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Krauthammer Twists Facts To Claim Obama Is Bypassing Congress

August 31, 2011 1:28 am ET — 57 Comments

Charles Krauthammer distorted facts to claim that when President Obama "doesn't succeed in Congress, he goes under the radar" to enact harmful regulations. Krauthammer supported this claim with the inaccurate assertion that the administration has "essentially enact[ed] the DREAM Act" and the dubious suggestion that new EPA regulations will "shut down about 10 percent of coal-generating electricity in the United States."

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Krauthammer: Obama Has "Essentially Enact[ed] The DREAM Act Through Regulation"

Krauthammer: "That's A Pretty Radical Sort Of In-Your-Face At The Constitutional System." From The O'Reilly Factor:

KRAUTHAMMER: The president has never made a secret of his desire to change America. That's what he campaigned on. And that's what he did at the beginning of his presidency. He's already changed it radically using legal means through Obamacare. But when he doesn't succeed in Congress, he goes under the radar. And there are a couple of pretty egregious examples.

Remember, last year he tried to pass the DREAM Act, which is a pretty significant change in immigration, in which if you were brought here by illegal parents as a child and you meet certain criteria, you're in college or the military, you get essentially amnesty. Now, what's interesting is that the Congress, which at the time last year was entirely in the hands of Democrats, rejected the DREAM Act.

So, what does Obama do? His Department of Homeland Security issues regulations under the excuse of prosecutorial discretion which essentially enacts the DREAM Act through regulation. Meaning, of the 300,000 cases out there of people waiting to be deported, the regulation now is -- the instructions now are: Anybody who essentially meets the criteria of the DREAM Act is to be let off and even given a work permit. Now, that's a pretty radical sort of in-your-face at the constitutional system. [Fox News, The O'Reilly Factor, 8/30/2011]

In Fact, Purpose Of New DHS Directive Is To Prioritize Deportation Of Criminals

WhiteHouse.gov: DHS, DOJ Will "Make More Room To Deport People Who Have Been Convicted Of Crimes Or Pose A Security Risk." From the WhiteHouse.gov blog:

Under the President's direction, for the first time ever the Department of Homeland Security has prioritized the removal of people who have been convicted of crimes in the United States.  And they have succeeded; in 2010 DHS removed 79,000 more people who had been convicted of a crime compared to 2008.  Today, they announced that they are strengthening their ability to target criminals even further by making sure they are not focusing our resources on deporting people who are low priorities for deportation. This includes individuals such as young people who were brought to this country as small children, and who know no other home. It also includes individuals such as military veterans and the spouses of active-duty military personnel. It makes no sense to spend our enforcement resources on these low-priority cases when they could be used with more impact on others, including individuals who have been convicted of serious crimes.

So DHS, along with the Department of Justice, will be reviewing the current deportation caseload to clear out low-priority cases on a case-by-case basis and make more room to deport people who have been convicted of crimes or pose a security risk. And they will take steps to keep low-priority cases out of the deportation pipeline in the first place. They will be applying common sense guidelines to make these decisions, like a person's ties and contributions to the community, their family relationships and military service record. In the end, this means more immigration enforcement pressure where it counts the most, and less where it doesn't -- that's the smartest way to follow the law while we stay focused on working with the Congress to fix it. [WhiteHouse.gov, 8/18/2011]

DREAM Act Is Not "Essentially Amnesty," As Krauthammer Claims

National Immigration Law Center: "The DREAM Act Is Not A Giveaway To Undocumented Youth, Even Those Who Have Lived Here All Of Their Lives." From the National Immigration Law Center:

MYTH: The DREAM Act is a massive amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants.

  • The DREAM Act is not an amnesty: The DREAM Act is not a giveaway to undocumented youth, even those who have lived here all of their lives. Rather, it creates a well-defined process to legalize only those who grew up here and who earn status by staying in school and maintaining good moral character.
  • The DREAM Act is narrowly tailored: Our immigration law currently has no mechanism to consider the special equities and circumstances of these students. The DREAM Act would eliminate this flaw. To apply for relief under the DREAM Act, these young people would have to graduate from high school or earn a GED, have good moral character, have come to the U.S. when they were young and show that they have lived in the U.S. for at least five years. Students would then be eligible to apply for conditional status. During the 6-year conditional status, students would have to either complete at least two years of higher education or two years of military service. The Migration Policy Institute (MPI) estimates that the likely total number of students to ever benefit from the DREAM Act is 825,000.

