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The Fake "War On Christmas" Campaign Begins

November 11, 2011 1:19 pm ET — 253 Comments

This week, the right-wing media began its annual fake "War on Christmas" campaign, freaking out about a bogus Obama "Christmas tree tax." Here's what to expect from right-wing media during the next six weeks.

Right-Wing Media Launch "War On Christmas" Coverage With "Christmas Tree Tax" Freakout

Fox & Friends Chryon: "Grinched By The Government: Christmas Tree Tax Adds 15 Cents Per." During the November 9 broadcast of Fox News' Fox & Friends, co-host Gretchen Carlson claimed that the administration is "grinching 15 cents out of your pocket potentially" by adding a fee to the price of live Christmas trees. Carlson later noted that the program is intended to boost sales of live trees and "the majority of Christmas tree farms are in favor of" the new program. During the segment, on-screen text said, "Grinched By The Government." From Fox & Friends:

Grinching

[Fox News, Fox & Friends11/9/11, via Media Matters]

Hoft: "Barack Obama Hates Christians." In a November 8 Gateway Pundit post titled, "Bah Humbug...Obama Imposes 15¢ Tax on Christmas Trees," Jim Hoft suggested the Christmas tree fee showed that "Barack Obama [h]ates Christians." [The Gateway Pundit, 11/8/11]

Doug Powers: "I Couldn't Believe The First Order Of Business Wasn't To Remove The Word 'Christmas' From The Name." In a November 8 MichelleMalkin.com post, Doug Powers wrote:

When I read that the federal government was getting involved in the Christmas tree industry, I couldn't believe the first order of business wasn't to remove the word "Christmas" from the name. Maybe that'll come later, but for now the Obama administration is trying to help during a down economy, which of course involves a new business fee, which will cost consumers more. I can feel that recession lifting already. [MichelleMalkin.com, 11/8/11, emphasis original]

Drudge: "Obama's New 'Christmas Tree Tax.'" On November 8, the Drudge Report linked to a Heritage Foundation blog about the plan under the headline, "Obama's New 'Christmas Tree Tax.' " From the Drudge Report:

Drudge tree tax

[Drudge Report Archives, 11/9/11]

Fox's Bruce: Christmas Tree Fee "Target[s] One Religion And One Religion Only -- Christianity." In a November 10 Newsmax article, Fox News contributor Tammy Bruce said of the Christmas tree checkoff fee, "The fact is it was a tax meant to fund a board appointed by a federal agency targeting one religion and one religion only -- Christianity." Bruce claimed the "precedent" for the fee is a Muslim "tax levied on non-Muslim citizens in the Islamic world." Bruce went on to say the fee is a "tribute by those pesky Christians who dare to think there is a higher authority than the permanent political class." Fox Nation promoted the article as evidence of "Obama's War on Christianity." From Fox Nation:

Fox Nation

[Newsmax, 11/10/11; Fox Nation, 11/10/11]

For the truth about "Obama's Christmas tree tax," SEE HERE.

There's More To Come: The Right-Wing Media Have Been Fighting A Fake "War On Christmas" For Years

Carlson: Candidates Should Be Asked What Should Be Done About The "War On Christmas." On the August 11 edition of Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor, Carlson said GOP presidential candidates should be asked about the "political correctness in our society," including "the War on Christmas." From The O'Reilly Factor

BILL O'REILLY (host): All right, Carlson. If you were moderating tonight, and you had an opportunity to ask a cultural question, what would the first question be?

CARLSON: As president, how important would it be for you to address the political correctness in our society, many argue is totally out of control, from the War on Christmas to leaving the word God out of the Pledge of Allegiance to not calling the alleged Fort Hood shooter what he is, a homegrown Muslim terrorist? How is that harmful moving forward for our nation? [Fox News,The O'Reilly Factor8/11/11, via Media Matters

Fox Accused The NBA Of Waging A "War On Christmas." On December 23, 2010, Fox Nation linked to a story about then-Los Angeles Lakers coach Phil Jackson's complaining about having to work on Christmas Day under the headline, "The NBA's War on Christmas?" From Fox Nation:

NBA War on Xmas

[Fox Nation, 12/23/10, via Media Matters]

Bozell Claimed Lack Of Religious Christmas Coverage Shows "Complete Secularization Of The National News Media." On the December 17, 2010, edition of Fox News' Fox & Friends, Doocy hosted Media Research Center president Brent Bozell to react to the claim that "Christmas or talking about Christ, or the reason for the season, is heard so infrequently on the network telecasts." Bozell claimed that "only seven out of 527 -- only 1.3 percent" of stories about Christmas "mentioned Jesus or God. This is the complete secularization of the national news media." [Fox News, Fox & Friends12/17/10, via Media Matters]  

Kilmeade Declared Change Of Name For Tulsa Holiday Parade A "Topic Of National Controversy." On the December 7, 2010, edition of Fox News' Fox & Friends, co-host Brian Kilmeade declared that a decision to change the name of a Tulsa parade from the "Christmas Parade" to the "Holiday Parade" was a "topic of national controversy." [Fox News, Fox & Friends12/7/10, via Media Matters]

Fox & Friends Invented Florida Elementary School's War On Christmas. On the November 29, 2010, edition of Fox News' Fox & Friends, Carlson covered an anonymous parent's claim that Heathrow Elementary School in Florida was "not going to let red and green in the classroom." Fox Nation also ran the story under the headline, "School Bans Christmas Colors":

School red and green

[Fox News, Fox & Friends11/29/10, via Media Matters; Fox Nation, 11/29/10, via Media Matters]

For the truth about Heathrow Elementary's bogus War on Christmas, SEE HERE.

Palin: Put "Christ  Back In Christmas" Because Christians "Put Up With A Lot" They "Don't Believe In Either." On the November 24, 2010, edition of Fox News' Fox & Friends, Carlson asked Fox News contributor Sarah Palin, "Why is the manger so much a threat in this society?" Palin responded that she would have "Christ back in Christmas, and hopefully it won't offend you, because we put up with a whole lot of other things that perhaps we don't personally believe in, either." Palin later said she hoped there would be "some reciprocation of some of that tolerance when it comes to Christians." [Fox News, Fox & Friends11/24/10, via Media Matters]

Doocy Tried To Bait Archbishop Dolan Into Complaining About War On Christmas. On the December 10, 2009, edition of Fox News' Fox & Friends, Doocy asked Archbishop Timothy Dolan, "What do you make of the whole move by some to marginalize Christmas during these times?" Dolan replied: "I'm not one of these that gets handwringing or all hot and bothered. ... I'm just glad people peripherally, at least, say, 'Hey, there's something great about this season.' " [Fox News, Fox & Friends12/10/09, via Media Matters]

Fox's Hemmer And Camerota Hyped Story Of Boston Elementary School Gift Shop Prohibiting Christmas-Themed Gifts. On the November 17, 2009, edition of Fox News' America's Newsroom, co-host Bill Hemmer and guest host Alisyn Camerota aired a segment hyping a story of an elementary school in Boston that had prohibited Christmas-themed gifts from being sold in the school's holiday gift shop. Hemmer reacted to the story by asking, "Is the War on Christmas yet raging again? Already?" [Fox News, America's Newsroom11/17/10, via Media Matters]

Carlson: "I'm All For Free Speech And Free Rights, Just Not On December 25." On the December 11, 2008, edition of Fox News' Fox & Friends, after co-host Steve Doocy reported on a Washington state man's request to celebrate the fictional holiday Festivus, Carlson called it "a mockery ... of what 85 percent of the general public believes in." Carlson went on to say: "I am tolerant. I'm all for free speech and free rights, just not on December 25." [Fox News, Fox & Friends12/11/08, via Media Matters]

O'Reilly: "If You Stand Up For Christmas, They Come After You." On the November 28, 2005, edition of his radio show, Bill O'Reilly claimed:

O'REILLY: [Y]ou use your left-wing smear websites to go after anybody who stands up for Christmas. If you stand up for Christmas, they come after you. So the tandem intimidates. The tandem intimidates. Suing on one hand; smearing on the other hand.

[...]

In every secular progressive country, they've wiped out religion ... Joseph Stalin, Adolf Hitler, Mao Zedong, Fidel Castro, all of them. That's the first step. Get the religion out of there, so that we can impose our big-government, progressive agenda. [Fox News, The Radio Factor with Bill O'Reilly11/28/05, via Media Matters]

O'Reilly Claimed War On Christmas Is "All Part Of The Secular Progressive Agenda." On the November 21, 2005, edition of Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor, host Bill O'Reilly -- during a segment on "American stores ... using 'Christmas' in advertising" -- claimed that the effort to not use the word Christmas was "all part of the secular progressive agenda" to "pass secular progressive programs like legalization of narcotics, euthanasia, abortion at will, gay marriage, because the objection to those things is religious-based, usually." [Fox News, The O'Reilly Factor11/21/05, via Media Matters]

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    • Author by montanabuddha (November 11, 2011 1:27 pm ET)
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      Here's our local "War on religion story."

