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Beck's "Apocalyptic" Egypt "Hysteria" Triggers New Round Of Conservative Condemnation

February 06, 2011 3:25 pm ET — 111 Comments

Bill Kristol and other media conservatives have recently denounced Glenn Beck for using "hysteria" and "apocalyptic conspiracy terms" in his commentary about the uprising in Egypt. This is the latest case in which Beck's violent rhetoric and conspiratorial fearmongering have triggered criticism from Republicans and right-wing media figures.

Republicans And Media Conservatives Criticized Beck For "Hysteria" Over Uprising In Egypt

Kristol: Beck Is "Marginalizing Himself" Through His "Hysteria." In his February 14, 2011, column for the upcoming edition of The Weekly Standard, Fox News contributor Bill Kristol wrote of Beck's reaction to the Egyptian protests:

Now, people are more than entitled to their own opinions of how best to accomplish that democratic end. And it's a sign of health that a political and intellectual movement does not respond to a complicated set of developments with one voice.

But hysteria is not a sign of health. When Glenn Beck rants about the caliphate taking over the Middle East from Morocco to the Philippines, and lists (invents?) the connections between caliphate-promoters and the American left, he brings to mind no one so much as Robert Welch and the John Birch Society. He's marginalizing himself, just as his predecessors did back in the early 1960s. [The Weekly Standard, 2/14/11]

Lowry: Kristol's Criticism Of Beck's "Wild Theorizing" Is "Well-Deserved." In a February 5, 2011, post to National Review Online's The Corner blog, Rich Lowry wrote:

Bill Kristol has an editorial on conservatives and Egypt. He takes a well-deserved shot at Glenn Beck's latest wild theorizing:

...hysteria is not a sign of health. When Glenn Beck rants about the caliphate taking over the Middle East from Morocco to the Philippines, and lists (invents?) the connections between caliphate-promoters and the American left, he brings to mind no one so much as Robert Welch and the John Birch Society. He's marginalizing himself, just as his predecessors did back in the early 1960s. [NRO's The Corner, 2/05/11]

Fund: Beck's Use Of "Apocalyptic Conspiracy Terms" In Egypt Commentary "Goes Too Far." During the February 6, 2011, edition of CNN's Reliable Sources, Wall Street Journal columnist John Fund said of Beck's Egypt commentary:

Look, Glenn Beck is a commentator, and I think that part of his analysis is accurate. Look, we have to remember that the Iranian regime when it collapsed was going to be a democracy, then it was hijacked by Islamic extremists and we're still dealing with them 30 years later and their nuclear weapons. And obviously Europe has a lot more to worry about - you know, by 2030, 9* percent of Europe is going to be Muslim. But to carry that and take it into apocalyptic conspiracy terms about America becoming Islamic state that goes too far, and I think if Glenn Beck had to do it over again, he might rethink that. [CNN, Reliable Sources, 2/06/11]

Report: "Prominent Republicans Have Approached" Murdoch And Ailes About Beck's "Potential Embarrassment." In a February 5, 2011, post to Time magazine's Swampland blog, Joe Klein wrote:

Today, (hat tip/Ben Smith), we have Bill Kristol sticking with the demonstrators and calling out free-range lunatic Glenn Beck, for his hilarious commie-muslim caliphate delusions. This is not unimportant. Kristol lies very close to the throbbing heart of the Fox News sensibility. And I've heard, from more than a couple of conservative sources, that prominent Republicans have approached Rupert Murdoch and Roger Ailes about the potential embarrassment that the paranoid-messianic rodeo clown may bring upon their brand. The speculation is that Beck is on thin ice. His ratings are dropping, too--which, in the end, is a good part of what this is all about. But I wouldn't be surprised if we saw a mirror-Olbermann situation soon. [Time's Swampland, 2/05/11]

Conservative Media Denounced Beck's False Attacks On Soros And His Focus On Jewish Figures

Atlantic's Jeffrey Goldberg: Beck Engages In "Anti-Semitic Dog-Whistling." In a January 18, 2011, post to The Atlantic, national correspondent Jeffrey Goldberg wrote:

It's become clear to me that the Fox commentator Glenn Beck has something of a Jewish problem. Actually, he has something of a modernity problem, and people with modernity problems tend to have problems with Jews, who more or less invented modernity (Einstein, Marx, Freud, Franz Boas, etc.)

This is not, by the way, a post about Beck's singular obsession with George Soros (read Michelle Goldberg -- not a relative, except in an all-Jews-are-conspiring-against-Glenn-Beck sort of way -- on this subject). This is a post about Beck's recent naming of nine people -- eight of them Jews -- as enemies of America and humanity. He calls these people prime contributors to the -- wait for it -- "era of the big lie." The eight Jews are Sigmund Freud; Edward Bernays, the founder of public relations, and a nephew of Freud's (which Beck discloses as if this had previously been a secret); Soros, of course; Cass Sunstein, now of the White House; the former labor leader Andy Stern; Walter Lippman, who is no longer here to defend himself; Frances Fox Piven, who Beck believes is "sowing the seeds" of revolution; and, of all people, Edward Rendell.

It is fair to ask if Beck knows that these people are Jewish (It is not widely-known that Rendell is Jewish, I think). But Beck is a smart person, and has researchers at hand with access to Wikipedia. Further, most of these people on Beck's "big lie" list are already the targets of straightforward attacks in the dark, anti-Semitic corners of the Web, so an extended Google search, in some cases, would show that much of the opposition to some of these people is motivated by anti-Semitism. That said, Beck has not crossed a certain line, by identifying his targets openly as Jewish. Nevertheless, this, to me, is a classic case of anti-Semitic dog-whistling. Beck is speaking to a certain constituency, and the thought has now crossed my mind that this constituency understands the clear implications of what Beck is saying. [The Atlantic, 1/18/11]

Editor-In-Chief Of Libertarian Reason Magazine: "Beck's Ridiculous Misreading of George Soros ... Sets Back The Cause Of Human Understanding." In a November 12, 2010, post on Reason's blog Hit & Run, headlined "Glenn Beck's Ridiculous Misreading of George Soros Might Not Be As Inappropriate As Busting a 14-Year-Old's Balls for How He Behaved During the Holocaust, But It Still Sets Back the Cause of Human Understanding," Editor-in-Chief Matt Welch condemned Beck's false attacks on Soros:

First and foremostly, having lived in Soros' home town of Budapest for three years, plus another five in Prague and Bratislava (and an abortive, short-term attempt to "move" to Cuba), I have become convinced beyond the shadow of a doubt about this one thing: As a native son of the free world you can and damn well should cheer a person who acted bravely in the face of a pervasive and murderous totalitarian state, but with the exception of the monsters who willfully abused power there, you had better err massively on the side of reticence before casting negative judgment on the compromises that captive citizens made under a pressure we literally cannot fathom. This goes doubly for pubescent kids, and off the freakin' charts when it comes to a 14-year-old Jew in Jew-butchering Hungary in 1944 trying to stay alive. I would think that this would be a common-sense thing, but I am constantly surprised by how quickly people are willing to toss decency and basic rationality out the window when discussing a hate figure from the other team.

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So Beck isn't blaming or questioning the 14-year-old, he just thinks that the 14-year-old's actions were worthy of regret, and quite possibly the source of later behaviors--including some directed at Israel--that are wrong-headed and dangerous. Glad we cleared that up!

Beck's critics are describing his characterizations of Soros' wartime activities as factually incorrect; scanning through these links I'm inclined to agree. But even if the descriptions were 100 percent accurate and proportional, I would find the passage above appalling on a basic human level. There is a palpable whiff of suggestion that 14-year-old George Soros not only enjoyed "helping send the Jews to the death camps" (another Beck formulation from this week), but that he still lights up with mirth at the thought of the idea six decades later, perhaps explaining why he hates Israel to this day. It is a hint and a nudge that the hunted teenage Jew might have been and maybe still is an anti-Semite. Not only are we passing over the only real emotional response appropriate for a 14-year-old Holocaust survivor--bottomless, uncomprehending sympathy for the traumas he and so many other children went through--we are passing negative judgment on his actions under fire, and using it as a Rosetta Stone to explain his darkly nefarious afterlife.

