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Right-Wing Media Freak Out Over Union Protests In Wisconsin

February 17, 2011 11:15 am ET — 67 Comments

Responding to Wisconsin state workers' protests against Gov. Scott Walker's (R) proposed legislation that would strip state workers of their collective bargaining rights, right-wing media have characterized the protests as "riots" and "uprisings" and attacked the protesters as "thugs" who could "get violent."

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WI State Workers Protest Against Proposed Anti-Union Bill

WI Public Workers Rally Against Proposal That Would Strip Most Of Collective Bargaining Rights. The Wisconsin State Journal reported on February 17:

With a key committee vote out of the way, Republican leaders plan to soon pass a bill that would effectively strip collective bargaining rights from most public workers in Wisconsin, suggesting only modest changes to the proposal introduced by Gov. Scott Walker.

Key GOP lawmakers offered minor adjustments Wednesday night to the legislation, crafted during hours of closed-door meetings throughout the day, but those tweaks don't affect Walker's collective bargaining overhaul -- a sweeping plan that brought thousands of protesters to the state Capitol for three consecutive days of demonstrations.

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Walker and Republicans said they would not alter their plans despite the thousands of protesters who continue to flood the state Capitol. The crowd only got louder Wednesday as some pounded drums, others played bagpipes, and many chanted, "Kill the bill" and, "Recall Walker now!"

Some protesters never left. Hundreds came with sleeping bags or blankets and spent Tuesday night in the Capitol rotunda while hoping to speak at a hearing about the bill. Public testimony stretched from 10 a.m. on Tuesday to about 3 a.m. Wednesday and beyond, with Democratic lawmakers listening to people through the morning. [Wisconsin State Journal, 2/17/11]

Right-Wing Media Label Protests "Riots," Attack Protesters

Beck Characterizes Union Protests As "Riots" And "Uprisings." On the February 16 edition of his radio show, Glenn Beck stated of union protests: "You are about to see this president start embracing the uprisings in this country. You are going to see him embrace the teachers unions and all of the unions that are marching on the streets." Beck later characterized the protests as "riots in the streets." [Premiere Radio Networks' The Glenn Beck Program, 2/16/11]

Beck Cites WI Protests To Claim That "Evil [Is] Spreading Around The Globe." On the February 16 edition of his Fox News show, Beck stated that protests in Madison, WI, as well as in the Middle East and Mexico are part of "evil spreading around the globe." [Fox News' Glenn Beck, 2/16/11]

Malkin: Protesters "Stormed" Capitol For Demonstration; Teachers Used Students As "Kiddie Human Shields." In a February 16 post about protests in Wisconsin, Michelle Malkin wrote that the SEIU "and its allies stormed in for a sleepover protest" at the state Capitol building. She later wrote of teachers staging a protest: "Kiddie human shields become kiddie sacrificial lambs." In a later post, Malkin called the protesters "union thugs." [MichelleMalkin.com, 2/16/11, 2/16/11]

Malkin On Fox: Protesters Engaging In "Thuggery." On February 17, Malkin took her attacks on the union protesters to Fox & Friends, stating, "If this brave Republican governor can stand up to the immense amount of power and thuggery, essentially, by these unions, it bodes very well for other states." [Fox News' Fox & Friends, 2/17/11]

FBN's Byrnes: Protests Could "Borderline ... Get Violent." On the February 16 edition of Fox Business' Varney & Co., Tracy Byrnes stated that protests in Wisconsin are "actually, borderline gonna get violent, it sounds like." Byrnes later stated, "I for one hope they lose. I hope they lose. I hope they stick their ground and the unions lose in the end." [Fox Business' Varney & Co., 2/16/11]

Obenshain: Wisconsin Teacher Protests Are "Reminiscent Of Greece." On the February 16 edition of Fox News' Hannity, Republican strategist Kate Obenshain stated: "We see something that's going on, say, in Wisconsin, where they have the rallies for the teachers, where teachers are yanking kids out of the classrooms and calling in sick -- totally lying - which is reminiscent of Greece and England." [Fox News' Hannity, 2/16/11]

RedState: "Leftist Union Bosses Also Know They May Be Losing Their Grip On Taxpayers' Throats And They Are Desperate To Keep It There." A February 17 post on RedState discussed the union protests in Wisconsin, as well as others in Ohio and Indiana, and stated: "As labor activists strategize for 'class war,' Leftist union bosses also know they may be losing their grip on taxpayers' throats and they are desperate to keep it there. They're not going to let go easily either." [RedState.com, 2/17/11]

