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"Birther Idiot" From "The Fringe Elements" At Glenn Beck's The Blaze

March 24, 2011 3:40 pm ET — 87 Comments

Glenn Beck's website The Blaze is promoting Donald Trump's demand that Obama show his birth certificate, arguing that Trump's "logic is hard to argue with." Beck himself has repeatedly criticized the birther movement, calling birthers "idiot[s]" and "the fringe elements."

Beck's Website: Trump's Birther "Logic Is Hard To Argue With"

The Blaze: Trump's "Logic" On Obama's Birth Certificate "Is Hard To Argue With." Beck's website The Blaze featured an article headlined, "'Let Him Show His Birth Certificate': Trump Propels Birther Rumors on 'The View.'" In the article, Meredith Jessup, assistant editor of The Blaze, wrote:

It's interesting that Trump continues to bring this issue up.  The Left loves to paint so-called "birthers" as crazy right-wing wackos.  But as a household name, Trump obviously yields a bully pulpit similar to figures like Newt Gingrich and Sarah Palin who try and avoid the issue.

Does it suggest Trump will make a run for the White House?  Not necessarily, but the man's logic is hard to argue with... unless you're like Goldberg and quickly dismiss the enforcement of the Constitution's residency requirement as "BS" aimed at attacking America's first black president. [The Blaze, 3/23/11]

Beck Previously Called Birthers "Idiot[s]" And "The Fringe Elements"

Beck Calls Birthers "The Fringe Elements." From the February 17, 2010 edition of Beck's Fox News show:

BECK: OK. I showed you this chart yesterday and I said, you know, you're -- this is you kind of in the middle. The vast majority of people are in the middle. Conservatives over here, progressives are over here and the fringe elements -- the birthers and the 9/11 truthers are on this side with the progressives, and the birthers and the 9/11 truthers are over here with the conservatives as well.

But there is also something else over here. In fact, let me just flip this -- let me flip this over if I can and show you what the -- is it on this side, Erin? Let me show you what's on the other side here because it's not really right.

I was thinking about it last night and it's really not -- it's really not a straight line like that. It's more of a circle. OK?

Here are the total government people, right here. They meet here. You've got the progressives over here. You've got the anarchists, and I don't know, fascists, you know? The people who are hiding in the hills with their Nazi style. I don't even know who those people are.

But here they are. They're here -- on the left and the right, the crazy people that don't really like America. Got it?

In this group, you have communists like Van Jones. You have -- he's a 9/11 truther. You have Medina.

Now, I don't think -- she's not a communist, she's not an anarchist, she's really more of a -- this is a woman running for Texas governor. But she is a 9/11 truther or at least thinks that there is some good questions that haven't been answered. I'll agree with you but one of them is not: did George Bush blow up the World Trade Center?

Here's Alan Keyes, he's a birther.

This guy -- what is this guy's name again? He's a Democrat. He's one of the original birthers. What he's name? Phillip Berg? He's a Democrat. He was the first birther, or one of the first ones.

OK. So, you have these people. Then here, you have about -- maybe -- maybe her, about half. These people are the people that will just say, "No, it's the Republicans," "No, it's the Democrats." Have you noticed they're going back-and-forth and they're saying the same things? [Fox News, Glenn Beck, 2/17/10, via Nexis]

Beck Calls Birtherism A Conspiracy Theory, Says Birthers "Look Like" "Flat Earthers." From the August 4, 2009 edition of Beck's radio show:

BECK: Everybody says, everybody says, "why is Barack Obama not just producing the birth certificate?" Ok, first of all, he did. And you're never going to get, you're never going to get a conspiracy theory to stop. You're never.

BURGUIERE: Never.

BECK: I mean, we got a moon rock, sitting in the Smithsonian, and people don't -- I mean, you're never going to quell a conspiracy theory.

PAT GRAY: It's from the Arizona desert.

(laughter)

BECK: So --

GRAY: I'm just saying.

BECK: But, let me tell you this. One of the reasons why he doesn't just come out is because it is so great for him because it immediately marginalizes anybody who says that kind of stuff. It makes them immediately look like they're flat earthers. [Premiere Radio Networks, The Glenn Beck Program, 8/4/09]

Beck Refers To The "Birther Idiot." On the August 5, 2009 edition of his Fox News show, Beck said the following, after playing an ad condemning extremist Republican "mobs":

BECK: Had enough of the mob. I know I have been trying to get a hold of all the union people at the White House right now, telling them the same thing, I'm tired of the mob. Did I just say that out loud?