[National Immigration Law Center, accessed 8/30/2011, emphasis in original]

Krauthammer Claims EPA Regulations Will "Shut Down About 10 Percent Of Coal-Generating Electricity"

Krauthammer: "It Will Be Completely Impractical For Any Of These Businesses To Actually Operate." From The O'Reilly Factor:

KRAUTHAMMER: Well, as you know, cap and trade is a way to essentially regulate emission of carbon, and it's essentially a way to shut down, ultimately, the coal industry. So it's in Congress -- remember, the last Congress that was controlled by Democrats -- and utterly rejected. And you remember, even at the time, the administration warned Congress, "If you don't enact this, we're going to do it by regulation."

And, in fact, that's what's happening. Right now, they're issuing regulations that, as The Wall Street Journal has pointed out, will essentially, within a few years, shut down about 10 percent of coal-generating electricity in the United States. 

BILL O'REILLY (host): Because they spew too much dirty stuff in the air?

KRAUTHAMMER: Exactly. It imposes new -- no, it's because of the carbon emissions and other emissions that will essentially -- that the coal industry will be unable to meet. It will be completely impractical for any of these businesses to actually operate. 

O'REILLY: All right, so the EPA -- they've got to be taking the lead here. The EPA says, "Look, you have to have a certain amount of carbon emissions, and if you go over it, you can't burn any more fuel. That's it." 

KRAUTHAMMER: Exactly. And what you do is you will shut down the older plants where the scrubbing is too expensive. And this is going to shut down about a tenth of our capacity, and as the Journal pointed out, if a terrorist were to shut down a tenth of our coal-generating capacity, it would be an act of war. [Fox News, The O'Reilly Factor, 8/30/2011]

Krauthammer's Talking Point Comes From Inaccurate WSJ Editorial

WSJ: "With An Executive Order, [Obama] Could Exempt All Power Plants" From EPA Rules. A Wall Street Journal editorial stated that "Obama has the power to delay new rules that will shut down 8% of all U.S. power generation," referring to an informal estimate of the combined impact of numerous EPA rules, many of which have not yet been proposed. From the editorial:

As it happens, those 1990 [Clean Air Act] amendments contain an overlooked proviso that would let Mr. Obama overrule EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson's agenda. With an executive order, he could exempt all power plants "from compliance with any standard or limitation" for two years, or even longer using rolling two-year periods. All he has to declare is "that the technology to implement such standard is not available and that it is in the national security interests of the United States to do so."

Both criteria are easily met. Most important, the EPA's regulatory cascade is a clear and present danger to the reliability and stability of the U.S. power system and grid. The spree affects plants that provide 40% of U.S. baseload capacity in the U.S., and almost half of U.S. net generation. The Federal Energy Regulatory Commission, or FERC, which is charged with ensuring the integrity of the power supply, reported this month in a letter to the Senate that 81 gigawatts of generating capacity is "very likely" or "likely" to be subtracted by 2018 amid coal plant retirements and downgrades.

That's about 8% of all U.S. generating capacity. [Wall Street Journal, 8/29/11, emphasis added]

In Fact, WSJ Misleadingly Cropped The Text Of The Clean Air Act

The Presidential Exemption Applies Only To Hazardous Air Pollutant Rule. The Journal editorial cropped the quote from the Clean Air Act. Section 112 of the Act states that the presidential exemption clause applies only to regulations under that section, such as the EPA's proposed Utility MACT/Air Toxics rule to limit power plant emissions of mercury and other toxic pollutants. Contrary to the claims made by The Journal and Fox News, this provision does not authorize the President to grant exemptions from other pending EPA rules:

The President may exempt any stationary source from compliance with any standard or limitation under this section for a period of not more than 2 years if the President determines that the technology to implement such standard is not available and that it is in the national security interests of the United States to do so. An exemption under this paragraph may be extended for 1 or more additional periods, each period not to exceed 2 years. The President shall report to Congress with respect to each exemption (or extension thereof) made under this paragraph. [Clean Air Act, Sec. 112]

WSJ Is Calling For Exemptions From A Rule That Has Not Yet Been Finalized. EPA proposed the Utility MACT/Air Toxics rule in March, and will issue a final rule by November. [EPA, accessed 8/30/11]

Criteria For Presidential Exemption Are Not Met

Exemption Is An Option Only If Technology Is Unavailable And National Security Is At Stake. The Wall Street Journal claimed that Obama could "easily" exempt power plants from pollution limits:

All he has to declare is "that the technology to implement such standard is not available and that it is in the national security interests of the United States to do so."