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Soros is a fascinating, deeply flawed, and (IMO) quite wrongheaded major actor on the world stage. He is also not hard to get a basic read on, since he writes books constantly and is forever talking about his own thought processes, life histories, and conclusions. You want to learn about this important figure? Go read a book. But not by Glenn Beck. [Reason's Hit & Run, 11/12/10]

Neoconservative Commentary Magazine's Tobin Decried Beck's Attacks On Soros As "Off-Limits" And "Offensive." On November 12, 2010, Commentary's Jonathan S. Tobin wrote:

On the broadcast, [Beck] spoke of Soros's activities during the Nazi occupation of Hungary in 1944 and described him as participating in the rounding up of Jews. "Here's a Jewish boy sending Jews to the death camps," said Beck. While Beck added that Soros's age and the circumstances should be taken into account and said that even he didn't know what he would do had he been there, the clear implication was that Soros was a collaborator who should feel remorse.

But whatever actually happened, as even Beck stated, Soros was just "surviving" an impossible situation, and it is simply inadmissible for anyone to speak in a judgmental fashion about his conduct or to demand "remorse." Beck is no position to pontificate about the conduct of Holocaust survivors and should refrain from even commenting about this subject. In fact, Soros has himself discussed his experiences openly, and most of what we know about this comes directly from him. Throwing these events in his face is, as Anti-Defamation League National Director Abe Foxman stated, "completely inappropriate, offensive and over the top." Such topics really must be off-limits, even in the take-no-prisoners world of contemporary punditry.

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Similarly, when Beck played a recording of Soros speaking of his efforts to undermine various governments, his listeners had to assume that it was part of some leftist conspiracy that he was funding. Beck left out the fact that what Soros was talking about was his Cold War-era funding of movements that sought to support anti-Communist dissidents in countries like Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Poland, and the Soviet Union. In other words, while Soros's current politics is abhorrent, he was one of the good guys when it came to the fight against Soviet Communism.

Political commentary that reduces every person and every thing to pure black and white may be entertaining, but it is often misleading. There is much to criticize about George Soros's career, and his current political activities are troubling. But Beck's denunciation of him is marred by ignorance and offensive innuendo. Instead of providing sharp insight into a shady character, all Beck has done is further muddy the waters and undermine his own credibility as a commentator. [Commentary, 11/12/10]

Media Conservatives Condemned Beck's Accusations That President Obama Is A "Racist"

Scarborough On Beck: "You Cannot Preach Hatred. You Cannot Say The President's A Racist." From the September 22, 2009, edition of MSNBC's Morning Joe:

SCARBOROUGH: You cannot say that the president of the United States, Mike Barnicle, hates all white people. You cannot call the president of the United States a racist. You cannot wallow in conspiracy theories as he did for about a month, suggesting that FEMA might be setting up concentration camps and going on Fox & Friends and saying, "I can't disprove it," and then wait a month. You can't stir up that type of hatred -- calling the president a racist.

BARNICLE: Yeah.

SCARBOROUGH: And then say, "I'm just a rodeo clown." Can I -- can I -- I've got an honor roll. We're gonna have a conservatives honor roll on this show.

BARNICLE: All right.

SCARBOROUGH: And trust me, you want to be on this honor roll. I know how these stories end. I always know how they end -- and I'm talking to you Mitt Romney, and I'm talking to anybody who wants to be president in 2012. You need to call out this type of hatred, because it always blows up in your face.

But yesterday, Pete Wehner, Karl Rove's political guy inside the White House -- brilliant guy, writes for Commentary. And we disagree on a lot, Pete and I do, but Pete came out yesterday and said Glenn Beck is bad for the conservative movement. We need more people doing that. You cannot preach hatred. You cannot say the president's a racist. You cannot stir up things that could have very deadly consequences. I was in Congress in 1995. I know where this can end. You can't do it, and then say, "I'm a rodeo clown." [MSNBC, Morning Joe, 9/22/09]

Former Bush Speechwriter Wehner: "The Role Glenn Beck Is Playing Is Harmful In Its Totality." In a post for Commentary magazine's Contentions blog, Peter Wehner stated, "Only recently have I watched portions of [Beck's] television program, as well as interviews with him, and heard parts of his radio program. And what I've seen should worry the conservative movement." He later added, "Some of Beck's statements -- for example, that President Obama has a 'deep-seated hatred for white people' -- are quite unfair and not good for the country." Wehner also stated, "And certainly some of the things Beck has done on his program are fine and appropriate. But the role Glenn Beck is playing is harmful in its totality." [Commentary, Contentions, 9/21/09]

Parker: Beck Is "Empower[ing] Racists." On the NBC-syndicated Chris Matthews Show, after host Chris Matthews played clips of Beck calling Obama a racist and Rush Limbaugh claiming that "in Obama's America, the white kids now get beat up with the black kids cheering," Washington Post columnist Kathleen Parker stated: "What Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh did in those two clips is to empower racists and to legitimize them. And so that's -- that's the shame and horror of what they're doing." [NBC, The Chris Matthews Show, 9/20/09]

Brooks: Beck Is "Race-Baiting." Also on The Chris Matthews Show, conservative New York Times columnist David Brooks said, "What Rush and Glenn Beck are doing, that's just race-baiting -- 100 percent, that's race-baiting." [NBC, The Chris Matthews Show, 9/20/09]

Politico's Roger Simon: Beck's Claim That Obama Is "Racist" Is "Repulsive." During the August 17, 2009, edition of Lou Dobbs' radio show, Politico's chief political columnist said:

I still gotta say, it's repulsive when national figures in the media say that Obama acts like Adolf Hitler, that he rules the same way Adolf Hitler does. It's just wrong. And when you say that President Obama has a deep hatred of white people -

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It was Glenn Beck. He said, deep hatred of white people and the white culture. First of all, the phrase 'the white culture' I think is jarring to some people. [United Stations Radio Networks, Lou Dobbs Show, 8/17/09]

The View's Hasselbeck: There Is "Danger In What [Beck] Said," And He Is Not "Able To Back It Up." On ABC's The View, co-host Elisabeth Hasselbeck said of Beck's "racist" comment: "There's danger in what he said, too. That was a bit sensationalist to go and say something like this. And I think whenever you throw that word out at somebody, you better be able to back it up. And he's not able to." [ABC, The View, 7/30/09]

Republicans And Media Conservatives Have Decried Beck's Violent Rhetoric, Conspiracies

Scarborough Slammed Beck's "Violent Rhetoric" In Wake Of Tucson Shooting. In a January 18, 2011, Politico column, Joe Scarborough wrote:

We get it, Sarah Palin. You're not morally culpable for the tragic shooting in Tucson, Ariz. All of us around the "Morning Joe" table agree, even if we were stunned that you would whine about yourself on Facebook as a shattered family prepared to bury their 9-year-old girl.

The same goes for you, Glenn Beck. You've attacked your political opponents with words designed to inspire hatred and mind-bending conspiracy theories from fans. Calling the president a racist, Marxist and fascist may be reprehensible, but it did not lead a mentally disturbed man to take a Glock to Rep. Gabrielle Giffords's "Congress on Your Corner" event.

Good on ya, buddy. You weren't personally responsible for the slaughter at the Safeway. Maybe you can put it on a poster at the next "Talkers" convention.

But before you and the pack of right-wing polemicists who make big bucks spewing rage on a daily basis congratulate yourselves for not being responsible for Jared Lee Loughner's rampage, I recommend taking a deep breath. Just because the dots between violent rhetoric and violent actions don't connect in this case doesn't mean you can afford to ignore the possibility -- or, as many fear, the inevitability -- that someone else will soon draw the line between them.