 

Out of the thousands of protestors, you notice the birther idiot is the only one the media continues to show over and over and over again? She's the only individual highlighted from this ad and the DNC, and then the ad dives into some sort of third grade, "They lost the election, boo- hoo."

 

Now, they're claiming the GOP has just released their fake angry mobsters to protest. GOP robots, you are now activated. Come alive! [Fox News, Glenn Beck, 8/5/09]

Beck Asks His Listeners To "Run Away From The Birther Movement." From the April 6, 2010 edition of Beck's radio show:

GLENN BECK: We're talking about this new audio from Michelle Obama, came out in 2008.

PAT GRAY: New to us, anyway.

BECK: Yeah, new to us.

GRAY: Almost two years old.

BECK: Yeah and it's starting to make the rounds, and I'm telling you, I'm telling you, please, run away from the birther movement. Run away. Let's just -- let's, let's just say, here's the case that people always make: Well it's against the Constitution, you care about the Constitution. Let's just say we live on another planet where everything is upside down and you're right. Do you really think that that's the most pressing issue today, that that's the one, that's the one that's gonna bring this guy down. Really? That one -- The birther issue. It's the biggest waste of time I have ever, ever seen. [Premiere Radio Networks, The Glenn Beck Program, 4/6/10]

Beck: Politicians "Must Not Excuse Birthers." From the February 18, 2010 edition of Beck's Fox News show:

BECK: OK. Let's look at the crazies. This is what I showed you last night. Here's the guy who filed the first birther lawsuit in Pennsylvania. He's a Democrat.

Here's the strongest probably birther on the right.

Here's a 9/11 truther. He hasn't killed anybody. But I certainly don't agree with his policies.

Now, I put Deb Medina up, she's running for governor in Texas. It's really not fair but I just don't have any name or any famous person that is a 9/11 truther on the right. But they're there.

Deb Medina who is running for governor of Texas is really here, just like Barack Obama is. It's OK. It's OK.

No, no, it wasn't OK when Barack Obama had him over here because this man is dangerous. He hasn't done anything. But he is -- he's not somebody who believes in the republic. He doesn't believe that our system is good; it's just been corrupted and needs to be reset.

No, no, no. No, no, no. Dangerous. I don't care if he's on the left or on the right.

And these people, no matter who they are, it could be a Republican, it could be George Bush. It doesn't matter. Lindsey Graham, I don't care who it is. These people must not excuse birthers.

Now, I suppose on the right, you could say we had Timothy McVeigh. But on the left, we've had William Ayers and we have Jeff Jones. These are the Weather Underground bombers.

These guys have been excused by politicians -- not just Barack Obama but here in New York. Jeff Jones is part of the Apollo Alliance, helped writing the stimulus package, helping the state of New York spend the stimulus package. He blew buildings up and so did he -- so did he.

Just like today. Just like today. No difference. This man must be condemned.

They have no place around politics. And while all of these people will excuse because it's fueled, they'll excuse radicals, because, "I don't know, it's just a -- I don't really listen to them. And besides, they really believe, they get out and they really make a difference." They're a danger to the republic.

Every single politician -- every single one -- must distance themselves from radicals. They must distance themselves from radicals, because they're just as dangerous as this one. This man has already done. These guys -- these two -- let's put it up -- these guys have already done violence. Nobody else has, but these have. [Fox News, Glenn Beck, 2/18/10, via Nexis, emphasis added]

Beck Mocks Birthers For Believing Obama To Be The "Manchurian Candidate." From the January 4, 2010 edition of Beck's radio show:

BECK: Today there is a concerted effort on all radio stations to get birthers on the air. I have to tell you, are you working for the Barack Obama administration? I mean, that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. First of all, let me just, let me just, let's just play these out. If you're a birther, you believe that the president of the United States was born in, they think Kenya, right? So he was--

STU BURGUIERE: Anywhere outside of here, I guess, but yeah.

BECK: Anywhere outside of the United States, so they believe he was born in Kenya.

GRAY: I think it was Manawaniahawa.

BURGUIERE: Really? It could be.