Both criteria are easily met. [Wall Street Journal, 8/29/11]

Pollution Control Technology For Air Toxics Is Readily Available

CRS: Compliance With Proposed Rules Will Not Require "Complicated Or New Technology." Discussing the impact of the proposed Utility MACT rule on coal plants, an August 8 Congressional Research Service report noted:

In proposing the standards, EPA noted that while the requirements are stringent for those facilities lacking controls, 56% of existing coal-fired power plants already are in compliance. Thus, the standards are expected to level the playing field, bringing older, poorly controlled plants up to the standards being achieved by a majority of the existing units. In this respect, the proposed standards reflect the statute's requirement that existing sources of HAPs should meet standards based on the current emissions of the best performing similar sources.

[...]

This is not complicated or new technology. Other types of facilities (notably solid waste incinerators) have used this technology for the past 15 years to reduce their mercury and other HAP emissions by 95% or more. As a result of state-level pollution control regulations, a growing percentage of coal-fired power plants do the same. [Congressional Research Service, 8/8/11]

CRS: 20 States Already Have Mercury Limits; Most Power Plants Are Already Meeting The Standards. From a March 21 Congressional Research Service Report on EPA regulations initiated since January 2009:

In 2005, EPA promulgated regulations establishing a cap-and-trade system to limit emissions of mercury from coal-fired power plants. The rules were challenged, and the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals vacated them in 2008. Rather than appeal the ruling to the Supreme Court, EPA agreed to propose Maximum Achievable Control Technology (MACT) standards by March 2011 and promulgate final standards by November 2011. The proposed standards, released March 16, are already being met by 56% of coal- and oil-fired electric generating units; the other 44% would be required to install technology that will reduce mercury and acid gas emissions by 91%, at an annual cost of $10.9 billion. EPA estimates that the annual benefits, including the avoidance of up to 17,000 premature deaths annually, will be between $59 billion and $140 billion. Following promulgation of these standards, existing power plants will have three years, with a possible one-year extension, to meet the standards. About 20 states have already established mercury emission control standards for coal-fired power plants, and other major sources have been controlled for as long as 15 years, reducing their emissions as much as 95%. [Congressional Research Service, 3/21/11]

Energy Companies: "We Know From Experience That Constructing This Technology Can Be Done." In a joint press release, representatives of several major energy companies asserted that EPA's Utility MACT rule is achievable:

For over a decade, operators of coal-fired generation have known that pollution controls would be required to comply with Clean Air Act (CAA) requirements to reduce hazardous air emissions like mercury, hydrochloric acid, and arsenic. Most of the industry has been preparing for the rule by investing in modern pollution controls and cleaner, more efficient power plants.

"We recently completed the installation of a major air quality control system, including scrubbers, baghouse, and other equipment at one of our major coal facilities in Maryland," said Paul Allen, senior vice president and chief environmental officer of Constellation Energy. "These systems work effectively and result in dramatically lower emissions of mercury, sulfur dioxide, particulate matter, and acid gases. We know from experience that constructing this technology can be done in a reasonable time frame, especially with good advance planning; and there is meaningful job creation associated with the projects." [Business Wire, 3/16/11]

Utility Executives: "The Technology Exists To Cost Effectively Control Such Emissions." In a letter to the editor of The Wall Street Journal, executives representing several major power companies stated:

The electric sector has known that these rules were coming. Many companies, including ours, have already invested in modern air-pollution control technologies and cleaner and more efficient power plants. For over a decade, companies have recognized that the industry would need to install controls to comply with the act's air toxicity requirements, and the technology exists to cost effectively control such emissions, including mercury and acid gases. The EPA is now under a court deadline to finalize that rule before the end of 2011 because of the previous delays.

