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Experts Reject Fox News' Claim That Drilling Can Solve Dependence On Foreign Oil

March 31, 2011 1:12 pm ET — 77 Comments

On Fox News, Eric Bolling advanced several energy myths that have been debunked by experts, including the claim that the U.S. could end its dependence on foreign oil by expanding domestic drilling.

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Bolling Claims U.S. Can Reach Energy Independence Through Domestic Drilling

From the March 29 edition of Fox News' America Live:

ERIC BOLLING: The bottom line is there's plenty of oil. We just need to be able to get it, access it here. We've got more oil than Brazil. We've got more oil than Saudi Arabia. How about an energy policy that isn't blocking, hindering, and obstructing our own drilling companies?

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BOLLING: We have hundreds of billions of barrels equivalent sitting right here in America, we just have to permit it.

MEGYN KELLY (host): If you can get the permit. Now, let me ask you this because, you know, the president in defending that thing with Brazil said, look, even if we started drilling everything -- he didn't say this, but defenders would argue - even if we started drilling in all those places tomorrow, it's going to take us a few years, right?

BOLLING: Absolutely.

KELLY: So Brazil, why not import from Brazil as opposed to one of these Middle Eastern countries that may not be our friend, you know, in full and Brazil we can rely on. So what's wrong with both tapping into Brazil oil and our own?

BOLLING: Because we need our own. We don't need Brazil, we don't need Saudi Arabia, we don't need Chavez in Venezuela. We need our own.  [Fox News, America Live, 3/29/11]

Experts Reject Notion That U.S. Can Eliminate Oil Imports By Drilling

Tom O'Donnell: "It Is Impossible For The U.S. To Ever Again Achieve Energy Independence From Oil Imports By Producing More Oil At Home." Tom O'Donnell, professor of Graduate International Affairs at The New School and expert on the globalized energy sector responded to Bolling's claim by stating "It is not possible given the level of US proven reserves, for the US to become 'energy independent' (in terms of oil)." Further, O'Donnell explained:

Mr. Bolling asserts: "We have hundreds of billions of barrels equivalent sitting right here in America, we just have to permit it."

However, one should be careful with numbers. Speaking of the U.S. in terms of "100's" of billions of barrels of reserves is a gross overstatement of what we have available here in the U.S. yet to be pumped out of the ground.

Here are the actual numbers:

According to the U.S. Energy Information Agency at the DoE, the entire world, in 2009, had 1,354 billion barrels of proven reserves of oil.

Meanwhile, the U.S., including offshore and Alaska, has only 19.1 billion barrels. (In 2010, this number didn't change significantly.)

This means that the US has only 1.4% of all the world's proven oil reserves.

The numbers I cited include all the reserves Mr. Bolling would like to begin pumping in order to somehow make the U.S. independent of imports.  However, Alaska's entire reserves are only 3.6 billon barrels, and the entire Gulf Coast offshore has 4.0 billion barrels.  There simply are no "100's of billions of barrels" of untapped reserves in the U.S.

It is impossible for the U.S. to ever again achieve energy independence from oil imports by producing more oil at home.  We, like all other industrialized countries today, must rely on a well functioning world oil market.

As for consumption, the world consumed on average 84.4 million barrels of oil per day in 2009, of which the US consumed 18.8. million barrels, or a remarkable 22% of all the world's oil.

There is simply no way that a country that consumes 22% of all the world's oil but has only 1.4% of the world's proven oil reserves can pump that much more extensively or more rapidly on those reserves to become independent of all imports. [Email to Media Matters, 3/30/11]

Chris Nelder: Could We Achieve "True 'Energy Independence'"? "Through Drilling Alone, The Answer Is 'Not Even Close.' " According to energy analyst Chris Nelder:

True "energy independence" would mean producing 18 to 20 mbpd, not the roughly 5.5 mbpd we are producing today. Could we do that?

Through drilling alone, the answer is "not even close." In total, I estimate that if all limits on drilling were removed, including the OCS and ANWR, we could only increase US oil production by a maximum of 2-3 mbpd. That new production would come online slowly, and the additional flow would be hardly noticeable as it compensated for the loss in conventional oil production due to sheer depletion. If it lowered prices at all, it would be by a few pennies per gallon, at best. [Energy & Capital, 4/29/09]

Amy Jaffe: Even If The U.S. Opened "All Areas For Drilling, We Would Still Have A Hard Time Eliminating 100 Percent Of All Need For Imports." In an email to Media Matters, Amy Jaffe, Rice University fellow in Energy Studies and director of the Energy Forum at the James A. Baker Institute responded to Bolling's claim that we wouldn't need to import oil if we expanded drilling in the U.S.:

No, chances are, were the US to open up all areas for drilling, we would still have a hard time eliminating 100 percent of all need for imports of 12 to 14 million b/d. We would have to be willing to drill a huge amount and all around the country and then we might be able to eliminate most of our imports. [Email to Media Matters, 3/30/11]

EIA: U.S. Will Still Import 41% Of Oil By 2030 Even If We Opened Vast New Areas To Drilling. The U.S. Energy Information Administration has estimated that even if the Pacific and Atlantic coasts and the eastern Gulf of Mexico were all opened up to drilling, the U.S. would still be importing 41 percent of the oil we use in 2030. [EIA.doe.gov, March 2009]

Bolling Blames High Gas Prices On Lack Of Domestic Production

Bolling Cites Declining Domestic Production As Reason "Why Our Prices Are $3.59 At the Pump Now." From America Live:

KELLY: He came out a couple of weeks ago and offered remarks on this and went on the offensive, saying those kinds of criticisms don't match with reality, Eric. And what he said was that our oil production has reached the highest level ever in the Gulf of Mexico. The highest level ever, he says.