Actually, someone already has. When you get a minute, Google "Byron Williams" and "Tides Foundation" to see just how thin a layer of ice Beck skates on every day. [Politico, 1/18/11

Former Bush Speechwriter Frum: Beck Creates "Alternative Reality" Allowing Conservatives To "Dupe Themselves" Using "Pretend Information." In a November 12, 2010, New York Times op-ed, David Frum wrote:

Too often, conservatives dupe themselves. They wrap themselves in closed information systems based upon pretend information. In this closed information system, banks can collapse without injuring the rest of the economy, tax cuts always pay for themselves and Congressional earmarks cause the federal budget deficit. Even the market collapse has not shaken some conservatives out of their closed information system. It enfolded them more closely within it. This is how to understand the Glenn Beck phenomenon. Every day, Beck offers alternative knowledge -- an alternative history of the United States and the world, an alternative system of economics, an alternative reality. As corporate profits soar, the closed information system insists that the free-enterprise system is under assault. As prices slump, we are warned of imminent hyperinflation. As black Americans are crushed under Depression-level unemployment, the administration's policies are condemned by some conservatives as an outburst of Kenyan racial revenge against the white overlord. [The New York Times, 11/12/10]

Senator Gregg: Beck Is A "Screamer" Who Has "No Interest In The Facts." In a September 14, 2010, article on Politico, Ben Smith reported that then-Senator Judd Gregg (R-NH) chastised Beck as one of the primary "screamers" who he claimed unfairly "demonized" the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP):

Rammed through Congress in the final months of the Bush administration by a political and financial establishment that felt it had looked into the abyss, TARP had the support of not just President Barack Obama but also his likely foes in 2012, such as former Govs. Mitt Romney and Sarah Palin. But it has been only sporadically defended, or even explained, by leaders of both parties who have shown decidedly little courage of their convictions.

"It's become demonized on the left and the right by screamers -- Glenn Beck and Rachel Maddow -- who have no interest in the facts; they're just interested in hyperbolizing and generating attention," lamented New Hampshire Sen. Judd Gregg, a key player in guiding the measure through the upper chamber and one of the few Republicans willing to talk about TARP in positive terms. [Politico, 9/14/10]

Former Bush Press Secretary Fleischer: "I Find Glenn Beck To Be A Little Weird And A Little Creepy." In an August 28, 2010, post to his Facebook account, Ari Fleischer wrote:

I find Glenn Beck to be a little weird and a little creepy, but he's entitled to give a speech on the Mall. How come the press didn't go nuts when Louis Farrakhan and other out-there groups used the Mall to promote their thinking? It's called press bias and it's a double standard. [Facebook, 8/28/10]

NewsBusters' Whitlock Criticized Beck For "Play[ing] The Nazi Card." In an August 27, 2010, post to conservative media criticism blog NewsBusters, Scott Whitlock criticized Beck for "play[ing] the Nazi card" when condemning Good Morning America's segment on Beck's 8-28 rally, saying "it is over-the-top":

Good Morning America's Claire Shipman on Friday launched a pre-emptive one-sided attack on Glenn Beck's August 28 rally in Washington D.C., including selectively editing clips from the conservative host. The ABC journalist featured a snippet of Beck asserting, "Blacks don't own Martin Luther King." [MP3 audio here.]

On his radio show, Friday, Beck complained about the "hatchet job." Shipman clearly distorted the context. He actually said, "Whites don't own Abraham Lincoln. Blacks don't own Martin Luther King. Those are American icons, American ideas and we should just talk about character." (H/T to The Right Scoop and Noel Sheppard.)

Playing the segment on the radio, Beck hyperbolically declared, "That's what Goebbels did. The truth didn't matter." Now, while ABC should be criticized for the dishonest editing job, it is over-the-top to play the Nazi card. [NewsBusters, 8/27/10]

Weekly Standard's Continetti: "For Beck, Conspiracy Theories Are Not Aberrations. They Are Central To His Worldview." In a June 28, 2010, article in The Weekly Standard, Matthew Continetti wrote:

"Socialism and fascism," the author writes in Glenn Beck's Common Sense, "have been on the rise for two administrations now." Beck's book Arguing with Idiots contains a list of the "Top Ten Bastards of All Time," on which Pol Pot (No. 10), Adolf Hitler (No. 6), and Pontius Pilate (No. 4) all rank lower than FDR (No. 3) and Woodrow Wilson (No. 1). In Glenn Beck's Common Sense Beck writes, "With a few notable exceptions, our political leaders have become nothing more than parasites who feed off our sweat and blood."

This is nonsense. Whatever you think of Theodore Roosevelt, he was not Lenin. Woodrow Wilson was not Stalin. The philosophical foundations of progressivism may be wrong. The policies that progressivism generates may be counterproductive. Its view of the Constitution may betray the Founders'. Nevertheless, progressivism is a distinctly American tradition that partly came into being as a way to prevent ideologies like communism and fascism from taking root in the United States. And not even the stupidest American liberal shares the morality of the totalitarian monsters whom Beck analogizes to American politics so flippantly.

Read and watch enough Glenn Beck, and you realize that he is not only introducing new authors and ideas into public life, he is reintroducing old ideas. Some very old ideas. The notion that America's leaders are indistinguishable from America's enemies has a long and sorry history. In the 1950s it led Robert Welch, the head of the John Birch Society, to proclaim that President Dwight Eisenhower was a Communist sympathizer. For this, William F. Buckley Jr. famously denounced Welch and severed the Birchers' ties to mainstream conservatism. The group was ostracized for decades.

But not everyone denounced Welch. One author, the Mormon autodidact W. Cleon Skousen, continued to support the Birchers as he penned books on politics and the American founding. And Skousen continued to believe, despite all evidence to the contrary, that American political, social, and economic elites were working with the Communists to foist a world government on the United States.

Glenn Beck is a Skousenite. During the "We Surround Them" program, he urged his audience to read Skousen's 5000 Year Leap (1981), for which he has written a foreword, and The Real George Washington (1991). "The 5000 Year Leap is essential to understanding why our Founders built this Republic the way they did," the author writes in Glenn Beck's Common Sense. More controversially, Beck has recommended Skousen's Naked Communist (1958) and Naked Capitalist (1970), which lay out the writer's paranoid scenarios in detail. The latter book, for example, draws on Carroll Quigley's Tragedy and Hope (1966), which argues that the history of the 20th century is the product of secret societies in conflict. "Carroll Quigley laid open the plan in Tragedy and Hope," says a character in Beck's new novel, The Overton Window. "The only hope to avoid the tragedy of war was to bind together the economies of the world to foster global stability and peace."

For Beck, conspiracy theories are not aberrations. They are central to his worldview. They are the natural consequence of assuming that the world hangs by a thread, and that everyone is out to get you. [The Weekly Standard, 6/28/10]

Little Green Footballs' Johnson: Beck's "Show By Itself Should Have Been Enough To Thoroughly Discredit Beck To Any Sane Person." Conservative blogger Charles Johnson wrote on his blog, Little Green Footballs, "TIME Magazine's David Von Drehle asks: Is Glenn Beck Bad for America? I don't know why anyone would think a far right populist demagogue who rants and weeps in front of millions of people and spreads conspiracy theories straight out of the canon of the John Birch Society would be a bad thing." He continued: "The following show by itself should have been enough to thoroughly discredit Beck to any sane person. But the right wing didn't even blink at it." [Little Green Footballs, 9/17/09]

Frum: Beck Is Doing "Terrible Damage" With "Paranoid And Hysterical" Smears. In a September 11, 2009, blog post titled "GOP Surrenders to Beck's Mob Rule," Frum stated: "When Glenn Beck made his Fox debut, some shrewd conservatives responded with a wink. Maybe the show was paranoid and hysterical. Maybe Beck was none too scrupulous about facts and truth. But why be squeamish? The other side did as bad, or nearly. And see how usefully he mobilized the base! Those shrewd conservatives assumed Beck was working for them. Big mistake. Beck is working for himself -- and he chooses his targets according to his own scheme of priorities." In the blog post, Frum discussed Beck's smears against Obama administration official Cass Sunstein and stated: "Glenn Beck is not the first to make a pleasant living for himself by reckless defamation. We have seen his kind before in American journalism and American politics, and the good news is that their careers never last long. But the bad news is that while their careers do last, such people do terrible damage." [FrumForum, 9/11/09]

Former GOP Congressman Inglis: Beck Is "Trading On Fear," Viewers Should Turn Off His Show. At an August 6, 2009, town hall event, then-Republican Representative Bob Inglis (SC) said to attendees who watch Glenn Beck, according to a spokesman's comments to Politico's Ben Smith, "What I would suggest is turn that television off when he comes on." Rep. Inglis also accused Beck of "trading on fear." [Politico, 8/07/09]

*NOTE: This transcript has been edited for accuracy.

