CBS' Mark Knoller Whitewashes Bush From 2009 Deficit
CBS News White House correspondent Mark Knoller whitewashed former President Bush's role in creating $1.2 trillion in deficit for the 2009 fiscal year, instead blaming President Obama for every penny of debt increase since "the day Mr. Obama took office." But the Congressional Budget Office had already projected $1.2 trillion in deficit before Obama took office, based entirely on Bush's actions and economic conditions.
Knoller Blamed Obama For Every Penny Of Debt Since "The Day Mr. Obama Took Office"
CBS' Knoller Claimed National Debt "Increased $4 Trillion On President Obama's Watch." From Mark Knoller's August 22 article:
The latest posting by the Treasury Department shows the national debt has now increased $4 trillion on President Obama's watch.
The debt was $10.626 trillion on the day Mr. Obama took office. The latest calculation from Treasury shows the debt has now hit $14.639 trillion.
It's the most rapid increase in the debt under any U.S. president.
The national debt increased $4.9 trillion during the eight-year presidency of George W. Bush. The debt now is rising at a pace to surpass that amount during Mr. Obama's four-year term. [CBS News, 8/22/11]
But CBO Had Already Projected A $1.2 Trillion Deficit For 2009 Before Obama Took Office
CBO: $1.2 Trillion Projection Based On Legislation Bush Passed Before Obama's Inauguration. In a budget report released on January 7, 2009 -- before Obama took office -- CBO stated: "The ongoing turmoil in the housing and financial markets has taken a major toll on the federal budget. CBO currently projects that the deficit this year will total $1.2 trillion, or 8.3 percent of GDP." CBO further stated:
A drop in tax revenues and increased federal spending (much of it related to the government's actions to address the crisis in the housing and financial markets) both contribute to the robust growth in this year's deficit. Compared with receipts last year, collections from corporate income taxes are anticipated to decline by 27 percent and individual income taxes by 8 percent; in normal economic conditions, they would both grow by several percentage points. In addition, the estimated deficit includes outlays of more than $180 billion to reflect the cost of transactions of the TARP. [Congressional Budget Office, January 2009; Associated Press, 1/7/09]
Knoller Reported That Obama Blames Bush And The Recession
Knoller: "Obama Blames Policies Inherited From His Predecessor's Administration" And "The Recession." Knoller wrote that Obama "blames policies inherited from his predecessor's administration for the soaring debt." Knoller further reported:
[Obama] goes on to blame the recession, and its resulting decrease in tax revenue on businesses, for making fewer sales, and more employees being laid off. He says the recession also resulted in more government spending due to increased unemployment insurance payments, subsidies to farms and funding of infrastructure programs that were part of his stimulus program. [CBS News, 8/22/11]
Independent Analyses Agree That "Bush-Era" Policies Are Largely To Blame For Deficit
NY Times: "Nine Straight Years Of Deficits" Are Largely The Result Of "The Bush-Era Tax Cuts, War Spending In Iraq And Afghanistan, And Recessions." From a July 23 New York Times article:
With President Obama and Republican leaders calling for cutting the budget by trillions over the next 10 years, it is worth asking how we got here -- from healthy surpluses at the end of the Clinton era, and the promise of future surpluses, to nine straight years of deficits, including the $1.3 trillion shortfall in 2010. The answer is largely the Bush-era tax cuts, war spending in Iraq and Afghanistan, and recessions.
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In 2001, President George W. Bush inherited a surplus, with projections by the Congressional Budget Office for ever-increasing surpluses, assuming continuation of the good economy and President Bill Clinton's policies. But every year starting in 2002, the budget fell into deficit. In January 2009, just before President Obama took office, the budget office projected a $1.2 trillion deficit for 2009 and deficits in subsequent years, based on continuing Mr. Bush's policies and the effects of recession. Mr. Obama's policies in 2009 and 2010, including the stimulus package, added to the deficits in those years but are largely temporary.
