Right-Wing Media Claim Obama "Lost Egypt," But Can't Agree On Why
Right-wing media outlets have begun claiming that President Obama has "lost Egypt" due to his reaction to the unrest in that country. But they do not agree on whether Obama lost Egypt because he is too supportive of Egyptian leader Hosni Mubarak, is not supportive enough, or is doing something else wrong.
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Right-Wing Media Rush To Attack Obama For Supposedly Losing Egypt
Dick Morris: Obama Should Be Standing With Mubarak. From Dick Morris' January 30 syndicated column:
In the 1950s, the accusation "who lost China" resonated throughout American politics and led to the defeat of the Democratic Party in the presidential elections of 1952. Unless President Barack Obama reverses field and strongly opposes letting the Muslim Brotherhood take over Egypt, he will be hit with the modern equivalent of the 1952 question: Who Lost Egypt?
The Iranian government is waiting for Egypt to fall into its lap. The Muslim Brotherhood, dominated by Iranian Islamic fundamentalism, will doubtless emerge as the winner should the government of Egypt fall. The Obama administration, in failing to throw its weight against an Islamic takeover, is guilty of the same mistake that led former President Jimmy Carter to fail to support the shah, opening the door for the Ayatollah Khomeini to take over Iran.
The United States has enormous leverage in Egypt -- far more than it had in Iran. We provide Egypt with upwards of $2 billion a year in foreign aid under the provisos of the Camp David accords orchestrated by Carter. The Egyptian military, in particular, receives $1.3 billion of this money. The United States, as the pay master, needs to send a signal to the military that it will be supportive of its efforts to keep Egypt out of the hands of the Islamic fundamentalists. Instead, Obama has put our military aid to Egypt "under review" to pressure Mubarak to mute his response to the demonstrators and has given top priority to "preventing the loss of human life."
Obama should say that Egypt has always been a friend of the United States. He should point out that it was the first Arab country to make peace with Israel. He should recall that President Anwar Sadat, who signed the peace accords, paid for doing so with his life and that President Hosni Mubarak has carried on in his footsteps. He should condemn the efforts of the Muslim Brotherhood extremists to take over the country and indicate that America stands by her longtime ally. He should address the need for reform and urge Mubarak to enact needed changes. But his emphasis should be on standing with our ally. [Newsmax, 1/30/11]
Fox's Ralph Peters: Obama Risks Being On the Wrong Side Of History By Standing By Mubarak. In contrast with Morris, Fox News contributor Col. Ralph Peters (ret.) attacked Obama for not supporting anti-Mubarak protestors sufficiently. Peters urged Obama to get "on the right side of history":
PETERS: As far as empowering the Islamists, it's not Al Jazeera. They are just rebel rousers and opportunists. By continuing to support dictatorships in the Middle East, for short -- short-term stability, we -- we -- we will -- we kill ourselves long term because to talk -- to talk about yesteryear, the Shah always falls.
The dictator always comes down. And you want to be on the right side of history. Right now we're not.
O'REILLY: Yes but sometimes, Colonel, sometimes there is no right side. And -- and I think back to the El Salvador war that I covered in the early `80s. There were no good guys. Both sides were bad.
In Iran there were no good guys. You had the Ayatollah who has turned that country into -- probably the worst country on earth and you had the Shah, who is a human rights abuser.
So sometimes there isn't anybody to support. And I think that's what all the presidents from Richard Nixon on up have thought about Egypt after Sadat was killed. And Sadat, you know, he was a nut crazy guy, Mubarak took over and every president, liberal Jimmy Carter, liberal Barack Obama, ok, they have to play ball with them because the alternative is Islamists, that's who is in the wings.
PETERS: No, no that's who is in the wings, but whether or not the Islamists get the center stage depends on, partly on our actions. And Obama needs to get out front and center on this. He can't let his henchman Hillary Clinton or Robert Gibbs state it.
The Arab world and the Egyptians are listening. And Obama can't split the difference. This guy always wants to split the difference. There is a right side; that's the winning side.
(CROSS TALK)
O'REILLY: Ok but -
PETERS: And the winning side of history is the people. And we need to get on it. [Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor, 1/28/11, accessed via Nexis]
Washington Times Attacks Obama For Not Taking "Action" On Egypt Situation. From a Washington Times editorial:
The Obama team clearly was not ready for the events of the last few weeks and has abrogated any leadership role in resolving the turmoil in Egypt. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton summed up the feckless administration stance when she said Sunday, "We're not advocating a specific outcome." This is a lose-lose position for Mr. Obama. If the opposition takes over, it is no thanks to him, and America will have no legitimacy dealing with the new government. If Mubarak stays in power, his regime might rethink its ties to a faithless ally in Washington. Apparently incapable of shaping events, the White House is making a virtue of necessity. When the time calls for action, Mr. Obama sits on his hands.