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    • Author by donaldmaddog5642 (February 06, 2011 3:51 pm ET)
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      "Marginalizing himself'???? beck hasn't visited this planet in a long time.
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      • Author by Listen (February 06, 2011 10:31 pm ET)
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        Both Glenn Beck and Jesse Ventura are capitalising on the popularity of conspiracy theories. Even the History Channel has a conspiracy theory series featuring Alex Jones. These greedy tv producers will show whatever makes them a profit. No wonder we have such a misinformed public. What scares me the most are all the former and current military who believe 9/11 was an inside job.
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        • Author by hypocritesRus (February 07, 2011 8:19 am ET)
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          Your second link doesn't show what you think it shows. It isn't the proper way of doing things if all you're going to do is bring false information and demand it to be factual. No where in that article does it say "most" or even a 'higher percentage of'.

          I have to admit, though, most democrats will provide just that kind of mis-information to promote their stance in any given discussion. As demonstrated here.
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          • Author by magnolialover (February 07, 2011 9:23 am ET)
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            Dear Traveller,

            You are here and I see you post quite a bit, always kevetching (OK, not always, but a lot) about how MMFA is providing liberal misinformation.

            Can you show us where this happens?

            You are right that his second link doesn't show that a higher percentage of people in the military believe that 9/11 was an inside job. I think that a vast majority think those 9/11 truthers are nuts. Bush and Co were WAY too incompetent to plan and pull off something like that.
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            • Author by hypocritesRus (February 07, 2011 9:35 am ET)
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              Sorry, my job is in another aspect of human living. If you want proof of mis-information coming from MediaMatters you can either go here and do your own research (like I do) or you can wait until I finish developing my web site.
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              • Author by bintx (February 07, 2011 9:42 am ET)
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                I'll be waiting with bated breath! LOL! What a joke!

                Oh, and btw, using the word "democrat" as a synonym for "liberal," as you appeared to do above is about as stupid as using the word "republican" as a synonym for "conservative." You, apparently, have no clue what either political ideology represents. Based on your posts supportive of Fox and Beck, I'm thinking that you probably are not a conservative at all, just a groupie. Nothing conservative about Fox or Beck.
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                • Author by NoTrueScotsman (February 07, 2011 10:08 am ET)
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                  Welcome back.
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                  • Author by bintx (February 07, 2011 11:37 am ET)
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                    Just temporary for a while. My father is being placed in Hospice today and I'm trying to work a little. Not very successfully. Two weeks of CCU, he just needs to be allowed to go in peace.

                    Thanks for the welcome back.
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                  • Author by dwbat (February 08, 2011 1:05 pm ET)
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                    It has been a while... my thoughts go to your father, palliative and hospice care can leave much to be desired. I hope his remaining time is as comfortable as possible.

                    Brian
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                • Author by kamrom (February 07, 2011 2:59 pm ET)
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                  The list of political ideologies the right is confused about is only the tip of the iceberg. Their leaders find it useful for their drones to be scared. Thats why the right never does things like ban abortions when its in charge; then their minions would stop voting, since the rightwing has this amazingly predictable overconfidence every time they win even the smallest race. Their huge hyperbole will only make it sting more.

                  They dont ban abortions. They dont really ban gay marraige, they failed on keeping DADT in place, they dont reform congress' rules. Hell, they arent even going to fix the country, instead raising the deficit more (as the new speaker of the house promised the day after his election (Ha-Ha, by the way) and ignoring all our real problems to attack imaginary rightwing boogeymen.

                  Because then they can just keep blaming us and get their cadre of fanatics out to the polls to vote for something that is deemed utterly void and unconstitutional a week later (this happens like, 15 times a cycle at least.)

                  Dont expect to see your precious ideals enacted, republicans. Your *cough* "Leaders" aren't going to. They'll keep you teetering and huffing mad on the edge, for as long as they possibly can, sapping every scent out of your drained husk.

                  Why do you insist on helping them find the vein faster?
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              • Author by NoTrueScotsman (February 07, 2011 9:45 am ET)
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                The first time you used the link, I admit, it was kind of humorous. While I may not agree, I still had to think to myself, "Well played, sir/ma'am, well played." The second time it was sort of like the guy who thinks his joke is hilarious so he says it until it isn't funny any more.

                Back to the topic at hand, I'm on the happy side about this article. Beck is creating a force for confusion and paranoia which is going to drive people away from the conservative moment in the long run, and the sooner he becomes yesterday's news the better.
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              • Author by kamrom (February 07, 2011 2:51 pm ET)
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                o/~ Hey There, Beckie-Boy, You Will Be Forgotten In No Time o/~
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            • Author by daymorris (February 07, 2011 11:45 pm ET)
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              not true. They were incompetent trying to cover the lies that the public needed to know. bush was planning to invade iraq when he was still governor. Daddy Bush had all the right connections to the CIA and could document any false info. The Pentagon had always planned to use remote planes since the 60s. No airplane wreckage. No invesigation by the FBI done by GW Bush with his l199i document that forbit the FBI from investigating the crashes. Why did Bush forbid the FBI from investigating? 2 planes with no passenger windows and a large black object on its underbelly. Too many questions. Bush waits 7 minutes after he is told that planes are attacking? 9/11 timeline has too many gaps that bring up questions. I like the audiorecording where Rumsfield is talking of a new Pearl Harbor to invite aggression to make military contracts on You Tube.
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          • Author by AMAZON (February 07, 2011 9:44 am ET)
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            You reply doesn't address the point you think it does.

            Listen: "What scares me the most are all the former and current military who believe 9/11 was an inside job."

            It isn't the proper way of doing things if all you're going to do is misread posts and then erect an strawman argument.
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            • Author by kamrom (February 07, 2011 3:09 pm ET)
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              Know what scares me? That there are white supremacists and neo-nazis welcomed with open arms into the army, courtesy of the Bush Bottom of the Barrel Squad, while whining about LGBT people who have been serving for years.

              It scares me a bit to think about the commitment of those soldiers too. I mean, they do something that no one on the right has ever had to do..Not only do the talking heads not have any military service under their belt, they used lame connections and skirted duty when their country called. And now they have the gall to call us awful names.

              At least we were honest when we were decrying them. We opposed the draft; they didnt. Just more right wing exceptionalism, ignored by the same people who think John Kerry didnt earn his medals.

              So the cowards on the right went hiding. Look at today, in contrast. Despite actively being persecuted, despite having to hide everything about their loved one (no contact, no military therapy for the partner of a combat zone soldier, no support groups, not even phone calls or letters, and knowing that the partner wouldnt be informed if the worst happend.)

              It scares me that they would go to such an extent because of how strongly they felt that this country could be great. It scares me cause they were willing to die, literally, to defend the rights of jerks like Beck and his ilk to say these monstrous, nasty things.

              It really scares me, the level of commitment and integrity and bravery that shows. I don't think I would have it in me. But it must terrify the right even more: They spend so much time whining at us, when its clear the LGBT soldiers are far and away more honorable than the rightwing clowns.

              The rightwing is full of nothing but hate, and lies. Anyone thats different. Everyone whos an easy target. Thats who they go after. They hate a fair fight.

              But we are on the side of what is just and we know it. So do they. And we win a new round every day.
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              • Author by onementalgiant (February 08, 2011 11:23 am ET)
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                ".......the army, courtesy of the Bush Bottom of the Barrel Squad,....."

                Another fine example of a leftist who appreciates our military.

                "We opposed the draft; they didnt."

                Proud of your draft dodging days kanrom? How much time did you spend up in Canada while someone else died in your place in VN?

                "......no support groups, not even phone calls or letters,......"

                WTF are you talking about? As many of your friends here on MMFA would say, you are lying.