      Anybody else got one?

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    • Author by ThomasJH268 (November 11, 2011 1:28 pm ET)
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      Well the "war on holloween" was a dress rehersal. Is there anyone who, honestly, didn't see this coming?
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      • Author by Egbert Souse (November 11, 2011 2:28 pm ET)
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        If it's not an attack on one religious holiday, then it's an attack on another. Sigh. Next they'll be banning the wearing of pentagrams in the public schools.
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        • Author by kamrom (November 11, 2011 3:43 pm ET)
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          Well, what do you expect? Its from a group who doesnt get that the whole point of Satanism is to explicitly annoying ultra rightwing christians by saying things deisgned to do just that.

          These people are easier to lead around than...some..easily led around thing. Im not good with metaphors but didnt just want to fill this entire post with "jerk-idiots."
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        • Author by curiousindependent (November 12, 2011 5:28 am ET)
             
          It has already happened. More than once.

          Ok, pentacles, not pentagrams. But since most people who don't wear either don't know the difference...

          I once had a woman in a Barnes & Noble telling me about how her grandson was Jewish. I didn't realize until well afterwards that she had mistaken my druid's foot for a star of David.
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    • Author by nerzog (November 11, 2011 1:30 pm ET)
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      It's about f***ing time. I was beginning to think the War on Christmas had been cancelled this year.
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      • Author by BDA (November 11, 2011 1:56 pm ET)
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        Me and my union thug schoolteacher wife are just waiting for our phone call from George Soros to begin the anti-Christmas riots. I still have my signs from the called off riots that we were supposed to have had this summer. I will just add a few sprigs of mistletoe to the signs to make them anti-Christmas.
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      • Author by neon desert (November 11, 2011 2:20 pm ET)
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        Really Nerzog? 'Cause I was thinking the war on Christmas seems to start earlier and earlier each year.

        In the fifth war on Christmas
        My true love gave to me
        Five "Happy Holidays"

        Four Solstice Sales
        Three holiday plays
        Two winter fairs
        And a non-denominational greeting card...
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        • Author by kamrom (November 11, 2011 3:46 pm ET)
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          I always have my eye open for a war on christmas. If they take my randomly dispersed calendar numberings on a very large christmas picture which open up each day to shaped chocolates until i get impatient, I will join them in their crusade to stop the war on christmas.

          ..As it is, I see the store has many of those. So I'll have to wait til next year to start my fake revolution.

          Oh, but instead of a christmas tree, my mom got me this weird..plastic fold out deal OF a christmas tree which i can put on a window nad have it stick. Sure, it might be because I live on the top floor in a studio apartment..

          ...But it might also be because of Obama. Crappy christmas decorations sounds exactly like..

          ...No I cant even keep this up. My satire has run out. If Fox is still actually tricking people with this nonsense, those people deserve it. They are clearly idiots.
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      • Author by Egbert Souse (November 11, 2011 2:31 pm ET)
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        But doesn't it seem to come earlier and earlier each year? Whatever happened to the true meaning of War?
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        • Author by Leporello (November 11, 2011 3:08 pm ET)
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          War? Hunh! What is it good for? Absolutely Nothin!
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        • Author by neon desert (November 11, 2011 3:31 pm ET)
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          This one always puts me in the war on Christmas spirit:

          Have yourself a little war on Christmas,
          Let's annoy the right
          From now on,
          December's just a time to fight

          Have yourself a pagan war on Christmas,
          Kill the creche displays,
          From now on,
          There's no more grade school Christmas plays.

          Here we are as in olden days,
          Happy golden days of yore.
          Donar 'n' solstice, we're on our knees
          Worshiping our trees of Thor.

          Through the years
          We all will be together,
          If the cops allow
          Tear that shining star on City Hall right down.
          And have yourself a merry war on Christmas now.
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      • Author by eweston8542983 (November 11, 2011 4:52 pm ET)
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        Nah, we've got a thousand Orc's to disrupt the Macy's Parade ready to go.

        Neo-pagans for the Approxomate Armagedditton.
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    • Author by OhImRight (November 11, 2011 1:31 pm ET)
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      they are just practicing for the real "War on something Campaign". Which is the "war on Frog Crossing signs and Goat herder Regulations"
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    • Author by Conchobhar (November 11, 2011 1:32 pm ET)
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      In Ailesland, controversy=ratings, so create one whenever possible.
      Yawn.

      "Grinched?" You don't want to go there, Fux. The entire point of the Grinch story is anti-corporate and anti-materialistic. Your point man, Billd O'Reilly (incredibly courageous in imaginary wars), stated the Fux Noise position on that last year, (possibly the year before) when a guest reminded him that Christmas is, really, a spiritual event: "That's really naive."
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      • Author by danielsangeo (November 11, 2011 1:35 pm ET)
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        Yep. The entire point of the Grinch story is that you can't take Christmas away even with the complete removal of all the trappings. The moral of the story is that a "war on Christmas" is completely impossible.
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        • Author by nerzog (November 11, 2011 1:48 pm ET)
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          But, you can destroy it by rubbing your credit card three times and saying the magic words "Happy Holidays".
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          • Author by danielsangeo (November 11, 2011 1:55 pm ET)
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            I said "Happy Holidays" to someone and they complained about me using that term. I said, "Sorry, I should've been politically correct. 'Merry Christmas!'"

            They weren't amused.
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            • Author by Conchobhar (November 11, 2011 2:06 pm ET)
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              This year? It's not even Thanksgiving yet. Let's finish our war on that before we attack an holiday that's a month and a half away.
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            • Author by nerzog (November 11, 2011 2:09 pm ET)
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              You were quite accurate, though. As much as they whine about "Political Correctness", the Troglodytes relentlessly seek to impose their own version of it.
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            • Author by MickD (November 13, 2011 9:38 am ET)
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              Can you imagine having a life where someone greeting you...greeting you!...is considered annoying? I feel sorry for your colleague, dan.
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    • Author by Imbecile (November 11, 2011 1:35 pm ET)
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      With all the negative attention Fox News is getting for their War on Christmas hype, I think it's about time Fox declares that there's a War on the War on Christmas.
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    • Author by Conchobhar (November 11, 2011 1:39 pm ET)
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      So, Gretchen, on December 25th you would stop me from pointing out that December 25, or the Winter Solstice, is when the god Mithras was born in a cave, surrounded by shepherds, some hundreds of years before the birth of Jesus of Nazareth (probably in July), and that Christianity, when Constantine made it the Roman religion, appropriated the date? Allow me to hit you with a quote from Ghandi, that I just came across the other day: Truth is God.
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      • Author by curiousindependent (November 12, 2011 5:35 am ET)
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        There you go again: pulling out those historical facts and accuracies when you KNOW that those things make FOX personalities and viewers break out in hives.
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    • Author by jamesB (November 11, 2011 1:49 pm ET)
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      fox's war on christmas stupidity is only exceeded by the creation of some needless nonsense christmas tree task force.
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      • Author by heehee..santorum (November 11, 2011 1:55 pm ET)
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        Thanks jamesButtplug, prescient and inflammatory...ish. Old news that never was news, brought to you by a troll sex-toy.
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        • Author by heehee..santorum (November 11, 2011 2:11 pm ET)
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          by jamesB: Fox's war on Christmas stupidity is only exceeded by my lack of IMAGINATION! Please allow me to re-argue the point that I failed miserably at arguing YESTERDAY. derp derp derp
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          • Author by Imbecile (November 11, 2011 2:18 pm ET)
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            Jimmy really only has about 3 arguments that he's forced to recycle daily. For some reason, he thinks that's winning.
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            • Author by jamesB (November 11, 2011 2:26 pm ET)
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              winning? against far left loonies like you who think a task force on christmas trees is a worthwhile govt expenditure? hardly. if you buy something as all out stupid as that, there is nothing i can say to bring you back to reality. you're gone.
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              • Author by Imbecile (November 11, 2011 2:39 pm ET)
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                I have serious doubts about your reading education. You have a remarkable inability to not ever address the comment you're replying or to understand the main idea of an MMfA article.

                Maybe that's why you always try and divert the conversation. It's not that you're being dishonest; it's that you just don't know what the hell is going on.

                Is that it?
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                • Author by jamesB (November 11, 2011 2:47 pm ET)
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                  divert? you are a piece of work. try commenting on the subject, the fee/tax for the task force. you are taking great pains to avoid it, i would too if i couldn't defend it.
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                  • Author by highlyunlikely (November 11, 2011 2:57 pm ET)
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                    james doesn't know it but he's now on our turf. You can tell by how desperately he's trying to steer it back to topic, in order to continue mutilating that.
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                  • Author by Imbecile (November 11, 2011 3:08 pm ET)
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                    Read the headline, jimmy. The topic is the fake war on christmas, not the christmas tree task force.