BOLLING: Wrong. Wrong. He's wrong. He either lied or he's been misinformed because Steven Chu, his energy czar, can't get his own act together and figure this out. Our domestic oil production is on the decline. Go to EIA.gov, it's the Department of Energy's website. It will tell you, onshore drilling, field drilling has gone from almost 10 million barrels a day to about 5 and a half million barrels a day. Offshore isn't spiking. Our domestic oil production is on the way down, while our demand for oil is on the way up. That's why our prices are $3.59 at the pump now. And when Obama took office, $1.83, 96% higher. [Fox News, America Live, 3/29/11]

Industry Experts Agree: Expanding Domestic Production Won't Solve High Gas Prices

Lou Crandall: "Gasoline Prices At The Pump Would Be Higher" Even If U.S. Had Increased Drilling. Lou Crandall, chief economist of Wrightson ICAP LLC, an independent research firm that analyzes high-frequency economic data, told Media Matters via email:

Higher oil prices today are a global phenomenon, and the additional supply from increased drilling by the U.S. would not alter the global balance of supply and demand greatly.  Gasoline prices at the pump would be higher either way.  The only difference is that a somewhat larger share of the revenue would accrue to domestic interests (governmental and private) rather than to foreign suppliers. [Email to Media Matters, 3/14/11]

O'Donnell: "The Amount Of Extra Oil That The U.S. Would Produce" Would Have "Almost Insignificant" Effect On Prices. O'Donnell said blaming the high gas prices on the administration's drilling policy mistakes correlation for causation. O'Donnell further stated:

Even if you gave permission to drill, it might take generally about seven years for oil to get to market. So that has absolutely no effect on the price of oil today. None whatsoever. The amount of extra oil that the U.S. would produce, as far as affecting the world price of oil, is almost insignificant.

People who say producing more oil will bring price down for Americans are missing the fact that it's a world market. For instance, oil produced in North Slope may very well go to Japan. There's not a separate market -- It's a world market. [Phone conversation with Media Matters, 3/14/11]

AEI Scholar: "We Probably Couldn't Produce Enough To Affect The World Price Of Oil." According to a Greenwire article published by the New York Times:

If gas prices keep increasing, Republicans probably will make a push on increased fossil fuel production, said Ken Green, resident scholar with the American Enterprise Institute think tank.

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But experts disagreed about how much impact additional drilling could have. Crude oil is a global commodity, Green said.

"The world price is the world price," Green said. "Even if we were producing 100 percent of our oil," he said, if prices increase because of a shortage in China or India, "our price would go up to the same thing.

"We probably couldn't produce enough to affect the world price of oil," Green added. "People don't understand that."

U.S. production could be negated by decisions that the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries makes, said Philip Verleger Jr., energy economist, and David Mitchell EnCana, professor of management, at the University of Calgary's business school.

"Suppose the U.S. were to boost production 1 million barrels a day," Verleger said. "OPEC has the capacity to cut 1 million barrels."

The oil industry has been able to convince people there is a connection between U.S. drilling and prices, Verleger said. [Greenwire via NYTimes.com, 1/4/11]

PolitiFact: Experts Agree That Expanding Offshore Drilling "Would Have Little Effect At The Pump Any Time Soon." From PolitiFact's evaluation of Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz's (D-FL) statement that a "5 percent increase in domestic production would increase the world supply by less than 1 percent and do almost nothing to our dependence on foreign oil. This would also have virtually no effect on the price of gas at the pump.":

Background on drilling and gas prices

PolitiFact wrote:

The political momentum for offshore drilling has always risen and fallen along with gas prices. But while there are strong arguments that can be made in favor of offshore drilling, reducing the cost of gas "here and now" isn't one of them, according to oil experts and economists -- many of whom support the plan.

For starters, the lead time for oil exploration takes years. Even if offshore drilling areas opened up tomorrow, experts say it would take at least 10 years to realize any significant production. And even then, they say, the U.S. contribution to the overall global oil market would not be enough to make a significant dent in the price of gas.

"Drilling offshore to lower oil prices is like walking an extra 20 feet per day to lose weight," said David Sandalow, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution, and author of Freedom from Oil. "It's just not going to make much difference."

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We ran Wasserman Schultz's claim by Jamie Webster, a senior consultant with PFC Energy, which tracks oil production and demand globally and whose clients are governments, including the United States., [sic] and oil and gas companies. We also heard from Daniel J. Weiss, who has written extensively about oil prices and policy and is a senior fellow and director of climate strategy at the Center for American Progress, which describes itself as a progressive think tank. Both Webster and Weiss agreed with Wasserman Schultz.

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Let's review: Wasserman Schultz's math adds up -- Gulf drilling does indeed represent about 5 percent of current domestic production, and a 5 percent increase would barely register in terms of the world supply. And the experts we found for this Truth-O-Meter as well as ones cited in the past about McCain's claim agree that expanding drilling now would have little effect at the pump any time soon. We rate this claim True. [PolitiFact.com, 12/1/10, emphasis original]

DOE In 2009: Reinstating Offshore Drilling Ban Would Increase Prices By Merely 3 Cents Per Gallon. From the Department of Energy's 2009 Annual Energy Outlook:

The U.S. offshore is estimated to contain substantial resources of both crude oil and natural gas, but until recently some of the areas of the lower 48 OCS have been under leasing moratoria [56]. The Presidential ban on offshore drilling in portions of the lower 48 OCS was lifted in July 2008, and the Congressional ban was allowed to expire in September 2008, removing regulatory obstacles to development of the Atlantic and Pacific OCS [57, 58].

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To examine the potential impacts of reinstating the moratoria, an OCS limited case was developed for AEO2009. It is based on the AEO2009 reference case but assumes that access to the Atlantic, Pacific, and Eastern/Central Gulf of Mexico OCS will be limited again by reinstatement of the moratoria as they existed before July 2008. In the OCS limited case, technically recoverable resources in the OCS total 75 billion barrels of oil and 380 trillion cubic feet of natural gas.

The projections in the OCS limited case indicate that reinstatement of the moratoria would decrease domestic production of both oil and natural gas and increase their prices (Table 9). The impact on domestic crude oil production starts just before 2020 and increases through 2030. Cumulatively, domestic crude oil production from 2010 to 2030 is 4.2 percent lower in the OCS limited case than in the reference case. In 2030, lower 48 offshore crude oil production in the OCS limited case (2.2 million barrels per day) is 20.6 percent lower than in the reference case (2.7 million barrels per day), and total domestic crude oil production, at 6.8 million barrels per day, is 7.4 percent lower than in the reference case (Figure 13). In 2007, domestic crude oil production totaled 5.1 million barrels per day.