BECK: So you believe that he was born outside of the United States of America. And then somehow or another, he became, and I saw this movie with Frank Sinatra, oh yeah, it's called The Manchurian Candidate. So somehow or another, maybe he was indoctrinated, or whatever, and then he came over here and he ran and became president.

BURGUIERE: Well, also you gotta remember that he pre-emptively planted his birth announcements in the Hawaii newspapers back when he was actually born.

GRAY: Knowing, I mean his parents actually knew at the time that this man would become president.

BECK: That's what they want you to think. [Premiere Radio Networks, The Glenn Beck Program, 1/4/10]

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    • Author by right ON 2 (March 24, 2011 3:43 pm ET)
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      "Trump obviously yields a bully pulpit similar to figures like Newt Gingrich and Sarah Palin"

      Now there's a pulpit worth yearning for.
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      • Author by Glenn Beck Review (March 24, 2011 4:32 pm ET)
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        Really!

        This is weird. I just got done describing Beck as an anti-birther on some site today only to find out that The Blaze is now promoting Trump's idiotic pandering to the dumbest of the Republican base!

        This isn't hypocrisy; it is an example of the kids disobeying the parent or workers flipping the bird at the boss. It's really strange to see the Blaze support Trump's "logic." I'm going to have to dig into this.

        Beck keeps us way too busy.
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    • Author by IRONY 101 (March 24, 2011 3:50 pm ET)
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      The equally disturbing part is the pretense of some of these jokers, such as Trump, that they are intectually incapable of comprehending that a) the original piece of paper the hospital gave Barack Obama's mother at his birth is gone, and b) that Obama has long ago produced a certified copy of his birth certificate, issued and certified authentic and accurate by the State of Hawaii, which is legally sufficient for all purposes.
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      • Author by boulderhippy (March 24, 2011 3:57 pm ET)
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        certified copy
        Where?
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        • Author by raddave43 (March 24, 2011 4:03 pm ET)
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          Certified by the State of Hawaii.
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        • Author by jarossiter (March 24, 2011 4:15 pm ET)
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          Here
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          • Author by foghornleghorn (March 24, 2011 4:31 pm ET)
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            boulderhippy is a racist. He stated earlier today that the large black prison population is due to blacks being unable to integrate themselves into society.

            So it's no wonder he's a birther, because birthers are racists.
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            • Author by right ON 2 (March 24, 2011 4:40 pm ET)
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              Huh? What the hell does someone who is pushing the birther nonsense have to do with race, specifically? I mean, I know, Obama is black, so if that's your proof, you're just a race baiter - which is like one rung above a racist.

              Those who push this birther nonsense are politically driven, there is no evidence that all birthers are racists.
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              • Author by kabniel (March 24, 2011 4:47 pm ET)
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                that is BUNK. Foghorn didnt claim he was racist because of the birhter nonsense. He cited a clearly racist statement and claimed THAT showed he was racist. He didnt make ANY claim that all birthers are racist. His last statement just implies that racists have a motive to be birthers which is not the same as saying all birthers are racist. You trot out these silly strawman arguments constantly. Try to debate honestly
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                • Author by foghornleghorn (March 24, 2011 4:53 pm ET)
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                  I've got Tommy on <ignore> because he's intellectually dishonest and won't engage in a constructive debate and thinks the mere mention of race makes one a race baiter.

                  But to be honest, I actually was saying that I believe that all birthers are racists.
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              • Author by Badtime (March 24, 2011 8:27 pm ET)
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                No president in the history of this country has been challenged on his identity. When he sunk to the level of the birthers and played their game by producing said certificate, they still didn't believe the evidence.

                My question is this: Why?

                Why is it okay to question President Obama's birth when proof has been provided? Why is it okay to question his religion when we have that thing called the 1st Amendment?
                Why is it okay to assume his political decisions come from some form of racial resentment (looking at you Huckabee)?

                I'll tell you why these people think its okay - because they see him as something different than themselves..something less American than his presidential predecessors. Now, it can't be his politics. Presidents in the past have done similar things. Can't be the money, because taxes are lower than they've been in a while.