Islamic extremists are giddy over the possibility of the region's largest pro-American domino falling. Liberal oppositionists are calling for a united front government with the Muslim Brotherhood, a compromise measure that will surely prove fatal when the current regime collapses and the moderates are left to face off with the extremists. Given the precedent set in Iran - as well as in the Russian and French Revolutions - the liberals will not last long. At that point, Mr. Obama will be even less capable of dictating a "specific outcome," even if he cared to try. The future could witness al Qaeda No. 2 and former Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood stalwart Ayman al Zawahiri making a triumphant return to Cairo.
The administration should immediately draw down the number of personnel in the U.S. embassy in Cairo. A hostage crisis may be the only part of this Carteresque rerun Mr. Obama can avoid. [Washington Times, 1/30/11]
Weekly Standard's Hayes: Obama Could Be "On The Wrong Side Of History" If He Backs Mubarak. On Special Report with Bret Baier, Weekly Standard senior writer Steve Hayes stated:
HAYES: It's a tough line the White House has to walk because the prospect of Muslim Brotherhood in power in Egypt is certainly discouraging. There is a risk the White House could end up being on the wrong side of history here with President Obama's remarks seeming to get the back of Mubarak even with his word about the protesters.
And just yesterday as the region is turning toward a messy democracy, you have the United States ambassador to sierra presenting his credentials to Basher Assad. [Fox News' Special Report, 1/28/11, accessed via Nexis]
Fox Nation: "Obama Will Go Down In History As The President Who Lost Egypt." Fox Nation posted a headline stating "Obama Will Go Down in History as the President Who Lost Egypt":
[Fox Nation, 1/31/11]
- Fox Nation linked to a Haaretz article with the same headline. From the article:
Jimmy Carter will go down in American history as "the president who lost Iran," which during his term went from being a major strategic ally of the United States to being the revolutionary Islamic Republic. Barack Obama will be remembered as the president who "lost" Turkey, Lebanon and Egypt, and during whose tenure America's alliances in the Middle East crumbled.
The superficial circumstances are similar. In both cases, a United States in financial crisis and after failed wars loses global influence under a leftist president whose good intentions are interpreted abroad as expressions of weakness. The results are reflected in the fall of regimes that were dependent on their relationship with Washington for survival, or in a change in their orientation, as with Ankara.
[...]
The street revolts in Tunisia and Egypt showed that the United States can do very little to save its friends from the wrath of their citizens. Now Obama will come under fire for not getting close to the Egyptian opposition leaders soon enough and not demanding that Mubarak release his opponents from jail. He will be accused of not pushing Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu hard enough to stop the settlements and thus indirectly quell the rising tides of anger in the Muslim world. But that's a case of 20:20 hindsight. There's no guarantee that the Egyptian or Tunisian masses would have been willing to live in a repressive regime even if construction in Ariel was halted or a few opposition figures were released from jail. [Haaretz, 1/30/11]
Fox's Kelly: "There Is Concern" That Obama "Could Go Down In History As The President Who Lost Egypt." Introducing a panel discussion on the situation in Egypt, Fox News host Megyn Kelly stated:
KELLY: Well the chaos in Egypt is creating a diplomatic dilemma for the United States. There is concern today that Mr. Obama could go down in history as the president who lost Egypt, a critical ally of ours in the Middle East, some comparing him to President Jimmy Carter who saw a pro-Western government in Iran fall to radical Islamists on his watch. Joining me now: K.T. McFarland, a Fox News national security analyst; Walid Phares, Middle East expert and author of The Coming Revolution: The Struggle for Freedom in the Middle East; and Bernard Whitman, former Bill Clinton pollster and a Democratic strategist. Panel, thank you so much for being here with me.
BERNARD WHITMAN (Democratic strategist): Thank you.
KELLY: So that -- I want to start with that, Walid, the question of could President Obama go down in history as the man, the president who lost Egypt, and what does that mean? [Fox News' America Live, 1/31/11]
Investor's Business Daily: "Obama Sure Picked A Foolish Place To Give A Community-Organizing Speech." From an Investor's Business Daily editorial headlined "Will Obama Lose Egypt?":
In 2009, the Egyptian daily Almasry Alyoum reported that President Obama secretly met in Washington that year with representatives of Egypt's jihadist Muslim Brotherhood, the Hamas ally that, while banned, dominates the opposition in the country.
Obama also chose Egypt as the locale for his ill-conceived Muslim outreach speech in June 2009.
