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On Fox, Wash. Post's Lane Asks For Its Emails About Obama -- We Deliver

July 16, 2011 2:22 pm ET — 94 Comments

While participating in a panel discussion about new emails purportedly showing "White House Bias" against Fox News, Washington Post editorial writer Charles Lane commented that he'd "like to see the internal emails here at Fox about the Obama administration" as a contrast. Lane is in luck. Internal emails obtained by Media Matters have shown attempts by Fox News executive Bill Sammon to slant news coverage against President Obama and his policies.

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Judicial Watch Claims Emails Show White House "Attacked, Excluded" Fox

Judicial Watch: Obama White House "Attempted To Exclude" Fox From Interviews "Executive Pay Czar." From a July 14 Judicial Watch press release headlined "Documents Show Obama White House Attacked, Excluded Fox News Channel":

Judicial Watch, the public interest group that investigates and prosecutes government corruption, announced today that it has uncovered documents from the Obama Department of Treasury showing that the Obama administration, contrary to its repeated denials, attempted to exclude the Fox News Channel (FNC) from a round of interviews with Treasury's "Executive Pay Czar" Kenneth Feinberg. The documents, which include email exchanges within the Department of the Treasury and between Treasury and White House staff, also provide colorful evidence of an anti-Fox News bias within the Obama White House. [PRNewswire.com, 7/14/11]

On Fox, Lane Says He'd "Like To See The Internal Emails Here At Fox" About Obama

Wash. Post's Lane: "Frankly, I'd Like To See The Internal Emails Here At Fox About The Obama Administration. Maybe A Few Things Would Turn Up That Wouldn't Look So Great." From Special Report with Bret Baier:

SHANNON BREAM (guest host): This is a White House -- they made a decision regarding access to interviewing a senior Treasury official. It's their decision. Ethically, though, how should they go about deciding who's in and who's out?

LANE: Well, this goes back to '09, the first year of the administration. David Axelrod attempting to get the rest of the quote-unquote mainstream media to kind of ostracize Fox News. That really failed very badly, and they've since backpedaled off of that.

So I think Jay Carney is right. This is, in a way, old news. A couple of emails? Frankly, I'd like to see the internal emails here at Fox about the Obama administration. Maybe a few things would turn up that wouldn't look so great.

And you know, they -- they are very -- any kind of press coverage that they don't like really gets under their skin. I can tell you that from my experience at the Post. This to me is not that big a deal as Tom Fitton seems to describe it. Somebody calls Bret a lunatic, which of course is not true, in an email. So I pronounce it a non-story. [Fox News, Special Report with Bret Baier, 7/14/11]

Fox Emails Show Attempts To Slant News Against Obama And His Policies

Fox News Executive Admitted To Lying About Obama "Advocat[ing] Socialism" -- As Referenced In Internal Email

Sammon Email Stresses "References To Socialism, Liberalism, Marxism And Marxists" In Obama's Memoir. From a 2008 email sent by Bill Sammon, then Fox News' deputy Washington managing editor and now its Washington managing editor, and obtained by Media Matters:

From: Sammon, Bill
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 1:02 PM
To: 069 -Politics; 169 -SPECIAL REPORT; 030 -Root (FoxNews.Com)
Subject: fyi: Obama's references to socialism, liberalism, Marxism and Marxists in his autobiography, "Dreams from My Father." Plus a couple of his many self-described "racial obsessions"...

* "To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists." (Obama writing about his time at Occidental College in "Dreams.")

* After his sophomore year, Obama transferred to Columbia University. He lived on Manhattan's Upper East Side, venturing to the East Village for "thesocialist conferences I sometimes attended at Cooper Union," he recalled, adding: "Much of what I absorbed from the sixties was filtered through my mother, who to the end of her life would proudly proclaim herself an unreconstructed liberal."

* After graduating from Columbia in 1983, Obama spent a year working for a consulting firm and then went to work for "a Ralph Nader offshoot" in Harlem. "In search of some inspiration, I went to hear Kwame Toure, formerly Stokely Carmichael of SNCC and Black Panther fame, speak at Columbia. At the entrance to the auditorium, two women, one black, one Asian, were selling Marxist literature."

During this period, according to Obama, he began a serious romantic relationship.