                So what is the difference between President Obama and every other president in history? I'll come out and say it since connect the dots is hard - it's because a lot of people aren't okay with a black man in the White House and are using this birther nonsense as an excuse to hide their racism.
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                • Author by mikehuck1976 (March 25, 2011 11:15 am ET)
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                  I absolutely agree. What reason other than race is there to question the president's birth certificate or his religion or his hatred of white people or his hatred of colonialism (which always makes me laugh at the teabaggers).
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                  • Author by right ON 2 (March 25, 2011 11:33 am ET)
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                    The reason? Politics.
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                    • Author by mikehuck1976 (March 25, 2011 11:36 am ET)
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                      They did everything with Clinton including accusing him of facilitating murder. I do not remember them challenging his birth certificate.
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                      • Author by right ON 2 (March 25, 2011 11:52 am ET)
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                        You just answered your own question. They will pretty much stoop to anything in the name of politics to discredit a Democrat.
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                        • Author by mikehuck1976 (March 25, 2011 12:40 pm ET)
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                          That, in no way, clears them of the claim of racism. Why are the bizarre claims against the black president so different than the bizarre claims against the white one?
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                          • Author by right ON 2 (March 25, 2011 12:43 pm ET)
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                            Well, I don't default to claims of racism, I expect there to be proof or evidence of it. And pushing to see someone's birth certificate is not evidence of any racial motivation. Different? Well Bill Clinton and Barack Obama are not the same person, so why should unfair attacks against them be the same?
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                            • Author by mikehuck1976 (March 25, 2011 1:00 pm ET)
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                              Really? There is not attachment of race to "he was not born here, he was born somewhere else"? Or to "he believes in Afrian anti-colonialism"? Do you really believe that or are you being purposefully obtuse? I have to say, I see just as much harm in refusing to ever acknowledge racism as in race-baiting.
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                              • Author by right ON 2 (March 25, 2011 1:07 pm ET)
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                                We are talking strictly about the birthers.

                                And no, there is nothing inherently racist about claiming someone was not born here. How do you get that? It's been proven to be a baseless bunch of nonsense to try and invalidate a president the loony right despises, the same way the loony right despised Clinton and tried to do the same to him with trumped up baloney.

                                And if you are inferring I never acknowledge racism based on this birther idiocy, that is just ridiculous. I acknowledge it when I see it. Not until.
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                                • Author by jonimacaroni1 (March 25, 2011 9:10 pm ET)
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                                  Purposefully obtuse, "mikehuck", "right ON" is always being purposefully obtuse. That's his schtick.
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                                • Author by Badtime (March 26, 2011 6:30 pm ET)
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                                  No buddy, your argument is thin.

                                  1. No, it is not racist to claim someone wasn't born here. It IS racist to continue to make said claim despite presented evidence that he is indeed a US citizen as these birthers are prone to do in an attempt to portray him as something other than American.

                                  2. Just because you haven't seen something does not mean it doesn't exist. I haven't ever seen the Great Lakes, but I'm sure they're real.
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                    • Author by jonimacaroni1 (March 25, 2011 11:38 am ET)
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                      Nope, dope, not because of politics. They've never behaved this way towards any other opposing politician, so it can't be tied to political differences now.
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              • Author by mikehuck1976 (March 25, 2011 11:13 am ET)
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                What reason other than race is there to push this birther nonsense. Can anyone show me another modern president that had to answer any such nonsense?

                Even McCain, who was actually born outside the country, never had his citizenship doubted by anyone with any level of influence on the left.
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            • Author by Glenn Beck Review (March 24, 2011 4:42 pm ET)
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              There's no data supporting that, but it feels that way in my gut.

              Beck likes to come off as an anti-racist, but I'm going to be posting a piece later today that shows one of his defenders to be clearly a racist.

              What was on the chopper at the front of a Simpson's episode? "Not Racist But #1 With Racists."

              Indeed!

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            • Author by doughpro1604643 (March 25, 2011 10:37 am ET)
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              boulderhippy is a racist. He stated earlier today that the large black prison population is due to blacks being unable to integrate themselves into society.

              It's true, but since something like that is too tough to accept and doesn't sound pc enough, we will just stick with convincing the people that the black prison population is the fault of white folk and their privilege.
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              • Author by mikehuck1976 (March 25, 2011 11:16 am ET)
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                It is true that blacks are unable to integrate themselves into society? And, you do not think you are a racist? How adorable.