As Newsweek's Jonathan Alter points out in his White House-friendly book on the president's first year, "The Promise," "Obama never said the words 'terrorism,' 'terrorist,' or 'war on terror'" in the speech, because "the t-word had become inflammatory to Muslims" and the "faster way to the hearts and minds of a Muslim audience was to talk about the tensions between Islam and the West in a different key."
Bet the president didn't think he was planting the seeds of today's protests in Egypt. But what does he expect when he goes to a country in a decades-long police-enforced state of emergency, with tens of thousands of political prisoners, and announces that "you must maintain your power through consent, not coercion"?
[...]
Embattled Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak was as afraid of real capitalism as of political dissent. The Heritage Foundation's latest Index of Economic Freedom gives Egypt poor marks despite recent "incremental reforms to liberalize the socialist economy."
Egypt's GDP growth fell markedly in the wake of the global financial crisis, and government corruption and the lack of a dependable rule of law in the economic sphere are factors that have kept poverty and unemployment painfully high -- poisonously mixed with political repression.
Even so, should Mubarak fall, there is real danger of the Islamic Brotherhood imperiling this U.S. ally. Barack Obama sure picked a foolish place to give a community-organizing speech. [Investor's Business Daily, 1/28/11]
Other Conservative Figures Praise Obama's Handling Of Egypt
Politico: Boehner And McConnell "Are Backing Obama's Cautious Approach." From a January 30 Politico article:
After months of pounding President Barack Obama on every front, Republican congressional leaders finally have found a reason to praise him -- his handling of the fast-moving crisis in Egypt.
But while House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) are backing Obama's cautious approach, rank-and-file lawmakers are increasingly concerned about the U.S.'s stance.
[...]
"The administration, our administration, so far has handled this tense situation pretty well," Boehner said. "Clearly, reforms need to occur in Egypt."
While Boehner was not asked directly about whether he would support Mubarak's replacement, an aide said he would have repeated the White House line -- now is not the time for American officials to be calling for a new leader. [Politico, 1/30/11]
John Bolton: Obama Administration Officials "Have Stated The Correct Position." John Bolton, the former U.S. ambassador to the United Nations during the Bush administration and a possible candidate for the 2012 Republican presidential nomination stated on Fox News that the Obama administration has "stated the correct position" on Egypt. From the January 31 edition of Fox News' America's Newsroom:
BILL HEMMER (co-host): How did you think the administration handled this over the weekend? Secretary of State Hillary Clinton was on all the talk shows on Sunday. How did she do?
BOLTON: Well, I think they've stated the correct position. It is a real mistake to believe we can toss aside a long-term ally that has brought peace and stability with Israel, a cornerstone of our strategic policy in the Middle East and not pay the consequences for it. By and large, I'd say the less said the better at this point. It's a very uncertain situation. I think the real work is going on behind the scenes. [Fox News' America's Newsroom, 1/31/11]
















You can't lose what you ain't got.
You can't miss what you ain't never had...
Fox News' lack of Credibility? It's what makes them feel Glad.
Megyn Kelly, Her Smile can get a "Rise" out of any Man, no Viagra needed.
The Truth? It just can't seem to Penetrate Megyn Kelly's Lips & it's the first to be impeded.
Speak truth to power.
Mr. News
"Hard Again" I such a great album.
And Winter is so wicked on that National steel...mmm.mmm.mmmmmmm!!!!!
But you are right, on november 4th 2008, the United States and Egypt first bumped into each other and decided to have a formal relationship as nation states. Before that we were vaguely aware that some county with some famous canal that wasn't Panama was situated in northern Africa and they had some dealings with Israel and other middle eastern states, but it was all kinda hazy.
I'm glad you reminded us that none of this started with Jimmy Carter, or that the United States hasn't been sending billions of dollars and military hardware to Egypt for years, and that there is NO WAY a popular uprising could have happened due to internal factors or because of the party in power having become allegedly corrupt and the proliferation of internet and cellular technology allowing the citizens to communicate and organize in ways impossible before.
I'm so glad Festus, that you can take a complex international issue, remove all the relevant information, and oversimplify it to fit into your hyper-partisan Obama derangement syndrome tainted worldview.
Thanks for proving yet again, that there is no issue the right wing cannot dumb down and turn into petty hate-filled gibberish.
I bet you wouldn't even know how to hang a door let alone provide "relevant information" so just don't go there.
Obama dumbs down most everything he touches.
1) He's the "Special Olympics" bowler, self admitted on national TV, true or not true?
2) He speaks before he has all the relevant facts, Cambridge police being stupid leading to the Beer Summit?
3) He didn't listen to Rev. Wright, right?
Aww, ye of such gullibility.