* "There was a woman in New York that I loved. She was white," Obama wrote in "Dreams." "We saw each other for almost a year. On the weekends, mostly. Sometimes in her apartment, sometimes in mine. You know how you can fall into your own private world? Just two people, hidden and warm. Your own language. Your own customs." But Obama said their relationship was doomed by the racial difference. "I pushed her away," he recalled."The emotion between the races could never be pure; even love was tarnished by the desire to find in the other some element that was missing from ourselves. Whether we sought out our demons or salvation, the other race would always remain just that: menacing, alien, and apart."

* In June 1985, Obama was interviewed in New York by Marty Kaufman, a community organizer from Chicago. Obama recalled: "There was something about him that made me wary. A little too sure of himself, maybe. And white." [Media Matters, 2/1/11]

Show Notes Written In Preparation For Fox & Friends The Next Day Included The Subject Line Of Sammon's Email Word-For-Word. Sammon also appeared on that episode. [Media Matters, 2/1/11]

Sammon Later Admitted That He Had Lied On-Air "About Whether Barack Obama Really Advocated Socialism." Speaking on a 2009 Mediterranean cruise sponsored by a right-wing college, Sammon described his attempts the previous year to link Obama to "socialism" as "mischievous speculation." Sammon acknowledged that "privately" he had believed that the socialism allegation was "rather far-fetched." [Media Matters, 3/29/11]

Sammon Email Instructed Fox Journalists To Use GOP Term To Describe "Public Option"

Sammon's "Friendly Reminder": "Please Use The Term "Government-Run Health Insurance." From Media Matters:

From: Sammon, Bill
Sent:
Tuesday, October 27, 2009 8:23 AM
To:
054 -FNSunday; 169 -SPECIAL REPORT; 069 -Politics; 030 -Root (FoxNews.Com); 036 -FOX.WHU; 050 -Senior Producers; 051 -Producers
Subject: friendly reminder: let's not slip back into calling it the "public option"

1)      Please use the term "government-run health insurance" or, when brevity is a concern, "government option," whenever possible.

2)      When it is necessary to use the term "public option" (which is, after all, firmly ensconced in the nation's lexicon), use the qualifier "so-called," as in "the so-called public option."

3)      Here's another way to phrase it: "The public option, which is the government-run plan."

4)      When newsmakers and sources use the term "public option" in our stories, there's not a lot we can do about it, since quotes are of course sacrosanct. [Media Matters, 12/9/10]

Michael Clemente, Senior VP For News, Replied That Sammon's Third Phrasing Was "The Preferred Way To Say It, Write It, Use It." From Media Matters:

From: Clemente, Michael
To: Sammon, Bill; 054 -FNSunday; 169 -SPECIAL REPORT; 069 -Politics; 030 -Root (FoxNews.Com); 036 -FOX.WHU; 050 -Senior Producers; 051 -Producers
Sent: Tue Oct 27 08:45:29 2009
Subject: RE: friendly reminder: let's not slip back into calling it the "public option"

Thank you Bill

#3 on your list is the preferred way to say it, write it, use it.

Michael Clemente

SVP-News

212.XXX.XXXX [Media Matters, 12/9/10]

Sammon Email Became Major Anti-Obama Talking Point For Fox's Coverage Of Cairo Speech

After Obama's 2009 Speech In Cairo, Sammon Wrote That The President Hadn't Used Any Iteration Of The Word "Terror." From Media Matters:

From: Sammon, Bill 
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 9:23 AM
To: 169 -SPECIAL REPORT; 069 -Politics; 036 -FOX.WHU; 030 -Root (FoxNews.Com); 050 -Senior Producers; 051 -Producers
Cc: Clemente, Michael; Stack, John; Wallace, Jay
Subject: FYI: My cursory check of Obama's 6,000-word speech to the Muslim world did not turn up the words "terror," "terrorist" or "terrorism" [Media Matters, 2/8/11]

But Sammon's Criticism Was Misleading: Obama Talked At Length About Taking On Al Qaeda, Other "Violent Extremists." Obama devoted a significant section of his remarks to denouncing and confronting Al Qaeda and other "violent extremists who pose a grave threat to our security." Sammon's criticism also disregarded the analyses of Middle East and terrorism experts who viewed Obama's word choice as an effort to remove as a source of tension terms that, through overuse and misuse, have become incendiary in the Muslim world. [Media Matters, 2/8/11]