With limited access to the lower 48 OCS, U.S. dependence on imports increases, and there is a small increase in world oil prices. Oil import dependence in 2030 is 43.4 percent in the OCS limited case, as compared with 40.9 percent in the reference case, and the total annual cost of imported liquid fuels in 2030 is $403.4 billion, 7.1 percent higher than the projection of $376.6 billion in the reference case. The average price of imported low-sulfur crude oil in 2030 (in 2007 dollars) is $1.34 per barrel higher, and the average U.S. price of motor gasoline price is 3 cents per gallon higher, than in the reference case. [U.S. Department of Energy, Energy Information Administration, accessed 3/7/11]

Bush Administration Energy Department: Additional Offshore Drilling "Would Not Have A Significant Impact" On Crude Oil Prices Before 2030. According to a 2007 report by the U.S. Energy Information Administration:

The projections in the OCS access case indicate that access to the Pacific, Atlantic, and eastern Gulf regions would not have a significant impact on domestic crude oil and natural gas production or prices before 2030. Leasing would begin no sooner than 2012, and production would not be expected to start before 2017. Total domestic production of crude oil from 2012 through 2030 in the OCS access case is projected to be 1.6 percent higher than in the reference case, and 3 percent higher in 2030 alone, at 5.6 million barrels per day. For the lower 48 OCS, annual crude oil production in 2030 is projected to be 7 percent higher--2.4 million barrels per day in the OCS access case compared with 2.2 million barrels per day in the reference case (Figure 20). Because oil prices are determined on the international market, however, any impact on average wellhead prices is expected to be insignificant. [U.S. Department of Energy, Energy Information Administration, accessed 3/7/11]

EIA Analyst: Total Offshore Production Would Amount To "Less Than 1 Percent Of The Total Projected International Consumption" In 2030. From a September 2008 Scientific American article:

So are promises of U.S. oil independence real--or rhetoric? The issue is not whether the U.S. can significantly reduce its reliance on oil imports with domestic, offshore oil, say both [oil expert Robert] Kaufman and [energy researcher Ian] Nathan, but whether there is enough that is recoverable to significantly lower the price of a barrel of oil on the global market.

Even by 2030, offshore drilling would not have a significant impact on oil prices, according to [EIA analyst Phyllis] Martin, because oil prices are determined on the global market. "The amount of total production anticipated--around 200,000 barrels a day--would be less than 1 percent of the total projected international consumption."

And disruptions to the global supply affect the price of every barrel of oil the U.S. purchases, whether it be from Saudi Arabia, Venezuela or off the New Jersey coast. "Suppose the U.S. got all its oil domestically, and the price was $100 a barrel. Then the Saudi family was deposed," disrupting that country's oil exports, Kaufman says. "The Saudis produce about 10 million barrels a day of the world's 85 million, so clearly prices would go up, because now there is this big shortfall of oil."

"Do you think oil companies are going to sell [U.S. oil] to U.S. consumers for anything less than top price?," he asks. "The answer is no." [Scientific American9/12/08]

Newsweek: Oil Prices "Determined By Global Supply And Global Demand." From a March 31, 2010, Newsweek commentary by Ben Adler:

Oil, you see, is a fungible global commodity. The oil that one drills for in Texas powers a car the same way that oil from Kuwait does. So the price that Texans pay for oil is determined by global supply and global demand, not how much oil is drilled on the Gulf Coast.

In a market economy such as ours, opening an area for drilling does not mean that the U.S. government controls its destination. Shell and Chevron will be perfectly happy to sell their oil to China if Chinese drivers are willing to pay more than Americans. The U.S. could produce exactly as much gasoline as it consumes and it would still feel the effects of, say, a decision by Hugo Chávez or Vladimir Putin to stop selling any oil. If global supply drops precipitously, global prices will rise, and unless we plan on nationalizing the oil industry--a move I doubt either Democrats or Republicans will endorse--the fact that we are drilling for more oil near our shores won't protect us from the price shock. [Newsweek3/31/10]

Bolling Pushes "Bogus" Claim That Obama Is Responsible For Ex-Im Loan To Brazil

Bolling Claims Export-Import Loan To Brazil Shows Obama Favors Foreign Drillers. From America Live:

BOLLING: Here's a very good example of the difference between the way the Obama administration treats our domestic drilling with foreign drillers. He's offered -- the import/export, the export-import bank, I'm sorry, has a $2 billion loan outstanding, available, already approved, waiting for Petrobras --  Brazil - to tap. That's our money we're going to loan them to drill. Meanwhile people, these oil companies are jumping through hoops trying to get a permit to drill here. Can you imagine if he gave us $2 billion to drill? Prices would start to come down. [Fox News, America Live, 3/29/11]

FactCheck.org: Claim That Obama Ordered Loan Is "Bogus." From a FactCheck.org article titled "Bogus Brazilian Oil Claims" which debunked the claim that President Obama loaned "$2 billion to Brazil's oil company to benefit China and George Soros":

This claim stems from a "preliminary committment" made back on April 14 by the board of directors of the Export-Import Bank of the United States. The bank intends to loan up to $2 billion to finance exports to the Brazilian oil company Petróleo Brasileiro S.A., known as Petrobras, over the next several years.

The e-mail is false on two counts.

  • The message falsely says the decision was due to an "executive order" by the president. No presidential order was required. Furthermore, none of President Obama's appointees had joined the Ex-Im board at the time of the vote, which was unanimous, and bipartisan. The Ex-Im Bank states: "In fact, at the time the Bank's Board consisted of three Republicans and two Democrats, all of whom were appointed by George W. Bush."
  • The message falsely claims that "we have absolutely no gain" from the loan. In fact, the loan is being made specifically to finance purchase by Petrobras of U.S.-made oilfield equipment and services. The mission of the Ex-Im Bank is to encourage exports by making such loans.[FactCheck.org, 9/18/09]

Ex-Im Bank: "Bipartisan Board Unanimously Approved The Preliminary Commitment To Petrobras ... Before Any Obama Appointees Joined The Bank." According to a fact sheet issued by the Export-Import Bank of the United States:

Charge: The loan to Petrobras represents a reversal of the Obama Administration's policies on off-shore drilling.