The second graph shows that under Mr. Bush, tax cuts and war spending were the biggest policy drivers of the swing from projected surpluses to deficits from 2002 to 2009. Budget estimates that didn't foresee the recessions in 2001 and in 2008 and 2009 also contributed to deficits. Mr. Obama's policies, taken out to 2017, add to deficits, but not by nearly as much. [The New York Times, 7/23/11]
AP "Fact Check": Rise In Federal Debt "Comes Not From Political Decisions" But From "Deep Recession." From an August 20 AP article:
While spending's share of the GDP might be at a post-World War II high, tax revenues have fallen to 14.4 percent of the index, the lowest since 1950.
This disparity between what comes in and what goes out plays into the Republican argument about runaway spending.
But it also reflects the mathematical reality that during recessions, tax revenues go down sharply because people and companies make less money and so pay less in taxes. Federal spending goes up, even before stimulus programs, with an increasing demand for government help from food stamps and unemployment compensation and other safety-net programs.
At the same time, the negative economic growth associated with recessions lowers the GDP number on the bottom of the equation, further boosting the ratio of spending to GDP.
Since 1970, federal spending has averaged just over 21 percent of GDP while tax revenues have averaged over 19 percent.
The last time since World War II that federal spending exceeded 23 percent of GDP was in 1982 and 1983, when it rose to 23.1 percent and 23.5 percent, respectively, during what was then called the worst recession since the Great Depression. A Republican, Ronald Reagan, was president, and he was hardly anyone's idea of a tax-and-spend liberal.
Federal spending is even higher now as a percentage of GDP, but not by much - just between 1 and 2 percentage points. That reflects the fact that the most recent recession was far deeper than the 1981-82 downturn, which lasted 16 months.
Much of the present large gap between tax revenues and federal spending comes not from political decisions but from what happens to a nation's finances during any deep recession, economists suggest. [Associated Press, 8/20/11]















I mean, when the republicans blocked their own bills because Obama approved of them, that should have been a clue.
MiddleAmerica and the rest of the FOXPAC zombie trolls seem to be of the opinion that Obama should be more like Bush was and run roughshod over the democratic system by governing by executive order... That is, until he actually governs by executive order (I.E. the hold on deportations) then he's just another dictator wannabe.
Compared to G.W.Bush, Herbert Hoover was Maynard Keynes and J.K.Galbraith rolled into one (but then I've got an empty bucket under my back verandah that makes more intelligent analysis of the economy, national and international, than G.W.Bush and almost his entire cabinet).
There was no guarantee that he could do it, but we
knew we needed to change the leadership, if any attempt
at correction was going to be made.
Bush said lower taxes would create jobs; It didn't!
Bush said deregulation would get gov't out of the way of
doing business, since businesses would not harm themselves:
Businesses did harm themselves, while CEO's walked away
with even bigger tax reduced bundles, causing more unemployment.
Bush said he'd build a democratic Iraq; He didn't!
Bush said he'd get Osama; He didn't!
On and on, Bush did everything wrong and we're now paying
for his disastrous administration.
Now, while Obama tries to work to repair the damage, he
faces Republican obstructionism designed to make him fail,
even at the risk of taking the nation down with him. So,
there's no guarantee that he will succeed, but then, we
knew that, he was only elected to try!
Why not just get ahead of the game and post an opinion on one of next weeks topics today. It would apply just as well.
It speaks volumes to what a poor leader Obama is when he is "forced" to continue policies that he claims wrecked the economy when he is not only President, but had huge Congressional majorities for two years.
No downside for you here. If he doesn't act like a dictator then he's a poor leader. If he does then impeachment (so long anticipated) proceedings comence.
Why do you prefer telling lies?
Oh, that's right, I forgot - because you're a liar.
In the 111th Congress the Democrats had the largest Senate majority in 30+ years and the largest House majority in 16 years.
And yes, previous Republican presidents didn't have the same issues - and that's because previous opposition parties didn't behave the same way that the Republicans are behaving now!
It has nothing to do with Obama not being a leader. It has everything to do with the unfair and unique way that Republicans have been acting.
I think you are making my point for me.