To suggest that plants are retiring because of the EPA's regulations fails to recognize that lower power prices and depressed demand are the primary retirement drivers. The units retiring are generally small, old and inefficient. These retirements are long overdue. [Wall Street Journal, 12/8/10]

Air Toxics Rule Has Been Anticipated For Decades

In 1990 Bush Sr. And Bipartisan Congress Directed EPA To Regulate Mercury And Other Air Toxics. From a December 2010 Greenwire report:

In the first few years after the law [Clean Air Act] hit the books in 1970, U.S. EPA cracked down on airborne lead, soot and smog. Congress had also ordered EPA to figure out the risks posed by toxic contaminants, but the agency did little to stop mercury and other rare but dangerous chemicals from being released into the air.

In two decades, the agency had applied that section of the Clean Air Act to just eight substances.

Lawmakers who wrote the pollution law were fed up; so was President George H.W. Bush. After consultations with environmentalists and industry groups, they prepared a package of amendments that changed the rules for toxic air pollution. It listed mercury and nearly 200 other substances by name and told EPA to regulate them, sparing the agency the challenge of proving that the substances posed a risk.

The amendments sailed through the House, 401-25, supported by many Republicans who are now among EPA's most vocal critics. Bush signed the amendments into law the week before Thanksgiving, saying it was time to "break the logjam that hindered progress on clean air."

"Every American expects and deserves to breathe clean air," Bush said at a White House signing ceremony. "And as president, it is my mission to guarantee it for this generation and for the generations to come."

Fast forward to today. Toxic pollution limits have been set for many industries, but a generation after the last major change to the nation's air pollution laws, EPA still doesn't have standards for coal-fired power plants and other facilities that release most of the nation's mercury. [Greenwire, 12/8/10]

NY Times: George W. Bush Admin Proposed A Rule That Its Own Lawyers Knew Would "Almost Certainly Be Reversed." The New York Times reported:

The new rules bring to a close a bitter legal and regulatory battle dating back to the passage of the 1970 Clean Air Act, which first directed the E.P.A. to identify and control major industrial sources of hazardous emissions.

By 1990, however, federal regulators had still not set standards for toxic emissions from power plants, and Congress, in the face of stiff resistance from utilities and coal interests, passed legislation directing the E.P.A. to study the health effects of mercury and other emissions, and to detail the cost and effectiveness of control technologies.

In 1998, the agency finally complied, delivering a comprehensive report to Congress detailing the health impact of numerous pollutants, including mercury, which by then had been linked conclusively in multiple studies to serious cognitive harm to fetuses.

In December 2000, in the last days of the Clinton administration, the E.P.A. finally listed power plants as a source of hazardous air pollutants under the Clean Air Act.

The Bush administration E.P.A. faced its own deadlines to devise and put into effect controls for power plant pollution. But rather than issue emissions standards in line with federal law, in 2005, top agency officials instituted a controversial cap-and-trade program for mercury, despite a warning from agency lawyers that the move would throw the issue back into the courts and almost certainly be reversed.

As predicted, a coalition of states and environmentalists sued the agency, arguing that the cap-and-trade program would not limit other toxic emissions like arsenic and would allow the dirtiest power plants to pay for the right to pollute, putting nearby communities at risk. In 2008 a federal judge ruled against the E.P.A., giving the agency three years to develop standards for mercury and other pollutants. [The New York Times, 3/16/11]

Court Ruled That Bush Administration's Version Of The Rule Violated The Clean Air Act. From the August 8 CRS report:

The mercury cap-and-trade rules promulgated in 2005 were a change in policy by EPA. All previous sources of mercury subject to emission standards had been required to meet plant specific Maximum Achievable Control Technology (MACT) standards under CAA Section 112. Section 112 sets out very detailed requirements for MACT standards, including a list of the pollutants that need to be controlled (not just mercury, but any of 187 hazardous air pollutants, or HAPs) and the level of control that the standards must achieve. The 2005 cap-and-trade rules addressed only mercury, and would have allowed many power plants to avoid control provided they obtained allowances from others who achieved lower pollution levels than required, or reduced emissions sooner than required. The ability of plants to avoid emission control by purchasing allowances could lead to the continuation of "hot spots," areas where mercury concentrations in waterbodies are greater than elsewhere.

By contrast, the statute requires MACT standards applicable at each existing plant to be no less stringent than the average emission limitation achieved by the best performing 12% of existing sources in the industry subcategory. These statutory requirements are referred to as the "MACT floor," because the agency is not allowed to set less stringent standards, nor may it take economic factors into account in determining what the floor will be.