                    Man, I feel so bad for your reading teacher. So, so bad.
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                    • Author by jamesB (November 11, 2011 4:07 pm ET)
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                      You can tell by how desperately he's trying to steer it back to topic,

                      lol! i know, the moderators should consider banning me for that!
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                  • Author by curiousindependent (November 12, 2011 5:37 am ET)
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                    divert? you are a piece of work. try commenting on the subject, the fee/tax for the task force. you are taking great pains to avoid it, i would too if i couldn't defend it.
                    Really? And here, I thought the subject was

                    The Fake "War On Christmas" Campaign Begins
                    Man, you DO have a reading conprehension problem, don't you?

                    Retarded much?
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                  • Author by curiousindependent (November 12, 2011 5:40 am ET)
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                    Golly gee, you have us. How in the world can we ever defend an INDUSTRY RECOMMENDED 15 cent tax on a tree in order to fund an advertising campaign to sell more trees.

                    OH THE HUMANITY!!!!!!!
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                • Author by chazmanr (November 11, 2011 3:51 pm ET)
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                  There are too many competing voices inside that melon for James to keep track of to whom he is responding.
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              • Author by highlyunlikely (November 11, 2011 2:53 pm ET)
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                james is feeling lazy today so he trots out a bogus expression invented by O'Reilly. Next, I suppose, will come "pinhead."
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              • Author by kabniel (November 11, 2011 2:56 pm ET)
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                james

                It is astonishing how stupid you are. Far too stupid to even recognize reality. You are a liar and a fool. You dont understand the program. You are too stupid to be telling us what gov should be doing. No one in their right mind thinks you are anything but a brainwashed moron and a free clown show.
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      • Author by Imbecile (November 11, 2011 2:07 pm ET)
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        Once again, you demonstrate your inability to stay on topic while, within the boundaries of a single sentence, attempt to force everyone into an entirely different topic.

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        • Author by jamesB (November 11, 2011 2:09 pm ET)
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          i know, anything beyond fox sucks taxes your intelligence. then by all means, ignore me and concentrate on that.
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          • Author by Imbecile (November 11, 2011 2:17 pm ET)
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            You only wish I'd ignore you. You proved the other day you're out of your depth with me, so begging me to ignore you is all you've got left.

            It's not going to happen.

            If you're not going to debate the topic and debate it honestly, then I'm going to make it a point to drive you out of it.

            Let's take your first sentence. You know, the "fox sucks" one. You tried to pull that on me the other day and it didn't work. Why you'd try to use it again only shows that you think it'll work this time or that you're so limited on ideas that all you can do is recycle the same, tired, played-out comments.

            I answered that claim the other day. I suggest you go read it and learn a new approach.
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            • Author by jamesB (November 11, 2011 2:20 pm ET)
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              you're such a fraud. the topic is this stupid fee/tax going to pay for some even stupider task force. you can't defend it, you can't even acknowledge it. so the depth you sink to is your obsession with telling me how smart you are in hopes of convincing yourself, we both know that.
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              • Author by Imbecile (November 11, 2011 2:36 pm ET)
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                You should probably read the headline again.

                It sounds like you're getting angry.

                Is everything okay, jimmy?
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                • Author by jamesB (November 11, 2011 2:43 pm ET)
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                  still can't defend or even acknowledge it, can you? and you call me dishonest? ha. a little self reflection my friend. if you have no intention of addressing the topic at hand, then you are just trolling. gee, go figure. :)
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                  • Author by Imbecile (November 11, 2011 2:53 pm ET)
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                    Yep. You're dishonest.

                    I'm going to attempt to explain something to you. Let's hope you understand.

                    Refusing to be baited by you is not indicative of an inability on our part to defend against your accusation, nor does it imply an implicit admission that your claim is irrefutably correct.

                    It just means that we won't play your game.

                    Does that make sense? Did it sink in?

                    My guess is: no; it didn't.
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                    • Author by highlyunlikely (November 11, 2011 2:56 pm ET)
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                      Well, he's honest about one thing. He doesn't care about winning the argument, only keeping the responses coming. As I've noted numerous times, it's up to us whether and how to.
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                    • Author by jamesB (November 11, 2011 2:58 pm ET)
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                      again, you're a phony. you can't defend the task force so you claim i am baiting you asking for a direct answer. ha! do you not think i see through that little ploy? fine, don't answer, dodge and play the poor pathetic victim all you want whining about being baited by me. you're not nearly as smart as you keep telling yourself you are.
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                      • Author by highlyunlikely (November 11, 2011 3:02 pm ET)
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                        james is a programmed robot. He can't acknowledge getting him where he lives SO he pretends it's actually some weakness on the other guy's part.
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                        • Author by Andy Kreiss (November 11, 2011 5:02 pm ET)
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                          Come on, he just wants somebody to take the other side of the imaginary little debate he's trying to start.

                          The lucky candidate gets to represent something that Jimmy has decided shall be called The Needless Nonsense Christmas Tree Task Force.
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                      • Author by Imbecile (November 11, 2011 3:07 pm ET)
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                        Playing a victim? You don't really know what that little phrase means, do you?
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                        • Author by highlyunlikely (November 11, 2011 3:09 pm ET)
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                          ah, I don't know, im. It's just as likely he says whatever pops into his head.
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                        • Author by jamesB (November 11, 2011 4:16 pm ET)
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                          poor child. afraid you'll get baited by me. since you can't direct your posts to the topic you have no choice. and none of you want to discuss the topic, that's fine. we all know why.
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                          • Author by highlyunlikely (November 11, 2011 4:21 pm ET)
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                            jimmy tries "can't direct your posts" in his continuing effort to pretend he's here to do content. As I said before, it's impossible to disabuse him of these false notions, nor is there any shame in him to be extracted when he's caught.
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                            • Author by Imbecile (November 11, 2011 4:32 pm ET)
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                              highlyunlikely,

                              I like to think that whenever jimmy's around, we provide a service by running interference so he can't employ his lame tactics.

                              He's like a fish on a hook convinced he's fooled some big human into grasping the fishing pole.
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                              • Author by highlyunlikely (November 11, 2011 4:35 pm ET)
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                                "Running interference" is exactly right. May I borrow that phrase in future comments?
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              • Author by kabniel (November 11, 2011 2:59 pm ET)
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                james

                That is not the topic. You are a liar and too stupid to read
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          • Author by kabniel (November 11, 2011 2:57 pm ET)
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            james

            You are a liar. You are a punk trying to derail the thread and slapping you around while laughing at your immense ignorance is more fun than ignoring you
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        • Author by danielsangeo (November 11, 2011 2:10 pm ET)
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          Well, they did mention the tree "tax" in this article....which is something that the growers wanted to help with selling trees. Not really "needless" but jamesB is incapable of telling the truth, so....
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          • Author by Imbecile (November 11, 2011 2:22 pm ET)
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            Yeah, but I can't find where they mentioned a task force. Maybe jimmy's got the magic goggles.
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            • Author by jamesB (November 11, 2011 2:24 pm ET)
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              it's what the fee/tax is going to pay for, imbecile. i know, it gets complicated, doesn't it?
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              • Author by kabniel (November 11, 2011 3:01 pm ET)
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                james

                I easily could. I did when it was the topic. That you are a pathetic troll trying to derail the topic and we dont want to follow you off topic doesnt mean we didnt kick your butt yesterday when you were so stupid and so delusional you THOUGHT you were doing well.

                You are pathetic james you always will be
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                • Author by highlyunlikely (November 11, 2011 3:05 pm ET)
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                  but it sure beats working at his actual job during the slow times (see below).

                  Meanwhile I've noticed a point of hypocrisy from our james: asking people to make the same arguments again and again while claiming he's already made his when he hasn't. It requires fancy footwork which is why we see him stumbling so badly.
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                • Author by Imbecile (November 11, 2011 3:06 pm ET)
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                  He prefers to be called jimmy. You know, like the intrepid Jimmy Olsen, kid-boy wonder news-sleuth.
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                  • Author by highlyunlikely (November 11, 2011 3:07 pm ET)
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                    "he prefers to be called jimmy."


                    Then james it is.
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                    • Author by Imbecile (November 11, 2011 3:09 pm ET)
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                      I was actually making that up. :)

                      I don't know what he prefers, other than to be a worm on a hook.
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                      • Author by highlyunlikely (November 11, 2011 3:47 pm ET)
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                        ok, then, I will call him jimmy, since he thinks like a little boy.
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                  • Author by chazmanr (November 11, 2011 3:54 pm ET)
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                    I was thinking more Jimmy O'Keafe.
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                    • Author by Imbecile (November 11, 2011 4:01 pm ET)
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                      That works, too.

                      I'm sure he fancies himself quite the lady's man, what with his pimp suit and date-rape dinghy.
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          • Author by jamesB (November 11, 2011 2:23 pm ET)
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            perhaps you can tell me why this tax force is something we need, and ultimately what fresh christmas tree buyers will pay for? i prefer not to get liberal pablum telling me i hate government and police and necessary govt expenditures, as that is the usual tactic liberals use to distract and rationalize stupid govt waste. spare me that.
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            • Author by danielsangeo (November 11, 2011 2:30 pm ET)
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              It has already been explained to you to the nth degree. No more feed for you.
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              • Author by jamesB (November 11, 2011 2:42 pm ET)
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                lol. you always say that when you have no response.
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                • Author by Imbecile (November 11, 2011 2:43 pm ET)
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                  lol. you always say that when we won't feed you, troll.