Fact: The Bank's bipartisan Board unanimously approved the preliminary commitment to Petrobras on April 14, 2009, before any Obama appointees joined the Bank. In fact, at the time the Bank's Board consisted of three Republicans and two Democrats, all of whom were appointed by George W. Bush. [U.S. Export-Import Bank, accessed 3/30/11]

Forbes Contributor: "The President Of The United States Does Not Decide Who Gets Export-Import Bank Loans." In a blog post on Forbes reporting on the renewed controversy regarding the Export-Import Bank loan to Petrobras, former Dow Jones reporter Kenneth Rapoza wrote:

When Obama went to Brazil the weekend of March 19-20, the "Obama loan" resurfaced in the online news narrative. Soros profited! It was borderline insider trading! Why are we funding offshore drillers in Brazil, but not in the US? It makes no sense.

With a nod to Jerry Seinfeld..."ladies and gentlemen, I implore you."

Obama had nothing to do with the loan, or non-loan, because no money has changed hands. The President of the United States does not decide who gets Export Import Bank loans. The president's role is to appoint board members who are confirmed by the Senate. The board members decide. [Forbes3/21/11]

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    • Author by raddave43 (March 31, 2011 1:17 pm ET)
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      The bottom line is there's plenty of oil. We just need to be able to get it, access it here. We've got more oil than Brazil. We've got more oil than Saudi Arabia.


      MMFA needs to call out Bolling on this lie as well.
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      • Author by m.welker (March 31, 2011 1:25 pm ET)
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        Actually I think they have, and have on pretty much every lie with regards to this belief that beginning drilling today will dramatically reduce prices tomorrow, next week, next year, etc.

        In fact, the article is almost as redundant as the Fox talking heads who keep disseminating the lie the article responds to.
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      • Author by foghornleghorn (March 31, 2011 1:26 pm ET)
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        And the other "soft" lie is that increased drilling here does NOTHING to lessen our dependence on foreign oil because we don't have a nationalized oil industry. More drilling = greater profits for the oil corporations, not lower prices or more independence from foreign oil.
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        • Author by jonimacaroni1 (March 31, 2011 2:14 pm ET)
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          Obama gave a great speech on Energy yesterday. We have 2% of the reserves and use 25% of the supply. More drilling can't change that inequality very much.
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        • Author by scubafox (March 31, 2011 2:17 pm ET)
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          More profits. Exactly. See my post, when it appears, pointing out that oil corporation exports from the U.S. are 24% of imports, a 150% increase over exports/imports ratio in 2003. As imports have fallen, exports have risen by close to the same amount. I call it economic treason and why the U.S. must nationalize the industry.
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          • Author by glenda76 (March 31, 2011 11:35 pm ET)
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            Or start seriously about getting efforts underway to get the US off of the internal combustion engine. It is over 100 years old, certainly the "american exceptionalism" that the right howls about will be able to do that.
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    • Author by David2012 (March 31, 2011 1:31 pm ET)
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      The question is whether Bolling is dumb, ignorant, or dishonest? Or possibly some particularly potent mixture of the three. How can these people sit there, on national television, and continue to peddle this complete nonsense? Doesn't anybody ever call them on it?

      I suppose the point is that they want more oil drilling in the United States -- there's money to be made there, after all -- and they are trying to put the argument in the most extreme, simplistic, apocalyptic terms in order to attract support. So they don't really care whether what they say is true or not. Since Bolling presumably knows better, that militates for a conclusion that he is mostly just an old-fashioned liar.
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      • Author by nerzog (March 31, 2011 1:52 pm ET)
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        A certain percentage of the population has decided that working toward anything resembling real energy independence is just not worth the trouble; the payoff is too far off in the future.

        Better to poke more holes in the Earth's crust and fatten the wallets of a handful of Oil Company CEOs, with a few drops trickling down into the stockholders' portfolios. Let the next generation figure out what to do when the Oil is gone.
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        • Author by jonimacaroni1 (March 31, 2011 2:30 pm ET)
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          PBS had a great special on last night about the current generation of Earthlings being unwilling to look at the 'costs' of neglecting the problems we're going to be causing with climate change in the near future. People complain about the cost of doing something, but they ignore the cost of not doing anything.

          It's the same with fossil fuels. The cost of doing nothing is going to be seen in the future, and they don't care about that.
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          • Author by CoolSlaw (April 01, 2011 11:53 pm ET)
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            Not only do they not care, but the current mentality of the right wing is to mock and ridicule the very concept of long term planning for energy, diplomacy, conservation, and economics.

            Is it a nefarious conspiracy? On some level I believe there are elements of conspiracy. More likely it's a perfect storm of opportunism, greed, and radical ideology coming together. It's also quite true that authoritarians never let a good crisis go to waste.

            Our apathy and ignorance will continue as the oil supply dwindles with Asia, Latin America, and the third world increasing the demand worldwide. How fortunate for those who control the supply that we were too confused and politically hamstrung to start making preparations for the end of a finite resource. The nations that are starting to make the transition to renewable energy now are the ones that will dominate and prosper in a post fossil fuel world.
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      • Author by ccreadme (March 31, 2011 1:58 pm ET)
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        Perhaps we should "Follow the Money" and see where Bolling's investments are. He makes this ridiculous claim everyday, so he MUST have a stake in drilling.
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        • Author by foghornleghorn (March 31, 2011 2:24 pm ET)
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          Well, Fox and Friends followed the money after 9/11 when Bolling proudly showed charred bundles of cash that he kept in a safety deposit box at the World Trade Center as proof that the attacks personally affected him.

          Who keeps cash in a safety deposit box unless they're doing something illegal?
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    • Author by scubafox (March 31, 2011 2:11 pm ET)
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      Eric Bolling lying on Fox News. No surprise about that. But, as cynical as I am about oil corporation behavior, what I describe below surprised even me. Talk about blatant disregard for the U.S. economy. The sources cited miss a fundamental point: they're exporting more and more U.S. oil.

      There should be no offshore oil and gas leasing, nor increased U.S. production, (1) because exporting is depleting U.S. oil resources and (2) because of negative impacts on the environment. Amazing quantities of oil, 24% of imports, are being exported from the United States, not to meet U.S. needs, but to increase Oil Corporation profits. This is a 150% increase over exports/imports ratio in 2003. As imports have fallen, exports have risen by close to the same amount. To lower prices to increase economic and national security we must stop exporting oil. Oil corporation behavior is a betrayal of U.S. interests. The entire industry should be nationalized to serve the public interest.