I will repeat what I wrote in response to a similar post below: That perfectly sums up the problems with politics right there. It's not enough that others may have a different view on how best to improve the economy. No, those with an opposing view must not be debated on the merits of their ideas, but instead must have their motives questioned.
The FACTS are what they are. We have SEEN this happening. THAT is what is wrong with politics today. Reality is not dependent on YOU aknowledging it to be reality. You can pretend to deny reality all you want. Reality wont change. I certainly wont appologize for not being as STUPID and as comitted to being brainwashed as you.
First off you are a LIAR. Second you are a brainwashed moron just spewing what you were told to think. Third you are just pathetic, you do get that dont you?
Congress does balance budgets but they have to have 60 votes in the Senate if they don't have the Presidents approval. They also had some money to balance it with, something the same "fiscally conservative" Republicans chose to do away with the first chance they got.
The surplus is not a myth, You can deny it all you want, it won't make it true. I suggest you look at numbers from the Treasury, not the Heritage Foundation. The debt held pretty steady from mid '99 till the end of '01 almost 2 years. That means we weren't borrowing.
The debt started climbing steadily in Oct '01, the start of Bushes first budget, when the tax cuts kicked in and when he went to war on the credit card. The recession had very little to do with it because the housing bubble was just getting started. The fact that it started when Republicans were running the show is probably just a coincidence.
Deregulation meant that banks could now own exchanges, and they took full advantage of that, to set up trading in debt backed securities, that Wall street exchanges constantly refused to handle. With this bold and new access to money, the ability to sell off mortgage loans, and not have to carry them to term, it's hardly a wonder that banks took advantage of it greatly, once the regulation averse Bush kept the regulators in check!
Obwon
Do you REALLY want to pretend obstruction hasn't been taking place these last couple of years? Please, don't try to pass on some crap about it being "typical" politics, it isn't.
There was never a huge majority in the Senate in recent years. It didn't happen. Saying that it did happen in a lie!
But; not quite the "super majority" you would need to over ride a fillibuster, is that correct?
Big difference between "largest majority in 30+ years" and a "large enough majority to override any opposition that exists to legislation that is presented before it".
I rest my case...
Leaders lead and persuade and accomplish things in the face of opposition. Obama is clearly not a leader.
Do you know how the Bush tax cuts passed congress in 2002 & 3?
They were passed by reconciliation. That's why they were limited to 8 years. Do you have any idea what kind of stink the GOP would have raised if the Democratic congress passed ANYTHING through reconciliation?
Do you even know what it is? Look it up!
I've got a lot of issues with Obama but; ignoring the fact that the Repubs have gone out of their way to stymie any legislation that Obama has suggested or supported is just disingenuous.
So your argument is still that Obama cannot lead unless he has no opposition whatsoever. There must be no possible way for a Republican to do anything in opposition to Obama. Then, and only then, can Obama lead.
My point proven, the prosecution rests.
That doesn't make him a bad leader. That makes the Republicans bad, and reasonable people know this.
No dip-sh!t, that isn't his argument. 41 oppositions not "a opposition". Just proves what I said about you yesterday, you can't read.
Lead what? Republicans that have publicly vowed to block anything that he can claim as an accomplishment? He!! they even block their own sh!t if he backs it. You haven't proven your point to anybody but yourself, because nobody but you knows what your point is.
Things changed when Kennedy died and Scott Brown won his seat. Didn't change too much because they where still able to pass Dodd/Frank.
He's pretending that one can ignore the reality of what the Senate looked like and how it is run and how the Republicans took advantage of that, and simply concentrate on what the House looked like.
good god could you give it a rest. you seem like a intelligent person with your posts but this crazy obsession with conspiracies (glenn beck) is really quite stupid. how bout responding to the posts and stop the petty crap.
There's undeniable evidence that this one poster has used multiple screen names, including "tommy" and "right ON" and "right ON2" and "jamesB" and "CenterRight" and "pongotwhistleton" and "southernlady" and "southerngal".
It's not a conspiracy theory. It's fact.
