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Dobbs Falsely Claims "Very Few" State And Local Government Jobs Have Been Eliminated

April 11, 2011 5:51 pm ET — 30 Comments

Fox Business host Lou Dobbs claimed that "very few jobs have been lost" at the local and state levels in the last few years. In fact, state and local governments have shed more than 500,000 jobs since July 2008 -- while the private sector is in its 12th month of job growth.

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Dobbs Claims "Very Few Jobs Have Been Lost At The Local, State And Federal Level"

From the April 11 edition of Fox News' America Live:

SHANNON BREAM (guest host): We understand that the president now is going to speak on Wednesday and talk about debt and deficit reduction, and we understand too from White House spokesman Jay Carney that he's going to talk about shared fiscal responsibility. So is it time now for the federal government to make some of those tough sacrifices just like American families are having to make? Maybe not filling some of these positions, not necessarily cutting, but maybe not filling everything that's open now.

DOBBS: Well, I don't see any reason to say, frankly, that this is shared sacrifice. While millions and millions of private sector jobs have been lost over the course of the last four years, very few jobs have been lost at the local, state, and federal level. That is an immunity that defies either a sense of equity or propriety. It just isn't the American way. This is a free enterprise, capitalist economy that has built wealth not only for this great nation but for the entire world. We have got to get our leadership reoriented to prosperity as a principled goal of public policy, Shannon. I mean it's not a difficult thing for these folks. [Fox News, America Live4/11/11]

State And Local Government Employment Has Fallen By More Than Half A Million

St. Louis Fed: Local Governments Have Shed Approximately 416,000 Jobs Since 2008. From the Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis:

St. Louis Fed: Local Government Employment

[Federal Reserve Economic Data, Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis, accessed 4/11/11]

St. Louis Fed: State Governments Have Shed Approximately 90,000 Jobs Since 2008. From the Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis:

St. Louis Fed: State Government Employment

[Federal Reserve Economic Data, Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis, accessed 4/11/11]

Income Strategist: While Private Sector Jobs Increase, State, Local Governments Will Cut 20,000 To 30,000 Jobs A Month Through At Least End Of 2011. From a March 5 Wall Street Journal article:

State and local governments, aiming to reduce their budget deficits, cut jobs at an accelerating pace in February.

Even as private employment climbed for the 12th consecutive month in February, states and localities shed a combined 30,000 jobs after cutting 8,000 positions a month earlier, the Labor Department said Friday. The trend is likely to continue as states and cities keep trimming services and payrolls to mend their budget shortfalls.

State and local governments stepped up their pace of cutting positions, such as police officers.

"We won't expect the government cutbacks to reverse any time in the near future," said Guy LeBas, chief fixed income strategist at Janney Montgomery Scott. "It's going to be a slow leak of 20,000 to 30,000 jobs a month lasting at least until the end of 2011." [The Wall Street Journal3/5/11]

Economist Zandi: State, Local Cuts Could Keep Unemployment From Falling Below 9 Percent By End Of 2011. From a February 4 Bloomberg BusinessWeek article:

President Barack Obama's goal of driving the unemployment rate below 9 percent this year is threatened by state and local budget cuts that are likely to intensify as Federal stimulus money runs out.

Austerity measures may add as much as 0.25 percentage point to the unemployment rate this year, according to Mark Zandi, chief economist of Moody's Analytics Inc.

"This could make the difference between ending 2011 with unemployment above or below 9 percent," he said. "There's no more serious drag on economic growth than the severe budget cutbacks at the state and local level."

Reductions in public payrolls will ripple through the economy, slicing revenue at companies that rely on government contracts and depressing spending among those who are thrown out of work, Zandi said. The result could be the loss of 600,000 jobs in the fiscal year that starts July 1, he said. [Bloomberg BusinessWeek2/4/11]

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    • Author by DAWUSS (April 11, 2011 5:58 pm ET)
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      MMFA cut it off right at the interesting part.
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    • Author by pete592 (April 11, 2011 6:18 pm ET)
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      Why would Dobbs be in denial when he and other right-wing professional liars have something to celebrate?