      Google "Petroleum Prevarication" to find the data and graphs.
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    • Author by wesley (March 31, 2011 2:14 pm ET)
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      We need to drill baby drill for oil and natural gas. We need to dig baby dig for coal. We need to fast track nuclear power, wind and solar. Hydro...you bet. Home grown bio-diesel and ethanol...without a doubt.

      We need energy, period. All this in-fighting between agenda driven factions has got to stop. It only produces a quagmire for producing more energy...which is leading us backwards to subsistence living with 40 acres and a mule.
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      • Author by jonimacaroni1 (March 31, 2011 2:34 pm ET)
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        We need to go after renewable energy sources. We need to minimize, not maximize, our usage of non-renewable energy sources, especially oil. We can't affect the cost or the supply very much with extra efforts in drilling for oil or digging for coal, but we can really hurt the environment and the wallets of our descendents if we push the extra usage of those non-renewable fossil fuels.

        We need renewable energy sources to be greatly expanded. We can't just think of ourselves here. We can't ignore the future costs of us doing nothing now. We can't just think of the costs today if we work on expanding renewable energy sources now.
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        • Author by David2012 (March 31, 2011 2:45 pm ET)
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          There is, by definition, a finite amount of fossil fuel. There is something to be said for conserving ours and consuming theirs for as long as possible, it seems to me. Renewables is the way the human race is going to have to go, probably along with nuclear. The problem with the latter, in addition to catastrophic events, is how to dispose of the spent fuel, and that is also a place to which research should be directed. "Drill, baby, drill" is typically short-sighted, selfish, and generationally dishonest, putting today ahead of tomorrow.
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          • Author by wesley (March 31, 2011 2:56 pm ET)
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            -- generationally dishonest, putting today ahead of tomorrow. -- David2011

            Nope...it's putting it ahead of your children and grandchildren having to live like your forefathers.
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            • Author by southernlady (March 31, 2011 3:01 pm ET)
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              You are being willfully dishonest here wesley. Nobody is talking about returning to life as it was for our forefathers. That is just a strawman argument borne out of dishonesty.
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              • Author by wesley (March 31, 2011 3:25 pm ET)
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                southernlady

                What's really sad are those that are fooling themselves by being "willfully dishonest" in believing the simpleton pap that we can replace fossil fuels anytime in the near future with conservation and renewable energy.

                But I understand the need for some to comfort themselves with feel good emotions...keep putting that tooth under the pillow.

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                • Author by bilbo_dies (March 31, 2011 3:55 pm ET)
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                  We need to drill baby drill for oil and natural gas. We need to dig baby dig for coal. We need to fast track nuclear power, wind and solar. Hydro...you bet. Home grown bio-diesel and ethanol...without a doubt.

                  Nothing like simplistic, feel good statements, huh Wes?

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                • Author by jonimacaroni1 (March 31, 2011 6:30 pm ET)
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                  The sooner we do more in that direction, the sooner it will happen, and the better off our grandchildren's environment and climate will be. No one said that we could do it really soon. That's simply a strawman argument from one of the most serially dishonest posters on this site.
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                  • Author by southernlady (March 31, 2011 6:40 pm ET)
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                    joni, There seems to be a common thread among a few of our right wing posters here that sounds very familiar. I have only been here a short time but I have read where right ON 2 may have several identities and dishonestly posting under them? Is this true? Is wesley one of his hand puppets?

                    I hope MMFA removes his posting privileges if that is the case. There is no room for such dishonesty here.
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                    • Author by aBeck in 10-O-C (March 31, 2011 6:57 pm ET)
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                      Oh my, you have missed out on lots of past intrigues and shennanigans here. Welcome to the circus, southernlady ;-)
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                      • Author by southernlady (April 01, 2011 11:28 am ET)
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                        aBeck in 10-O-C, I am not really interested in past intrigues or shennanigans. I am only trying to get an idea of who is honest and who is dishonest since my arrival here. And that can happen on both sides. Posting under multiple screen names is dishonest, nobody should be allowed to do that.

                        Apparently even joni thinks I am doing that. But I am not.
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                    • Author by pongotwistleton (April 01, 2011 9:14 am ET)
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                      joni, There seems to be a common thread among a few of our right wing posters here that sounds very familiar.

                      Joni, (formerly operating under DunceDolly) is a dumb, lying troll, who repeatedly lies about her identity. But you already know that, because southernlady's just a "sockpuppet" of Dolly/

                      I hope MMFA removes her posting privileges here. There is no room for such dishonesty here on these sacred boards.
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                      • Author by jonimacaroni1 (April 01, 2011 11:15 am ET)
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                        Hmm, just as I predicted earlier today on another thread - that "southernlady" was a creation of "right ON", so that he could later claim that I was posting using multiple screen names!

                        I didn't post under any other names, but the issue here for "right ON" is that on the same day, he'll post under multiple screen names. And when he wants to reply to someone who he has on his (right ON's) "ignore list", he'll log in as someone else and post using that alternative screen name, thinking he's fooling someone.
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                      • Author by southernlady (April 01, 2011 11:24 am ET)
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                        pongotwistleton, You're a liar. I have not posted under any other screen names so your slimy accusations to distract from the topic at hand is sad. And hypocritical considering you may be one of right ON 2's other identities. Projection, much?

                        jonimacaroni1 is not me, and I am not her.
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                        • Author by pongotwistleton (April 01, 2011 11:34 am ET)
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                          Sure Dolly. Your claim that you're a "creation" of righton is pretty funny though.
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                          • Author by CoolSlaw (April 02, 2011 12:07 am ET)
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                            How weird and distracting. I don't see any reason for our regular liberal posters to take alternate screen names. In my experience, the reason for taking multiple screen names is for the purposes of:

                            A) Creating the false impression that the ideology is being more strongly represented by motivated posters.

                            There are plenty of single handle motivated liberal posters here. It is a site that mirrors the frustration liberals feel at the antics of the right wing media machine, so it's only natural and follows suit.

                            B) In order to repost the same talking points/new distractions without responding to earlier rebuttals.