Fox Hosts And Reporters Repeatedly Used Sammon's Talking Point. Shortly after Sammon sent his email, he appeared on America's Newsroom, and host Megyn Kelly asked him what he made of Obama not mentioning "terror, the war on terror, or terrorism." Sammon responded, "Well, I make of it that he has taken us off a war footing as a nation." Kelly also hosted former Bush speechwriter Marc Thiessen, who commented that Obama "didn't mention the word 'terrorism' once in the speech." Fox personalities Shepard Smith, Bret Baier, Wendell Goler, Karl Rove, Sean Hannity, and Steve Doocy subsequently used Sammon's "terror" framing to discuss and analyze Obama's speech. [Media Matters, 2/8/11]

Fox Has Repeatedly Covered Judicial Watch Emails As Evidence Of "White House Bias"

Camerota Said Emails Represented "The Obama Administration's Handling Of The Media." From America Live, guest-hosted by Alisyn Camerota:

[Fox News, America Live, 7/14/11]

Fox & Friends Graphics Claim Emails Are Evidence Of "Bias" Against Fox, Suggest Fox Is A White House "Target." From Fox & Friends:

[Fox News, Fox & Friends, 7/14/11]

Goldberg: Obama Administration "Not The First" To "Go To War With The News Media, But I Don't Think This Administration Wants To Be Compared To Richard Nixon." From The O'Reilly Factor, featuring Fox News contributor Bernie Goldberg:

[Fox News, The O'Reilly Factor, 7/14/11]

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    • Author by worrierking (July 16, 2011 2:41 pm ET)
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      I don't see the need for the White House to include Fox News when administration officials are giving interviews.

      Why should they get special treatment when Nickelodeon, Disney, QVC and the SyFy Networks aren't afforded the same kind of access.
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      • Author by News Corpse (July 16, 2011 9:45 pm ET)
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        Hey...Don't knock Nickelodeon.

        They have a bigger audience than Fox - and smarter too.
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    • Author by wookie (July 16, 2011 2:56 pm ET)
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      Hmm, why would Obama not want to bother with Fox? It's not as if Fox employs numerous Republican presidential candidates and gives the party millions of dollars... Cue the wingnuts to explain how the first ammendment guarantees them sit down interviews.
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      • Author by cst (July 16, 2011 3:59 pm ET)
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        [Cue the wingnuts to explain how the first ammendment guarantees them sit down interviews. ]

        Well, if Obama is somehow constitutionally required to be interviewed BY Fox, aren't Republican office holders and candidates equally obliged to be interviewed by someone OTHER than Fox?
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        • Author by handsomejack54 (July 16, 2011 4:15 pm ET)
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          Fox is the only place where they can go hear themselves speak nothing but talking points with little to no counter-response.
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    • Author by ThomasJH268 (July 16, 2011 3:38 pm ET)
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      With financiers such as Rupert Murdoch, who's just been exposed as running a paper practicing criminal behavior and CEOs like Roger Ailes, who came up with the idea of FOXPAC as a propaganda tool for the republicans to get Nixon's spin out during Watergate, I don't see any need for Obama to treat FOXPAC other than as the propaganda outlet they are.

      You know, this also puts taint to any and all of the websites run by FOXPAC... oh how sweet it is.
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    • Author by OhImRight (July 16, 2011 3:41 pm ET)
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      Hmm, why would Obama not want to bother with Fox? It's not as if Fox employs numerous Republican presidential candidates and gives the party millions of dollars... Cue the wingnuts to explain how the first ammendment guarantees them sit down interviews.


      you forgot,Fox also just flat out lies and makes things up all the time!!!





      The American media needs a conservative Enema
      Flush Fox Down The Toilet!!!!

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      • Author by grmce (July 16, 2011 10:35 pm ET)
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        you forgot,Fox also just flat out lies and makes things up all the time!!!
        Yeah, in view of their track record Fox doesn't need to interview Administration officials - they just make it up anyway.
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    • Author by ThomasJH268 (July 16, 2011 3:53 pm ET)
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      It just occurred to me that, thanks to John Stossel, FOXPAC doesn't have to get interviews with the White House, they can just interview payed impersonators that will answer the way FOXPAC wants them to.