You are the one spouting gibberish. I'm just coming down to your level to sooth your Conservation hater syndrome.
Especially the Beer Summit one, but I suspect like most right wingers, he had decided the black guy was completely guilty and then partisan blinder blocked out any later information regarding the situation. Either that or since it would have made President Obama somehow come out "worse" had the homeowner been completely in the "wrong" then he may have put the truth blockers on at that point.
Festus also listened to that one minute clip of Rev. Wright over and over and over again, so he did the same thing he accuses President Obama of doing. Actually that was just irony to illustrate my point, I thought I better explain it since conservatives rarely seem to understand irony.
I think he is mistaking a poor choice of words in the use of "special olympics bowler" for dumbing down. President Obama was making a stab at self-denigrating humor, and chose a poor phrase.
This demonstrates to me that Festus doesn't really understand what we mean when we say conservative media is "dumbing down" the debate. Of course you can't expect someone who has been willingly dumbed down to understand that they have been dumbed down.
Some people like to think President Obama is the POTUS who 'freed Egypt'!!!!
Egypt-Israel Peace Treaty? Carter.
Military ties between Egypt and the United States? Carter.
Training of Egypt's top military officers over these decades? Carter.
I in turn am remiss if I don't mention much of the spadework for the above was put in by President Nixon's Administration...
That ache in my knee, ouch, is also Obama's fault.
It was foggy today. I blame that on the president too.
So, you speak for the rest of the sheep when you state "we"?
Baaaaad idea speaking for the flock.
-lost war in Vietnam
-H1N1
-Halo ODST
-poison snakes
-drought in Africa
- blah...blah...blah...
I think they are going to start calling him Azazel, the proverbial scapegoat.
It is sad to see a President that has tried to improve teh situation both domestically and abroad, get blamed for everything by the rightwing.
I guess the people on the rightwing are not patriots, they only like to pretend and pay lip service.
I guess the people on the right like to talk about Freedom and liberty, but only for themselves.
The lies and myths of the right are simply food for the weak minded sheep we are breeding in droves.
Ahhh the Lords of Illusion
Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!!!
President Obama's reaction has been cautious and rational. I doubt a republican President would have or could have done anything different to achieve a more positive result thus far.
The only question I have, is if things resolve themselves for the better as this developing situation plays out, is not IF but HOW the right wing punditry will backpeddle on their assessment.
Phase 1: ignore that they predicted something that didn't happen.
Phase 2: if confronted, deny that they said it. (example: Fox's Kelly denying that anyone at Fox throws around Nazi imagery)
Phase 3: if denial doesn't work, say that what they said is not what you think they said. (Hannity giving "context" to his Nazi imagery)
Phase 4: if you prove that what they said was what they meant, they will say it was a joke or satire, that they weren't serious and why don't you understand that?
Phase 5: Continue to ignore it.
Please add whatever you like. We really need a canonical list of Fox's denial templates. I say templates because you can pretty much fill in the blanks for whatever it is that Fox folks want to deny.
George W. Bush was no FDR, but Barack Obama could be.
That's the verdict of 238 of the nation's leading presidential scholars, who - for a fifth time - rated Franklin Delano Roosevelt the best president ever in the latest Siena College Research Institute poll.
In office for barely two years, Obama entered the survey in the 15th position - two spots behind Bill Clinton and three spots ahead of Ronald Reagan.
Obama got high marks for intelligence, ability to communicate and imagination, but his score was dragged down by his relative lack of experience and family background.
"Most of the presidents came from elite backgrounds, and he certainly did not," said professor Douglas Lonnstrom, who crunched the numbers. "He grew up without a father."
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2010/07/01/2010-07-01_barack_obama_is_among_best_presidents_ever__george_w_bush_not_so_much_say_schola.html#ixzz1CkyUMtkq
Sounds to me like there are at least 238 "scholars" that should be grading midterms and finals instead of wasting precious tuition money on who's the best President.
"In office for barely two years, Obama entered the survey in the 15th position - two spots behind Bill Clinton and three spots ahead of Ronald Reagan."
And Obama got the Nobel Prize, yet he couldn't even get the Olympics for Chicago. Shows what he really can do doesn't it? The Windy City lost tons-o-cash. Oops!
"Most of the presidents came from elite backgrounds, and he certainly did not," said professor Douglas Lonnstrom, who crunched the numbers. "He grew up without a father."
The self admitted special olympics (on Leno) president got high marks for intelligence, ability to communicate and imagination?
Plus he gew up without a father?
Sounds more like 238 crackheads than scholars.
Sounds like he was crunching the white stuff on the mirror.
He grew up without a father. What about his (white) grandparents that raised him? Hmm? They get no points on the Richter scale?