Whether the agency could substitute cap-and-trade rules for the MACT requirements was challenged by the State of New Jersey and others, and, in a 3-0 decision, the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals vacated the cap-and-trade rules in 2008. The court found that, under Section 112, unless EPA "delisted" the category of sources, it had to require that each plant in the category meet MACT standards. Under the statute, delisting would have required a finding that no EGU's emissions exceeded a level adequate to protect public health with an ample margin of safety, and that no adverse environmental effect would result from any source.

Rather than appeal the court's ruling to the Supreme Court or attempt to delist the category, EPA proposed what is referred to as the "Utility MACT," March 16, 2011. [Congressional Research Service, 8/8/11]

EPA Settlement Set November Deadline For Air Toxics Rule. As explained in EPA's proposed Air Toxics Rule:

On December 18, 2008, several environmental and public health organizations (''Plaintiffs'') 10 filed a complaint in the DC District Court (Civ. No. 1:08-cv-02198 (RMC)) alleging that the Agency had failed to perform a nondiscretionary duty under CAA section 304(a)(2), by failing to promulgate final section 112(d) standards for HAP from coal- and oilfired EGUs by the statutorily mandated deadline, December 20, 2002, 2 years after such sources were listed under section 112(c). EPA settled that litigation. The consent decree resolving the case requires EPA to sign a notice of proposed rulemaking setting forth EPA's proposed section 112(d) emission standards for coal- and oil-fired EGUs by March 16, 2011, and a notice of final rulemaking by November 16, 2011. [Federal Register, 5/3/11]

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    • Author by cripto9t709 (August 31, 2011 7:04 am ET)
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      So this genius Krauthammer is p!ssed that President Obama by-passed congress to enact the Dream Act and he's also p!ssed that President Obama won't by-pass congress to save the coal industry.

      Is that about it?

      o'reilly really needs a refresher, good thing krauthammer was there to make the save.

      "BILL O'REILLY (host): Because they spew too much dirty stuff in the air?

      KRAUTHAMMER: Exactly. It imposes new -- no, it's because of the carbon emissions and other emissions that will essentially -- that the coal industry will be unable to meet. It will be completely impractical for any of these businesses to actually operate.
      "

      Dirty stuff bad
      Carbon emissions good
      Get with it billdo
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    • Author by Ema_Nymton (August 31, 2011 7:12 am ET)
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      Plaeeeese,

      It's Fox! Lie, cheat, and steal; and _never_ trust anyone who doesn't! Proving once again, one can lie oneself to power but not to the truth.

      Ah Mr Krauthammer going into the lead in the race of _never_ being right. Facts? We don't need no stinking facts, we're Fox.

      It's Fox. You expecting something differently?

      Ema Nymton
      ~O:o?
      .
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    • Author by dbtexas (August 31, 2011 10:55 am ET)
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      Krauthammer never met a fact he couldn't ignore.
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        • Author by jamesB (August 31, 2011 2:15 pm ET)
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          if i took anything you said seriously i might be tempted to flag your moronic incredibly insulting post for removal. but let everyone see what scum you are, i guess.
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    • Author by jonimacaroni1 (August 31, 2011 11:06 am ET)
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      Bush bypassing Congress with more signing statements and executive orders than any previous president? Good.

      Obama doing it (except that he's really not doing it)? Bad.
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    • Author by captaincrunch (August 31, 2011 11:09 am ET)
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      So, what does Obama do? His Department of Homeland Security issues regulations under the excuse of prosecutorial discretion which essentially enacts the DREAM Act through regulation. Meaning, of the 300,000 cases out there of people waiting to be deported, the regulation now is -- the instructions now are: Anybody who essentially meets the criteria of the DREAM Act is to be let off and even given a work permit. Now, that's a pretty radical sort of in-your-face at the constitutional system. [Fox News, The O'Reilly Factor, 8/30/2011]

      Sorry folks...Charlie's raging paranoia is erupting again (he can't help it...anything with the word Obama in the sentence is like Curly from the Three Stooges with the cheese). We'll get him back on his meds very soon and he'll be the same old right-wing curmudgeon very soon!