      I can see it now, "Laura Ingram's: The Obama Diaries, The Series"
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      • Author by ThomasJH268 (July 16, 2011 3:54 pm ET)
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        damn spell check, how could it let me misspell "paid"?
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    • Author by fantagor (July 16, 2011 3:54 pm ET)
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      To summarize:

      1. Fox News has repeatedly gone out of its way to slant stories against Obama.

      2. They then gin up outrage about Obama administration's bias against Fox News for their slanted coverage.

      When you get something you ask for, you have no right to complain.

      Randy
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    • Author by MiddleAmerica (July 16, 2011 3:54 pm ET)
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      Do have this right - Its ok for the president of the United States to be biased because Fox is biased?
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      • Author by ThomasJH268 (July 16, 2011 3:58 pm ET)
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        Its ok for the president of the United States to be biased because Fox is biased?
        It's okay if FOXPAC was going to lie about what he says anyway... which they almost always do. Actually, since you're admitting they're "biased" you're also admitting they are liars by using the catch-line "fair and balanced"
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        • Author by MiddleAmerica (July 16, 2011 4:02 pm ET)
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          So when Obama said he wasn't the president of the red states or blue states but the United States - that was a lie.
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          • Author by ThomasJH268 (July 16, 2011 4:08 pm ET)
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            I didn't hear Obama say his main goal was to see the republicans fail. I did however hear that from Mitch McConnell, John Boener and almost everyone from FOXPAC.

            And by the way, how many times must Obama capitulate before FOXPAC zombies like yourself see he's been trying to work with the republicans since he took office.

            Oh stupid question, you're a FOXPAC zombie
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          • Author by Rollo (July 16, 2011 4:14 pm ET)
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            What the h3ll are you talking about? You go from the POTUS being biased to some red state blue state nonsense, why can't you stay on a point? Why can't you argue your point honestley? Why did your Hoosier account get closed down?
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            • Author by highlyunlikely (July 16, 2011 4:19 pm ET)
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              Boulderhippy: I'm positive. Say what you like about his many faults and idiocies: hoo was never this infantile.
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            • Author by MiddleAmerica (July 16, 2011 8:00 pm ET)
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              "why can't you stay on a point?" - Obama is a biased liar.


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              • Author by Deluded (July 16, 2011 9:19 pm ET)
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                Because that's YOUR point, not THE point.

                THE point is that if FOX is being hostile toward the Obama administration in the first place, there's no obligation for the administration to pander to them in order to be "fair". Indeed there have been instances that have shown that FOX isn't being excluded from the whitehouse's list of newscasters (even though one can argue that they SHOULD be, they are not newscasters after all).

                So no the whitehouse isn't exactly being biased against FOX, can't say the same for vice versa though.
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                • Author by loonz (July 17, 2011 9:08 am ET)
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                  FOX should be excluded because they're not a news channel; they're a propaganda channel for the GOP.
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              • Author by highlyunlikely (July 16, 2011 9:31 pm ET)
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                in which Boulderhippy reveals that his question about whether it's fair for Obama to be biased was, in fact, a set-up. But since no one was foolish enough to take his bait, he skips the part about someone answering and plunges straight into the rebuttal.
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              • Author by MiddleAmerica (July 16, 2011 10:53 pm ET)
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                "Obama administration, contrary to its repeated denials, attempted to exclude Fox" - another lie from Obama

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                • Author by highlyunlikely (July 16, 2011 11:06 pm ET)
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                  in which Boulderhippy, anything but awake and refreshed, forces himself to resume plugging away.
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                  • Author by MiddleAmerica (July 17, 2011 11:52 am ET)
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                    Obama denied but was caught red handed - liberals continue to attack me because they're afraid to acknowledge Obama is a liar.

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                    • Author by kabniel (July 17, 2011 12:01 pm ET)
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                      Obama is not a liar but YOU are definitly a LIAR. A pathetic brainwashed LIAR. You get attacked because we get sick of your constant lies and your insidious stupidity
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                    • Author by highlyunlikely (July 17, 2011 12:11 pm ET)
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                      yeah, his song is stuck in a groove. He's run out of material but doesn't know how to back off.
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                      • Author by MiddleAmerica (July 18, 2011 1:40 pm ET)
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                        kabneil/highlyunlikely - posting your opinion once should be enough.