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    • Author by progressivevoicedaily (February 17, 2011 11:20 am ET)
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      Firefighters, Police, and The State Troopers are also marching with the teachers in solidarity. The right wing HATES WORKING AMERICANS. This is absolutely sickening to hear this idiots talk.
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      • Author by mari2jj (February 17, 2011 7:55 pm ET)
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        My cousin will cancel out Wisconsis vacation. She is not wealthy, but she does visit Wisconsin often and she will not do so as long as this bully of a Governor keeps up his efforts to bully state employees.
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        • Author by hypocritesRus (February 19, 2011 8:24 am ET)
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          mari2j said: She is not wealthy.


          If her vacation takes her to Wisconsin she must be broke! I'm sure the vacation department of Wisconsin will make up that lost $100 somehow. Maybe the unions can foot the bill for her, they plan on spending $30 million on lobbyists.
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      • Author by mari2jj (February 17, 2011 8:13 pm ET)
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        I see Malkin is her usual hysterical self. Just once, it would be refreshing for her to act sort of grown up at least. But alas, that may be expecting far to much for such an infantile person. We are boycotting Wisconsin for our planned Family reunion of our huge family. Who wants to support such a disgusting state with their tourist dollars.
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        • Author by Progressive_IL (February 18, 2011 10:04 am ET)
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          Same here, from suburban Chicago. I'll just stick to Illinois and Michigan for my summer vacation plans, thankyouverymuch.

          Re: Malkin, what can you expect from someone who works for a network that explicitly hates 'anchor babies'? The self-loathing is strong within her.
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      • Author by hypocritesRus (February 19, 2011 8:20 am ET)
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        progressivevoicedaily said: The right wing HATES WORKING AMERICANS.

        Actually, I think the voting public is tired of spending money that isn't there. I read one article where the union said they would SPEND $30 million to stop this bill. And another article where the Governor said he could save the state $30 million if the bill is passed.

        So, if the union stopped whining, they could put that $30 million into the retirement plans of thousands of workers. Instead they want to spend it on lobbyists. Good sound thinking from union leadership (sarcasm). Why does the UNION HATE RETIREES?

        But, you know what? This is exactly why so many democrats were booted out of office. People are tired of them spending money that isn't there. People are tired of the ever-increasing debt that our grandchildren will have to pay off. And the last elections saw the fruit of that exasperation. Too bad for your side, now sit back down and watch how democracy works in a FREE society.
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        • Author by progressivevoicedaily (February 19, 2011 11:46 am ET)
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          I am watching how democracy works in a free society. And when your boy Walker gets recalled I'll also be watching democracy in action. You don't give tax breaks to corporations at the expense of the working class people in this country and expect everyone to be cool with it. The right wing's position has been just that for the past 40 years. Keep taking it away from the people, and someday they'll come for what you have. That's how it works. I suppose you're against the new heath care law as well. You think it's our responsibility to pay for someone elses medical treatments, rather than having that person take responsibility for their own. And as far as 'hating retirees', I've seen nothing but utter contempt for seniors out of the right wing. Thank god GWB didn't get his way with privatizing ss, you think protests in Madison, WI are bad. The right wing will soon be relegated to regional status. Your days of running this country on such a vile and hateful platform are numbered. Savior your 2010 victories, cause they will be your last.
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          • Author by hypocritesRus (February 19, 2011 2:12 pm ET)
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            Who's going to be left to run the country? Obviously, the people don't want democrats ruining things. And, if you're correct and they don't want republicans ruining things too, then there must be another group that will win the elections next time?
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            • Author by Johaely (February 19, 2011 3:48 pm ET)
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              So less than half of the country voting in the mid-terms elction and Reapublicans only winning the house equals to "the people don't want democrats ruining things"?
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              • Author by hypocritesRus (February 19, 2011 5:37 pm ET)
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                Yup. That's what it looks like. Unless the democrats are just lazy ars's or couldn't get over their buzz quick enough to make it to the all-day voting event.
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                • Author by Johaely (February 19, 2011 6:19 pm ET)
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                  Less than half of the country votes in the midterms. Saying that a decision made by the less of the country somehow validates your ideas and means that everybody agrees with them is stupid.
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    • Author by Mr. Katanga (February 17, 2011 11:21 am ET)
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      Oh for Frack's sake. When people took to the streets across the country railing about Obama and his health care and taxes I didn't hear Frox News moaning and hand wringing about the fear of violence and thugish actions.