                "we will just stick with convincing the people that the black prison population is the fault of white folk and their privilege." - doughboy

                Now, that is classis race-baiting, righton.
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          • Author by somnambulist (March 24, 2011 7:08 pm ET)
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            The worlds needs a permanent 'short link' JUST to that image, thus assuring a most effective use of time when needing to give such one-world replies.
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          • Author by Glenn Beck Review (March 25, 2011 7:41 am ET)
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            Thanks, I just used that link.
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        • Author by Maimon (March 24, 2011 5:37 pm ET)
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          The Presidents birth certificate has been on ABC...NBC...MSNBC...PBS...Jim Leher, etc...

          Hawain birth certificates of this period are IDENTICAL to the one the President has.

          You simply refuse to admit it...cause you are afraid.
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          • Author by shnoopy (March 24, 2011 5:52 pm ET)
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            Amen.
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          • Author by jonimacaroni1 (March 25, 2011 11:40 am ET)
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            Replacement certificates of live birth are just like the one that Obama showed to Factcheck. The original birth certificate that was created right after Obama was born looked different.
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            • Author by DNA (March 26, 2011 11:37 am ET)
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              How do you know? Did you see it?
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              • Author by jonimacaroni1 (March 27, 2011 2:07 pm ET)
                   
                How do I know? Because I've seen birthers show examples of the birth certificates that were given out in Hawaii in the early 1960's, that's how.
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        • Author by emzee (March 24, 2011 6:44 pm ET)
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          "Where?"

          Where in the Constitution is it written that a candidate has to supply a birth certificate to become President?

          I take it you voted for W. "Where" was the proof of WMD's? Bush,
          Cheney and Rumsfeld should be tried for war crimes and you Wing Nuts are worried about a birth certificate?

          Lame.



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        • Author by Greencat_left (March 25, 2011 12:09 am ET)
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          Bippy, check out this investigation by FactCheck.org.
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        • Author by mari2jj (March 25, 2011 1:22 am ET)
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          Actually, one would have to be a Klu Kluxer racist, a total bigot, retarded, or just plain simple minded to even speak any of this stupidity that keeps questioning Obama's Hawaiian birth. His birth announcement is in the archives of the Honolulu Advertiser, Both our own Party's governor and the Health Department Director (Republicans in case you did not know) physically observed the Health Department record of his live birth and categorically stated that indeed, Barack Obama was born in Hawaii as his birth certificate plainly says. People in our party who deny this or even question it are either totally stupid, a total ideologue, or big fat racists. Just take your pick. The law does not say that a Presidential candidate has to furnish his birth certificate to every stupid person who is so dumb they cannot absorb factual information.
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        • Author by Eddy (March 25, 2011 2:38 am ET)
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          Birthers KNOW Barack Obama was born in the United States, they just want people to fight about the subject. World Net Daily website (as far right as you can get) started this rumor when Obama
          threw his hat in the ring. There are many websites showing his certificate of live birth/birth certificate, but the factcheck link below has 9close-up links of the certificate..... If people are so IGNORANT and don't want to believe the Hawaii officials,...then let them be, as NO ONE with any
          IQ would believe the Birther conspiracy. And NO ONE would VOTE for anyone that believed it....

          Donald, are you listening?

          http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
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      • Author by ultrasanktpauli (March 24, 2011 3:58 pm ET)
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        yea i don't know how these people can be serious.
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    • Author by MickD (March 24, 2011 3:55 pm ET)
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      This just came up again on The Heritage/Koch Wheel of Lies and most likely one of the banks they own has Trumper by the short ones.
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    • Author by HenHouse (March 24, 2011 4:05 pm ET)
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      Trump also clashes with bekkies rant yesterday on people who stop paying their mortgages, those immoral scofflaws bringing down the country. Trump rightly argues that giving back his properties to the bank is written in the contract which both sides agreed on when they consummated the deal. Pay or return the property is the deal, it's not a broken promise, it's performing one of your contract options.
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    • Author by Glenn Beck Review (March 24, 2011 4:54 pm ET)
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      I've contacted the author to asked why she approvingly wrote about Trump's "logic," but I'm not expecting a response. No one at The Blaze responds to my queries. (I think they know who I am.)
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    • Author by steeve (March 24, 2011 7:08 pm ET)
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      "the man's logic is hard to argue with"

      What about mentioning that Hawaii newspaper clipping? Doesn't that, like, shatter the whole birther movement in seconds? Maybe we can try that.
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      • Author by somnambulist (March 24, 2011 7:15 pm ET)
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        The Daily Show had an alternative (satirical) take-- given we know his parents were in Hawaii at/around conception, either life does indeed start at conception and he's a citizen, or no to both questions. ...And even then there's still the fact that we HAVE the actual birth certificate.