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                        • Author by highlyunlikely (July 18, 2011 5:32 pm ET)
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                          Dear Boulderhippy - [sic] posting the same claptrack over and over should be more than enough.
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                • Author by MiddleAmerica (July 18, 2011 1:41 pm ET)
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                  kabneil/highlyunlikely - why are you obsessed with me?
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                  • Author by highlyunlikely (July 18, 2011 5:31 pm ET)
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                    Boulderhippy: why do you attempt trick questions? Are you incapable of learning that we never take the bait?
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              • Author by bobklahn (July 17, 2011 2:51 pm ET)
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                ""why can't you stay on a point?" - Obama is a biased liar."


                Show that he lied.
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            • Author by MiddleAmerica (July 18, 2011 11:17 am ET)
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              Congo/Rollo - try to keep up.
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              • Author by highlyunlikely (July 18, 2011 1:37 pm ET)
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                in which Boulderhippy says anything to test whether the thread is still open. It is.
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          • Author by highlyunlikely (July 16, 2011 4:17 pm ET)
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            No, Boulder. You've got it wrong on several counts. First, Obama didn't cop to "lying." Some commenters explained why he might as well, since FOX would distort his words anyway. Second, assuming Obama would lie (which, again, is not to be assumed), it doesn't mean he always lies. Which means some statements may be lies and any one statement may not be a lie. Which he's never stipulated in the first place.

            What he SAID, in effect, is that bothering with FOX is beyond a waste of time. It's neither legitimate nor unbiased. That's a whole lot different than your preposterous conclusion.

            I know it's complex and I know I rarely, if ever, engage with you on substance. (see above: it's beyond a waste of time.) And I really don't know why I'm doing so here. It's not like you'll understand my explanation, or accept it, or try to find some insignificant objection or exception to it. And you're not even talking about the subject matter. You're here, like all of us, for psychology reasons. There's where the real substance is. That's why I usually address them instead of the pathetic arguments you put forth.

            Now go ahead and tell me why everyone isn't fair game to respond to the way I do you. But you have to be willing to read the response.
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            • Author by Rollo (July 16, 2011 4:29 pm ET)
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              So this another person who post under multiple names? Why do these people do this?
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              • Author by Rollo (July 16, 2011 4:35 pm ET)
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                No need to answer, I realized what the answer was soon as I hit save?
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                • Author by highlyunlikely (July 16, 2011 4:39 pm ET)
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                  Ro: we were typing simultaneously. Hope my answer is useful anyway.
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                  • Author by Rollo (July 16, 2011 5:09 pm ET)
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                    It was. The problem is me, because I just ASSUME people will act like they GOSHDARN SENSE,when communicating with other people, but it is obviously not the case.
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              • Author by highlyunlikely (July 16, 2011 4:38 pm ET)
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                In this case, it's not that MA/BH is using multiples simultaneously, which I think is done to create a (false) sense of consensus.

                With Boulder, as far as I know, he was never that name and his present one concurrently. Boulder was banned - basically, he ran it into the ground - and since he wanted to continue commenting he waited a while and came up with another identity.

                Why he doesn't admit to it (some do) is another question. I would guess, since he had a bad rep as Boulder, he wanted to wipe the proverbial slate clean.
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                • Author by MiddleAmerica (July 16, 2011 9:09 pm ET)
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                  I've never posted as BH or hoosier - yea I know, liberals don't need facts or proof to support their lies.
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                  • Author by Deluded (July 16, 2011 9:22 pm ET)
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                    You've never needed them either.

                    Besides, who you are is beside the point where I am concern. It's what you make yourself to be with your posts.