      They should be doing an anti-big-government victory dance.
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      • Author by right ON 2 (April 11, 2011 6:43 pm ET)
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        No decent person should celebrate when anyone is suddenly out or work after a layoff, but our government needs to be as streamlined and efficient in its work force as any business. So the "fat", for lack of a better word, needs to be trimmed in all governmental areas, including staff. Especially in a time when every budget from the local to the national level is aching for money.

        I hope that good quality people who used to work for the government can lend their considerable skills to private sector jobs.
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        • Author by thaneb (April 11, 2011 8:36 pm ET)
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          The "as any business" doesn't make sense given that most of government is local and service-based whereas businesses can, and do, seek their efficiencies by having their products produced afar.
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        • Author by steeve (April 11, 2011 8:40 pm ET)
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          But it already is as streamlined as a business. The right insists on government being as streamlined as perfection, but they forget to ask business to do the same.
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        • Author by bilbo_dies (April 11, 2011 10:19 pm ET)
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          but our government needs to be as streamlined and efficient in its work force as any business


          OMG Have you ever worked for a large corporation?
          If you did, were you ever paying attention while you were there?
          Large corporations grow layers of middle management like cancer, few of them "produce" anything other than graphs and reports.

          You want streamlined and efficient? Try a smaller business that has minimal layers between the actual workers, and the guy at the top. Companies where management actually goes on the floor and works the jobs. You won't find many of them but; they are out there.
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      • Author by angels4light (April 12, 2011 7:25 am ET)
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        But "big government" only counts when it is at the Federal level. I am more surprised they are not BLAMING President Obama for the half million state and local jobs that are gone.

        Then again, when your math says that 40% is a majority, perhaps half a million jobs really is very few.
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    • Author by boulderhippy (April 11, 2011 6:24 pm ET)
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      How many federal jobs have been eliminated? This sounds like selective editing.
      And you think you are better than O'Keefe.
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      • Author by djur (April 11, 2011 6:31 pm ET)
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        Dobbs said "federal, state, and local." MMFA countered two of those three. There haven't been significant federal workforce reductions.

        What original source was selectively edited here?
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        • Author by worrierking (April 11, 2011 6:48 pm ET)
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          He'll get back to you after he receives his talking point responses from Wingnut Headquarters.
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        • Author by raddave43 (April 11, 2011 6:52 pm ET)
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          There hasn't been? The Department of the Army is cutting 10,000 jobs this year and has been under a job freeze since the end of January. The third such freeze in a year.
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          • Author by boulderhippy (April 11, 2011 7:58 pm ET)
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            Why did MMFA refuse to use any of your selective crap in the story? Because you have selective editing genes yourself.
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            • Author by kabniel (April 11, 2011 8:14 pm ET)
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              boulderhead

              Why are you so stupid? Why are you so brainwashed? Why are you so dishonest? Why are you so pathetic?
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            • Author by raddave43 (April 11, 2011 10:02 pm ET)
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              Look it up if you think it's crap.
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        • Author by boulderhippy (April 11, 2011 7:56 pm ET)
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          Federal, you admitted they were left out of the story. Why would you try to defend such dishonesty?
          I know but want you to admit how much you are biased by anything left.
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          • Author by kabniel (April 11, 2011 8:15 pm ET)
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            It is not dishonest. You are a LIAR and mind numbingly stupid. If you give three examples and two of them are wrong then pointing out that two of them are wrong is not dishonest. GOD but you are stupid and pathetic
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          • Author by kabniel (April 11, 2011 8:20 pm ET)
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            Your pathetic argument is about the same as if someone said you were a murderer, a felon and you cheat on your wife. You then show you are NOT a murderer of a felon but you dont show you didnt cheat on your wife and the accuser saying you are dishonest for not showing you didnt cheat on your wife
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            • Author by bilbo_dies (April 11, 2011 10:23 pm ET)
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              Don't worry. Boulder Zippy was also arguing in a thread that the Nuge was correct when he said there weren't any democratic countries in Africa. (paraphrased) When someone pointed out two his answer was "2 out of 54? That's all you got?"