                  And of course, you think this means you win, don't you?

                  I also bet you think that song was about you, don't you? Don't you?
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                  • Author by jamesB (November 11, 2011 2:45 pm ET)
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                    win? i already visited that above.
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                    • Author by highlyunlikely (November 11, 2011 2:54 pm ET)
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                      remember: winning consists of keeping the string going, regardless of content. so yes, he's even being dishonest about not caring about winning.
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                • Author by motorcity (November 11, 2011 2:52 pm ET)
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                  This program was deep sixed anyway, because of all you jagoffs on the right and your insane hatred of small business owners. Once again, the little guy gets screwed. Happy now?
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                  • Author by jamesB (November 11, 2011 2:56 pm ET)
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                    what little guy?
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                    • Author by danielsangeo (November 11, 2011 3:04 pm ET)
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                      The Christmas tree growers.
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                      • Author by motorcity (November 11, 2011 3:51 pm ET)
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                        Tommy doesn't understand where things like trees come from. Or fruits or vegetables or meat. I get the impression that tommy doesn't understand much of anything, except that somehow the bad ol' government is somehow shafting him in some vague way that he can't quite explain. I've asked him why he doesn't just pack up and leave, but he won't answer.
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                      • Author by jamesB (November 11, 2011 4:09 pm ET)
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                        lol! what about the fake christmas tree manufacturers? you liberals are so emotional in your arguments that you never think them through, this is a textbook example of that.
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                        • Author by highlyunlikely (November 11, 2011 4:11 pm ET)
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                          yup. Just over an hour. jimmy's lunch - or nap - hour is 3-4 E.

                          A bit late for that time zone, so I'm guessing he's in Mountain or Pacific.
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                        • Author by Imbecile (November 11, 2011 4:14 pm ET)
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                          lol! what about the fake christmas tree manufacturers? you liberals are so emotional in your arguments that you never think them through, this is a textbook example of that.


                          I'm going to add emotional to the growing list of words and phrases whose definition you just don't know.
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                          • Author by jamesB (November 11, 2011 4:19 pm ET)
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                            good for you. most liberal arguments are emotionally based because logic fails most of them. this is really above your pay grade. stick to telling me how smart you are.
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                            • Author by highlyunlikely (November 11, 2011 4:22 pm ET)
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                              james does pure insult. So much for the content he insists he's about.
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                            • Author by Imbecile (November 11, 2011 4:25 pm ET)
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                              Above my pay grade? Yet another example of a phrase whose meaning you don't get.

                              But here, I'll throw in a freebie for you. To say something is "above one's pay grade" deals with the responsibility inherent in the task, not the intellectual capacity to do it.

                              Now, hopefully the next time you try to use that phrase, you'll get it right.

                              Again, I'm not going to hold my breath, though.
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                            • Author by kabniel (November 11, 2011 4:34 pm ET)
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                              james

                              most liberal arguments are emotionally based because logic fails most of them


                              james you are so STUPID. We already know that is what Rush told you to think. The fact is it is easy to brainwash you with idiocy like this since you are too stupid to even know what logic is. It isnt that we are so smart it is that YOU are so STUPID. You are mindless beyond belief.
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                          • Author by kabniel (November 11, 2011 4:20 pm ET)
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                            imbecile

                            Yes, it is, it is also the talking point Rush told him to think. That liberals are emotional and not reasoned even though somehow we are also intellectual elitists. Remember Rush knows he is talking to people as stupid as james so he doesnt have to make sense.

                            james however is of the Limborg hivemind so he has to regurgitate what he was told to think whether it makes sense or not
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                            • Author by Imbecile (November 11, 2011 4:26 pm ET)
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                              kabniel,

                              I especially like how he calls us emotional, usually shortly after first getting angry with us and daring us to ignore him, and shortly before resorting to uncontrollable "lol"ing in his posts.
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                              • Author by highlyunlikely (November 11, 2011 4:31 pm ET)
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                                yeah, as I said below, the "lol"ing indicates he's not enjoying himself. Sounds backward until you realize it's a defense mechanism or state of cognitive dissonance, if you prefer.
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                              • Author by Andy Kreiss (November 11, 2011 5:18 pm ET)
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                                " Emotional liberals" is one of his favorite projections. Especially funny in the context of a bunch of butthurt right wingers crying about Santa Claus being attacked, needless nonsense Xmas tree task forces, and within a few days of right wing leaders voting to re-affirm "In God We Trust" as out national motto.

                                Yup, it must be tough for those rational righties to put up with all of that crazy emotion. If only we could deal in facts !
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                                • Author by highlyunlikely (November 11, 2011 5:21 pm ET)
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                                  see below. He projected the word "transparent." I said it was transparent projection.
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                        • Author by kabniel (November 11, 2011 4:18 pm ET)
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                          james

                          GOD but you are stupid. When we helped the dairy industry we didnt ask what about the huge multinational soda industry. Live trees are a domestic industry of small businesses. We CAN decide to help them if we wish. I think it is a good idea and I NEVER buy Christmas trees.

                          You are such useful idiot. Every post you make is preprogrammed Randinista propaganda, stupidity, and talking points.
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                          • Author by jamesB (November 11, 2011 4:21 pm ET)
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                            because you are a textbook example of an emotional liberal whose arguments are based on that. look at the way you stomp around here with your blustering foolishness, only to be laughed at by anyone with a brain. the govt has no business picking and choosing which businesses or industries to promote at the expense of their competitors. i know you and your other muppets haven't thought that through.
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                            • Author by highlyunlikely (November 11, 2011 4:23 pm ET)
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                              james thinks he's got a good thing going with the word "emotional" so he's going to keep using it until even he's sick of it.
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                            • Author by Imbecile (November 11, 2011 4:28 pm ET)
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                              jimmy, those of us who are familiar with kabniel's style recognize him as passionate, not emotional. You see, those two words have different meanings, but when exercised, are easily confused by the simple-minded, such as yourself.

                              It would really benefit you to ask your reading teacher for some tutoring.
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                              • Author by jamesB (November 11, 2011 4:36 pm ET)
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                                lol! you are so incredibly entertaining. "familiar" with his style? hysterical. "passionate". more hysterical. he is nothing but a snot nosed potty mouthed emotional train wreck who is overflowing with so much hatred for anyone who isn't a leftist wacko like he his, he can't contain himself or his posts - riddled with invective, grade school playground insults, and the same regurgitated nanny govt nonsense that i read here everyday. of course you're familiar with it, he's in your mudbox. enjoy!
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                                • Author by highlyunlikely (November 11, 2011 4:38 pm ET)
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                                  good, good. jimmy stays on OUR topic.
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                                • Author by Imbecile (November 11, 2011 4:42 pm ET)
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                                  lol! you are so incredibly entertaining. "familiar" with his style? hysterical. "passionate". more hysterical. he is nothing but a snot nosed potty mouthed emotional train wreck who is overflowing with so much hatred for anyone who isn't a leftist wacko like he his, he can't contain himself or his posts - riddled with invective, grade school playground insults, and the same regurgitated nanny govt nonsense that i read here everyday. of course you're familiar with it, he's in your mudbox. enjoy!


                                  I'll give you semi-props for stepping out of your box a bit with that post, but it's undone by your swing back to a seemingly angry guy.

                                  Now, why is it so easy for us to get a rise out of you?
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                                  • Author by highlyunlikely (November 11, 2011 4:45 pm ET)
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                                    it's easy because he really is an angry guy, I think. Which explains a lot about why he's here.

                                    Of course we do a good job of reaching that anger, to give us the credit we deserve.
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                                  • Author by jamesB (November 11, 2011 5:37 pm ET)
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                                    you keep telling yourself how angry i am and how smart you are, and then ask yourself why you keep doing it? start there pumpkin.
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                                    • Author by highlyunlikely (November 11, 2011 5:44 pm ET)
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                                      jimmy took a while to come up with that. Maybe he was in the bathroom coughing up all that phlegm he produces from spewing out garbage.

                                      oh, premise is flawed. No one asked anything like that.
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                                    • Author by kabniel (November 11, 2011 5:57 pm ET)
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                                      james

                                      you keep telling yourself how angry i am


                                      Personally I dont care how angry you are. I am interested in how STUPID you are. People as stupid and gullible as you are funny
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                                • Author by kabniel (November 11, 2011 4:49 pm ET)
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                                  james

                                  You are a LIAR. I have explained this before. I am one of the least emotional people you will ever meet. My wife is in stiches at this argument. This is a TACTIC. You are a punk. I treat you like a punk. You are not here to discuss you are here to heap contempt on us and I entertain myself by returning serve.