                    And you've pretty much made yourself out to be everything everyone else here is saying you are apart from a multi-screename user (which can't be proven unless we obtain your IP address).
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                    • Author by highlyunlikely (July 16, 2011 9:26 pm ET)
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                      thanks, Del. I posted before I read the part about not having access to the definitive proof.
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                    • Author by MiddleAmerica (July 16, 2011 10:51 pm ET)
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                      Compare the writing styles.
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                      • Author by bintx (July 17, 2011 11:33 am ET)
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                        I have. You're not boulderhippy.
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                        • Author by highlyunlikely (July 17, 2011 12:10 pm ET)
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                          awwwwwwww. I could dig up the classic convoluted, juvenile bogus question Boulder asked me, a dead-on ringer for an MA post, if I were sufficiently motivated.
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                  • Author by highlyunlikely (July 16, 2011 9:25 pm ET)
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                    in which the former Boulderhippy issues a straightforward denial of an accusation he's been ignoring for several weeks now. Of course, he fails to take into consideration that some truths can't be proven and that this isn't a court of law.
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            • Author by MiddleAmerica (July 16, 2011 9:06 pm ET)
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              All I asked was if it's ok for the president of the United States to be biased, I didn't even comment on whether his bias was unwarrented. But thus far, everyone is afraid to acknowldege he is biased.

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              • Author by highlyunlikely (July 16, 2011 9:28 pm ET)
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                in which Boulderhippy, already fatigued after resting up from his earlier stint, resorts to conflating ignoring a non-germane question with being afraid to answer it.
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              • Author by Deluded (July 16, 2011 9:31 pm ET)
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                It's of course not ok for the president to be biased, although in this situation one could understand given that FOX has given him every reason to be biased against them in the first place. But apart from that, FOX hasn't been barred from whitehouse info and coverage and indeed have been invited to conferences/interviews. So the issue of the administration being biased to them is:

                a.) Non-consequential, whatever their personal opinion of Fox is, they still regard them as a newscaster group (just why I don't know).

                b.) Even if they ARE biased against FOX, it's pretty much karma. FOX has been attacking that administration from the start.

                You are the only one that has been mentioning about Obama being biased, and that's not only because you believe that, but you want to peddle that idea so that others would agree with you too.

                You have your work cut out for you there.
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                • Author by highlyunlikely (July 16, 2011 9:40 pm ET)
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                  It's hard to tell whether Boulder is mixing action and reaction intentionally or just has the uncanny knack of getting it wrong every time.
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                • Author by bobklahn (July 17, 2011 2:57 pm ET)
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                  "It's of course not ok for the president to be biased,"

                  Yes, it is. It's impossible to find a living human being with no biases. I hope the POTUS is biased in favor of working people. of honest people, of those who try to make the world a better place.

                  I hope the president is biased against liars and frauds.

                  On that basis, bias against Fox is legitimate.
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                  • Author by roberta g (July 17, 2011 11:06 pm ET)
                       
                    I think to be biased against or for, for that matter, anything you have to care about it. I can't imagine Obama giving a rat's ass about Faux News, it's not legit.
                    It is basically an ant on an anthill in the middle of the rain forest, a cipher. Who cares?
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              • Author by Brabantio (July 17, 2011 5:49 am ET)
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                If it's not unwarranted, then what's your point? Judgment based on behavior is hardly worth bringing up, because that's what everyone does and what everyone should do.

                If you saw some guy leering after your six year-old daughter, would you be "biased" against that person? Or would you offer him a babysitting job? Where's your middle ground here?
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                • Author by kabniel (July 17, 2011 12:04 pm ET)
                     
                  judgement based on BEHAVIOR is not really bias. Bias by its very definition is pretty much without rationale other than prejudice

                  a. A preference or an inclination, especially one that inhibits impartial judgment.
                  b. An unfair act or policy stemming from prejudice.
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                  • Author by bobklahn (July 17, 2011 2:59 pm ET)
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                    "a. A preference or an inclination, especially one that inhibits impartial judgment."

                    I am not impartial toward psychopaths. I have no intention of being impartial to psychopaths.

                    Do you have a problem with that?
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                    • Author by kabniel (July 17, 2011 3:25 pm ET)
                         
                      No I dont. psychopaths are known by their behavior. If you are hostile to someone due to proven behavior then it isnt a bias per say. It is a reaction
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              • Author by bintx (July 17, 2011 11:32 am ET)
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                How is not recognizing a blatantly propagandist network as a legitimate media outlet being "biased"?
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              • Author by MiddleAmerica (July 17, 2011 11:49 am ET)
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                "everyone is afraid to acknowldege he is biased" - a point all you liberals are still afraid to touch.



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                • Author by kabniel (July 17, 2011 12:06 pm ET)
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                  middleMORON

                  Everyone is rejecting your constant LIES. A point you assiduously avoid. That you are a LIAR. Treating someone different because of their avowed hostility toward you is not bias AGAIN

                  a. A preference or an inclination, especially one that inhibits impartial judgment.
                  b. An unfair act or policy stemming from prejudice.