        Sadly, there might not be a single pro-choice Birther on this planet, so an informed discussion on this will never actually happen.
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    • Author by worrierking (March 24, 2011 8:05 pm ET)
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      I don't understand this whole birther thing.

      Even if the president were born on Mars, he was born to an American citizen, making him a natural born American citizen and entitled to all of the benefits of natural citizenship.

      I don't care what anyone else says, this smacks of racism. The same article that makes foreign born John McCain a natural citizen would make any children born to Stanley Ann Dunham Obama natural citizens too.
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      • Author by HenHouse (March 24, 2011 9:19 pm ET)
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        I don't understand if the document that has been provided is the best the State can supply. I know that anything more than the standard replacement document would be playing into the Fux inspired ignorance but this is a special circumstance and it should be considered. I'm not saying that Pres. Obama should react, just the State.
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        • Author by raddave43 (March 25, 2011 12:55 am ET)
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          By law the state of Hawaii can only release a birth certificate to that individual or a close relative.
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        • Author by Eddy (March 25, 2011 3:15 am ET)
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          HenHouse,

          I will leave you the same post as I did BoulderHippy. Check out the link below,... and THEN COME BACK AND STATE YOUR CASE!

          Birthers KNOW Barack Obama was born in the United States, they just want people to fight about the subject. World Net Daily website (as far right as you can get) started this rumor when Obama threw his
          in the ring. There are many websites showing his "Certificate of Live Birth/Birth Certificate," but the factcheck link below has 9 close-up links of the certificate..... If people are so IGNORANT and don't want to believe the Hawaii officials,...then let them be, as NO ONE with any IQ would believe the Birther conspiracy. And NO ONE would VOTE for anyone that believed it....

          http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
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        • Author by jonimacaroni1 (March 25, 2011 11:50 am ET)
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          HenHouse wrote "I don't understand if the document that has been provided is the best the State can supply."

          It is. If you don't have the original birth certificate that was created right after the birth, then you get what Obama showed to FactCheck. In New York State, you still get a replica of the long form. My copy that I got a few years ago so I could get a passport shows the signature of the doctor who died a month after I was born.

          Some government official in Hawaii wanted to show the public more of the underlying data, but he was told that he couldn't do that. What we got is the best they can do.
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    • Author by DNA (March 24, 2011 9:56 pm ET)
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      Although Ann Dunham was a US citizen, there seems to be a problem in that she hadn't lived in the US for 3 years after her 18th birthday when Barack was born. I don't know that this makes a difference, but Obama was already elected President, so it's a moot point.
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      • Author by HenHouse (March 24, 2011 10:12 pm ET)
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        I hate to give Magcynic a shouting point but I missed that argument.

        so an 18 year old American born citizen, with both American parents is being claimed to be 'provisional' in their minds? what about the thousands of US college students studying abroad?
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      • Author by foghornleghorn (March 25, 2011 12:01 am ET)
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        I don't know that this makes a difference

        It doesn't.
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      • Author by raddave43 (March 25, 2011 12:59 am ET)
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        That law that you refer to only applied to US citizens giving birth outside the country. Therefore, the whole "birther" nonesense was born. First, they used your statement to claim he is a natural bor citizen. When someone pointed out what the law said, the came up with the crap that he was born in Kenya.
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      • Author by Eddy (March 25, 2011 3:28 am ET)
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        She was a US citizen and the child was born in Hawaii. It makes NO difference how long she had live there or her age. Women give birth everyday that have not lived in that State, (or any other) for one day let alone a certain amount of years before giving birth. That doesn't mean the child isn't a citizen....! That comes from "World Net Daily" and their little games.
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        • Author by DNA (March 25, 2011 8:19 am ET)
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          Hate to disappoint you but I have never, in my life, even laid eyes on a copy of "World Net Daily", so it doesn't come from there. It's from something else I read Last year or the year before. The only thing I was trying to say is that ANYTHING pro or con is a moot point now. I am not one of those lunatic "BIRTHERS" and agree as to the validity of his birth in Hawaii. So, I don't appreciate any of anybody's sarcasm.
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          • Author by DNA (March 25, 2011 8:24 am ET)
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            Further, I wasn't referring to any State in particular: I was referring to the country. And, I certainly didn't say I agreed with that hypothesis.
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            • Author by jonimacaroni1 (March 25, 2011 12:06 pm ET)
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              Bull.