      Give.
      Me.
      A.
      Break.
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      • Author by newzhound (February 17, 2011 6:07 pm ET)
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        Mr. Katanga: The mistake the Wisconsin protesters made was they didn't all put their birth certificates into little plastic bags and then wave them around like a dead rat they'd just found in their stew.
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    • Author by epkklk851 (February 17, 2011 11:26 am ET)
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      I taught for several years, and I endured all sorts of sacrifices for my students. I finally left teaching because I couldn't take the pressure anymore. Parents have unreal expectations and they hound techers. Teachers are also playing a much larger role in civilizing students than they used to. It just isn't fun. If I had had to rely on my teacher income, even if married to someone making the same money, I wouldn't have been able to live in the neighborhoods where my schools were. I wouldn't have been able to make it at all on a single income. Unions represent only 12% of the workforce. Forty years ago, when unions were stronger and represented a large part of that workforce, the middle class was thriving and real wages were rising, but over the last 30 years, since Reagan disbanded PATCO, unions have lost power and membership and wages have stayed at about the same or less of what they were then. Hmm? Coincidence? Fox and huge corporations have a vested interest in breaking unions, it gives them a cheaper labor pool, it is truly supply-side economics. It doesn't help the workers, but it sure helps their profits.
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      • Author by clearstate (February 17, 2011 11:41 am ET)
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        Fox and conservatives know that as long as they keep bashing and demonizing unions that big corporations will keep making donations to their causes.
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        • Author by indictgwbush (February 18, 2011 1:01 pm ET)
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          Faux news IS a big corporation.
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          • Author by Unreality (February 18, 2011 10:58 pm ET)
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            Buying advertising on a network that doesn't efficiently deliver viewers is subsidizing FauxNoise and guys like Beck. Even better, they get full tax write off of the cost of advertising as a business expense.

            That's right, we're subsidizing the disinformation of FauxNoise.

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      • Author by jiminva (February 17, 2011 8:19 pm ET)
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        I understand your pain. My wife is a teacher and I just finished our taxes. Did you know that teachers can deduct up to $250 off their taxes for school supplies? WOW! We spend at least $250 a month on school supplies. I actually figured out that she makes $13/hour when you factor in grading papers, building lesson plans and answering calls and emails from parents wondering why their child is not as brilliant as they think.
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        • Author by Moongal5 (February 17, 2011 9:10 pm ET)
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          I know, it is so great. I was a reading teacher for years, and every month in my family budget, I put at least $40 for school supplies for my reading room.
          I was so happy to hear that finally, teachers are getting a break on their taxes for the money they spend in the classroom.
          I am retired now, so I cannot take advantage of the deduction, but I am so glad it's there for the ones still hard at work. You would have NEVER seen this in the former administration.
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      • Author by carlileb5935 (February 17, 2011 8:23 pm ET)
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        It doesn't help the workers, but it sure helps their profits.

        For a while. But without customers with money, their advertisers will lose out eventually.

        If everyone's making $7 an hour then no one will be able to buy very much.

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    • Author by terrapin53 (February 17, 2011 11:34 am ET)
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      I watched the governor of Wisonsin on Greta the other night. What he is doing is absolutely shameless. He wants to cut the take home pay by at least 10 per cent. He wants 5.8% to go towards their pensions. I work for a private company and pay nothing towards my pension. He also want to soulbe what they pay for their health insurance from around 6% to 12%. My math shows he wants to cut take home pay by 11.8%. On the Ed Show, he had on a state tea party republican senator who claimed they only want to cut 8% take home pay, so these guys cannot even get their stories straight.

      Not once did the governor of the state senator say part of the problem is when wall street takned, so did the pension funds for all these states, not to mention anytime the state may not have contributed to the find for the year or maybe even borrowed money from the fund. This is union busting at its finest.

      I could not even imagine how I might make ends meet if I took a 10 per cent pay cut. It is amazing how these right wingers and imbiciles like Beck can pick and choose the good protests versus the bad protests, but Foz in particular has been union bashing for years, so I am not surprised.
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      • Author by marionetta (February 17, 2011 11:46 am ET)
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        If this law is passed, does the Governor seriously think that workers (and their skills) won't just go elsewhere?