                ".........when its clear the LGBT soldiers are far and away more honorable than the rightwing clowns."

                Anyone serving is equally honorable. You are sick.

                "The rightwing is full of nothing but hate, and lies. Anyone thats different. Everyone whos an easy target. Thats who they go after. They hate a fair fight."

                And your message is not hateful, and lies. OK, we get it.
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                • Author by CoolSlaw (February 08, 2011 1:48 pm ET)
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                  *yawns*
                  onementalgiant:

                  "I know you are but what am I" and "I'm rubber, you are glue..." do not count as legitimate adult arguments.

                  On that note, "Nuh-uh" may express the depth of your sentiment, but it does not bring anything useful to the debate.

                  Thanks.
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          • Author by angels4light (February 07, 2011 10:25 am ET)
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            Traveller, if you read what Listen wrote, he or she stated "what scares me the most". He or she did not claim that most former and current military believe 9/11 was an inside job.
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          • Author by mari2jj (February 08, 2011 3:12 pm ET)
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            Actually, Republicans have no room to castigate Democrats. With the gigantic distortions of Beck, BillO, Hannity et al, our party should be careful about discussing Democrats and distortions. In the end, these whole racist, hate filled rantings, along with the distortions and interruptions of Obama by BillO all show our party as being prone to lie by distortion. And that is still a plain old, garden variety LIE! Republicans have seemed to have lost their way since the election of President Obama. Our party needs to face up to the disgusting crude behavior and racism towards our President that has been pushed by these far right people.
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          • Author by mikehuck1976 (February 08, 2011 5:35 pm ET)
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            "Your second link doesn't show what you think it shows. It isn't the proper way of doing things if all you're going to do is bring false information and demand it to be factual. No where in that article does it say "most" or even a 'higher percentage of'" - Traveller

            Oh, Traveller, don't you ever get tired of making a fool of yourself? Where in Listen's post did it say that "most" or even a "higher percentage of" former or currentr military believe 9/11 was an inside job? He clearly posted that what scares him most are all of the former and current military who believe such nonsense. Nothing about "most" or even "a higher percentage of". And you actually had the idiocy to put those words in quotes! Very, very sad.

            Even for you, that is a little pathetic. You do provide a service for Listen, though, by displaying the very misinformed public that he was writing about.
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        • Author by SargeNKaty (February 07, 2011 10:05 pm ET)
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          Interesting perspective on the "facts" presented by Glenn Beck. This reminds me of an old saying, "Don't confuse me with the facts".
          I don't know about the rest of you, but if you look up the information Glenn presents and follow the logic. I think he presents a pretty good case.
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          • Author by CoolSlaw (February 08, 2011 2:08 pm ET)
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            I think if you follow Media Matters, and see how the information is laid out in plain, concise articles often using the actual video footage and transcripts of those being scrutinized, you will see a far stronger argument that Glenn Beck is a dishonest political hack.

            Following logic only works if you back that logic up with facts. Dig into the archives here and you'll see that Glenn back most often backs up his "logic" with lies, historical inaccuracies, and wild conspiracy theories.

            Beck's strongest point of his zany conspiracy to link the "Calipahte?" and it's "cross continental islamic conquest?" to American labor and social activist groups is essentially that both socialists(note that labor unions and most others he talk about are not even close to socialism) and the islamic groups he cites is because according to him they both have an agenda that suppresses the individual for the good of their particular state.

            That's it...that's all he has. Guilt by flawed insinuation. You call that logic? Almost anything can be linked to nefarious intentions by his standards.

            Try this ridiculous Beck-logic:

            Ronald Reagan was a charismatic and fiercely nationalistic public speaker who came to power during a period of economic downturn.

            Know who else was a charismatic and fiercely nationalistic public speaker who came to power during a period of economic downturn? Hmm? Hitler!

            So by using nothing more then the "logic" Beck uses to connect revolutionaries in Egypt to American Unions, you could link Ronald Reagan to Hitler. In fact, he erroneously claims the unions are "socialist", so he actually makes an even more ridiculous argument then the nonsense one I just made for demonstration purposes.

            Please think about that the next time he starts making his wild conspiracy theories with only his "logic".
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          • Author by mikehuck1976 (February 08, 2011 5:37 pm ET)
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            Really? Well, this should be easy then Sarge. Break it down for us. Exactly who are all of these players he keeps bringing up (Van Jones, Code Pink, Cloward, Piven, Black Panthers(?!), Hamas, Muslim Brotherhood), what are their obvious connections to each other, and what do they have to do with the riots happening in Egypt?
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            • Author by CoolSlaw (February 09, 2011 11:35 am ET)
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              I can answer that one Mikehuck1976, since Sarge likely won't be able to give you an honest answer.

              1)Glenn Beck creates definitions for these individuals and groups. He labels them as socialists, terrorists, Marxists, etc.

              2)Then using his definitions, he links them together by faulty word association. Example: Glenn Beck calls unions socialist (by his accusation only, no proof), then he calls Code Pink socialists (by his definition only, no proof).

              3)Then he pauses dramatically and says "See...see? See the connection?!?"

              That's pretty much it.
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        • Author by daymorris (February 07, 2011 11:33 pm ET)
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          and why do you think that is, Listen? Beck is an idiot like Limbaugh whos only way grb listeners is to scare them. If all the former and current military believe 9/11 was an inside job then maybe you havent heard what others have. See for yourself the time line of events that preceded the 9/11 and after and you will see a large discreptacy that makes Bush and his group a liar about what happened.
          Wikileaks and military personnel are going to expose Bush for his role in creating 9/11 whether you and every brain washed republican like it or not. Every american who lost a loved one in these faked fact wars deserves to know the truth.

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          • Author by onementalgiant (February 09, 2011 8:51 am ET)
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            "If all the former and current military believe 9/11 was an inside job then maybe you havent heard what others have."

            In accordance with the definition of lies here on the MMFA message boards, you are lying. Not that lying matters to Leftists anyway.

            BTW, get back on your meds ASAP daymorris. You know your doctors won't be happy with you skipping your pills.
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            • Author by congero6189599 (February 09, 2011 10:57 am ET)
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              Giant once again comes up short!
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            • Author by emzee (February 09, 2011 12:08 pm ET)
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              "Not that lying matters to Leftists anyway"????????

              Are you kidding me, Mentalamoeba?

              You Teabaggers are Kings of prevarication. You should be patented. Do you actually do any research before you pontificate on this site? I doubt it. I'm assuming you have a day job. The radio is tuned into the daily lineup of Beck, Limbaugh, Hannity, Levin. At night you sit and absorb every minute of FOX and probably have no problem resting your head on the pillow knowing that you've been given your "meds" for the day and can sleep soundly so you can rise another day and get another fix of Right Wing BS. See, the difference between MMFA and FOX is MMFA actually has respect for their audience. They don't just spew rhetoric. They use credible evidence. You know, like Video, Audio and print to substantiate their point. Your Wing Nut spokespeople need to lie on a daily basis the same as a meth addict needs another hit.

              You're a conservative apologist. That is why you can't keep your fingers off the keyboard; got to screw with the Lefties at MMFA. Must really suck to be in such denial. But please continue to participate. This is fun.

              Oh, since you claim to be a "mentalgiant" have you noticed (researched!) how prominent Republicans both in Congress and media are starting to realize that Beck, Palin and their ilk are slowly becoming persona non grata?
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        • Author by daymorris (February 07, 2011 11:33 pm ET)
             
          and why do you think that is, Listen? Beck is an idiot like Limbaugh whos only way grb listeners is to scare them. If all the former and current military believe 9/11 was an inside job then maybe you havent heard what others have. See for yourself the time line of events that preceded the 9/11 and after and you will see a large discreptacy that makes Bush and his group a liar about what happened.
          Wikileaks and military personnel are going to expose Bush for his role in creating 9/11 whether you and every brain washed republican like it or not. Every american who lost a loved one in these faked fact wars deserves to know the truth.

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        • Author by JW, Denver (February 09, 2011 1:27 pm ET)
             
          "...former and current military who believe 9/11 was an inside job."