                            There is absolutely no reason for Joni or any other liberal poster to do this, as conservative posters are constantly rebutted with far more in depth factual research and opinion than conservative posters here. In fact, one of the great disappointments of these threads is the lack of quality rebuttals and outright evasions and distractions posted by the conservative posters.

                            C) Concern trolling

                            It just doesn't make sense for our regular liberal posters to use sock-puppets here. On the other hand, let me be brutally honest and state that conservative media and conservative media followers have strayed so far from the desire for honest debate, that it just falls into character in addition to the reasons I listed above.

                            Sorry if that sounds elitist or biased. One can only read so much dishonesty before growing tired of the games and attempts at trickery.
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                            • Author by mcbane (April 02, 2011 2:37 am ET)
                                 
                              I notice the conversation ended with that, SC...
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                              • Author by mcbane (April 02, 2011 2:38 am ET)
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                                CS
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                                • Author by CoolSlaw (April 02, 2011 3:26 pm ET)
                                     
                                  It was getting pretty ridiculously off-topic. I think it has more to do with the weekend arriving then anything else though, mcbane.

                                  By the way, did you take your handle from the Simpsons parody of a Schwartzenegger movie character? If so...props! Love the Reiner Wolfcastle character and movie spoofs.
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                                  • Author by aBeck in 10-O-C (April 02, 2011 6:27 pm ET)
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                                    I agree with you CS.
                                    And I think I support Joni's theory that she is being set up. Why? Because I don't think she would be dumb enough to make the following sockpuppet mistake:
                                    jonimacaroni1
                                    southernlady

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                • Author by jediknight65 (March 31, 2011 6:37 pm ET)
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                  how about being dishonest about the finite amount of fossil fuels....what do you suggest when there ISNT any left oh wise one?
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                • Author by Maimon (March 31, 2011 11:43 pm ET)
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                  The idea that the US can be" independent" is a myth. We will always really on some form of outside supplier.
                  The only real exception to this is nuclear powers and we have no will or desire to embrace this source.

                  Conservation is key, efficientcy is key and better planning is key. You only have to look at how we haphazardly build cites. WASTE.

                  Wesley, you talk about the tooth fairy as if it is a leftist conspiracy, but movement conservativism is a large part of the problem. They formulate an energy policy with the elite of oil and coal and only make it easier to pollute and profit. This, in the long term costs us more money.

                  This is the same group that passed the " clear air act" which raises the pollutant levels energy producer can produce without being legally liable. Talk about tooth fairy.

                  Being efficient and smart with our resources is not about " feelin' good", it is about making our lifestyle more sustainable.

                  Oil has been artificially suppressed by the US. The actual costs for a barrel of oil is really about $100 per barrel and it will only get higher as we use it faster.

                  Most of the really big oil sources are already known and being exploited. Hoping that we magically find huge deposits is a really fantasy. Natural gas is a short term solution aswell. It is time to move forward...

                  I know you are afraid Wesley...they keep telling you to be afraid. Why waste the time and energy..why not look forward.
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                  • Author by jjcomet514 (April 01, 2011 9:06 am ET)
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                    Called out again on his stupidity and selfishness, Wesley abandons the field like the coward he is. Only a moron like our little W could read this article and still splutter "drill, baby, drill." Tell me Was, is being that ignorant physically painful? Because it should be...
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            • Author by raddave43 (March 31, 2011 3:10 pm ET)
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              Our forefathers used renewable energy?
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              • Author by eweston8542983 (March 31, 2011 3:43 pm ET)
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                They used a lot of real horsepower which could easily reproduce itself. Two horsepower could easily become a half a dozen horse power over a few years.
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                • Author by CoolSlaw (April 02, 2011 12:12 am ET)
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                  Hey! I mean....hay! And oats! Don't forget to add the oats and hay to that equation.

                  Sorry, thought I'd try being "cute" with that one.
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            • Author by jonimacaroni1 (March 31, 2011 6:28 pm ET)
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              Using lots of non-renewable resources today and for the next 50 years isn't going to make life better for our grandkids. It's going to make life much worse for them. Spending some money today to develop and move to renewable energy would be better than spending a lot more money later to do the same thing!
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              • Author by southernlady (March 31, 2011 6:36 pm ET)
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                You are again, exactly right. We have a responsibility to our children and grandchildren to invest in resources that will improve the health of our planet. Those that scoff at the idea are selfish. Dishonest posters like wesley have shown that side of himself on this thread!
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          • Author by wookie (March 31, 2011 5:46 pm ET)
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            We should also look at reprocessing the nuke fuel to reduce waste. I know there is concern about terrorists getting a hold of it but it should be manageable. And with the situation in Japan who needs terrorists?
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      • Author by jediknight65 (March 31, 2011 6:35 pm ET)
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        tell ya what when gas companies in PA start hiring local people instead of bringing in people for their workforce maybe ill agree with you on the drilling for natural gas.

        and also when gas companies stop using dangerous and toxic chemicals that enables myself or anyone to LIGHT OUR TAP WATER ON FIRE!

        but we know thats NEVER going to happen.
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    • Author by Andy Kreiss (March 31, 2011 2:20 pm ET)
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      Duh, this is exactly why Fox spends so much money buying their own "experts".
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      • Author by Maimon (April 01, 2011 10:20 pm ET)
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        Fox has been waging a war on real experts for years. Breibart and others try to make it sound like "big money " is at stake in academia. Let me tell you, the money for grants is nothing comapred to say LOBBYIST money. Fox hires ideologue, who sometimes have some knowledge, but mostly they hire people that use GOP talking points.

        Ann coulter called herself an expert on mobs and liberals during the early stages of the Egyptian revolt against Mubarak. I'm not sure how she claims that title. She also said she had seen no women participating....with a screen full of women behind her. LMAO

        Hannity talks about military issues like he is called in for weekly strategy updates at the Pentagon and the White House. I forgot what was his rank? Did he go to military college e.g. West point? Annapolis? What aspect of warfare is he an expert on?

        Beck claims to have esoteric knowldege that " they don't want me to share". We know Glenn the raisins in Rasin Brand are not really raisins right?

        Real experts are few and far between. A real expert is seldom ideologically driven. Experts are simply a source of information, not opinion. When asked for their opinion, an expert will caution listeners that this is not the ONLY POV ( point of view). A scientist would tell you it is " possible and probable" or "possible but improbable". anything is possible, but somethings are more probable than others.