Sheesh!
Secondly, I guess from now on we can be assured you won't be falling for the "influenced by his socialist Muslim Kenyan father" smears anymore. It doesn't suit your argument here, I should hope in the future it will continue to do so.
Third, being ranked 15 of 44 isn't all that great, and being early in his presidential term probably helps with that. Personally, if I were one of the professors doing the rankings, I wouldn't have included the current sitting president.
Fourth, who cares really? A bunch of Professors got together and ranked Presidents. It means nothing more then just a little side "item of interest" and bears no relevance to any substantive debate. Your outrage and contempt is really overblown here.
I am sorry to inform you Ms. Kelly, but Egypt doesnt belong to us. Second, it isnt lost or even hard to find, unless you use faux news maps, then you would be in Iraq looking for Egypt. For your information, Egypt is that big copuntry just eats of Lybia and north of the Sudan, if you cant find it, but it isnt lost.
You beat me to it! The only folks who "lost" Egypt are at ClusterFox - The GNoP Pac.
Since the right wing nutz don't understand history, they can't be expected to see that thirty years of history - or fifty, or 100 - has results that can happen at any moment.
And, of course, nothing in Egypt is lost yet...
Egypt is that big country just east of Libya and north of the Sudan, if you cant find it, but it isnt lost."
If you cant spell, dont com to these forumms!
/snark
Isn't that an ethnic food place there in DC?
I heard Reagan went there and wanted everything well done but the order came back rare. It seemed to satisfy though, for several years.
I can't seem to find Lybia?
http://crooksandliars.com/nicole-belle/example-2439329-why-watching-fox-news#comments
Nothing gets past you congrero! ;)
I usually don't pull the spelling cop here, but that one post had soooooo many targets. Just couldn't help myself.
All well deserved jabs aside...we really do need a limited edit feature here. It would help clean up the threads.
Although the consequences of such an activity would be rather interesting for a week, I'd wager.
This "Who lost Egypt?" thing is clearly above her paygrade.
Obama can certainly connect.
How many voters were added to the rolls in 2008 just to support Obama?
How many Hollywood stars sang in that "Yes, We Can" video?
How many Americans contributed to the most successful political fundraising endeavor of all time, Obama's 2008 campaign?
How many people flooded the National Mall during Obama's inauguration?
Obama's very reason for winning the presidency was that he connected -- in a big way.
Hie problem is that he did nothing with this connection. Having won the office, he's turned away from his base and his campaign platform, contented himself with doing what Republicans want and calling it bipartisanship.
Candidate Obama did, indeed, connect in a big way. He ran a brilliant campaign, no question. He has also, if you look at initiatives undertaken successfully, been a good chief executive, especially considering that he's saddled with a fanatic, rather than loyal opposition. That said, he's been less than successful at communicating his agenda. The Republicans have controlled the narrative regarding health care and most of what he's accomplished.
He has also been a disappointment to his base, no doubt about it, continuing Bush policies we were sure he'd change, and caving in on many issues, such as the Public Option. He seems have gone out of his way, as did Clinton, to work with Republicans, who have no intention of working with him.
I don't blame Biden for Obama's failure to be a real progressive. It is actually something I feared before he was elected, given his University of Chicago background. I blame Biden for not taking on the Republicans publicly.
Obama can't do that with the arrogance FDR did, because then he becomes the "angry black man.
If I seemed to make a causal connection between working his way up and not connecting, I was writing very sloppily. I'll look at this tomorrow, if I have time. I wrote the last post on a break, clearing my roof of three storms worth of snow and ice, in preparation for more to come on the morrow. I'm exhausted, and am signing off.
If President Obama is "handicapped" by his "background" to the point that he can't lead, he should never have run for the office he now holds.
"I blame Biden..." seriously, I thought I had heard every excuse for Obama's failure to be a real progressive. That's an entirely new one.
Earth to You: Barack Obama is every bit the Progressive he wants to be. That's not much. He's essentially a Conservative Democrat in the pockets of the corporations that elected him (you don't believe he raised a billion dollars on the nickles and dimes of small contributors, do you? Please don't tell me you do!) He's not FDR because he doesn't have the soul or the vision of an FDR.
"He worked his way up" so he "can't connect"--- good lord, what some people will say to avoid the truth that is right in front of them. And that truth is: this guy won election on the wave of an electoral revolution, was handed huge majorities in both houses of Congress- and proceeded to meander and compromise and delay the opportunity right down the toilet.
And no, that is in no way Biden's fault. Cripes.
I think you could have used the Kennedys in your comment, the Bushes did have jobs prior to going into politics. Oh I forgot, Teddy was in the bar business. In fact he was in all of them in Mass and Palm Beach.