        When the Archdiocese of Wisconsin puts out a statement supporting the workers, the Governor really has a problem: http://www.archmil.org/News/StatementRegardingtheRightsofW.htm

        Are the RWer's going to go after the Catholic church too?
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        • Author by WJ MacGuffin (February 17, 2011 2:04 pm ET)
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          Acutally, Beck's done that already. Remember his rant against any church that supports social justice like Catholics?
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    • Author by Kid Funkadelic (February 17, 2011 12:25 pm ET)
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      When they had their little Tea Party , the President didn't send out troops. Gov. Walker wants the National Guard "just in case".
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      • Author by alwaysright1 (February 17, 2011 9:33 pm ET)
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        Well when Walker sees signs that have cross hairs on his forehead and signs that say don't retreat , reload, he must be prepared to deal with the extremists doing the protesting. Do you approve of the hateful signs and violence being displayed by the protesters? I am quite certain that if they were Tea Party members you would have alot to say about it, why not speak up for principles now?
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      • Author by hypocritesRus (February 19, 2011 8:29 am ET)
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        The last time there was an organized protest with public officials attending they got SHOT. I would have the National Guard ready too (if I was governor).
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    • Author by Mikeystyle (February 17, 2011 12:32 pm ET)
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      ....and yet Fox sponsored the tea party events.

      ohhhh but that's a DIFferent kind of anger.
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      • Author by MsYellowDog (February 17, 2011 4:09 pm ET)
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        Yeah,that's the "good" kind of anger,sort of a "righteous indignation" that you pretend to have,while trying ever-harder to put your brown nose further up The Man's b---,so that "he" won't come for you and yours.
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    • Author by Kid Funkadelic (February 17, 2011 12:35 pm ET)
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      I bet they pay people well at Union busting Fox.Like the saying goes, it's only class warfare when you fight back.
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    • Author by IntelSebastian (February 17, 2011 1:04 pm ET)
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      Grrrrr all these leftist communist union bosses control EVERYTH....hold on I've got a call from AIG coming in. They're taking 2 billion more dollars? Be sure we get them a nice gift basket when the check is sent over. Sorry gotta run, the oil lobby is taking me to dinner and I need to put my makeup on or they might not bankroll my next campaign.
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      • Author by hypocritesRus (February 19, 2011 8:33 am ET)
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        IntelSebastian said: I've got a call from AIG ... the oil lobby is taking me to dinner

        Wow, we have President Obama posting on this website. What a treat for all of us. Maybe we can buy an autograph?
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    • Author by WJ MacGuffin (February 17, 2011 2:08 pm ET)
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      Jeesy Chreesy, what a load of hypocritical fearmongering.

      Tea Party Protests = Good Ol' US Democracy in Action!

      Union Protests = Violent, Evil Uprisings!

      I remember studying US history and learning how politicians routinely called in the National Guard to fire on striking union workers. I thought, "Thank God those days are behind us." Wow, I underestimated conservatives. (And before we remind ourselves this is just one governor speaking and not the entire conservative movement, look at the quotes above from heavy hitters in the movement.)
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    • Author by NoNannyNeeded (February 17, 2011 3:24 pm ET)
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      Apparently 1000 teachers called in sick and then went to protest in Madison. How is that servicing the community, the students or the parents that pay their salaries? You want to protest fine.. do it on your time Not Ours. Keep our kids out of it. Some students didn't even know what they were there for. Did they take the kids with parents written consent? If not that's kidnapping.

      Also I find it amusing how some of thees protest signs compare the governor to Hitler or Mubarack. Some have crosshairs on a photo of the him, & yet no outrage or even concern about the "violent rhetoric". Also, it's reported that some protested at the goveernors house! Yet on Maddow last last she was appalled that people were portesting at Dr Tiller's replacement in KS. Rachel said you protest at people's house if you are trying to intimidate people not persuade people. Union workers also stormed the property of of B of A exec, Greg Baer's home, while his terrified 14yr old son was home by himself.

      Which one is it people; you can't have it both ways! It's only violent or wrong if it's against your ideology or does the ends really justify the means?

      for the record, Unions are what is destroying many or the jobs in this country. There's nothing "democratic" about being forced to join and pay for an organization you don't necessarily agree with in order to work. You lose your baragaining power as an individual so that someone you don't even know can make decisions fgor you. Just doesn't sound right to me!
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      • Author by mikehuck1976 (February 17, 2011 3:30 pm ET)
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        It's only violent or wrong if it's against your ideology or does the ends really justify the means? - Nanny

        That certainly seems to be what you are arguing. Although, after hearing how you believe should be taken literally, except of course when you don't, your hypocrisy is not suprising.