      Oh, and don't worry, we'll gently remind him that it's just a process of criminal triage, the same one employed by both AG's John Ashcroft & Alberto Gonzalez several time during the golden-years of the Bush administration!
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    • Author by MiddleAmerica (August 31, 2011 11:18 am ET)
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      MMfA is the one twisting facts.
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    • Author by MiddleAmerica (August 31, 2011 11:21 am ET)
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      Distinction without a difference - the Dream Act is not amnesty, it creates a well-defined process to legalize.
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      • Author by jamesB (August 31, 2011 12:00 pm ET)
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        exactly. it's amnesty. and don't you love how liberals and open border advocates come up with new, more friendly ways and phrases to say things - a well defined process to legalize. lol! so this is our new "well defined process" now for anyone who is here illegally - "maintaining good moral character"? and who determines what that is? ridiculous. some leftist-soaked vague platitude thought up to keep people from saying what it really is - amnesty.
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        • Author by JoeSixpack (August 31, 2011 12:24 pm ET)
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          new, more friendly ways and phrases to say things

          Like calling torture "enhanced interrogation," and branding human-caused global warming as mere "climate change?"
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          • Author by jamesB (August 31, 2011 12:32 pm ET)
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            nah, torture is torture and global warming is global warming. it's liberal who have chosen climate change.
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            • Author by cripto9t709 (August 31, 2011 1:11 pm ET)
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              Actually Republicans have embraced the terms global warming and climate change because they can make them "controversial", they can't argue for air and water pollution as Kraut made clear when he had to correct Billdo on his show.
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              • Author by jamesB (August 31, 2011 1:19 pm ET)
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                either way it's off topic. this is about the term amnesty and how the left wants that term discarded and replaced with something more palatable. when a topic comes here about terms like global warming or climate change or torture and how some want those replaced I may comment.
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                • Author by JoeSixpack (August 31, 2011 1:32 pm ET)
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                  So, when you complain that liberals like to find nicer, euphemistic ways to put things, I shouldn't point out the fact that the right does the same thing all the time. Got it. I'll try to stay on topic so that you can continue to pretend that you have a valid point.
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                  • Author by jamesB (August 31, 2011 1:36 pm ET)
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                    you are free to point out whatever you want, i couldn't care less. the left does it, so does the right. i, unlike many of you, don't live to defend their tactics.
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                    • Author by JoeSixpack (August 31, 2011 2:07 pm ET)
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                      You made the choice to cast this as a liberal problem. Now you admit that both sides do it. I guess acknowledging that obvious truth from the start would have denied you your much-needed liberal-bashing fix, and we can't have that, now can we?
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                      • Author by jamesB (August 31, 2011 2:10 pm ET)
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                        fine, if it makes you feel superior, or just able to breathe easier, yes, both do it. but the topic here is how liberals are doing it. if you want to discuss how conservatives do it, then go to free republic or media research center or somewhere and comment there about an issue you brought up, like torture. they are waiting for you.
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                        • Author by JoeSixpack (August 31, 2011 2:24 pm ET)
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                          if it makes you feel superior,

                          How sad that you feel a simple statement of truth is an attempt to aggrandize myself. What was your liberal bashing in the first place, if not a pathetic attempt to make yourself feel superior?

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                        • Author by NotSure8 (September 01, 2011 9:17 am ET)
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                          yes, both do it. but the topic here is how liberals are doing it

                          No, the article is about conservatives doing it. You turned it to liberals, yet complain when it gets turned back to conservatives the exact same way you did.
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                    • Author by foghornleghorn (August 31, 2011 2:08 pm ET)
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                      the left does it, so does the right.

                      False Equivalency Alert!!!! (courtesy of tommy/rightOn/riverdog/jamesBond/etc/etc
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                      • Author by Missouri Democrat (September 01, 2011 2:33 pm ET)
                           
                        Fog what did you say to get a post pulled?
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                        • Author by foghornleghorn (September 01, 2011 4:17 pm ET)
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                          It was a joke in bad taste. Shouldn't have posted it. But Krauthammer is such a tool that I had a weak moment.

                          (The joke referred to a footrace)
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                • Author by cripto9t709 (August 31, 2011 1:32 pm ET)
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                  No, this topic is about Kraut lying his @ss off.

                  And you've already commented on climate change and torture, but now you don't want to back it up because it's "off topic".