And it's pretty much a reasonable conclusion to assert that you and "bludog1" are also his clones. If you don't like reading about how someone is being dishonest, scold the person who's being dishonest, not the person who's pointing it out. Go to the root of the problem if it really concerns you. Going after the person who is simply pointing out the problem tells us that you don't like the problem behavior being pointed out!
Did you know the FBI's policy is to be very skeptical of coincidence? It's called being a good detective.
since you are wrong about me. no fact honey, just hooey.
So, contrary to your assertion, it is not "hooey,", and I believe there's plenty of evidence that you're another clone, just like we uncovered "southernlady" as a clone, just like we exposed "jamesB" as a clone, etc, etc.
You aren't fooling anyone.
It's not a conspiracy theory. It's fact."
Could you please provide "undeniable evidence" of these "facts"? Thanks.
If you keep focusing on something this trivial it is NOT healthy.
And why worry about the credibility of the posters and why expose one of them as extremely and serially dishonest to the core?
Well, if you don't know the answer to that one, then you'll have to figure that out on your own too!
yes, YES they are and its a FACT!!!!
sarc:)
Seriously, Joni. I am not rightON. I do not know why you think I am. Your obession with rightON cannot be healthy. You might want to consider professional help.
If you think that you're really going to make anyone believe that nonsense, you're more crazy than we already knew you were.
256-178 in the House; 59-41 in the Senate. Those are "huge Congressinoal majorities".
In the 111th Congress the Democrats had the largest Senate majority in 30+ years and the largest House majority in 16 years.
How many to override a filibuster?
yes the republicans fillibustered.
yes obama could have done a better job. so could we all.
And remember, you're only supposed to refuse to use punctuation when you're posting as "jamesB" - he's the one that fails to capitalize like he should. He was trying to differentiate himself from "right ON" and that was his schtick. You forget which screen name you're using, and sometimes capitalize words and others times you don't. And then sometimes your spelling is atrocious and other times it's perfect.
When you copy some other screen name's schtick because you forget who you're logged in as, that's a "tell".
Recently must be more then 30 years ago or more then, right? Funny. Most folks think recently is more like a few years max. In fact I've NEVER heard anyone use "recently" to describe past tense time as more then 30 years. Wait am minute, I guess many of you don't think 59-41 is a huge majority? If this isn't, what would be a huge majority? 65-35? 70-30? What?
And how many times have I read on these MMfA comment pages it is Congress who controls budgets (correctly) when any mention is made of Obama's spending - but now we hear "What you're doing is shifting the goalposts when you drag Congress into it." by The Cat below.
Some of you liberals are really funny in your attempts to cover for Obama. Actually, ridiculous is a better word. It is really rather pathetic to read.
If you think "huge majority" makes you look less stupid than "super majority", think again.
And categorizing everyone that doesn't buy your ridiculous views, isn't helping you look smarter neither.
A huge majority would be a majority that enabled the majority to make huge differences over simple majorities, and 59-41 doesn't enable that to happen when you have obstructionist Republicans blocking simple stuff!
What's pathetic is your attempt to cover up for the poster who originally claimed that Democrats ever had huge majorities in recent memory.
And yeah, the simpleminded argument that Congress controls the budget ignores the very clear and powerful role that the President has. I can't help it if some people like to make fatally flawed arguments.
"That perfectly sums up the problems with politics right there. It's not enough that others may have a different view on how best to improve the economy. No, those with an opposing view must not be debated on the merits of their ideas, but instead must have their motives questioned. "
DoubleNaught replies that the problem with politics is questioning the motives of idiots who insist tax cuts will work "this time".
That's comedy.
http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201108160003#1441135
Bush gave out 1.2 trillion dollars in secret bailout loans, which brings the total bailout under Bush to 2 trillion and counting!