Our last President, George W. Bush got his start in the Texas Air National Guard where he went AWOL to work on political campaigns.
Then he was handed a bunch of sweet gigs reserved for the trust fund set, and he failed at just about all of them, only remaining to jump from one to the next because of the power and influence of his last name.
Then he went on to win the governorship of the most conservative state as the son of a former republican president with the help of the ever disingenuous Karl Rove.
Please, don't remind us...we suffered through eight years of the man who is the epitome of the elite privileged class.
Really? Bush was charged with being AWOL? Did you find the AWOL charge papers? OH, you found THE FEB papers?! You'll be a liberal hero and get to hobnob with the likes of Streisand, Moore, and Sarandon if you have!
BTW Gen. Turnipseed recanted his charge of Bush being AWOL. You see, he had a come to Jesus moment. If Bush was indeed AWOL, then Gen Turnipseed would have negligent in his duties by not pursing an Airman AWOL under his command.
The crown jewel to blow up your tired smear is that Bush was indeed Honorably Discharged. That is a hill the left just wont climb. Better to try and continue the lie.
As we've seen here today it worked on the sheeple. Keep up the yeoman's work Cool. The left is counting on thinking people like yourself!
In 2000, the Boston Globe examined a period from May 1972 to May 1973 and found no record that Bush performed any Guard duties, either in Alabama or Houston, although he was still enlisted.
According to military records obtained by The Washington Post, Bush first requested and received permission in May 1972 to be transferred to the Alabama National Guard so he could work on a U.S. Senate campaign. After he was in Alabama, he received notice from the Guard personnel center that he was "ineligible" for the Air Reserve Squadron he requested.
In August 1972, Bush was suspended from flying because he failed to complete an annual medical exam. A month later, Bush requested to be assigned to a different unit in Alabama and was approved. Although he was required to attend periodic drills in Alabama, there is no official record in his file that he did.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A7372-2004Feb2?language=printer
These were never explained and there are no records of his having taken his flight physical which would have immediately made him ineligble to fly and thus unable to fulfill his duties in the guard making him eligible for service in Nam like many others who didn't finish or dropped out of school. This was a cover-up and G. Bush most defitnitly did receive preferential treatment in not only getting into the Guard but also in his discharge.
"...As for Turnipseed, he says the crux is that it is really difficult to remember what happened more than 30 years ago..."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4242877/
Either Bush was transfered or he wasn't. There would be records,his suspension should be on record which Turnipseed said nothing about nor did he respond to the allegation that Bush didn't take his yearly flight physical. Turnipseed doesn't really have much to say about those charges and Bush has never answered them...this is a cover-up and one that would have and should have brought down his presidency as this phony was touted as some hero while the real hero was made to look like a coward. We were duped and you swallowed it hook line and sinker not so slickbones.
To add to that:
I admit this is just speculation and engaging in a bit of "conspiracy theory" on my part, but aside from the historical record, do you think it might be possible that AGAIN being the trust fund crowd son of a powerful republican family in Texas may have had anything to do with the discrepancies?
The right wing has swallowed wholesale and perpetuated lies and scandals about Presidents Clinton and Obama with far less evidence. I hope T-bone, that you are even quicker and more passionate about debunking the "birthers" and the lignering "Vince Foster murder" crowd.
Compare this to how basically Air America Radio came about to pound the "It's Bush's fault." trash or how MSNBC and CNN hounded his every word.
The president better buck up and do something worthwhile to stiffle his "critics." If not, it's going to be an endless two years of beer summits and apologies.
The ubiquitous equating of Beck and Olbermann as comparable "rage merchants", and-
The idea that the emotionalism of the Fox audience is a rejection of some imagined right wing pragmatism. From my lifetime of observation, it's the right who are most driven by feelings.
The "common" factor that resonated with me upon reading the "Geezer" article was how, in recent years, my ho-hum apolitical sons recognized my passion for reality in political discourse and for integrity in journalism. They admittedly found my ranting against Fox News a little overwhelming and somewhat off-putting. I have toned it down lately.
But I can live with that, because they both have opened their own eyes to realize the folly of ignoring the tpestry of politics that affects their lives. They have begun to see for themselves the recklessness of blindly following a single voice in any pursuit of understanding; and they are convinced to seek the truth rationally and on their own terms. And if it ends up that is my only legacy, then I could do a lot worse by them.
Oh yeah Andy, I'm with you on that right-wing pragmatism thing too ;-)
The difference was that those things KO was reporting were actual things that were happening, not the fevered hallucinations or wild speculation that GB focused on.