        How disconnected from reality do you have to be in order to think that negotiating power is LOST through collective bargaining. That is someone that does not understand managment or labor. That kind of ignorance is almost impressive. If collective bargaining lost bargaining power, why would management not be for it, genius?
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        • Author by NoNannyNeeded (February 17, 2011 4:46 pm ET)
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          Surely you gest. I figured out how wrong unions were by the time I was 8yr old. My dad worked for the phone company and contract negotiations were being done. Since an agreement couldn't be made, CWA went on strike, causing my family to struggle financially. My dad just wanted to work but he told me he can't because if you cross a picket line you are called a "scab" and risked getting beat up. It had happened to a friend of his before. I asked why he was a member of the union then & he told me you have to be to wrok for the phone company. So expalin to me again the liberty of the union?

          They take you money, make decisions for you and use your money to fund projects or politicians you may not agree with.

          How on earth am I arguing violence is acceptable only on one side as you claim? I pointed out the Left are the ones who are screaming about the language yet don't see it from their side. The left are the ones who try to tie it to a talkshow host before any facts are in. the left are the ones who cry if Obama is compared to Hitler yet compared Bush & now Gov Walker. I am not being hypocritical as I have never called for violence. I'm just stating the obvious.
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          • Author by newzhound (February 17, 2011 6:10 pm ET)
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            NNN: I never gest.
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          • Author by carlileb5935 (February 17, 2011 8:28 pm ET)
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            Since an agreement couldn't be made, CWA went on strike, causing my family to struggle financially. My dad just wanted to work but he told me he can't because if you cross a picket line you are called a "scab" and risked getting beat up. It had happened to a friend of his before. I asked why he was a member of the union then & he told me you have to be to wrok for the phone company. So expalin to me again the liberty of the union?

            Your "dad" had no problem accepting the good pay and bennies that the union got for him, did he?

            What hypocrisy.

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            • Author by alwaysright1 (February 17, 2011 9:39 pm ET)
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              Why not speak to the hypocrisy of posters here that condemn the Tea Party but ignore the union protesters who are using crosshairs on the forehead of the Governor? Or the signs that say "don't retreat , reload", or how about the Hitler references?

              Are they acceptable tactics to you now that a group you support is using them?
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            • Author by freeopinions (February 17, 2011 10:10 pm ET)
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              My first wife's father worked for Boeing in Kansas, a "right to work" state, and refused to join the union, saying they were suckers and dupes. There was a strike and he crossed the lines every day laughing at the rubes who were losing money every day they picketed. Then when long strike was settled, he and all the other scabs took the higher rate of pay and the new benefits and laughed at the suckers who had struck and lost all that pay, because, he said, he got the same thing they got and didn't miss a day's work. How's that for not only hypocrisy but complete detachment from reality? It never dawned on that moron that without the strike and the sacrifice by the union he would have had no raise and no benefits. The union gave us the paid vacation, the 8 hour workday, overtime pay and benefits like pensions and health insurance. Prior to that, only the rich and management had those benefits, and if you look at what's happening today, the wages and benefits are decreasing and the workday is lengthening in direct proportion to the decline in union membership. They won't stop until we're a two class nation, royalty and peasants.
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              • Author by mikehuck1976 (February 18, 2011 11:27 am ET)
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                Yeah, apparently it hasn't dawned on NoNanny yet either. She actually thinks you get worse bargaining with collective bargaining. I notice she still had a hard time explaining why management would not be in favor of collective bargaining if that were the case. This entire "unions are bad for the country" argument seems about as confused as the rest of the arguments from the modern right. Not rooted in reality.
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              • Author by hypocritesRus (February 19, 2011 8:38 am ET)
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                freeopinions said: They won't stop until we're a two class nation, royalty and peasants.

                That is absolutely correct. Ummm, which side is the Union on? The peasant side or the royalty side? Because from YOUR example of union processes, they seem to be the royalty side. Thanks for proving the point NoNannyNeeded is making.
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          • Author by Moongal5 (February 17, 2011 9:39 pm ET)
               
            Maybe you don't 'gest'. But, maybe you jest.
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          • Author by indictgwbush (February 18, 2011 1:11 pm ET)
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            Let's see, signing statements,eavesdropping(before 9/11), so called free speech zones, no habius corpus,extraordinary rendition,meeting with oil company ceos to discuss energy policy,attacking and occuppying a country that didn't do a damn thing to us; yeah I'd say the previous administration, and your buddy walker are much more "hitler like" than the present one!
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          • Author by jonimacaroni1 (February 18, 2011 11:39 pm ET)
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            Baloney!