              You said "there seems to be a problem..."

              That's saying that you think that there's a problem! That's saying that you agreed with the hypothesis. You've said that despite that problem, since he's already been elected, it's now a moot point (another thing I disagree with), but you did, in fact, say that you thought that it was a problem.

              The rule you're speaking of has no relevance to Obama since he was born in Hawaii to a US citizen in 1961. Here's a link to the info - it only applies if one was born outside of the USA to a US citizen.

              http://shusterman.com/uscitizenshipchart1.html
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              • Author by DNA (March 25, 2011 12:15 pm ET)
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                I never intended to imply that I didn't think Obama was a citizen. You and foggy seem intent on picking a fight with someone. Relax. I'm one of you. Sorry you misunderstood my choice of words. BULL right back to you.
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                • Author by jonimacaroni1 (March 25, 2011 9:15 pm ET)
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                  I didn't misunderstand anything.

                  You're the one who wrote "There seems to be a problem.....".

                  If you meant to write other words, then the problem is that you didn't write other words. I simply read the words that you wrote.

                  You said that it's a moot point - that despite the problems that you believe are there, it's too late to do anything about it! So, clearly, if it weren't too late to do something about it, if it weren't a moot point, then you'd think that something should be done about it!

                  Your words weren't misunderstood. You're lying now. Now, you might have used the wrong words, but all I did was fairly interpret your words.
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                  • Author by DNA (March 26, 2011 7:00 am ET)
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                    Look right above this I said it came from something I had read. WA! WA! WA!
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                    • Author by DNA (March 26, 2011 7:06 am ET)
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                      At least, foggy said that he realized we were talking about two different things and I thought that was really cool! What the hell is wrong with you?
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                    • Author by jonimacaroni1 (March 27, 2011 2:18 pm ET)
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                      I never thought you dreamt it up. Of course you got it from some other source. There was never a doubt about that. The issue is that you then stated that it was your opinion that it was a problem, but a problem that was resolved and made moot by the fact that he got elected president.

                      It was never a problem though. That was a strawman argument by birthers who stripped the context from one paragraph from citizenship laws either from ignorance or dishonesty.
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          • Author by foghornleghorn (March 25, 2011 10:26 am ET)
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            The only thing I was trying to say is that ANYTHING pro or con is a moot point now

            Wrong, wrong, wrong!!! You couldn't be more wrong. It is NOT a moot point. Obama is still president. He'll be running for re-election. These are lies meant to brand him as "the other" and "not one of us".
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            • Author by DNA (March 25, 2011 10:58 am ET)
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              BULLS%@*!!!!!! It IS a moot point. Obama was already elected and the issue of his birth seems to have become a dead issue. I never believed he was anything but a US citizen and, as far as I'm concerned, he STILL is and ALWAYS will be "one of us". I hate this. You're grabbing at straws.
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              • Author by foghornleghorn (March 25, 2011 11:49 am ET)
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                I think we're talking about two different things. It is a moot point that he's a citizen. It's not a moot point that these attacks are politically motivated by the racist wing of the Republican party.
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                • Author by DNA (March 25, 2011 12:20 pm ET)
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                  And, I agree with you. You and jonimacaroni seem intent on picking a fight with someone. I'm sorry my choice of words didn't meet with your approval.
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                  • Author by jonimacaroni1 (March 25, 2011 9:17 pm ET)
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                    It wasn't that we didn't understand or approve of your choice of words.

                    You wrote what you wrote. If you didn't mean what you actually wrote, then you should have written something different. The problem is all yours.
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      • Author by jonimacaroni1 (March 25, 2011 11:52 am ET)
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        That's a lie, gardenia. One doesn't have to have one's mother live in the USA for some specified time after her 18th birthday in order to be a US citizen. He had US citizenship the moment he was born, regardless of what his mother did after his birth!
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        • Author by DNA (March 25, 2011 12:24 pm ET)
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          I'm not going to dignify that outragous comment with a response except to say that I don't appreciate being called a LIAR (in not so many words). Go take a flying leap! You misunderstood, too.
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          • Author by DNA (March 25, 2011 2:38 pm ET)
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            Oh, I forgot! Hey, jonispaghetti or joni baloney,be sure and take that http with you when you take that leap. You see, I already knew that. My former husband was born in Aberdeen, Scotland to a Scottish mother and American father.
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          • Author by jonimacaroni1 (March 25, 2011 9:19 pm ET)
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            Don't lie and you won't be called a liar.