          And Osama has the missing planes in his garage.

          That website reads like a great argument for congressional oversight of our nation's intelligence operations - like the CIA.
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      • Author by JimS (February 07, 2011 5:10 pm ET)
           
        Take away the usual stunts...all he was saying is are others, meaning people he doesn't like, who will take advantage of the possible absent of leadership. I gotta say..Code Pink runs a banner ad of the Muslim Brotherhood website? The BM wants to destroy Israel and KILL jews. That is MUCH more bothersome than Beck's props. Is this information correct? I hate to say it but you can be pro-Israel and pro-P Palestine. But if I side with a group that was the Final Solution be tried again...damn me,scream about me...the silence scares me a bit.
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      • Author by sociocrat (February 07, 2011 7:13 pm ET)
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        We live on Earth, the crazy right live on Venus and Beck is on Pluto. He is so far out there that faux airs the buffoons show via the Hubble telescope. He is beyond the margin. I can picture Glenn "I couldnt finish one term of college" Beck teaming up with Sarah "the quitter" Palin to form a third party. Imagine the two most clueless pundits in the history of political thought teaming up and running for president, Palin/Beck or Beck/Palin. This would provide Jon Stewart a lifetime of material for the Daily Show.
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      • Author by CenterRight (February 07, 2011 9:23 pm ET)
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        If Beck isn't careful he's going to lose his credibility.
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      • Author by mari2jj (February 09, 2011 12:20 am ET)
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        Actually Beck seems very delusional to me. He takes a silly fact and twists it into an anti Obama rant, or some sinister plot against our country. I was an RN on the staff of an alcoholics rehab center, and Beck's ravings remind me of the sort of tall delusions our clients dreamed up. After years of a pickled brain from booze, it is just the natural outcome. Poor Beck is to be puttied. It seems his ability to process a set of facts and come to a LOGICAL conclusion has been severely damaged.
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    • Author by IRONY 101 (February 06, 2011 3:55 pm ET)
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      In addition, and by way of explanation, it is quite possible that Glenn Beck is psychotic.
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      • Author by TXI (February 06, 2011 9:02 pm ET)
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        More like paranoid delusional narcissism.
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      • Author by daymorris (February 07, 2011 11:52 pm ET)
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        Seems to be what every republican who gets on the airwaves and that is compulsive lying. Lily Rose, Beck, Limbaugh, OReilley, Hannity, Palin and every FOX "celebrity" seems to have it.
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    • Author by dhertzfe (February 06, 2011 3:56 pm ET)
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      Glendora Beckerwood... the Great Thorn in America's side that just won't go away.
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      • Author by hypocritesRus (February 07, 2011 8:22 am ET)
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        I don't think he's a "thorn in America's side". He may be a thorn in democrat's side, but certainly not America. There are a lot of things democrats want that the rest of America do not. That is why we have an election process. Who won the last election process? I think THAT says MORE about what is a "thorn in America's side".
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        • Author by magnolialover (February 07, 2011 9:25 am ET)
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          Umm, Glenn IS a thorn in America's side, because what he presents is nothing close to reality, or truth.

          The democrats got whipped in the last election, for the House. We still have the Senate, AND the White House.

          You guys always seem to forget that.
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        • Author by bintx (February 07, 2011 9:46 am ET)
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          Thanks again for confirming that you don't have a clue about political ideology. Beck is no conservative. Further, none of his stupid BS conspiracies have any basis in reality. The fact that you believe they do shows how really uninformed and stupid you are.
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        • Author by Adendrools (February 07, 2011 12:58 pm ET)
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          When the voting public is lied to by fright wing media such as Beck and friends as well as republican leadership there is no democracy. Had Faux and the republicans not been lying about every big item on the agenda you’d have seen a much different outcome in the last election.

          As long as we allow (as a country) the "news" outlets such as Faux to openly lie and misinform, then tout those lies as "news" then democracy is dead.
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        • Author by HRN (February 08, 2011 5:49 pm ET)
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          And what kind of election process was that? Was it a (wait for it) DEMOCRATIC process?

          Thought so.
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      • Author by daymorris (February 07, 2011 11:48 pm ET)
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        I see Him and Palin as a hemorhoid that wont go away thanks to the Koch Brothers. Makes you wonder if Beck is on something like Limbaugh.
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    • Author by bar2 (February 06, 2011 4:18 pm ET)
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      I just have to question a small point above:
      And obviously Europe has a lot more to worry about - you know, by 2030, 90 percent of Europe is going to be Muslim.

      Where did this come from? I find this hard to believe. Not because it claims there is a move to Islam in Europe but rather the figure stated. To make the claim that Europe would become 90% of anything is crazy. If this is based on trend analysis, one must be very careful in using this data. But, of course, the conservative media does this all the time.

      To put this in perspective, an interesting trend reported by the Naked Scientist in a 2007 article points out that:
      ‘The number of Elvies Presley impersonators has reached an all-time record high – there are now at least 85,000 Elvis’s around the world, compared to only 170 in 1957 when he died. At this rate of growth, experts predict that by 2019 Elvis impersonators will make up a third of the world population.’
      So, we should really be more worried about being taken over by the radical Flying Elvies!!!
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      • Author by donaldmaddog5642 (February 06, 2011 4:43 pm ET)
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        Elvis is dead? Why didn't Glenn tell me? He would have blamed his demise on Obama or Nancy Pelosi.
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      • Author by Dauphin (February 06, 2011 7:10 pm ET)
           
        He actually said 9% not 90% if you listen to the video clip.
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      • Author by InfantrySgt (February 06, 2011 9:27 pm ET)
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        Ha! While decrying Beck's misinformatin he misinforms in the same way. It's almost like doublethink. Conservatives: fear-mongering comes so naturally to them they don't even see it themselves.
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      • Author by AsIfUknow (February 07, 2011 12:36 am ET)
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        2 things:
        1. that 90% figure comes from where Beck gets ALL his "facts" -- his ass!
        2. Elvis died on August 16, 1977.
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        • Author by eweston8542983 (February 07, 2011 12:40 am ET)
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          3. The plural of Elvis is Elvi.
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          • Author by Salamandastron (February 07, 2011 2:55 am ET)
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            -is as a singular ending appears only in 3gen; it's most likely, then, that the plural of Elvis (necessarily genitive) would end in -a, as in Elva. But that is (was?) a car, so never mind.
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        • Author by hypocritesRus (February 07, 2011 8:28 am ET)
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          asifuknow said: 2 things: 1. that 90% figure comes from where Beck gets ALL his "facts" -- his ass! 2. Elvis died on August 16, 1977.

          I guess that shows that Beck isn't the only one to pull facts out of his arse. Apparently, democrats do it just as often. 2 of the first six statements contain false "facts" as claimed by democrats. For those of you keeping track, that's 33.3% of all democrats (according to MediaMatters posters) will provide falsified facts to support their stance on any given subject.

          That says a LOT concerning the credibility of democrats who spout supposed facts.
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          • Author by bintx (February 07, 2011 10:04 am ET)
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            I'm not a democrat (apparently, this is your uninformed name for people you consider to be "liberals.") I'm a conservative who usually votes for conservatives. Note I said "conservatives" not republicans. Two different things entirely. Liberalism and conservatism are political ideologies, neither of which is inherently good or bad. Democratic and Republican are political clubs aka "parties." The terms are not mutually inclusive.

            Beck has stated that he really doesn't care about the political process at all . . . he's just in the "entertainment" business and everything he does is for MONEY.

            Inform yourself.
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      • Author by sl5616699 (February 07, 2011 12:40 am ET)
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        bar2, I had exactly the same reaction as these numbers make no sense and they aren't backed up by anything. But, the person making this statement (Fund) is pretty far right himself.
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        • Author by TXI (February 07, 2011 8:25 am ET)
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          That quote was one of those "ugh, on one point he is an idiot fear mongerer. On the other hand he is in opposition to idiot fear mongerer #1" moments where you just have to bear the smaller idiot to nail the bigger one.