            If your Dad was truly a member of the phone company union, you guys made out like bandits when your Dad was on strike! I know CWA members. One spent the whole summer on the beach a few hours from our hometown. He'd travel back to collect the mail and do his time in the picket line, then go back to his family, living in a travel trailer on the beach!

            My cousin worked for the CWA for 37 years, and went on strike a couple of times during that time period. He never suffered.

            Being in a union protects you from greedy, selfish employers.
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      • Author by MsYellowDog (February 17, 2011 4:11 pm ET)
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        No,it's not "right." It's progressive.
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      • Author by aj.physics (February 17, 2011 4:50 pm ET)
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        Can you show a link for the signs? I've been trying to find one and can't. In fact the only signs I've seen have been fairly tame, but then I haven't seen a site yet showing a picture gallery.

        The governor's mansion is in Madison, gives tours, and is very much like the white house (on a much smaller scale). There are protests many days in front of the white house, as this is also not the first time that people have protested at the governor's mansion in Madison. "Dr. Tiller's replacement"'s house is not paid for and run by the government. She, unlike the governor, is a private citizen.

        The bit about Greg Baer seems to have occurred in May of last year... in Washington... having nothing to do with the protests in Madison.

        I agree with epkklk851 and Mikehick1976, Unions are not necessarily bad. Anytime one can get power, things can go wrong, but unions have really helped those of us who are not born with a silver spoon.

        Why assume that these protesters are violent, are kidnapping the students, or aren't protesting on their own time. They are taking sick leave, it's not like they just up and walked off the job. Sure all of them doing this at once (and the fact that many subs support them) means that some schools are having to close down, and will probably then have to add some extra days at the end of the year, but they are in fact "on their own time", they are just lying about being sick.
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        • Author by alwaysright1 (February 17, 2011 9:46 pm ET)
             
          Apparently you didn't look very long. Check the video.



          http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_021711/content/01125106.guest.html
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        • Author by Eric_Arthur_Blair (February 18, 2011 12:17 am ET)
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          Here's a link for a page with a lot of photos of the signs: http://www.prwatch.org/node/9944. I like the one about the goats.
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      • Author by jiminva (February 17, 2011 8:23 pm ET)
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        Unions are destroying many jobs in this country? Unions are 12% of the workforce. I think maybe you need to look at the other 88%. For the record....
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      • Author by carlileb5935 (February 17, 2011 8:26 pm ET)
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        You lose your baragaining power as an individual so that someone you don't even know can make decisions fgor you. Just doesn't sound right to me!

        What bargaining power?

        The reason we have unions is because individuals have no power. Grow up-- or get a REAL job and learn something about how the world works.
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    • Author by newzhound (February 17, 2011 6:13 pm ET)
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      I posted this on another site.

      Why is that totalitarian regimes always start with eliminating labor unions? Whether they are extreme left- or right-wing, they go after unions first.

      Communist Russia, Nazi Germany - get rid of the unions.

      Central and South American death squads? Go after the unions.

      I hope the Wisconsin National Guard didn't attend the School of the Americas...
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      • Author by carlileb5935 (February 17, 2011 8:30 pm ET)
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        Most National Guard people are public employees-- they get the time off.

        So, it'll be fun to watch them help out the Gov.
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      • Author by hypocritesRus (February 19, 2011 8:43 am ET)
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        newzhound said: Why is that totalitarian regimes always start with eliminating labor unions?

        From the examples you gave you must be talking about nations. So, using YOUR premise, President Obama is leading that "totalitarian regime" which wants to rid you of corrupt unions. Why aren't you whining about President Obama hating unions. Since he is the leader of THIS nation and NATIONS are the ONLY "regime" examples you gave that fit your whine criteria.
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    • Author by voltaire (February 17, 2011 7:43 pm ET)
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      Right wingers hate unions. I mean they HATE, HATE, HATE unions. One reason is that union members tend to vote Democratic. Another reason is that they have bargaining power against corporate interests, a crucial base of the Republican party. It is clear that the Republicans are using the deficit and budget issues to settle scores with certain interests and groups, including public employees' unions. The Republicans aren't concerned with jobs in this country, which is why Boehner said "So be it" when questioned about how his proposals would lead to a loss of government jobs. (Actually, they would lead to a loss of private sector jobs too, once people are out of work and stop spending on items.)