                                  I get you are too stupid to understand this. The grade school insults are all you deserve. It isnt as if you are making points. You spew cliched talking points and spray insults on the left. I spray them back at you. You are easy due to your intellectual inferiority but it is still somewhat amusing. I love to laugh at morons as stupid as you
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                            • Author by kabniel (November 11, 2011 4:39 pm ET)
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                              james

                              Because you are a LIAR too stupid to know what logic, reason or apparantly emotion is. Were you to ever MAKE a rational logical argument I would be happy to take it apart. Baseless assertions about what you were TOLD to think. As IF you were the one to decide what government has business doing and not doing is not an argument. It is the repitition of what you were TOLD to think. What governments role is as to promoting the general wellfare is a democratic decision and you LOST this argument long ago.

                              I dont think many thinking people laugh at me. A lot of them resent my directness, just slapping punks like you around and not even PRETENDING that you are here to do actual discussion. Since you are not.

                              You are a punk and a troll. Your first post was an attempt to derail the thread. You DONT make rational arguments and mostly try to tell us what WE think or what WE do. You are too stupid to understand us. You are too stupid to understand ice.

                              You dont know any such think. You only KNOW what Rush told you to think. You are too stupid to know what we think, do, or understand.
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                              • Author by highlyunlikely (November 11, 2011 4:42 pm ET)
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                                don't know about laughing at, but I sure enjoy laughing with you, kab.
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                                • Author by kabniel (November 11, 2011 4:50 pm ET)
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                                  I appreciate that highly. I enjoy your torturing of poor inadequate trolls too
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                              • Author by jamesB (November 11, 2011 4:55 pm ET)
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                                i agree, most people like imbecile and highlyunlikely don't laugh at you - you're in great company. not to worry though, i double over in laughter at your posts, they always say the same things.
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                                • Author by highlyunlikely (November 11, 2011 5:02 pm ET)
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                                  jimmy alternates the "lol" with claims of great amusement. As we know, that means he's having anything but fun.
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                                • Author by kabniel (November 11, 2011 5:04 pm ET)
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                                  james

                                  Of course they do. I appreciate that you are able to discern such an obvious tactic. This is because ALL of your posts are pretty much the same. Lame, cliched, Randinista dogma in the form of a talking point, mischaracterization of liberals or a liberal position vitriolic nonsense. Sometimes you vary by spewing out a Rush talking point but never any facts, insight, or actual original argument or cogent thought. I am sorry that you are too stupid to do or even understand actual rhetoric and debate. It would be fun to rip you to shreds outside of the gutter all your posts come from
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                            • Author by The_Cat (November 12, 2011 12:11 pm ET)
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                              the govt has no business picking and choosing which businesses or industries to promote at the expense of their competitors.

                              Ahhh, but this WASN'T the government's doing, jamesB. The live Christmas tree industry came to the government and ASKED THEM FOR HELP. And that's really why we have a government. You know, the whole commerce clause and all that?
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                        • Author by danielsangeo (November 11, 2011 4:55 pm ET)
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                          jamesB: Don't change the subject (again). This is about what live Christmas tree growers wanted.

                          And this is about the over-arching (fictional) theme perpetrated by the right wing that there is some sort of "War on Christmas".
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                          • Author by jamesB (November 11, 2011 4:57 pm ET)
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                            what if the big banks wanted to pay a .15 fee on every debit card transaction they process if the government created a task force to promote big banks and their services? would you be in favor of that? and who do you think will ultimately pay that?
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                            • Author by danielsangeo (November 11, 2011 4:58 pm ET)
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                              And you changed the subject AGAIN. Man, you cannot stay on point, can you?
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                              • Author by jamesB (November 11, 2011 4:59 pm ET)
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                                you can't answer yes or no?
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                                • Author by danielsangeo (November 11, 2011 5:00 pm ET)
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                                  It isn't the same thing and you know it. I'm not going down that rabbit hole again with you. Now, stay on topic or go away.
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                                  • Author by jamesB (November 11, 2011 5:04 pm ET)
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                                    how is it different?
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                                    • Author by danielsangeo (November 11, 2011 5:05 pm ET)
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                                      One is a bank account and one is a Christmas tree.
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                                      • Author by jamesB (November 11, 2011 5:14 pm ET)
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                                        i knew you couldn't answer. can anyone else?
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                                        • Author by danielsangeo (November 11, 2011 5:15 pm ET)
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                                          I did answer. You didn't understand the answer.
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                                        • Author by highlyunlikely (November 11, 2011 5:16 pm ET)
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                                          off the phone now at his actual job, jimmy pretends he still doesn't know the difference between "couldn't" and "refused to take the bait."
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                                        • Author by beDecent (November 11, 2011 6:14 pm ET)
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                                          The finance industry probably wouldn't get the task force if they requested it because 1) they have other fees they make plenty of revenue from and that's no secret, 2) they can (and have) been able to afford their own marketing just fine, 3) Christmas is but once a year, while of course the finance industry is not--much different task for the government to even consider, and 4) the finance industry is by no means struggling.
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                                • Author by kabniel (November 11, 2011 5:14 pm ET)
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                                  james

                                  you can't answer yes or no?


                                  Only people as stupid as YOU are fooled by this tactic. Have you stopped molesting small furry animals? Answer yes or no
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                                  • Author by jamesB (November 11, 2011 5:16 pm ET)
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                                    you all are such phonies, lol. you can't answer it and we know why.
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                                    • Author by highlyunlikely (November 11, 2011 5:20 pm ET)
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                                      there's that "can't" sh!!t again. Even he knows by now it doesn't work but he's mad the phone call at his actual job, the one he's supposed to be doing, interrupted his trolling here.
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                                    • Author by kabniel (November 11, 2011 5:27 pm ET)
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                                      james

                                      You are a LIAR. You were answered the fact you were too STUPID to understand the answer is not OUR problem
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                                      • Author by jamesB (November 11, 2011 5:28 pm ET)
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                                        no, you're a liar and a phony. if one of you liberals can explain to me why my big bank example is different from the tree growers, i will read. otherwise, you all failed. sorry.
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                                        • Author by highlyunlikely (November 11, 2011 5:31 pm ET)
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                                          excellent - he's so angry he forgot to "lol." Completely on our turf now, with an hour 30 til quitting, on a Friday, I almost feel that famous liberal pity for him. Maybe the boss - of his actual job, the one he's not doing when he comments - will let him off early.
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                                        • Author by danielsangeo (November 11, 2011 5:35 pm ET)
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                                          Dude, you don't know the difference between a bank account and a Christmas tree?
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                                          • Author by jamesB (November 11, 2011 5:44 pm ET)
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                                            it's an analogy, if that is above you, then stick with your answer. stop looking even stupider than you are. it might work. for the record, i knew you wouldn't answer it. maybe somebody with some integrity will.
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                                            • Author by kabniel (November 11, 2011 6:02 pm ET)
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                                              james

                                              Since I am feeling generous and since your mind numbing stupidity has been especially amusing today I will help you a bit. It is a shame that you are so stupid decision making processes must be explained to you but it is what it is.

                                              Not talking about mentally defective, people like yourself who can only see things in black and white, Manichean terms. Decisions made by normal people and groups of normal people are complex things having to do with many dynamics. Cost/benifit ratios, need, resulting benifits, conseqences. Which businesses get such help is a DEMOCRATIC DECISION based on just such a complex set of dynamics. If YOU are too stupid to get why Christmas tree growers fit the bill and huge multinational banks do not then you are just too stupid to be in this conversation
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                                              • Author by jamesB (November 11, 2011 6:07 pm ET)
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                                                you can't explain it other to say that it's a complex set of dynamics. please, your mumbo jumbo nonsense doesn't work on me, and you know it. there is no difference, none. except that you hate banks, that's why. you can always trip up an intellectually dishonest argument when you give them a near exact analogy and they refuse to answer except trot out the baloney you just did above. you failed. and i thought beneath that layer of potty mouthed insults their lived at least an honest liberal in you. i was wrong. you are a phony, as are all the other muppets who refused to answer. but i knew it before i even asked it.
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                                                • Author by highlyunlikely (November 11, 2011 6:08 pm ET)
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                                                  there's that "can't" again. jimmy simply can't get it out of his head.
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                                                • Author by kabniel (November 11, 2011 6:18 pm ET)
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                                                  james

                                                  See I only did it because I felt generous. I knew that an actual explanation would seem like mumbo jumbo to a mental defective such as yourself. Everything is concrete, black and white to morons like you. If anyone gets some help and everyone doesnt that seems a contradiction to you. It isnt but you are too stupid to understand complexities.

                                                  Cost benifit analysis, how much will it promote the general wellfare as opposed to how much it will cost is mumbo jumbo to morons like you.

                                                  See that was an explanation as to why you would be too stupid to understand and boy you didnt disappoint. You immediatly jumped in to show, why yes you ARE far too stupid to understand. I could make it even clearer but that was enough for a rational adult and it is beyond my capability to dumb it down to a level someone as stupid as you could understand so I wont waste anymore of my time. You are hilarious. Your stupidity is EPIC.