          At least that's how we try and take the mob down.
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      • Author by Jamie72 (February 07, 2011 7:01 am ET)
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        I am surprised such stuff is allowed to be broadcast. Even in the most 'Londonistan' parts of my city, 90% Muslim is just a ridiculous fugure. This along with the whole Beck idea of Russia taking over Holland (presumably by-passing all the countries in between, you know the small ones like Poland and Germany) leads me to believe some commentators are painting a distorted view of Europe, safe in the knowledge their core audience couldn't find most of the places they discuss on a map, let alone understand their politics.
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      • Author by JW, Denver (February 09, 2011 2:32 pm ET)
           
        Hey, wait a minute here. I'm an avid Glenn Beck watcher and fan. A Europe made up of 90% Elvis impersonators sounds like a great time.
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    • Author by RyanArnold (February 06, 2011 4:52 pm ET)
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      CORRECTION: A transcript above misstates John Fund's estimate of the Muslim share of Europe's population in 2030. He said 9 percent, not 90 percent. This is in line with a report from the Pew Forum for Religious and Public Life, which put the figure at 8 percent.
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    • Author by eb (February 06, 2011 7:06 pm ET)
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      Well its about time they reigned in their attack dog. I guess they got tired of holding their noses.

      As long as he was paying political dividends for conservatives, journalistic ethics could be overlooked. Apparently now the gains are not worth the liabilities.
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    • Author by indigo1968 (February 06, 2011 8:16 pm ET)
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      Why should Beck care what his right-wing peers think?

      As long as Uncle Rupert's paychecks keep clearing, he's got no motive whatsoever to change his routine.

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      • Author by clearstate (February 06, 2011 9:42 pm ET)
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        At some point Beck is going to make some right-wingers very angry with all his crap and they won't want to come on Fox anymore. At that point Uncle Rupert will have to choose between Beck and Republicans.
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      • Author by CCinRI (February 07, 2011 5:38 am ET)
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        Res verus of unus , planto is verus of totus.

        Rupert and Roger are as guilty as Beck by their tacit approval of his actions. So, in translation, what is true of one (Beck), is true of all (Murdoch and Ailes); and modestly less so O'Reilly.
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        • Author by hypocritesRus (February 07, 2011 8:33 am ET)
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          Well, I guess after I just pointed out that posters using MediaMatters are guilty of providing false information. Does that mean ALL democrats a guilty of providing false information? According to your cute little saying it does.
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          • Author by Fox News - Nothing But Truth (February 07, 2011 11:15 am ET)
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            BLASPHEMY!!!!!!
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          • Author by CoolSlaw (February 07, 2011 5:50 pm ET)
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            Well, I guess after I just pointed out that posters using MediaMatters are guilty of providing false information. Does that mean ALL democrats a guilty of providing false information? According to your cute little saying it does.


            Your links just link back to the top of this page. What are you claiming you proved again? Why don't you actually address the pages upon pages upon pages of falsehoods, distortions, and slanderous attacks from Glenn Beck, or prove a "lie" from media matters before expecting everyone to buy your weird accusations?

            I can't believe I'm telling someone above the age of seven this, but just because you really really like to watch and listen to Glenn Beck, doesn't mean anything he says is true or reliable. We were all a little disappointed when we finally figured out that Superman and Santa Claus weren't real, and Sesame Street wasn't a magical place, but a television studio. Stop allowing Beck to keep your belief suspended in the political equivalent of childish fantasies.
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          • Author by mikehuck1976 (February 08, 2011 5:41 pm ET)
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            Did you just link to a post of yours that clearly falsely quoted a post it was disagreeing with as an example of misinformation? That misinformation is all yours, Traveller. Unless you can show us where the words you quoted are actually in (or even suggested in) the post by Listen.
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            • Author by CoolSlaw (February 09, 2011 11:44 am ET)
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              It's no surprise though, that is the Glenn Beck method.

              Accuse someone of something, and then reference your own accusation as proof. Life would be great if that actually worked.

              check this out:
              -Coolslaw is a rock star guitar legend that looks like George Clooney and has a string of supermodel girlfriends, and a garage full of classic sports cars.

              Now I can link back to here as proof if anyone wants to claim I'm just a regular Joe. Doesn't matter that I can't play the guitar, don't make women swoon when I walk down the street, and own one car that happens to be a pretty common four door sedan.
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    • Author by resfs (February 06, 2011 9:56 pm ET)
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      Notice how people revolting against real oppressive regimes in the middle east with the help sometimes-radical Islamic groups is evil and anti-american, but people protesting against a perceived oppressive regime in America with the help of often-radical Christian groups is heroic.
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    • Author by AsIfUknow (February 07, 2011 12:31 am ET)
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      So did Republicans just get TV's, just get cable with Faux Nooos on it, or just wake up from their Rip Van Winkle nap?! DUH!
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      • Author by TXI (February 07, 2011 8:51 am ET)
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        Nope, they are just noticing that Beck's crazy train is starting to take people on trips that aren't conducive to their overall message (or are scaring people away from coming to the train station altogether).
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    • Author by Martha (February 07, 2011 5:08 am ET)
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      They're coming to take me away, ha-haaa.
      They're coming to take me away, ho-ho, hee-hee, ha-haaa.
      To the funny farm, where life is beautiful all the time and I'll be happy
      to see those nice young men in their clean white coats and they're coming
      to take me away, ha-haaa!!!
      To the happy home, with trees and flowers and chirping birds and basket
      weavers who sit and smile and twiddle their thumbs and toes and they're
      coming to take me away, ha-haa!!!
      To the funny farm, where life is beautiful all the time...



      http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~norm/TakeMeAway.html
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    • Author by grmce (February 07, 2011 6:39 am ET)
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      Forget the "Archduke Ferdinand" moments I think Beck's entering his "Howard Beale" moment.
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    • Author by ibolyap (February 07, 2011 8:14 am ET)
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      Well, it would appear that Beck has finally gone so far over the top in his commentary that conservatives are seriously criticizing him. His "theory" of the uprising in Egypt is totally bonkers. Keeping him on Fox for much longer may actually hurt them. His ratings are plummeting (yeah). Best news in a long time.
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    • Author by j238 (February 07, 2011 9:25 am ET)
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      I suspect some of the thinkers* on the conservative movement are personally tired of getting upstaged by obvious fools like Sarah Palin and Beck.

      * Don't call me on that. Best word I could think of.
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    • Author by LiberalEagle422 (February 07, 2011 9:38 am ET)
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      I mean let's face it; Beck's ravings only have a half life of so long. And based on advertisers dropping, his loss of the Philly and NY markets, along with dropped viewership, we see that the high tide of Beck has come and gone.

      Maybe it was the timing of Tuscon and the reaction the media had, focusing on hateful rhetoric (and the plethora of Beck examples you could pull from) or maybe like any other fad, his time has just start to run out.

      Should we be patting ourselves on the back yet? No. I firmly believe in zombie killing you have to double tap just to make sure it's dead. Should we let our guard down? No. Is Beck's popularity and 'credibility' (hahahaha I tried saying this outloud, couldn't do it I'm laughing my arse off here) on a downward spiral? Yes.
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      • Author by terrapin53 (February 07, 2011 9:57 am ET)
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        His audience bought their food storage and their gold coins, ergo, they no longer have a need for Beck.
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    • Author by rockyrcoon (February 07, 2011 12:25 pm ET)
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      Haha...Charles Johnson - a conservative blogger? He's a comic book geek who shows off his collection on that joke website in between rants about how horrible American Christianity has been for the world....wonder what else you got wrong in this piece!
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    • Author by lategrardini (February 07, 2011 12:50 pm ET)
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      This is my first comment. The radio station I work at used to carry Beck's radio show. We dropped it because it was too extreme for southeast Kansas,which is as conservative as it gets. And that was in 2006...he's even more out there now.
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    • Author by o rly (February 07, 2011 1:18 pm ET)
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      My god. This man is truly insane. There is no other explanation.
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    • Author by Mikeystyle (February 07, 2011 1:40 pm ET)
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      Conservative talk radio and Fox News host Glenn Beck called for an invasion of the United Kingdom on Friday to head off what he called an attempt by the British to re-establish America as a colony, as well as the rest of the British Empire.