              Stupid is as stupid does.
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      • Author by DAWUSS (April 11, 2011 7:29 pm ET)
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        When Chrissy Schwen puts on a corset and patent leather stiletto boots as part of a sting op on a FOX News employee, I'll give credence to your assertion.
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      • Author by kabniel (April 11, 2011 7:32 pm ET)
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        boulderhead

        GOD but you are stupid and pathetic. Why dont you STFU till you at least learn to read.

        I think most people are better than O'keefe, you perhaps being an exception.
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        • Author by boulderhippy (April 11, 2011 8:06 pm ET)
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          Your incivility is very tiring. Do you talk that way to people face to face or do you think you are tough on-line when nobody knows who you are? When trying to act tough in front of the lefties try to be truthful. I have read the article and I have to ask, what do you actually think I missed? Your STFU comment really stings and just shows how you cannot have rational adult conversations.
          Keep up the lies, MMFA loves selective editing and they love people that back their deception.
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          • Author by DAWUSS (April 11, 2011 8:16 pm ET)
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            Do you have a more reliable media watchdog service?
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          • Author by kabniel (April 11, 2011 8:18 pm ET)
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            Your stupidity is very tiring. I rarely talk to liars and morons like you face to face. If I did I would tell them the same thing. I DO call people out on being liars. You are not a rational adult why should I treat you like one? There was no lie. You didnt even TRY to show one. He gave three examples. MMFA showed two of them were demonstrably wrong. Even if the third were true that would be irrelevant to MMFAS point. You are a LIAR. MMFA did no slective editing nor deception you are just incredibly STUPID
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          • Author by raddave43 (April 11, 2011 10:00 pm ET)
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            More whining about civility?
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            • Author by Boswell (April 11, 2011 10:26 pm ET)
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              just another word BH does not understand (like hippy for that matter) among many
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      • Author by valet25kips (April 11, 2011 7:53 pm ET)
           
        Here's the numbers from when Obama took office (1/09) to the latest month of data (3/11), in millions:
        Federal: 2.79, 2.85 (+0.06)
        State: 5.20, 5.12 (-0.09)
        Local: 14.59, 14.20 (-0.39)
        TOTAL: 22.58, 22.17 (-0.42)
        [there are rounding errors]

        So there were 416,000 lost jobs, of which local government employment changes made up the vast majority.

        The OPM puts out quarterly detailed data of Federal employment. The best data we have under Obama runs from 12/08 to 12/10 - roughly the same period as the above data which showed a very small (2%) increase in Federal employment.

        Of the increase in employment, 91% were concentrated in Cabinet-level agencies. Within that, 82% was in just four agencies - defense (51%), veterans affairs (19%), homeland security (7%), and justice (6%).
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    • Author by wesley (April 12, 2011 12:03 am ET)
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      This effort by mmfa is O'Keefe style at its best. To clip Dobbs comment at "state and local" employment while omitting the federal hiring in their headline is unpardonable for a "media watchdog".

      I don't mind mmfa taking exception with the accuracy of Dobbs. But to omit part of his statement is slimy.

      Now to the accuracy of mmfa's rebuttal:

      -- Since January 2008, net of census hiring, the federal government has grown by 3.5 percent, gaining 98,000 jobs. --

      -- Since the beginning of the recession, state governments have added 42,000 employees to their payrolls. Local governments have cut 258,000 jobs --

      -- Overall, total government employment has shrunk by 0.5 percent since January 2008. And the private sector has lost 7.2 million jobs, or 6 percent of its January 2008 workforce. --
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      • Author by Boswell (April 12, 2011 2:24 am ET)
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        being a natural liar you of course rush to defend racist liars like DOObbs and O'Queef. If you believe your first lie then cite the time in that video where mmfa inserted words in Dohbbs mouth or cut away and pretended to ask a question that was not asked and inserted whatever reply they thought they could get away with? Oh and in you numbers you again lie by omitting teachers and other workers. all in all a typical post by you.
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    • Author by EllieEnlightened (April 14, 2011 12:35 pm ET)
         
      False statements come from anyone in media and government. Not one of them tells the truth.
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