                  I understand.
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                  • Author by jamesB (August 31, 2011 1:38 pm ET)
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                    i commented on it as a comparison. if you want to have a discussion on those topics go to a thread where they are being discussed. and i have no idea what i am supposed to "back up"? you're just an overly emotional liberal looking to argue global warming or torture, i guess. well then do it. where they are the topics.
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                    • Author by cripto9t709 (August 31, 2011 1:57 pm ET)
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                      I'll point it out for you.

                      "it's liberal who have chosen climate change. "

                      You can't back it up and I understand.

                      Keep playing dumb.
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                      • Author by jamesB (August 31, 2011 2:00 pm ET)
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                        look at the bottom of the mmfa home page and let me know if it's called global warming, or climate change?
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                        • Author by cripto9t709 (August 31, 2011 2:40 pm ET)
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                          So you've decided to go "off topic"?

                          Again?

                          I'll play.

                          What's MMFA got to do with Republicans hiding behind fake controversies about "global warming" and "climate change" to mask their support of pollution?
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                          • Author by jamesB (August 31, 2011 2:45 pm ET)
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                            you are a moron. you wanted proof that it's liberals who prefer climate change to global warming and i gave it to you. sorry you can't accept it.
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                • Author by nothingtoseehere (August 31, 2011 1:38 pm ET)
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                  Um, actually, this was you:

                  and don't you love how liberals...


                  I.e. you made a broad statement about liberals changing labels, which cripto9t709 refuted.

                  It's a convenient tactic you lot (I won't insult the conservatives by calling you that) employ: throw out a bunch of words, the cherry-pick which ones you feel are relevant to the conversation.
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                  • Author by jamesB (August 31, 2011 1:41 pm ET)
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                    sorry that offended you. i would imagine all the broad statements about conservatives bother you too? when they do, then you can wear your sensitivities on your sleeve, until then, no.
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                    • Author by nothingtoseehere (August 31, 2011 1:47 pm ET)
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                      haha I appreciate the apology, but I'm not sure where in my comment there was anything suggesting I was offended?

                      Regardless, if you look over my comment history at MMfA, you will see I've taking a pretty consistent stance against over generalization, labeling, and divisiveness.
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                      • Author by nothingtoseehere (August 31, 2011 1:56 pm ET)
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                        Also, a careful re-read of my comment will also reveal that I was actually discussing engagement tactics, not broad statements.

                        Forgive me if you reply and don't see a response for a while. I'm off to lunch :)
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                        • Author by jamesB (August 31, 2011 2:07 pm ET)
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                          well i carefully reread your comments and you were the one who initially said "broad statements", not me.
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                          • Author by nothingtoseehere (August 31, 2011 4:14 pm ET)
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                            Yes. I used the term "broad statement" because you made a broad statement.

                            This is fun, got any more?
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                • Author by Badtime (August 31, 2011 6:41 pm ET)
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                  Okay immigration guru. Tell me, what is your amazing miracle solution to our immigration problems*? How long will it take to enact? Who will it affect?

                  *I don't see immigration as a problem whatsoever. It's only xenophobic bigots that see immigration as a "problem".
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                  • Author by jamesB (August 31, 2011 6:50 pm ET)
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                    not by letting the world know that we will give you a "well-defined process to legalize" if you are "maintaining good moral character". the will open the floodgates. enforce the laws on the books, start there.
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                    • Author by jonimacaroni1 (September 01, 2011 2:42 am ET)
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                      And this is the same guy who supposedly isn't "right ON", according to "right ON". Except this is exactly the argument that "right ON" always used.

                      We need comprehensive immigration reform. We've done all we can without that.
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            • Author by cripto9t709 (August 31, 2011 1:23 pm ET)
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              Enhanced Interrogation is not torture, it's just a method of retrieving information that dubya borrowed from the Nazi's, right?
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            • Author by kabniel (September 01, 2011 3:26 am ET)
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              james

              You are a punk. They called it climate change because it is more accurate and people as stupid as you couldnt tell the difference between weather and climate and kept jeering every time it snowed
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        • Author by SMTDL (August 31, 2011 12:37 pm ET)
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          Wrong!! Amnesty is really what Ronald Reagan did to address the illegals in the country at that time.I guess that was a "leftist -soaked vague platitude" on the part of the GIPPER!That was surprising after his embrace of the Republican southern strategy and racist States Rights platform.What an actor he must have been!!!
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          • Author by jamesB (August 31, 2011 12:39 pm ET)
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            you're right. reagan did it and look how that worked out. we were promised all sorts of immigration enforcement and we have more illegals now. made the amnesty mistake once, not again.
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            • Author by jonimacaroni1 (August 31, 2011 1:22 pm ET)
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              It's not "amnesty'" fault that comprehensive immigration reform wasn't eventually enacted.