      Beck said he recently saw a documentary on “the British invasion” of rock bands during the 1960s and realized it was the cause of recent unrest in Egypt and the Islamic world overall, given that Britain once had colonies in the Middle East.

      “Make no mistake this is all part of a trend,” Beck said as he put album covers from The Beatles, the Rolling Stones and The Dave Clark Five on his chalkboard. He also put up pictures of Saddam Hussein, Adolph Hitler and, for some unclear reason, Lenny Kosnowksi from the 1970s-era sitcom Laverne & Shirley. He then drew circles, lines and smiley faces to link these disparate elements together, along with the date “1776” and “War of 1812.”

      (continued….)
      http://www.thechicagodope.com/2011/02/05/glenn-beck-demands-war-with-britain/
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    • Author by WordAndDeed (February 07, 2011 3:19 pm ET)
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      Have some intellectual integrity. You don't have to listen to what someone else says Glenn Beck says about the Caliphate. Do your own research (you wouldn't believe it if a Conservative like me told you, and frankly - we're sick of doing your homework for you) Go research what the Muslim Brotherhood says about the Caliphate. Or what Turkey's new Prime Minister says about it. Or what Hamas says about it. Or what the Foreign Minister of Iran said, 6 days ago, about what Egypt would do to help create an "Islamic Middle East" (Caliphate). Or- just for kicks, why don't you research how many nations in the Middle East have either already fallen to Islamic control, or are in revolution right now with the goal to become Islamic controlled. While you're at it, do some real research on what Islam's goal is. What they actually believe should be done with ALL Jews (as well as any other religion that is not Islam- which would include Buddhism & Hinduism, in case you don't care about Christians and Jews) What they really think about America, what their record is for carrying out threats, and then chew on this: When someone tells you, over and over again, that they hate you and want to kill you, you may want to take them at their word. We didn't take Osama Bin Laden at his word, and look what that got us.
      Here's a question. Why does the word Caliphate even exist in relation to Islam? Maybe you should research the Ottoman Empire. It's not like there's no precedent for Islam's desire for Caliphate. Or...did you think Beck just made that word up.

      Until you are willing to do more than just throw out clever insults and unfounded opinions, you really don't have any credibility, and don't have the right to ask anyone with integrity to listen to you. Worse, you are just what are known as "Useful Idiots".
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      • Author by congero6189599 (February 08, 2011 12:13 pm ET)
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        Yes you are a useful idiot!
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      • Author by HRN (February 08, 2011 6:31 pm ET)
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        And what does Fundamental christianity (not capitalized on purpose) say happens to the Jews and Muslims, and Buddhists, and agnostics, and atheists, and everyone else?

        Side note: "We didn't take Osama Bin Laden at his word" So, you admit that the Bush Regime screwed the pooch on that one? There might be hope for you yet... but I'm an agnostic, so I have little faith in that.
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      • Author by JW, Denver (February 09, 2011 2:29 pm ET)
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        Are you certain that Islam is saying these things? They sound more and more like the Mormon Church to me.
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    • Author by Bogart (February 07, 2011 3:45 pm ET)
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      I watched the program and found it very informative and interesting.
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    • Author by Fox News - Nothing But Truth (February 07, 2011 5:02 pm ET)
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      Glenn Beck stole the cookie from the cookie jar.
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    • Author by drumsalive (February 07, 2011 10:15 pm ET)
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      The becktrain is gettin ready to derail. There are still a few real republicans left in the GOP and they all hate this guy. So do all decent folks.
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    • Author by wobble (February 08, 2011 4:59 am ET)
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      What I find interseting is that whenever Beck comes out with something absolutely outrageously xenophobic, his ratings go up by about 500,000 viewers - which probably explains why he's doing it.
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      • Author by congero6189599 (February 08, 2011 12:15 pm ET)
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        um no. Beck has lost over 1/3 of his audience from last year and he has no major advertisers to his show. His audience is shrinking not growing.
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        • Author by wobble (February 08, 2011 1:00 pm ET)
             
          Look at his audience for last Friday (2 million 136 thousand):
          http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2011/02/07/cable-news-ratings-for-friday-february-4-2011/81722
          Compare that with the 29th of January (1 million 733 thousand) http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2011/01/28/cable-news-ratings-for-thursday-january-27-2011-piers-tumbles/80643
          Obviously, his ratings are down from last year (3 million per show or so in the first half of the year), but they do tend to increase by 300 to 500 thousand every time he says anything that starts a pseudo-controversy for a couple of days. The anti-muslim, xenophobic card is one which would seem to attract viewers -which is why I think he does it.
          At the moment, he and Fox don't appear to consider the lack of advertising a criteria for changing the content of the show.
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          • Author by congero6189599 (February 09, 2011 11:01 am ET)
               
            At the moment, he and Fox don't appear to consider the lack of advertising a criteria for changing the content of the show.-wobble

            So?
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      • Author by TitusPrime (February 09, 2011 1:25 am ET)
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        I have a good many friends that used to worship at the fear buffet of good old Becky. But they wont eat at his trough anymore even. Its kinda like how crazy ex girlfriends were soooooo hot when you first got together. You mistook all that energy and intelligence for natural enthusiasm. Only to eventually find out she was crazy. BTW, this statement works both ways and is only gender specific because I have a penis.
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    • Author by yoiksaway (February 08, 2011 12:57 pm ET)
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      I think he just got excited about learning the word "caliphate" to seem intelligent. Has he ever used the word in previous years?

      How many saps have repeated that term rather than analyze what's really going on in Middle East current events?

      Let's see if he starts using "fifth column" and mangles that too.

      Since he's too occupied being on the air and not intelligent and diligent enough to do research and synthesize the results of the research, who feeds him this stuff? That is what fascinates me. Who are behind the scenes, those whom he trusts? He's getting spoon-fed all this stuff, and he'll have some people as guests on his show, so who is really doing the "research" and booking these guests?
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      • Author by congero6189599 (February 08, 2011 1:46 pm ET)
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        Who feeds him this stuff? Try the John Birch Society.
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      • Author by yoiksaway (February 08, 2011 4:59 pm ET)
           
        Names would be better. Air the dirty laundry, ya know.
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        • Author by congero6189599 (February 09, 2011 11:03 am ET)
             
          Go to their website and read there propaganda and compare it to what Beck is saying. I'll bet you would find many names.
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    • Author by TitusPrime (February 09, 2011 1:07 am ET)
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      I find it very interesting that very first statement is dated to happen next week. "Kristol: Beck Is "Marginalizing Himself" Through His "Hysteria." [The Weekly Standard, 2/14/11]

      Beyond the fact that he wrote this in the future, it was by far one of the most eloquent and honorably spoken statements I have heard from the conservatives in a long time.

      I still think it is outright ignorant snobbery that not one Conservative news website has or allows discussions like this.

      I only discovered this after going to the the GOP main website. Only to find it very as uninviting as a 1940's gentlemen club to anyone not white, male and republican.
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      • Author by CoolSlaw (February 09, 2011 11:59 am ET)
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        You're starting to get the idea.

        The conservative movement has degenerated from a real social movement into what it has become today. Quite simply, the conservative movement exists today for the sole purpose of getting more power and wealth, and removing more regulations for a small group of wealthy international corporations.
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    • Author by Republic (February 09, 2011 12:04 pm ET)
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      WOW, thanx Media Matters for doing an outstanding job of exposing Beck. I had no idea groups like the Muslim Brotherhood were actually our friends. That Islamic Socialism is good for the United States. I feel the Utopia already! Let me start by giving a "Shout Out" to Mr. Soros.
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    • Author by Republic (February 09, 2011 12:04 pm ET)
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      WOW, thanx Media Matters for doing an outstanding job of exposing Beck. I had no idea groups like the Muslim Brotherhood were actually our friends. That Islamic Socialism is good for the United States. I feel the Utopia already! Let me start by giving a "Shout Out" to Mr. Soros.
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      • Author by Disputed Zone (February 09, 2011 12:36 pm ET)
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        Look up the definition of the word "start." It doesn't mean what you seem to think it does.
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