                  Doesnt meet the definition
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                  • Author by highlyunlikely (July 17, 2011 12:08 pm ET)
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                    kab, one would think Boulder had to be getting paid not to understand. Pathetically, Boulder is NOT getting paid.
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                • Author by highlyunlikely (July 17, 2011 12:07 pm ET)
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                  If he were a vinyl record, it would be skipping on a scratch right now.
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              • Author by bobklahn (July 17, 2011 2:54 pm ET)
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                "But thus far, everyone is afraid to acknowldege he is biased."

                Every single person on earth is biased. That's not relevant to anything. It's what you do about it that matters.
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              • Author by Chameo (July 18, 2011 10:25 am ET)
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                There's a difference between being biased and recognizing and reacting to bias in others. For instance, I'm not biased against you, but since you've consistently demonstrated a bias in your comments, I take everything you say with a whole shaker full of salt.
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              • Author by NotSure8 (July 18, 2011 10:56 am ET)
                   
                That completely depends on what the bias is. If it is a bias for fairness, truth, and the american people (not the ones that Fox talks about, but the real american people), then I'd be all for him being biased. Being biased against Fox fits with a bias for the truth, therefore I think it is completely warranted.
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              • Author by MiddleLeft (July 18, 2011 11:42 am ET)
                   
                All I asked was if it's ok for the president of the United States to be biased.

                Biased about what?? He better darn well be biased toward the progressive side of political issues that's why the clear majority of voters put him in office. He understands he is president of red and blue America but he better not forget which side he is representing in discussions about policy.
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          • Author by Chameo (July 16, 2011 10:05 pm ET)
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            So Fox News is a state now?
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          • Author by bintx (July 17, 2011 11:29 am ET)
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            You are attempting to conflate a propaganda network designed solely to push the agenda of a political club and its corporate backers with political ideology. Two different things.
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          • Author by kabniel (July 17, 2011 11:58 am ET)
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            Middle

            You are pathetic. No that was obviously true. Doesnt mean you have to treat those who are hostile to you the same way you treat those who are treating you with respect. My GOD but you are stupid
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            • Author by MiddleAmerica (July 17, 2011 1:58 pm ET)
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              I'm pathetic & stupid? I thought I was a lying moron. ha ha ha ha
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              • Author by bobklahn (July 17, 2011 3:02 pm ET)
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                "I'm pathetic & stupid? I thought I was a lying moron. ha ha ha ha "

                I have already reported the post calling you a lying moron as abuse.

                However. I do want to point out, from the sentence on the top of this post, the two are *NOT* mutually exclusive.
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                • Author by highlyunlikely (July 17, 2011 3:05 pm ET)
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                  I think even Boulder has some concept of what "mutually exclusive" means, which is not to say he's ever heard the term. So let's add "disingenuous" to the list?
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              • Author by kabniel (July 17, 2011 3:27 pm ET)
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                MiddleMoron

                Those two are not mutually exclusive. You are pathetic and stupid and you are a lying moron. A normal human would not have needed that clarification
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          • Author by bobklahn (July 17, 2011 2:49 pm ET)
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            "So when Obama said he wasn't the president of the red states or blue states but the United States - that was a lie. "

            If there was any lie involved it came from Fox News.
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        • Author by MiddleAmerica (July 16, 2011 7:57 pm ET)
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          Are you surprised to hear Fox leans right?
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          • Author by Deluded (July 16, 2011 9:32 pm ET)
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            No more surprised than we are to here that FOX lies and peddles in disinformation.

            Oh and that it still insists on being a "fair and balanced" news network.
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          • Author by highlyunlikely (July 16, 2011 9:36 pm ET)
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            in which Boulder produces the leading question.
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          • Author by ThomasJH268 (July 17, 2011 3:11 am ET)
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            To say "Fox leans right" is kind of like saying "the Titanic had a small leak"
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          • Author by bintx (July 17, 2011 11:31 am ET)
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            Fox doesn't lean right. Fox leans corporatism and Republican. That's not "the right." Fox is a propaganda network designed solely to prop up the Republican Party (not conservatism) and its corporate backers. There is nothing conservative about Fox. There's also no news on Fox.
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            • Author by bobklahn (July 17, 2011 3:06 pm ET)
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              "Fox doesn't lean right. Fox leans corporatism and Republican."