              Amnesty and immigration enforcement are two totally separate things. And you know this, "right ON/jamesB". You're just being a troll.

              The issue here is that what Obama wants to do isn't amnesty. Delaying the deportation of the least dangerous illegal immigrants so that one can concentrate on the most dangerous ones isn't equivalent to amnesty for the ones who aren't being targeted right now. The DREAM Act isn't amnesty either.
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    • Author by grmce (August 31, 2011 11:38 am ET)
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      In the words of Hercules Grytpype-Thynne, "You silly twisted boy, you." or, just as appropriately, John Lennon, "One thing you can't hide/Is when you're crippled inside."

      Krauthammer is one of the more loathsome creatures inhabiting the commentariat. Another quote: "...It is a tale/Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury/Signifying nothing."

      Has he ever made a worthwhile contribution to public discourse?
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    • Author by NiceguyEddie (August 31, 2011 12:37 pm ET)
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      To the extent to which Republicans, and inreasingly many Democrats, whore themselves out to Corporations and the Rich and Powerful and do everything in their power to twart the will of the people (which includes using the media to misinform them!) I find it extremely hypocritical when any Right-Winger starts chest-thumping about the Constitution.

      To these people, Mitt Romney was right: Corporations are people. But until they start realizing that PEOPLE are (at a minumum) ALSO PEOPLE, I don't want to hear any claptrap about the Constitution from them.

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      IMHO
      UTOPIA
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    • Author by JoeBtfsplk (August 31, 2011 1:31 pm ET)
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      I agree that Obama is imposing regulations after Congress had decided isn't playing by the rules.
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    • Author by HotWings (August 31, 2011 10:11 pm ET)
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      Krauthammer is right. Congress didn't pass the Dream Act like Obama wanted and now Obama is trying to enact the Dream Act anyways through other means. And you people are so hypocritical because if it was President Bush who had bypassed Congress like Obama is doing, you would be up in arms about it.
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      • Author by MiniTru (September 01, 2011 10:47 am ET)
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        Congress didn't pass the Dream Act like Obama wanted and now Obama is trying to enact the Dream Act anyways through other means.
        It isn't like he used a signing statement almost 1,000 times, like GWBush did when things didn't go his way now, is it?
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    • Author by altsoba (September 01, 2011 6:51 pm ET)
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      Krauthammer is right Obama dose by-passed congress when he knows he can't get his way.

      His so called Dream Act is nothing more than him pandering to the Mexican voting base to try to get him re-elected and God help us if that happens because he has done enough damage in the three years he's been in office.

      Obama could not get the Cap & Trade scam passed so now he is having the EPA do his bidding. Are you stupid enough to think this will not make energy cost go up. Obama said himself that if someone wanted to build a coal power plant go ahead but that he would create regulations that would bankrupt them and that electricity prices would have to NECESSARILY SKYROCKET.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlTxGHn4sH4

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpTIhyMa-Nw&feature=related

      Just look at the war in Libya he had 90 days to get congressional approval by a law called the War Powers Resolution but he still dose not have congressional approval for this unconstitutional war.

      Recently Obama used executive order to require all gun shops on the border states to report the sell of two or more semi-automatic rifles larger than .22 caliber or two handguns to the BATF after congress refused to mandate such requirements. This came about during the Fast and Furious scandal that allowed guns into the hands of Mexican drug gangs and that it was also discovered that the Obama administration sold over 30,000 guns to the Sinaloa drug cartel and allowed them to bring tons of cocaine into the US in exchange for intel on the other competing gangs. With all of this Obama the idiot still claims that gun shows are still the main source of all the guns flowing into Mexico when in reality it is his administration that are the criminals


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    • Author by kdyson (September 02, 2011 8:03 pm ET)
         
      Mr Krauthammer is on Fox...that tells me volumes..no need to waste any more time...
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