      Again, this has nothing to do with the deficit. If deficits and state budget issues were really concerns, they would consider revenue raising proposals, such as taxes. They would have also sounded the alarm when a Republican was last in the White House. Instead, we find in today's United States the sad state where those on the lower rungs of society are always asked to make a sacrifice while those in the top tiers are not. Anothe example: When Wall Street was given a bail-out, hardly any concessions were sought by the right. When the auto industry was seeking a bail-out, all we heard from the right was how the auto workers need to make concessions.

      Overall, unions have done great things for the working people in this country, including ensuring a decent standard of living, pension and health benefits. To bash hard-working teachers, firemen, sanitation men, etc. because they are public employees is pathetic. And I don't want to hear how government employees are all lazy and inefficient. Some are; most aren't. I've worked in the private sector my whole adult life. Some workers there are lazy and inefficient; most aren't.

      This is not a deficit or budget issue. This is an issue about how the Republicans and the right wing have lost their souls but, at the same time, are controlling the message in our media.

      PATHETIC.
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      • Author by carlileb5935 (February 17, 2011 8:33 pm ET)
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        Of course.

        My grandmother was an old-fashioned Republican, who used to say that unions were a "necessary evil" because the employers brought them down upon themselves.

        One time she was working for a company that was facing an IAM organizing effort, and she scolded the bosses-- she blamed THEM for making it happen!

        Ah, the good old days of sane Republicans.
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    • Author by andronimo (February 17, 2011 8:51 pm ET)
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      The union is dead in WI. Thank God for Scott Walker. Now we need to keep moving throughout the rest of the country and free up working americans from the greedy grips of the union leaders. Liberalism is dying a slow cruel death at the hands of the TeaParty and FOX news. Thank God. Now its almost time for your lazy libs to get a job. Almost time. You still can sit on your lazy buts for a while longer. Maybe one more election cycle and then the gravy train ends. Just like it is ending here in WI! Yay.
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      • Author by papajohn (February 17, 2011 9:43 pm ET)
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        I am tired of pointing out in detail how the Mainstream Media is complicit in this. You never change your tune at MMFA. You keep protecting them so here are the transcripts from CNN today. Read them:

        http://archives.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/

        John
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      • Author by indictgwbush (February 18, 2011 1:15 pm ET)
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        May you lose your job and starve to death: moron
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        • Author by hypocritesRus (February 19, 2011 8:47 am ET)
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          Excellant reply. Such a fine example of left-wing mentality: violent hate-mongering. With a splash of name-calling. Wow! What brilliant conversational tactics. You should get plenty of 'thumbs-up' for that one by the folks who treat others like you want to.
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          • Author by Johaely (February 19, 2011 3:46 pm ET)
               
            And this is an example of pure love:

            by andronimo (February 17, 2011 8:51 pm ET)
            0 8 The union is dead in WI. Thank God for Scott Walker. Now we need to keep moving throughout the rest of the country and free up working americans from the greedy grips of the union leaders. Liberalism is dying a slow cruel death at the hands of the TeaParty and FOX news. Thank God. Now its almost time for your lazy libs to get a job. Almost time. You still can sit on your lazy buts for a while longer. Maybe one more election cycle and then the gravy train ends. Just like it is ending here in WI! Yay.
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    • Author by afisher (February 18, 2011 12:02 am ET)
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      read the words that the Right are using and tell me if they don't sound very familiar. These are so similar to the statements made by Mubarak about the peaceful protestor's in Egypt.

      Righty Paul Ryan even equated these people to Egypt, which makes me think that he either doesn't know that the Egyptian protestor's succeeded or is hoping that no one here in the USA watched Al-Jazeera-english on this internetty thing.

      The ED Show was live tonight and worth a watch. (although I'm not sure when the podcast is available). Now the funny part is that Jack Welsh of GE posted a tweet of outrage. How did ED get away with FACTS!
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    • Author by Eric_Arthur_Blair (February 18, 2011 12:15 am ET)
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      From a Wisconsin newspaper:

      Just as he did as Milwaukee County executive, Scott Walker, now the governor, has chosen to bypass labor negotiations and include major wage and benefits concessions—and a drastic attack on long-standing principles of employee relations—in his budget repair bill.
      Typically, the executive honors labor agreements that have been negotiated with unions.

      But Walker is not a typical executive.

      He’s not negotiating. Instead, Walker said if necessary he would literally call in the National Guard.
      As Milwaukee County executive, Walker submitted two budgets that included tens of millions of wage and benefits concessions that had not been negotiated with the unions that represent county employees. Walker’s 2010 budget included $32 million of concessions that were not included in a tentative agreement his own labor negotiator had struck with unions at the time Walker had proposed his budget.