            It wasn't a problem that his mother didn't live in the USA for some period of time after she turned 16 or 18. You said it was.

            Maybe you didn't mean that, but you said that. If you didn't mean what you wrote, you should have written what you did mean! The onus is on you to write what you mean, or apologize for failing to do so. The onus isn't on me to give a different meaning to what you wrote in order to make you look better!
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            • Author by DNA (March 26, 2011 6:56 am ET)
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              I said in later posts that it wasn't something I believed; it was something I had READ either "last year or the year before". Things became clearer in later posts, but I guess you didn't bother to read any of them. You had already decided that I was an @#%hole! And, I sure as hell, didn't appreciate it. And, don't tell me that you don't care what I do or do not appreciate - I already know that. Tell me. Where did you get your doctorate in English? WA! WA! WA!
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              • Author by jonimacaroni1 (March 27, 2011 2:24 pm ET)
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                The person whining here and all over MediaMatters is you.

                I was attacking what you originally wrote. Then I was attacking your pretense that the problem was with other's interpretations of the meaning of the words you wrote, rather than the fact that the problem was with the words that you wrote. If you believe differently than what you wrote, terrific. That still doesn't make it our fault that you said something you didn't really mean.

                I have no opinion about you. What you wrote, that there was a problem due to the fact that she didn't live in the USA for long enough after he was born, is a lie. It will always be a lie. It was always told to deceive people. Good people tell lies sometimes, and scoundrels often tell the truth.
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    • Author by ObserveThis (March 25, 2011 12:23 pm ET)
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      You idiots (birthers), he has released it.. You freaks just refuse to believe it for some reason.

      I know you guys hate Obama so much that you'll do anything to tear him down, but really.. the birther thing is tired and old, and now, just plain ol' sad.
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      • Author by DNA (March 25, 2011 12:29 pm ET)
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        I am not an idiot BIRTHER! You misunderstood, too. I've always been 100% behind Obama and will be in the future.
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        • Author by jonimacaroni1 (March 25, 2011 9:22 pm ET)
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          You need to stop blaming others when you apparently did a terrible job of posting, and you totally misstated how you felt about the issue.

          You said it was a problem. You said that it was a problem, but that it was water under the bridge because he was already president.

          It's not our fault for repeatedly telling you that it wasn't a problem! It would have only been a problem if he'd been born outside the USA, and he wasn't.
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          • Author by DNA (March 26, 2011 7:12 am ET)
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            WA! WA! WA!
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            • Author by DNA (March 26, 2011 8:30 am ET)
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              Gee, spaghetti, I just re-read your post above. Seems you have a doctorate in psychology,too. Gee, it must be wonderful to be you!
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              • Author by jonimacaroni1 (March 27, 2011 2:26 pm ET)
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                I've read your posts only once. There was no need to reread them in order to fully grasp their entire content. You're mostly whining after being caught trying to pawn off your own shortcomings onto others.
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        • Author by ObserveThis (March 26, 2011 2:48 pm ET)
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          i wasn't talking to you.. i was talking to idiot birthers.. I didn't read any of previous back-and-forth comments. My response was inspired by the article, not anything you, or anyone other else may have posted.
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          • Author by DNA (March 27, 2011 6:58 am ET)
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            Accepy my apology, then. I was already irritated by the comments of someone else and I jumped to conclusions. I'm sorry.
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        • Author by ObserveThis (March 26, 2011 2:48 pm ET)
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          i wasn't talking to you.. i was talking to idiot birthers.. I didn't read any of previous back-and-forth comments. My response was inspired by the article, not anything you, or anyone other else may have posted.
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      • Author by jonimacaroni1 (March 27, 2011 2:28 pm ET)
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        He has not "released" his birth certificate.

        He has released his certificate of live birth. There's a difference. Now, as far as the State Dept is concerned, there's everything needed to prove citizenship on the COLB.

        See my posts above - Hannity is raising a distinction without a difference to mislead and confuse.
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