        P.S. A caveat here...Just because something is " improbable" does nto mean it can't happen, hence the "possible" aspect. A thousand improbable events, one or more events could happen. People who are often called experts dislike that title.

        LMAO....I really love existence....it is so awesome...LMAO
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    • Author by takemycountryback (March 31, 2011 4:49 pm ET)
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      Experts? Please! This if FOX. Experts went to college which means they are elitists which means they are stoooopid!!! Hello?
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    • Author by Chameo (March 31, 2011 6:24 pm ET)
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      If we'd been working toward renewable energy since Nixon first mentioned it and Carter made it a major cause, we'd be independent of oil and other finite energy sources by now. For the past fifty years, we've handed over huge incentives and subsidies to coal and oil industries -- not to mention the transportation industry -- to maintain our dependence on oil and increase their profits.

      If even a fraction of that money had been focused on developing alternatives and converting the infrastructure to support an economy based on renewable energy sources -- of all sorts -- we'd be sitting pretty now, instead of engaging in an endless series of wars to ensure continued access to all the money to be made on oil.

      Drilling for oil here to reduce our dependence on foreign oil is sort of like a heroin addict learning to grow poppies to reduce his dependence on his pusher. It won't happen anytime soon, and even when it does, he's still addicted.
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    • Author by markmaginn7023 (March 31, 2011 6:51 pm ET)
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      Eric Bolling has specialized in trading gas and crude oil. Do you think he's a Libertarian, an Independent or a Democrat? Mr. Bolling works for Fox News, an organization that is thought by many to be, and let's practice a little charity here, sympathetic to the Republican Party, the party often thought to be more than a little sympathetic to large, wealthy corporations, corporations of whom it is thought that spend large amounts of money mostly on the campaigns of Republican candidates. Could it be that, like Fox News Mr. Bolling, deeply involved, it appears in the energy industry, is sympathetic to the Republican Party and, therefore, to the financial backers of that party? Surely this has nothing to do with his repeated canards about how much oil our energy companies could produce domestically if only they were unfettered? Surely this has nothing to do with telling little white lies about how gas prices at the pump would fall, thus helping the pocket books of average Americans who then might believe that the nasty old Democratic Party is responsible for $4 a gallon prices at their local gas stations because we do not expand domestic drilling? Nah, not possible. That would be too much like a conspiracy theory, and we know what we think about conspiracy theories, don't we?
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    • Author by markmaginn7023 (March 31, 2011 6:51 pm ET)
         
      Eric Bolling has specialized in trading gas and crude oil. Do you think he's a Libertarian, an Independent or a Democrat? Mr. Bolling works for Fox News, an organization that is thought by many to be, and let's practice a little charity here, sympathetic to the Republican Party, the party often thought to be more than a little sympathetic to large, wealthy corporations, corporations of whom it is thought that spend large amounts of money mostly on the campaigns of Republican candidates. Could it be that, like Fox News Mr. Bolling, deeply involved, it appears in the energy industry, is sympathetic to the Republican Party and, therefore, to the financial backers of that party? Surely this has nothing to do with his repeated canards about how much oil our energy companies could produce domestically if only they were unfettered? Surely this has nothing to do with telling little white lies about how gas prices at the pump would fall, thus helping the pocket books of average Americans who then might believe that the nasty old Democratic Party is responsible for $4 a gallon prices at their local gas stations because we do not expand domestic drilling? Nah, not possible. That would be too much like a conspiracy theory, and we know what we think about conspiracy theories, don't we?
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      • Author by jayboiler (April 02, 2011 5:06 pm ET)
           
        The democratic party IS responsible - they are in charge. Obama admitted he would like to see $4 a gallon.
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    • Author by as promised (March 31, 2011 11:24 pm ET)
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      It would only work if the US was to nationalize its oil and production. That's pretty obvious. I doubt that the Right has planned on that.
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    • Author by Hoagie742 (April 01, 2011 12:22 am ET)
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      How amazing it is that there is never any mention of the Bakken Oil Reserves in North Dakota. The North Dakota Department of Mineral Resources has estimated the amount of oil at 167 Billion Barrels...How is possible that this was never discussed in the article...Shame
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      • Author by highliter (April 01, 2011 2:32 pm ET)
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        Same with the 1.5 trillion barrels we have in shale oil
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        • Author by jaguarundi (April 01, 2011 6:02 pm ET)
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          And we have literally tons of GOLD in ocean seawater.
          Any PLAUSIBLE ideas on how to extract it?
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          • Author by jaguarundi (April 01, 2011 6:21 pm ET)
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            Most of the current proposals are not economical or have big downsides.

            Are you fine with strip mining Utah, Colorado and Wyoming and "extracting" the oil from the excavated shale? What do you do with cubic miles of burnt and "coked" shale. With estimates of using between 3 to 20 gallons of water per gallon of refined crude, this will put a strain on already dry western states. The residue from these processes will make the ecological mess from historical gold/silver/lead mining look like child's play.
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            • Author by CoolSlaw (April 02, 2011 12:19 am ET)
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              But, but, but....DRILL BABY DRILL?

              Yeah, and let's not forget all the oil and mineral right leases the oil companies have now and aren't using. It appears to be a ploy to manipulate public sympathy for the profiteers so they can grab up whatever licenses are left and then extract according to their best interests, not necessarily the best interests of the consumer or the nation.
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    • Author by Tony Stark (April 01, 2011 12:45 am ET)
         
      interesting on article on 8 ways Bush caused the oil boom...

      http://www.currencytrading.net/features/8-ways-the-bush-administration-has-caused-the-oil-price-boom/

      is there an echo in here?

      Obviously, pixels are recyclable.
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    • Author by highliter (April 01, 2011 2:31 pm ET)
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      We have 1.5 TRILLION barrels of oil in Shale oil reserves alone. MMFA and all you left wingers never figure this in. When you figure in our shale oil reserve we have more oil than Saudi Arabia. Brazil, Russia, Germany, Estonia and China already use shale oil.
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      • Author by congero6189599 (April 01, 2011 3:16 pm ET)
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        Ummmm...maybe because the technology to retrieve the oil from Oil-Shale formation is not proven to be cheap or safe for the environment.
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        • Author by highliter (April 01, 2011 3:54 pm ET)
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          UMM well Brazil, Russia, Germany, Estonia and China dont seem to have a problem with it.
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          • Author by jaguarundi (April 01, 2011 6:28 pm ET)
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            Crap, Just shorten your name to "High". Do you know anything about petroleum or chemical engineering?