              Absolutely correct.


              "There's also no news on Fox. "

              Fox is the American version of Pravda. With a bit of Isvestia tossed in for spice.
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              • Author by grmce (July 17, 2011 9:33 pm ET)
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                I recall the old joke that there was no truth in Pravda and no news in Isvestia.
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      • Author by mikehuck76 (July 16, 2011 5:38 pm ET)
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        Are you on drugs, hoosier? You have seriously blown a gasket. Are you comparing the biases of a politican and a news organization? Once again, it is simply not possible to be this stupid in real life.
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        • Author by highlyunlikely (July 16, 2011 5:43 pm ET)
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          nooooooo, it's Boulderhippy. You can't see me so let me tell you I'm pouting. :)
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      • Author by Invent a Scandal (July 16, 2011 11:53 pm ET)
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        Dumb
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      • Author by kabniel (July 17, 2011 11:57 am ET)
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        Middle

        Is this really hard for you to understand? Yeah its ok for Obama to consider Fox a hostile venue when they have proven to be a hostile venue and treat them that way. Just like it is ok for me to punch someone who has taken a swing at me.
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        • Author by MiddleAmerica (July 17, 2011 1:56 pm ET)
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          Ok, I accepted your explanation. So why are others denying the obvious?
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          • Author by highlyunlikely (July 17, 2011 3:06 pm ET)
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            In which Boulderhippy attempts the maneuver called "moving the goal post." As might be expected, he does it clumsily.
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          • Author by kabniel (July 17, 2011 3:29 pm ET)
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            I am not. I am denying your definition of bias has any relevance to this situation whatsoever. Why are you so proud to be so stupid and so brainwashed?
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          • Author by my4cents (July 17, 2011 11:04 pm ET)
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            Because you are making multiple, stupid posts?
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      • Author by bobklahn (July 17, 2011 2:48 pm ET)
           
        Do have this right - Its ok for the president of the United States to be biased because Fox is biased? "

        Yes.

        What you do with it is another matter.

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      • Author by my4cents (July 17, 2011 11:02 pm ET)
           
        Yes.
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    • Author by magnolialover (July 17, 2011 10:41 am ET)
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      Let's do this.

      Obama admin will give up its e-mails about FoxNews, as soon as the former Bush admin gives up its e-mails about the media at large.

      Anyone want to bet which administration is going to be more dismissive of the media?

      Here's what I don't understand. We have the OBama administration, or someone within the administration, basically saying FoxNews is after Obama, which is objectively true, as we can ascertain from just this website for one, and for another, just watch the station for about, oh, 10 minutes at any given point during the day, and they'll be attacking Obama over something.

      Show me an alleged liberal media who does the same thing, or did the same thing to previous republican administrations. Doesn't. Happen.

      Now, go and get the statements from all conservatives, and or republicans who constantly complain, openly, about the "liberal media" day in and day out, and yet, said same media still covers them and fall all over themselves for them (Palin comes to mind).

      So the Obama admin doesn't like FoxNews? So what I say. They have plenty of reason to NOT like them, and yet, they're still there in the briefing room. They still get interviews with the POTUS, and other people in his administration.

      Get over yourselves.
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    • Author by filiusj (July 17, 2011 2:03 pm ET)
         
      The press did itself a disservice when they did not ostracize fox news. They are not news, but the right's propaganda network. Other news services should be apologizing for not recognizing and reporting that fox news is a one sided opinion show. Canada kept Rupert out by saying they must be truthful. Other nations won't let fox call itself a news program. Why can't we call fox for what they really are. Fox has no difficulty attacking other news programs. Kudos to media matter, Keith Olberman and Rachel Maddow for calling out fox for their hypocrisy all this time.
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    • Author by Littlebird (July 18, 2011 11:21 am ET)
         
      Well, I can't for the life of me imagine why this administration would not want to give interviews to Fox, but there is this interesting article.

      http://www.uspoliticsonline.com/judiciary/60425-fox-sues-wins-right-lie-news-broadcasts.html

      Maybe instead of Fox News, it should be "Fox-Tales"
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