At his worst, I found Olbermann to be a little pompous or melodramatic, but even then his subjects were reality-based. If he was mad, it was usually in an "afflicting the comfortable" way, as opposed to Beck's anger, which was always directed at those who were challenging the status quo.
I get what you're saying about toning down the ranting. I live among a lot of right wingers, and don't fool myself that I'm going to change many minds of the faithful. I've been asked why I "hate" Fox.
I try to keep it light, maybe point out the lies with a joke, or by asking obvious follow-up questions to the wingnut talking points. If I can get a few Kool-Aid drinking GOPpers to at least think about things a little, that's good enough.
John Bolton: Obama Administration Officials "Have Stated The Correct Position."
These are fine as of Jan 30th. But today is the 31st and the marching orders are delayed because of the Koch bothers soiree in Palm Springs. You'll be hearing the correct talking points in the next day or two.
Actually, I think Fox is the one who lost Egypt. (Yes this is a real screen shot of their graphic.)
This is some real Breaking News.
Trolls never contribute. Please don't feed this one.
" Clearly points to map and shows President Obama that Egypt is still where it has always been. Down and to the left of Israel".
I'm still not sure how "Egypt" is lost? Have they established an Islamist Theocracy? Did a communist vanguard lead the revolution? Nothing is clearly written.
The reality is US foreign policy had been blinded by the fake "War on Terror". I'll have you note President Obama is dropping that term, because it was a lie anyway.
Egypt will likely still be our ally, no other country can really support them. Also, expect better relations with Iran in the next few years.
We are having to undue 8 years of negligent foreign policy. Bush/Cheney/Rice/Rumsfeld and Libby failed to maintain the regional balnces, they failed to engage in diplomacy in the region and they simply focused on the profits they could reap from their "Disaster capitalism".
Egypt will maintain its relations with Israel. We need to focus on establishing better relations with Iran to balance the region. Not to mention this would scare Saudi Arabia, which is not always a bad thing.
The fear mongers at Fox and on the right need you to be afraid, it is the only way to keep you distracted.
So Morris is basically saying that facts don't matter. It didn't matter that Truman and the Dems didn't lose China back then. It only mattered that they were able to be smeared. And apparently today it doesn't matter that Obama didn't actually lose Egypt.
Egypt is not a salfist country, or conservative. You should go to Cairo nightclubs...LMAO.
Anyway, they will have seats in any government, but they will not emerge as the defacto leadership.
This is real oppurtunity to improve our image with the Islamic world. The same can be said with Tunisia, thought they are less hmmm"Valuable". Egypt is going to act as counter to Iran for us. Well, they are one of a few candidates.
Anyway, this is an exciting oppurtunity.
Sounds like they are just a tad bit lower than the amount of admitted lib/progs in this country (20%)and yet Obama managed to beat Gramps in 2008 when surveys have conservatives around 40%.
Watch out...stuff happens!
Is Beck suggesting that because the demonstrators are all Marxists and Muslims the US should send in troops to support Mubarak? If so, I'm not sure that the Arab world will greet this with unanimous approval.
Is Ralph Peters suggesting that Obama should give material aid to the demonstrators? If so, how is this to be achieved and what does he think the reaction of the international community will be?
It is becoming increasingly clear that the right wing commentators on Fox and elsewhere actually actively wish for the US to be hated by the rest of the world, as it somehow proves in their eyes that the US is unique. Just as long as the President does something that the rest of the world will automatically reject, then the US has somehow shown "leadership" and "resolve" according to them.
Oh! It's the smell of numbers being pulled from one's nether orifices. Or it could be a side effect of full blown Obama derangement syndrome.
And the Muslim Brotherhood-they claim to nonviolence, a claim which is and should be scrutinized, but has not been evidentially rebuked. They have condemned Al Qaeda, and what I believe is more significant, Al Qaeda has condemned THEM, the Brotherhood, for forgoing violent jihad in favor of more political means of pursuing their interests.
Now go back to your masters and tell them you earned your nickel for posting that tripe.
But, nope. There's no Fox News conspiracy to disseminate false information. If there were then you'd hear the same talking points across the entire spectrum of right-wing media.
Instead we get people who hold similar political ideology differing on why Obama "lost Egypt". Whatever that means.
http://crooksandliars.com/nicole-belle/example-2439329-why-watching-fox-news#comments
And you honestly think Fox News labeled Iraq as Egypt on purpose? It was a mistake by some graphic guy. Whoever did it had a brain fart. It's not that complicated. Not everything Fox does has to be a calculated effort to deceive.
http://observers.france24.com/en/content/20080704-fox-news-doctors-photos-critical-journalists
I'm pretty sure if a channel is run by humans, innocent mistakes will be made.
http://mediamatters.org/research/200807020002
Time to switch to MSNBC and listen to their version of the "news".
