How bizarre.
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        • Author by Jose4 (February 01, 2011 10:31 am ET)
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          And to answer your question about why it is bad suggests that you think it would be a good idea for Hamas to rule in Egypt.
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          • Author by Johaely (February 01, 2011 10:46 am ET)
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            Egypt could be Shia and you would be saying that. I'm not afraid of Hamas getting power because it's a national revolt. It was not connected to Hamas nor the Muslim Brotherhood.
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          • Author by raddave43 (February 01, 2011 10:48 am ET)
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            Hamas is a Palestinian organization, not an Egyptian one. So, your post just shows how ignorant you are.
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            • Author by Jose4 (February 01, 2011 10:50 am ET)
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              First Palestine, then Egypt, Turkey and on it goes.

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              • Author by raddave43 (February 01, 2011 10:53 am ET)
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                WTF are you talking about?
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                • Author by Johaely (February 01, 2011 10:56 am ET)
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                  The plans for jewi...i mean Islamic "World Domination".
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                  • Author by foghornleghorn (February 01, 2011 11:00 am ET)
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                    Hamas is a dog whistle word for evil brown people with unlimited power to take over Middle East countries through free and fair elections.

                    Wow, kinda sounds like the teabaggers (except for the brown part).
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                    • Author by Jose4 (February 01, 2011 11:07 am ET)
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                      I could give a crap what color they are.

                      The reason I suggest Hamas is because Sunnis hate Shiites.

                      And your idea of a free and fair election is mob rule.




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                      • Author by Johaely (February 01, 2011 11:18 am ET)
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                        ALL elections are essentially civilized mob rule.
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                      • Author by mjlilgui (February 01, 2011 11:43 am ET)
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                        So in a choice between an oppressive dictator and a mob clamoring for democracy, you'll back the dictator? Interesting theory.
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                        • Author by Jose4 (February 01, 2011 12:11 pm ET)
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                          First of all, democracies do not work. The majority will always vote away the rights of the minority.

                          So what is better, a dictator or a maniac?

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                          • Author by raddave43 (February 01, 2011 12:46 pm ET)
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                            You dolt, we are a democracy. A republic is a form of democracy known as a representative democracy.
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                            • Author by Jose4 (February 01, 2011 4:17 pm ET)
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                              A republic and a democracy are identical in every aspect except one. In a republic the sovereignty is in each individual person. In a democracy the sovereignty is in the group.

                              Your text to link here...

                              This is not a small difference.

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                              • Author by raddave43 (February 01, 2011 4:56 pm ET)
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                                Your link is a load of crap. Individuals aren't sovereign in a Republic or a democracy.
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                                • Author by Jose4 (February 01, 2011 8:21 pm ET)
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                                  And I suppose you are like Obama who thinks that the Bill of Rights is the government granting rights to the people.

                                  The fact is God gave sovereign rights to the people and the people in turn gave limited powers to the government.

                                  Democracies empower groups where republics empower individuals.


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                                  • Author by syrabell (February 02, 2011 12:58 am ET)
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                                    Which god are you referring to? Jehovah, Jesus, Mohammad, Allah, or one of the 13 gods of Hindu, or one of the 23 Polynesian gods, or one of the 80 plus gods of the Japanese? Need more gods I can name you at least 500. So which one do you mean. Nixon was a Quaker, Kennedy was a Catholic, Jefferson was neither. The founding fathers were many different religions. Our country is based on a freedom of (and from religion). To be free to practice the religion of your choice and some chose no religion.
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                                    • Author by Jose4 (February 02, 2011 8:11 am ET)
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                                      Who cares which god? Either you get your human rights from the cosmos or you get them from the government.

                                      If your rights come from the government then the government can take them away.



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                                      • Author by syrabell (February 03, 2011 1:30 am ET)
                                           
                                        If they come from god they can't be taken away??

                                        What I was suggesting is that there are many forms of religion just like there are many forms of government. I want to suggest that the rights of the people come from the people.
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                          • Author by mjlilgui (February 01, 2011 12:47 pm ET)
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                            What maniac? You're saying these people don't deserve a say in their government? Maybe even structured after our own government if they chose? I'm really not following your logic. Having a dictator is a good thing?
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                            • Author by Jose4 (February 01, 2011 4:18 pm ET)
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                              I am saying if you convert to mob rule without any ground rules you have a high probability of ending up with a maniac.

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                              • Author by yoiksaway (February 01, 2011 10:29 pm ET)
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                                "I am saying if you convert to mob rule without any ground rules you have a high probability of ending up with a maniac."--Jose4

                                Okay, be Secretary of State. Tell us, the U.S., and Egypt what to do.
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                      • Author by raddave43 (February 01, 2011 12:04 pm ET)
                           
                        Talk about making no sense! You suggest Hamas because Sunnis hate Shiites? WTF does that have to do with Egypt, who is mainly Sufi Islam?
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    • Author by yoiksaway (February 02, 2011 11:13 am ET)
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      So much is not known about the Egyptian power structure, the protests, the American/Egyptian diplomatic history and protocol, the balance of the secular and religious aspects of the culture...

      These pundits are just throwing stuff at the wall to see what sticks. Isn't it interesting to see that they have no cohesive message, no common set of talking points? They are rudderless, desperate to give Obama and his administration negative press, and they contradict one another constantly, alternately saying he should support or condemn Mubarak. Reality gets in the way. It's complicated, and they have no clue about leadership and diplomacy and international relations.
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