Read more:
http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews/article/653948/bank_of_america_and_citigroup%2C_rolling_in_cash%2C_also_got_trillions_in_%22secret_loans%22_from_the_fed/
Obwon
You are pathetic. ONLY Bush is responsible for the 2009 deficit, which is the subject of discussion, since Obama took office IN 2009 and the 09 deficit was set by the 08 budget. Remember that Obamas first deficit was SMALLER than Bush's last deficit. Fortunatly for the entire WORLD Bush will never be president again
Keep telling us what you WISH is going to happen. Keep in mind the GOP has LOST the popular vote in four out of the last FIVE presidential elections. Looks like they are catching on to the rights constant lying and disasterous policies
Conservatives and Republicans, meanwhile, are blocking or stifling every single effort by the Democrats and Obama to fix the economy. Again, they're not interested in fixing the economy. They want to bring down Obama.
If that isn't evidence that Republicans don't care about the country and just want to bring Obama down, I don't know what is.
The health care bill was originally the republican counter proposal by the republicans to Clintons health care overhaul.
The "Dream Act"
"Cap and Trade"
Nearly every policy Obama proposed has been a republican idea.
The republicans have been voting down and/or killing their own legislation when Obama say's he's for it.
And let's not forget McConnel's words:
"Our main goal is to defeat Obama"
Or Michelle Bachmann who said she hopes the economy will get worse so she'll have a better chance of being elected.
There is no compromising with the teabaggers/Rethugs. Their idea of compromising is getting 100% of what they want. They prefer the politics of extortion and blackmail. And you're an apologist for them.
Sucks to be you.
Obama has been going way past halfway, but the Party of No doesn't want compromise. Their idea of compromise is getting everything they demand.
And in the debt ceiling debates proved this statement to be a blatant lie
It doesn't matter what his plan is, the republicans are going to be against it. I mean, the "tax-cutters" are looking to end the payroll tax holiday because they claim it didn't work and it's costing revenue.
Think on that if you can; though to FOXPAC teabagger zombies, I'm sure it makes perfect sense.
BUSH wasn't forced to do anything, he was elected, by Republicans, to SIGN SPENDING BILLS.
But besides that, what you seem to be saying is that Obama must go further into debt in order to fix the debt problem. Does that make sense to you?
Damn those democrats for exposing the real financial cost of the wars... Around the same time they started legislation to try to stop them.
JamesBond and his ilk are so stupid they make Bush look intelligent by comparison...
"And the cost of Bush's two wars were put on the books for the first time."
Dishonest AND stupid. James, you've hit the trifecta is you're also ugly.
I don't want to paint every liberal with the same brush, but it is that kind of dishonest stuff that gives the rest of you a bad name.
That's typical - because you're "right ON/tommy/jamesB" simply using an alternative screen name and playing the same old games.
Cropping comments without the context is inappropriate, and it's what you do all the time, no matter what screen name you're using.
Where did I crop a comment from Thomas to leave off the context?
Thomas added things to what I said and passed it off as a direct quote. It doesn't get any more dishonest than that.
And someone who uses multiple screen names, often posting with 2 or more at the same time, doesn't get to claim that anyone else is dishonest, "right ON/tommy/jamesB/pongo/CenterRight/southernlady/southerngal/JamesBond".
While I understand that you'd like to be able to start with a clean slate, you can't. You're being fairly tagged with your previous reputation. It wouldn't be fair to this site for you to get away with simply creating a new screen name in order to escape responsibility for your behavior.
I'm not any of those people. What makes you think I am? You never answer that question.
And you never answered this question either: Where did I crop a comment from Thomas to leave off the context?
Bush did keep the wars out of the budget proposals he sent to Congress, presumably because he considered the war spending to be temporary and not an ongoing government expediture (which, as we know it has clearly not been). You can criticize Bush for not including that spending in his budget proposals, particularily after it was evident that the war spending was going to be anything but temporary. He rightly deserves criticism for that. But that said, the spending was still real. It still shows up in the federal ledger. It still shows up in the deficits and resulting debt. It isn't hidden. The deficit and debt from the Bush years isn't lower just because Bush didn't include war spending in his budget proposals. Surely you don't believe that is the case, do you?
It doesn't show up in teh budget deficits, it goes directly to the debt
Ah being stupid another favorite tactic of the right. Apparantly you do not know what the word canard means.