The item is about an obvious pre-determined conclusion, obvious because, as shown, most of the right wing media arrive at that same conclusion no matter which path they take.
The zombies interpret this as their masters being criticized for disagreeing.
We're dealing with a cult.
Oh, I'm not whining about some technical glitch, because I'm talking about a pattern of how these party affiliations only seem to get reversed when a lesser known republican is caught in a scandal. Suddenly, they get a "D" behind their names.
They have been caught doing it a few times, and called out, so you don't see it happen much lately. I'm going to go out on a limb and say they only stopped doing so out of concern for being exposed and not out of a concern for accuracy.
Not when all of those opinions are unmitigated bullsh1t. If you're going to argue that they have the right to their opinion, fine. No one is trying to take that away. They're not being censored at all. But here's the thing - everyone else has the right to their opinions as well. We're just pointing out that these particular opinions of theirs have no substance, no basis in reality (those kinds of opinions do seem to be your favorite). If you disagree, perhaps you can explain how "Obama lost Egypt." You admit that you don't even know what that means, and yet here you are defending them just the same. It's bizarre.
But seriously these stories are just redundant and stupid,
First of all I think "Lost Egypt" means that he lost support from the Egyptian people for supporting Mubarak, or he lost support from Mubarak for supporting the protesters. It is not that hard to figure out what they meant by that.
Second, if Media Matters really wants to be the source for truth they will point out that all main stream media lies.
Do you honestly think ABC, Fox News, MSNBC, CNN, NBC, CBS, HLN, and all other "news" organizations tell us what is really going on in the world. Main Stream media has become nothing more than a tool to control the masses.
I am going to call you My clone.
Or are you just messing around, and trying to be Jokey Clone instead of Grouchy?
No, come to think of it, my assessment of you being just like grouchy smurf/clone is really appropriate. Thanks for challenging me to reassess my analogy and find that it was, in fact, quite sound.
Classic Becker here. It is so easy to figure out that you have not done it yet? Nice work. Let's hope you are doing satire.
Are you absolutely sure about that?
What you appear to be saying is that either Fox is criticizing Obama for supporting Mubarak or they criticizing him for supporting Mubarak's opponents. Doesn't that exactly prove the point that the article above is intending to make i.e. that they are criticizing him, no matter what?
Personally, I think your interpretation is a little daring as my immediate interpretation would be "Lost Egypt for the United States of America", which considering Fox's general attitude to the non-US rest of the world would appear to be the most likely explanation.
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Well for once, the right wing media has gotten a hint of variety into their position, they do however agree that no matter what, President Obama is "Damned if he does, and damned if he doesn't".
So at least they are in lockstep agreement that they will report anything President Obama does as a negative regardless of fact.
...Which is utterly astounding when you condier that our policy towards Egypt, which is what these people are protesting, hasn't changed one iota since it formented in teh CARTER administration, five Presidents ago! But... somehow this is still all Obama's fault.
This is why I say "racist" is a compliment, compared to the level of STUPID you'd need to articulate to explain these RW clowns.
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"There are new concerns that MISTER Obama could go down in history as the the President who lost Egypt."
Who is raising those concerns other than Megyn Kelly and FOX NEWS?
Do these FOX folks ever attribute statements starting with "There are new concerns" or the all time favorite "Some say..." to anyone in particular?
I could just easily state "There are new concerns that Megyn Kelly and FOX NEWS are spies for North Korea. Some say that Megyn Kelly's real name is Sun Moon Kelly and that she is secretly married to Osama Bin Laden."
http://www.thedailyshow.com/
I find it interesting that Media Matters whole purpose in life is to find falsehoods reported by the "Conservative" media, as if liberal or progressive news medias are always 100% true and accurate. The reality is that there is no media outlet that gives us 100% truths. Just like politicians are lying, cheating power grabbing bastards, regardless of their political party.
From Al Jazeera:
From US media:Iranian governmnent suports the Egyption people
Muslim Brotherhood refuses to negotiate with government
Sen Kerry wants Murback out
Government in Jordan falls
US State dept orders US citizens out of Egypt
China brings in evacuation flights for its citizens
Turkish PM backs Egypt protesters
Its snowing
Mubarak speach not fulfill the demands of protesters.
He is going to Fall down.
Mubarak were ready to step down but US president Barack Obama and Israeli PM providing the political support to Mubarek till Next election which is not acceptable for Egypt's nation said "International Mediator" Faisal Muhammed.
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The Saudis fund Al Quaeda, wahabism and the madrassas in order to keep their own people distracted -- misdirecting their anger toward the US and Europe on cultural issues, while it is the distorted Saudi economy they should be addressing.