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                                            • Author by danielsangeo (November 11, 2011 6:11 pm ET)
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                                              No, it's not an analogy. It's a false equivocation. I suggest further education if you don't know why.
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                                        • Author by kabniel (November 11, 2011 5:39 pm ET)
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                                          james

                                          You are a LIAR. We answered. You are too stupid to understand that answer. Sucks to be you
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                                  • Author by highlyunlikely (November 11, 2011 5:16 pm ET)
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                                    and if he doesn't it's because he can't, not won't.
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                            • Author by kabniel (November 11, 2011 5:07 pm ET)
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                              james

                              My GOD but you are stupid. See citizens are not as stupid as you. What sort of business gets this kind of government help is a DEMOCRATIC decision. YOU might be stupid enough and gullible enough to think the big banks need such help but no rational adult could be convinced
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                              • Author by jamesB (November 11, 2011 5:14 pm ET)
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                                so it's done on a need basis?
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                                • Author by kabniel (November 11, 2011 5:29 pm ET)
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                                  james

                                  so it's done on a need basis?


                                  So you are going with the asking an inane question to show you are too stupid to understand the concept ploy?
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                            • Author by The_Cat (November 13, 2011 9:16 pm ET)
                                 
                              what if the big banks wanted to pay a .15 fee on every debit card transaction they process if the government created a task force to promote big banks and their services? would you be in favor of that? and who do you think will ultimately pay that?

                              The government would look at the situation, realize the big banks didn't need help, and say no, jamesB. Easy enough, eh?
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                          • Author by jamesB (November 11, 2011 4:59 pm ET)
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                            and for the record, there is no war on christmas, that is a fox news created bunch of baloney that they trot out every year. mmfa is exactly right and has been reporting on it for years. but the tree tax is not a war on anything, it's just a stupid idea.
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                            • Author by highlyunlikely (November 11, 2011 5:01 pm ET)
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                              there goes that conciliation followed by contrariness again.
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                            • Author by danielsangeo (November 11, 2011 5:06 pm ET)
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                              james: The government has been doing this FOR YEARS. Why are you so against it all of the sudden?
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                              • Author by highlyunlikely (November 11, 2011 5:13 pm ET)
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                                huh. jimmy's on the phone right now, which rang at his actual job from which he's been stealing time to be here. When he finally hangs up he'll be back to insist he's always been against the fee.
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                              • Author by jamesB (November 11, 2011 5:15 pm ET)
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                                and it's time they stop
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                                • Author by danielsangeo (November 11, 2011 5:16 pm ET)
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                                  So, you're going to demand that Christmas tree growers be denied from using a government entity that is there to do this very thing?

                                  Here it is, folks! jamesB is for government regulation on business.
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                                • Author by highlyunlikely (November 11, 2011 5:18 pm ET)
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                                  jimmy fails to take into consideration that the page stops indenting at a certain point. Thus the seeming non-sequitur.
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                                • Author by kabniel (November 11, 2011 5:32 pm ET)
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                                  james

                                  and it's time they stop


                                  We already knew what incredibly stupid Randinistas like you have been brainwashed to think. Rational adults disagree and this is a democratic decision. We would have to be as stupid as you are to let brainwashed Randinista morons like you make decisions like this for our country
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                            • Author by kabniel (November 11, 2011 5:08 pm ET)
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                              james

                              I think people as stupid as you voting is a bad idea. I am betting you disagree.
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                        • Author by motorcity (November 11, 2011 5:10 pm ET)
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                          lol! what about the fake christmas tree manufacturers?

                          Tommy can't understand why the US Dept. of Agriculture would want to promote agriculture. Or maybe he thinks artificial trees grow on trees. omg lol!
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                    • Author by heehee..santorum (November 11, 2011 3:58 pm ET)
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                      jamesB: what little guy? (Napoleon complex as well)
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                  • Author by danielsangeo (November 11, 2011 2:57 pm ET)
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                    Yep. They hate it when a business asks for help from the government to help advertise their business due to lagging sales because the government has the unmitigated GALL to charge them for the marketing. Government unter alles.
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                    • Author by motorcity (November 11, 2011 3:32 pm ET)
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                      Yeah, especially when they're trying to compete with artificial trees made by government subsidized Chinese manufacturers and sold by big box chain stores with multi million dollar advertising budgets. The nerve!
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                      • Author by Imbecile (November 11, 2011 4:13 pm ET)
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                        You're back! How was your nap, jimmy?
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                      • Author by kabniel (November 11, 2011 4:22 pm ET)
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                        james

                        You are so stupid you cannot possibly be a judge of who has a clue. You couldnt buy one you could understand at a clue market. Rush tells you what to think and you are so stupid and brainwashed you think what he tells you is all you need to know
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                      • Author by motorcity (November 11, 2011 4:33 pm ET)
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                        Why not? Dairy, cotton, cattle and pig farmers have done this in the past without a peep from anyone on the right. Would you prefer they go to some Madison Avenue ad firm and double the price of a tree?

                        Tommy hates it when the gov't does something more cost effectively than the private sector.
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                        • Author by jamesB (November 11, 2011 4:36 pm ET)
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                          not me. i am not for any of it. so try someone who is.
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                          • Author by motorcity (November 11, 2011 4:54 pm ET)
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                            You're not for what? Government? Fine, move to a country that doesn't have any. There are several around the planet to choose from. Most of us enjoy our standard of living here, and we'd prefer you not wreck it just because you've got a burr up your ass.
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                      • Author by danielsangeo (November 11, 2011 5:42 pm ET)
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                        No, james. We know. We just don't jump through your hoops because you have a complete inability or unwillingness to learn or stay on topic.
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                    • Author by jamesB (November 11, 2011 4:11 pm ET)
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                      They hate it when a business asks for help from the government to help advertise their business

                      omg! that is all one needs to know to understand why you have no clue.
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                • Author by kabniel (November 11, 2011 3:02 pm ET)
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                  james

                  Sure we do. It is just you were too stupid to understand it yesterday and we dont think you got any smarter overnight. Try to remember how stupid you are. The fact you cant understand something isnt any indication it doesnt make perfect sense. You are after all a moron
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            • Author by chazmanr (November 11, 2011 3:43 pm ET)
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              James you ignorant Fixed-News s1ut. You know from the go-round on this yesterday that the tree growers association asked for this fee to cover the costs of promoting the purchase of live trees.
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            • Author by The_Cat (November 12, 2011 12:08 pm ET)
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              perhaps you can tell me why this tax force is something we need, and ultimately what fresh christmas tree buyers will pay for?


              I suppose if I reminded you that the live Christmas tree industry ASKED FOR this 15 cent fee to help promote their industry you'd dodge that, eh jamesB?
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      • Author by pete592 (November 11, 2011 2:49 pm ET)
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        "fox's war on christmas stupidity is only exceeded by the creation of some needless nonsense christmas tree task force."
        Wouldn't the best judge of the necessity of such a task force would be the growers themselves? Has anyone in the "liberal media" bothered to find out what they think of it?
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        • Author by pete592 (November 11, 2011 2:50 pm ET)
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          I love me some "would"
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        • Author by pete592 (November 11, 2011 2:54 pm ET)
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          Chicago Tribune: "We have good reason to believe it will be successful for our industry," Betty Malone, an Oregon tree farmer and president of Christmas Tree Promotion Now, said in a telephone interview Tuesday. "We looked at what other industries have done, and how successful they've been."

          After three years, growers and importers will vote on whether to continue the program.
          Woah! How about that, James? Democracy will be the ultimate judge!

          Why do you hate democracy? </snark>
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          • Author by jamesB (November 11, 2011 2:56 pm ET)
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            of course it will be successful, free govt funded task force to promote their business. every industry should be so lucky.
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            • Author by pete592 (November 11, 2011 2:57 pm ET)
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              Uh... But it's not free. It's a 15-cent tax on each tree.

              Dude, seriously, get informed.
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              • Author by jamesB (November 11, 2011 4:11 pm ET)
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                and who will pay the fee/tax dude?
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                • Author by kabniel (November 11, 2011 4:25 pm ET)
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                  james

                  It is tedious trying to explain anything to morons as stupid as you. Who usually pays the costs of advertising? The truth is sometimes it is passed on. Other times they absorb the cost when the revenue due to increased sales makes up for the cost. This is simple enough that any rational adult shouldnt need it explained to them.

                  You are incapable of independent thought. You are incapable of thinking outside the Randinista brainwashing you have been programmed with
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                  • Author by jamesB (November 11, 2011 4:26 pm ET)
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                    this isn't advertising you moron. this is a govt fee/tax. when you figure out the difference, come back.
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                    • Author by highlyunlikely (November 11, 2011 4:29 pm ET)
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                      this is what happens when you venture into content territory. Though it may be your preference keep in mind it's jimmy's as well.
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                    • Author by kabniel (November 11, 2011 4:42 pm ET)
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                      james

                      It is nice of you to show once again that you are too stupid to understand the concept being discussed. If you ever catch up have the decency to be humiliated by how stupid you are.