      Walker’s 2010 budget was so unfair that an examiner for the Wisconsin Employment Relations Commission declared that Walker had bargained in bad faith.

      But that hasn’t deterred Walker from using the same tactic now as governor.

      I so look forward to voting for Walker's recall.
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      • Author by papajohn (February 20, 2011 7:52 am ET)
           
        CNN PANDERS TO REPUBLICANS EVERY DAY AND MMFA IGNORES IT:

        Just one randomly picked example from yesterday. Just as with the other mainstream media (as evidenced daily in the WH Press Briefing that MMFA apparently never watches)the blame is always on the Democrats for a lack of bipartisanship:

        http://archives.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1102/19/smn.03.html


        So that's what's going on in Wisconsin, but this isn't just about Wisconsin. The stakes are high for other states facing some very serious budget problems.

        Senior White House correspondent Ed Henry explains.

        ED HENRY, CNN SENIOR WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Randi, House Speaker, John Boehner raised the stakes on Friday by charging President Obama and his allies are whipping what he called "Greece- style protest." And the Republican leader said this is undermining bipartisan efforts to solve these budget crises. Not just in Wisconsin, but all around the country.

        (BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

        CROWD (chanting): Kill the bill! Kill the bill!

        HENRY (voice-over): Think this is just a narrow budget fight in one state? Think again. BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Some of what I've heard coming out of Wisconsin where you're just making it harder for public employees to collectively bargain generally seems like more of an assault on unions.

        HENRY: The President knows Wisconsin is just round one in the national battle for control of the budget message. So he sent his outside political team, "Organizing for America," to help build even larger crowds. And union officials are vowing to keep up the fight in key 2012 political battlegrounds.

        (on camera): And this is beyond Wisconsin, it seems.

        ARLENE HOLT BACKER, EXECUTIVE VICE PRESIDENT, AFL-CIO: Absolutely. It is beyond Wisconsin. It is quite frankly, throughout the country. Whether it's in Ohio, New Jersey, New Hampshire, you see these attacks on workers.

        HENRY (voice-over): Labor officials charged teachers in Wisconsin are being unfairly targeted for deep cuts. They get smaller raises, pay more out of pocket for pensions and health care, and lose collective bargaining rights for both.

        Wisconsin's Republican governor Scott Walker staring at a $3.6 billion state deficit says he needs to cut somewhere. And he's getting air cover from House Speaker John Boehner, who like the President knows Wisconsin is really just a proxy for their own showdown coming March 4th when funding for the federal government runs out and a possible shutdown is looming.

        REP. JOHN BOEHNER (R-OH), HOUSE SPEAKER: He was elected to lead, not to sit on the sidelines.

        HENRY: Boehner aides privately tell CNN, they believe Democrats are trying to stop Walker because they're worried he and other governors will be able to quote, "Pull a Chris Christie" as in the Republican in New Jersey who faced down unions.

        GOV. CHRIS CHRISTIE (R), NEW JERSEY: We have two choices. It's either stand up and do the right thing, to speak the truth, and speak it bluntly and directly, or to join the long parade of leaders who have come before us and failed.

        HENRY: White House aides note that in his interview with the Wisconsin station, the President did say leaders at all levels will have to make tough choices.

        OBAMA: Everybody's got to make some adjustments to new fiscal realities. We had to impose, for example, a freeze on pay increases for federal workers.

        (END VIDEOTAPE)

        HENRY: But Republicans say the President started this week at a White House news conference saying he wanted quote, "Adult conversation with the Republicans to figure out how to pay for all these government programs."

        And now he's ending the week trying to expand the protests that may make it harder for both sides to come together -- Randi.

        KAYE: Thank you, Ed.


        When is MMFA going to get off the Far Right obsession and get back to exposing the mainstream media for doing the same thing just like they used to?

        John
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        • Author by papajohn (February 20, 2011 8:26 am ET)
             
          Yesterday in a purported Truth O Meter on MSNBCs Daily Rundown with Savannah Guthrie and Chuck Todd

          http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/3096434/#41643090

          Bill Adair of Politifact was asked about two statements President Obama made. One had been already rated a False by Politifact and the other not rated. Adair called it a "sly use of words"

          Guthrie and Todd then announced that the Truth O Meter is "equal opportunity" as Guthrie put it so they asked Adair about something Boehner said and then something DONALD TRUMP of all people said at CPAC ???

          John
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