            Most of the current proposals are not economical or have big downsides.

            Are you fine with strip mining Utah, Colorado and Wyoming and "extracting" the oil from the excavated shale? What do you do with cubic miles of burnt and "coked" shale loaded with carcinogens? I hope they keep it where your children have to be exposed to it but more likely we'll all be exposed to it. With estimates of using between 3 to 20 gallons of water per gallon of refined crude, this will put a strain on already dry western states. The residue from these processes will make the ecological mess from historical gold/silver/lead mining look like child's play.
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            • Author by highliter (April 02, 2011 2:41 pm ET)
                 
              There are other ways to extract oil shale than the one you describe. It’s just another case of you environmental wackos keeping us from using our own energy. The rest of the world will use their shale oil and offshore oil but thanks to you nut jobs ours stays in the ground gas prices sore and jobs are not created. Bravo!
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              • Author by jaguarundi (April 02, 2011 4:30 pm ET)
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                OK, you don't know crap about petroleum or chemical engineering.
                Describe these "other ways" that you are talking about that don't use high temperatures and leave behind burnt petroleum tailings?

                How do you know I'm much of an environmentalist, dips#it? I just posted links showing that Exxon and others have found that extraction is not economically feasible for many reasons. As usual, logic impairs your stupid ass arguments but why look at FACTS when you have truthiness? Isn't that correct Mr. Right Wing Authoritarian? Who's your source? Petroleum Engineer Limpbut or Chemical Engineer Beckerwood?
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                • Author by jaguarundi (April 02, 2011 4:44 pm ET)
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                  Or maybe let's go with high pressure fracking with a whole listing of undisclosed toxic chemicals that ultimately wind up in the aquifers. You know, the kind of activities that got exempted from any public scrutiny by Dick "Shoot 'em In The Back" Cheney.

                  Sorry but that's not very effective in most shales.
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      • Author by congero6189599 (April 01, 2011 3:20 pm ET)
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        Then again the rise in the prices of gas we are seeing is not one due to a lack of supply but on speculation.
        http://www.bing.com/search?q=gas%20price%20rise%20due%20to%20speculators&FORM=HPDTLB&PC=HPDTDF&QS=n
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        • Author by highliter (April 01, 2011 4:01 pm ET)
             
          I’m with you on the speculation part, especially speculation on margin.
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        • Author by highliter (April 01, 2011 4:02 pm ET)
             
          I’m with you on the speculation part, especially speculation on margin.
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    • Author by big_O_Other7415 (April 01, 2011 10:01 pm ET)
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      First of all our memories are so short: oil and gasoline were much higher in Bush's final year in office; remember the near $5 gallon then, at least in California? No? Why not? Well, then you couldn't blame Obama and that is what the big Oil cable news company, funded by the Saudis, wants you to do.

      But seriously, people say that Fox lies cannot be stopped, a la Canada's law against lying in the media, due to our 1st amendment. But surely there is some brake that could be put on this?

      It's exhausting to keep up with their nonsense. And to think, because it is the cable news that comes 'free' with your cable or satellite package, it has the widest viewership.

      The lies are coming so fast and furious, one doesn't even know where to begin.


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      • Author by CoolSlaw (April 02, 2011 12:26 am ET)
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        Nothing free about cable or cable news. I think it's a huge ripoff and no longer purchase a cable TV subscription. Why would I pay around $70-$120 a month for a service that is interrupted by advertising every five to fifteen minutes? Not only that, but I can't just pick and choose the channels I want. I have to pay for the 100 channels I don't want, and sit through ads on the few channels I actually would be interested in.

        Good thing PBS is free. Some quality programming that doesn't remind me what a sucker I would be for paying for television with crass commercial messages every 7 minutes or so .
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    • Author by teeman1957 (April 02, 2011 10:29 am ET)
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      New drilling anywhere in the world would have an impact on oil prices. If we drilled more in the U.S. it would not mean that oil we stay here, it could be sold to other countries. However it would mean more jobs for the U.S. which certainly would be a good thing.
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      • Author by congero6189599 (April 02, 2011 11:48 am ET)
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        I thought the subject was energy independence?
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        • Author by teeman1957 (April 03, 2011 12:03 pm ET)
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          Understood. My point is why not drill more, do more coal mining, continue to develop all alternatives etc. etc. If it helps reduce our dependency on foreign oil great, if it doesn't it will help our economy in other ways. The Department of Energy was created back in the 70's to reduce our dependency on foreign oil. That certainly has not worked out. We can't keep arguing that new drilling won't produce any oil for 10 years. If we had started 10 years ago when that was argued we would have already seen more domestically produced oil by now.

          I know we stopped drilling in the Gulf and after the moratorium we have only issued one drilling permit. However I also saw a report where there has been a lot of new drilling in Montana. So it seems we never get all of the answers from any one source.
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    • Author by jayboiler (April 02, 2011 11:49 am ET)
         
      A lot of opinion against Bolling here but some of the sources are from opponents of oil production.

      This guy was an independant trader for crude and in the business for 23 years. He must know something.

      I think we need to drill for more oil and support alternative energy. When we can finally use more alternative fuels, etc, our need for crude oil will decrease.
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    • Author by ObserveThis (April 02, 2011 2:14 pm ET)
         
      "And when Obama took office, $1.83"

      In Jan 2009, gas was not under $2.

      I moved closer to my job in late 2006 because of gas prices...
      From 50 miles to work, down to 10 miles.. and the reason was because gas was creeping up to $3 at that time.
      And i refused to travel 100 miles everyday with $3 a gallon prices.

      So, yet another lie by these smear artists.

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      • Author by CoolSlaw (April 02, 2011 3:31 pm ET)
           
        I know, and as much as this can vary from state to state, gas prices where I live haven't gone under $2 since they first shot up around...maybe 2003-2004? They've actually held pretty steadily around $2.95 to $3.25 for years now.
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