                      I would explain what this is but the TOPIC you are desperatly trying to derail us from discussing is the phony war on Christmas. The on that isnt happening. Much like higher brain function is not and never will happen inside that cesspool you have in place of a brain.
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                    • Author by danielsangeo (November 11, 2011 4:42 pm ET)
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                      So, you want the government to advertise for free?

                      You really are a moron.
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                      • Author by jamesB (November 11, 2011 4:46 pm ET)
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                        this is not advertising, do you not understand that?
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                      • Author by jamesB (November 11, 2011 4:48 pm ET)
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                        oh spare me, another liberal who has no intelligent argument so they push the myth that i am derailing the topic when discussing the actual issue. you are a phony. especially when you tacitly encourage another fellow moron who tells you this "this is what happens when you venture into content territory".
                        who is more interested in derailing the thread away from content. if you had a shred of honesty you'd answer that truthfully.
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                        • Author by Imbecile (November 11, 2011 4:49 pm ET)
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                          oh spare me, another liberal who has no intelligent argument so they push the myth that i am derailing the topic when discussing the actual issue.


                          What's the headline on this story, jimmy?
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                        • Author by Imbecile (November 11, 2011 4:48 pm ET)
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                          this is not advertising, do you not understand that?


                          Just out of curiosity, jimmy, if someone is promoting something, what do you think they're doing?

                          This is a semantic question. I ask it because I'm fascinated by your seemingly complete lack of word knowledge.
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                          • Author by jamesB (November 11, 2011 4:53 pm ET)
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                            this is right under the headline, did you not get that far?
                            This week, the right-wing media began its annual fake "War on Christmas" campaign, freaking out about a bogus Obama "Christmas tree tax." Here's what to expect from right-wing media during the next six weeks.
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                            • Author by kabniel (November 11, 2011 4:57 pm ET)
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                              james

                              Your basic lack of understanding is precious. Yes, as ONE example, others are given of the phony war on Christmas.
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                              • Author by highlyunlikely (November 11, 2011 4:59 pm ET)
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                                uh oh, you mean jimmy doesn't know the difference between topic and example? Bet he doesn't know the difference between reason and excuse either.
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                            • Author by Imbecile (November 11, 2011 5:03 pm ET)
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                              this is right under the headline, did you not get that far?


                              I'm going to assume that you ignoring the whole "schools ban christmas colors" and "the NBA's war on christmas" and Bill O'Reilly's claim that standing up for christmas makes "them" come after you, and all the other details used to support the headline is just an oversight on your part and not indicative of your dishonest attempt to make this article about only the christmas tree tax.

                              Right?
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                        • Author by highlyunlikely (November 11, 2011 4:51 pm ET)
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                          there's that "so" construction again, always followed by an absurd conclusion. jimmy can't honestly not realize by now that his pleas for returning to his turf are falling on deliberately deaf ears.
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                        • Author by kabniel (November 11, 2011 4:54 pm ET)
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                          james

                          You are a LIAR. You are derailing the topic. That being the phony war on Christmas. When will you get that we are not as stupid as you are and just believe anything we are told?

                          You are too stupid to discuss content when you tried on THIS topic on the other thread we took you apart. All you did was repeat endlessly the talking points you were brainwashed with and that we have seen dozens of times before.
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                          • Author by highlyunlikely (November 11, 2011 4:57 pm ET)
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                            I dunno. Maybe he's not smart enough to get that we are. Scratch that "maybe."
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                          • Author by jonimacaroni1 (November 12, 2011 12:13 pm ET)
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                            Yeah, but he's ALSO derailing the topic with this discussion about HIM!

                            The solution is to stop following him down that path.

                            Stop replying to him over and over again. It's not possible to expect people to ignore him entirely. That's why the solution is to point out that he's behaving trollishly, and everyone else should ignore his posts thereafter.
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                        • Author by kabniel (November 11, 2011 4:55 pm ET)
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                          james

                          GOD but you are stupid but at least you are right this time, inadvertantly of course, it is about the phony war on Christmas.
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                        • Author by danielsangeo (November 11, 2011 5:02 pm ET)
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                          Yes, it is advertising. Do you not understand that?
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                          • Author by highlyunlikely (November 11, 2011 5:05 pm ET)
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                            whether or not jimmy understands, he certainly is going to pretend not to as long as it gives him mileage.
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                    • Author by jonimacaroni1 (November 12, 2011 12:10 pm ET)
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                      It's money that will pay for advertising, you dolt!
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                • Author by danielsangeo (November 11, 2011 4:41 pm ET)
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                  The growers. Duh!
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                • Author by pete592 (November 11, 2011 5:03 pm ET)
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                  "and who will pay the fee/tax dude? "
                  It likely depends on the business decisions of growers and the vendors. Some may opt to absorb it out of the notion that they'll be more competitive and will move more product than those who opt to pass it on by raising their prices. You'll have to ask all of the growers and vendors to see what their strategy will be.
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            • Author by kabniel (November 11, 2011 3:04 pm ET)
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              james

              You are a liar and too stupid to understand the concept. You keep using the word free. I dont think that word means what you think it means.
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              • Author by danielsangeo (November 11, 2011 3:10 pm ET)
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                james thinks (hah!) it's a winning strategy. He somehow thinks (hah! again) that we don't know that the fee would be passed down to the consumer (how much of the fee would be passed down is something he will not answer). What he doesn't mention is that marketing also is passed to the consumer and is part of the price we pay.

                james is attacking business decisions.
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                • Author by jonimacaroni1 (November 11, 2011 3:59 pm ET)
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                  Of course - all advertising is eventually paid for by the consumer!

                  He has no substance to his argument. None.
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        • Author by jamesB (November 11, 2011 2:54 pm ET)
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          if they want to form their own task force to promote christmas tree sales, fine. i see no reason to involve the govt whatsoever in any of this. and this fee/tax will just be passed on to the consumers, for what? so a bunch of men/women can sit on some task force and promote their own business while their customers pay some hidden fee/tax to support it? it's ridiculous on any level. it isn't the .15, that is not the point. and why can't manufacturers of fake trees get the same task force, why are they less worthy of this than fresh tree growers?
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          • Author by highlyunlikely (November 11, 2011 3:01 pm ET)
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            we do know that james doesn't really work for some con factory, don't we? That was a joke we were all in on I hope. What's actually the case is james is stealing time from his real employer (during down time) which, when you think about it, is even worse.

            Sitting at a desk waiting for the phone to ring, or the paper work slows, or whatever it is, james compensates for the tediousness by rabble-rousing.
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          • Author by danielsangeo (November 11, 2011 3:01 pm ET)
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            i see no reason to involve the govt whatsoever in any of this.


            So, how do you propose stopping a business decision to use a legal tool to promote their business?
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          • Author by Imbecile (November 11, 2011 3:05 pm ET)
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            Hey, jimmy, the topic of this article is "The Fake 'War On Christmas' Campaign Begins";

            It isn't, oh-my-christmas-tree-task-force-I-win-yay!

            Try to focus on the topic, if you're capable.
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            • Author by highlyunlikely (November 11, 2011 3:06 pm ET)
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              It isn't, oh-my-christmas-tree-task-force-I-win-yay!


              really, yet in one of his comments he made that very claim.
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              • Author by Imbecile (November 11, 2011 3:33 pm ET)
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                Looks like it's jimmy's afternoon nap time.
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                • Author by highlyunlikely (November 11, 2011 3:37 pm ET)
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                  excuse me for getting all serious on you, but I figure it's either a busy time at his actual job or lunch hour, depending on the time zone he's in. (If we cared to, we could keep track of the length of time to get a better idea.) Whatever it is, this is the time he's consistently gone.
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                  • Author by Imbecile (November 11, 2011 4:00 pm ET)
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                    I like to think it's the time we've caused a gasket to blow and he has to rejuvenate for awhile.

                    Of course, your explanation is probably more likely.
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                    • Author by highlyunlikely (November 11, 2011 4:02 pm ET)
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                      he stopped at exactly 3pE today. Let's see if he's about to return now that it's been an hour.
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                      • Author by Imbecile (November 11, 2011 4:12 pm ET)
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                        He needs his cookies and juicebox, first.
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                        • Author by jamesB (November 11, 2011 4:14 pm ET)
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                          how many posts have you used to derail this thread devoted to > ME? count them pardner. you all are a trip, if the moderators are ok with it, it's cool by me.
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                    • Author by jamesB (November 11, 2011 4:12 pm ET)
                      3 4
                      you all have such fun obsessing and talking about me that i like to sit back and just watch. you really can't see how pathetic you all are, i mean really? lol
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                      • Author by highlyunlikely (November 11, 2011 4:17 pm ET)
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                        it is impossible to disabuse jimmy of that "obsession" talking point. And if he's trying to imply that the exactly one hour he disappeared was spent simply observing, he's an even worse salesman than I realized.
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                        • Author by Imbecile (November 11, 2011 4:23 pm ET)
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                          it is impossible to disabuse jimmy of that "obsession" talking point. And if he's trying to imply that the exactly one hour he disappeared was spent simply observing, he's an even worse salesman than I realized.