It canot be a canard if it is true and a valid argument or a deserved criticism.
Actually yes. The deficit was lower because he kept those wars off the books. Apparantly you do not understand how the deficit is figured either.
The deficits in the Bush years are what they are. Take a look at the debt at the beginning of the Bush years, add all the deficits from the Bush years, and you get the debt at the end of the Bush years. Nothing is hidden.
2002 157.8 Billion Dollar Deficit
2003 374 Billion Dollar Deficit
2004 413 Billion Dollar Deficit
2005 319 Billion Dollar Deficit
2006 248 Billion Dollar Deficit
2007 162 Billion Dollar Deficit
2008 455 Billion Dollar Deficit
2009 1416 Billion Dollar Deficit
About 2 trillion is missing
No actually this is what you said
The POINT of that statement was that Bush keeping the wars off the books was a canard was a left favorite. Since it was NOT a canard there was no point at ALL in that statement. The statement itself is simply false.
You can "presume" he thought it was "temporary" all you want, but that excuse wouldn't hold up with most folks after say, 2 years.
Well I'm auditioning to be a newscaster on FOX and I thought I'd practice here... oh wait evidence actually backs up what I added so I guess I'm not going to get the job
To be accurate, 2007 is when the glorious "surge" took place. Remember that? Right after the elections?
To be accurate, 2007 spending was Republican spending.
To be accurate, Democrats were only in charge of spending the last year of bushes reign.
To be accurate, the deficit didn't "explode", it had been right in front of you for 6 years.
"But besides that, what you seem to be saying is that Obama must go further into debt in order to fix the debt problem. Does that make sense to you? "
No that doesn't make sense to me, but I read the whole post and the problem he's talking about is the economy not jobs.
sheesh
The "problem created by Bush" is not the deficit. It's the crappy economy. It is those on the right who are claiming the deficit is a problem.
Funny thing though, if you get people back to work in good paying jobs, they will be able to pay taxes, and therefore will help ease the "debt problem". It's all connected, but the teabaggers have decided to put the cart before the horse by claiming the debt to be the "real" problem that needs to be fixed first. Sadly, by fixing this manufactured problem, they will make the real problem worse and it will hurt the ability to fix their manufactured problem.
i agree but not in equal amounts. bush/repub congress 85%, obama/dem congress 15%. thats only if you believe only polititions are to blame when it is really was wall street/bankers/regulators/greenspan
Obama did the right thing by spending the money he's spent - in fact, he should have spent more money than he did, either in the first stimulus or the second. At times, deficit spending is the absolute best thing that can be done.
But now after House Republicans played chicken politics with the debt ceiling and Obama caved to their austerity demands, the country and world economy risks sinking into yet another deep recession
Has anyone else noticed that none of the Bush apologists have even attempted to claim that part of the deficit was Hurricane Katrina support? That's how little Bush cared....he gave tax breaks to the rich and didn't bother to spend (much) to fix New Orleans!
It disappeared after the TAX CUT. You never were any good at math were you?
For instance, We got into two full-scale wars and passed a massive senior prescription drug bill... while... CUTTING TAXES?!?!?! Usually when you go to war an assist seniors you ask more from the revenue side, somehow not under GOP economics.
When was the last time a President submitted a budget to congress. Congress said Mr President you're asking for too much, this is what we would like too cut?
Besides, it's more than disingenuous to say, "Well, but Reagan didn't run up the deficit, because Democrats had control of Congress," just as an example.
AP "Fact Check": Rise In Federal Debt "Comes Not From Political Decisions" But From "Deep Recession."
Only one of those presidents was in office when the recession began.
You are either a fool or a liar.
And the Republicans are traitors who have put their party's interests ahead of their country's and their constituency's. (Unless you're just going to admit that their constituency consists only of corporations and thevery wealthy.)
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On his watch? How is it that it's his watch when it's Bush's budget?
And a big chunk of the enormous deficits is due to reduced revenue. In a recession you can't change that situation.
Are conservatives really so dumb they don't understand that?