                          It's just one of the few talking points he has in his mini tool kit.

                          Another one I've noticed is that he starts off all angry and emotional, then when he returns from his afternoon nap, he's morphed into the "lol you libs are so emotional".

                          It's as if he's cranky right before his naptime, and then forgets how angry and emotional he was right before naptime when he accuses us of being emotional.
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                          • Author by jamesB (November 11, 2011 4:25 pm ET)
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                            lol! if it's in your best interest to believe you're arguing with a 10 year old, we both know why that is too. so you go with that, it makes you feel superior. you can feel 12 or 13. thumbs up!
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                            • Author by highlyunlikely (November 11, 2011 4:28 pm ET)
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                              lol, which he rotates using, indicates his defense mechanism against not having much fun at all. Meanwhile, he's fully on our turf now, where he will mostly stay for the duration.
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                            • Author by Imbecile (November 11, 2011 4:37 pm ET)
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                              lol! if it's in your best interest to believe you're arguing with a 10 year old, we both know why that is too. so you go with that, it makes you feel superior. you can feel 12 or 13. thumbs up!


                              If using the logic of 12- or 13-year olds is all it takes to confound you, well, then, I guess that kind of speaks for itself, doesn't it?
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                            • Author by kabniel (November 11, 2011 4:44 pm ET)
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                              james

                              Well you really would be pretty stupid compared to most ten year olds. Maybe six
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                      • Author by Imbecile (November 11, 2011 4:17 pm ET)
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                        you all have such fun obsessing and talking about me that i like to sit back and just watch. you really can't see how pathetic you all are, i mean really? lol


                        For someone who loves to try and bait people, you're fairly reliable when it comes to biting at pretty much anything we dangle in front of you.
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                        • Author by highlyunlikely (November 11, 2011 4:18 pm ET)
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                          Really. That one EXACT hour he was gone was enough to throw him off his game.
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                        • Author by jamesB (November 11, 2011 4:23 pm ET)
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                          but you say i get paid by the post, so who is the real idiot? :)
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                          • Author by highlyunlikely (November 11, 2011 4:26 pm ET)
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                            james hasn't come upon the strings yet where we agree he's actually stealing time from his real employer, where he takes lunch from 3-4E and leaves just before 7. Adjusting for a more normal schedule, I'm guessing Mountain but who knows? It depends upon the business (where he's cheating his employer).
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                          • Author by Imbecile (November 11, 2011 4:38 pm ET)
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                            but you say i get paid by the post, so who is the real idiot?


                            Was that rhetorical? Because the answer is always, "jimmy".

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                      • Author by kabniel (November 11, 2011 4:29 pm ET)
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                        james

                        You are fun to slap around. Your abject stupidity is an irresistable target. Think of how a cat plays with a mouse before ending his misery. You have only amusement value. You are so stupid you even suck at being a troll. There is no one to even TRY to defend the stupid war on Christmas thing and the obvious points about it being ludicrous were made long ago so punking you mercilessly is pure entertainment
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                        • Author by highlyunlikely (November 11, 2011 4:34 pm ET)
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                          ugh. Our cats left a mangled bird on our bedroom floor last week. Couldn't tell what it was until I got close. We wondered what all the flying through the house and yipping was during the night.
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                          • Author by The_Cat (November 12, 2011 12:22 pm ET)
                               
                            Well, they were just trying to contribute to the family, highlyunlikely. Doing their part to chip on the whole food issue, plus ridding the house of a flying pest.

                            >^o.-^<
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                        • Author by pete592 (November 11, 2011 5:41 pm ET)
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                          You know what? <sigh>... Never mind. Carry on. Have your fun.
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          • Author by kabniel (November 11, 2011 3:06 pm ET)
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            james

            I dont CARE what a very stupid and very brainwashed Randinista like you thinks goverment should or shouldnt do. I dont care how desperate you are to change the subject and derail the thread. You are a troll. The whole concept of a war on Christmas is dishonest and stupid and THAT is the topic.
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          • Author by pete592 (November 11, 2011 5:10 pm ET)
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            "why can't manufacturers of fake trees get the same task force, why are they less worthy of this than fresh tree growers? "
            Rather obvious to me...

            Fake Christmas trees bought and sold in the USA are predominantly imported from sweatshops in Asia.

            Real Christmas trees bought and sold in the USA are predominantly grown in the USA.

            Why do you hate Americans who work hard to produce a homegrown product and bring it to market? </snark redux>
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          • Author by The_Cat (November 12, 2011 12:20 pm ET)
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            and why can't manufacturers of fake trees get the same task force, why are they less worthy of this than fresh tree growers?

            This is just a guess on my part, jamesB, but I'm willing to bet that the Department of Agriculture really doesn't have that much to do with fake tree manufacturers. The live tree growers, on the other hand, would fall directly within the Dept of Ag's purview.
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      • Author by highlyunlikely (November 11, 2011 2:51 pm ET)
        5  
        james does the false equivalence because he can't quite bring himself to post in the conciliatory style without a cheap shot at the end.
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      • Author by kabniel (November 11, 2011 2:53 pm ET)
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        james

        Your single minded stupidity is surpassed only by how incredibly brainwashed you are. Why dont you STFU till you grow your own brain?
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    • Author by politeradical (November 11, 2011 2:20 pm ET)
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      Maybe if we ask nicely, either Battlefied or Call of Duty will release a "Lou Dobbs expansion pack" so we can take Santa and those pesky reindeer out.

      I mean look at Santa. Dressed head to toe in red. And Rudolph with the glowing red nose. Where do you think that nose leads him? Ill tell you where it leads: Marx's resting place that's where!

      And the gifts, where do they come from? Elves? Please, they were taken from rich children! Toy redistribution!!!

      Egads I started this post with good natured snark then took a veering turn into Beck loony tune land.

      Yikes.
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    • Author by nerzog (November 11, 2011 2:35 pm ET)
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      The most hilarious little nugget in the parade of Troglodyte insanity above is that Bill O'Reilly refers to Mao, Hitler and Stalin as "Progressives".
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    • Author by pete592 (November 11, 2011 2:45 pm ET)
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      If we of the left are waging a war on Christmas, then we clearly suck at waging war.
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      • Author by politeradical (November 11, 2011 2:56 pm ET)
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        I say that every time some idiot spouts off about a leftist conspiracy to redistribute the worlds wealth, push a gay agenda (whatever that even means), tear down Christmas, destroy the US or its blessed engine of divine capitalism.

        None of these things EVER happen, we must really suck at waging wars.

        Soros needs to get in gear!
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    • Author by politeradical (November 11, 2011 3:13 pm ET)
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      *clears throats and affects evil tone*

      First it was your tax money, confiscated illegally before the sweat on your back e en dried...

      Then it was your guns snatched from your patriotic hands by brown shirted, jack booted thugs, flying black FEMA helicopters under the cover of night...

      Now el Jefe, comrade Obama is comin' fer your Christmas tree....

      MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA *cough cough cough*

      No good?

      How about "then they came for my tree, but I said nothing because I wasn't pagan...?"
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    • Author by chazmanr (November 11, 2011 3:22 pm ET)
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      Christmas Tree Fee "Target[s] One Religion And One Religion Only -- Christianity.



      Does that mean if I show my atheist club membership card to the tree dealer, I don't have to pay the tax when I buy my tree? And my Jewish stepfather will be glad to hear that he won't have to pay the tax either when he buys the tree for my mom this year.
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    • Author by magnolialover (November 11, 2011 4:35 pm ET)
      5  
      jamesb...

      This is really easy.

      You don't want to pay the tax, don't buy a freakin' Christmas tree. It's really that pure and simple.

      On the other hand, this article isn't about the tax, it is about the fake war on Christmas, as in, Obama hates Christmas because of this tax.
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      • Author by highlyunlikely (November 11, 2011 4:37 pm ET)
        3  
        yes, he was trying to change the subject, the same guy who tries to goad us into staying on topic.
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      • Author by chazmanr (November 11, 2011 5:02 pm ET)
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        But James feels that his right to live in a society without paying for any of the benefits of doing so are being impinged by having to pay what would amount to a roughly 0.25% tax (if it were a tax) on a $60 tree (less than the going price for a nice 7 footer in a major city).

        And that 15 cents will prevent him from practicing his pagan tradition.
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    • Author by captaincrunch (November 11, 2011 6:28 pm ET)
      1  
      Kilmeade Declared Change Of Name For Tulsa Holiday Parade A "Topic Of National Controversy."

      The only contoversy is how Kilmeade maintains a presence on a 'news' broadcast with an IQ far south of boiled broccoli!
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