Right-Wing Media Machine Closes Out 2011 With Attacks On Girl Scouts Of America
The right-wing media closed out 2011 by attacking the Girl Scouts of America for, in the words of Glenn Beck website The Blaze, publishing a book that "refers young readers to Media Matters for America as one of the primary sources for debunking lies and deceit." Fox News led the charge, devoting more than 15 minutes over two days and three programs to the GSA's "liberal ideology," including its purported ties to Planned Parenthood.
Beck Website: "Girl Scouts Book Refers Readers To Liberal Group Media Matters"
The Blaze: Media Matters Reference Is "A Form Of Misinformation, Bias -- Potentially Even Indoctrination." On December 27, Glenn Beck website The Blaze reported:
In 2010, the Girl Scouts of the USA published a book called "MEdia." The publication, designed for girls in grades six through eight, is a guide that apparently offers insight into how young people should process and understand the media messages surrounding them.
Considering the pervasive nature of popular media, this seems like a viable tool. However, there's a problem -- the book refers young readers to Media Matters for America as one of the primary sources for debunking lies and deceit. [...]
The Blaze called the Girl Scouts on Dec. 13 to ask about the book. Spokesperson Michelle Tompkins seemed very familiar with the controversy over the inclusion of Media Matters and said that the organization is re-printing the book this month.
During a follow-up call, Tompkins pledged to answer some e-mail questions we sent over. These particular questions sought answers about how Media Matters came to be placed in the book, who wrote the page that the reference appears on and what group, if any, will replace Media Matters once the new publications are released. To date, we have received no response despite a follow-up voicemail and e-mails.
This story was originally brought to us by Christy Volanski, a concerned parent and a former Girl Scouts leader. Her daughter, Sydney, a 15-year-old who served as a Girl Scout for eight years, left the organization in 2010 after she found that it embraces some controversial stances. Now, Sydney co-edits "Speak Now: Girl Scouts Website," which provides plenty of other examples of what some may see as liberal bias.
Perhaps the Girl Scouts staffers were too busy to respond to us, but considering the fact that the Media Matters reference is, in itself, a form of misinformation, bias -- potentially even indoctrination -- we assumed that the book would no longer be on the market. But we were wrong. [TheBlaze.com, 12/27/11]
Fox News Trumpets Story, Highlights MMFA's "Agenda" To "Destroy Fox News"
Fox & Friends Hosts Attack Media Matters' "Agenda"; Criticize GSA For "Steering Kids The Wrong Way," Alleged "Liberal Bias." In a December 28 segment, Fox & Friends hosts criticized GSA for giving "bad information" by not directing girls to a "non-partisan, objective group," and suggested the Scouts have a "liberal bias" because "the Girl Scouts printed materials refer girls to planned important hood and other pro-abortion groups":
ALISYN CAMEROTA (CO-HOST): The controversial part is they direct girls to Media Matters. Well Media Matters is the group that you've probably heard about on this program that is not nonpartisan. In fact they have an agenda and one of their stated agendas is to destroy Fox News. So the fact that the Girl Scouts are being directed in this guide to sort through the media to Media Matters is very curious because there are nonpartisan, objective groups that also do fact checking that they could have been directed to instead of Media Matters.
STEVE DOOCY (CO-HOST): Right, and it is curious they would direct people, young kids to Media Matters, which is funded in part by George Soros, and you know his history. The publication The Blaze which is also a blog contacted the Girl Scouts and said, "Did you know you are sending kids over to Media Matters which is a lefty blog out there?" And they go, "yeah, we know. And by the way, we are going to reprint the book." Well, will that be in the new book? That blog, the Blaze, has not heard an answer whether or not that bad information about a site that is clearly with an agenda is going to be in the new book because it's steering kids the wrong way. [...]
DOOCY: And this came to the attention of some people because a 15-year-old Girl Scout had been doing some research and she realized there were a number of different agenda items that she felt that showed a liberal bias to the Girl Scouts. And so she started her own blog, and one of the things on her thing, according to her, is did you know the girl scouts printed materials, refer girls to Planned Parenthood and other pro-abortion groups? So in the course of doing her research, she found the Media Matters thing and the rest is history. [Fox News, Fox & Friends, 12/28/11]
Fox & Friends Hosts Say It Is "Laughable" To Call Media Matters "Fair," Attack GSA's "Lefty Point Of View." From a second December 28 Fox & Friends segment:
CLAYTON MORRIS (CO-HOST): The book is called "MEdia" and it's handed out to those group of girls from I think the sixth grade up to eighth grade age range and it sends them to Media Matters, the website Media Matters, to get more information about lies, they say, or distortions that may be out there in the Media. Turns out, we know one of the most recent campaigns was going after Fox News Channel. It's also money coming from George Soros and others. So the notion that this is a--
DOOCY: Fair.
MORRIS: Nonpartisan or fair group is laughable.
DOOCY: Absolutely. I mean, it's fair if you're on the left and perhaps that is perhaps the two authors who wrote this particular book have a lefty point of view and maybe they do. But then for them to say, "hey, girls out there, if you want to know what's real, go to this lefty web site," that's just crazy. There is a story out there that apparently 15-year-old girl last year dropped out of the Girl Scouts because she looked at some of the policies and realized that in her estimation, the Girl Scouts in some ways embrace a lefty point of view, a liberal bias. [Fox News, Fox & Friends, 12/28/11]
For more Fox attacks on Media Matters, click here.
Right-Wing Blogosphere Pick Up Attacks, Promotes Girl Scout Cookie Boycott
CNN Contributor And Big Journalism Editor Loesch Criticizes "Ongoing Moral Decline" Of GSA, Suggests Cookie Boycott. In a December 28 post, Loesch embedded a Fox & Friends segment and stated:
Think twice before buying Girl Scout cookies next year. Fox and Friends discussed how the Girl Scouts of America is now promoting Media Matters, in addition to its affiliation with Planned Parenthood (more). [...]
By promoting Media Matters for America as a credible website, the Girl Scouts are endorsing the site's unethical practices and stances.
The ongoing moral decline of the Girl Scouts has caused an exodus within its ranks and a decline in its formerly popular cookie sales. The absence of such a group has sparked the creation of others to take its place, most notable among them: the American Heritage Girls and the Frontier Girls.
Next year, when the green sashes come by your home and ask you to buy cookies to help support their organization, know why your answer will be "no, thanks." [BigJournalism.com, 12/28/11]
Jawa Report: "I Guess I've Bought My Last Box Of Thin Mints." On December 29, Jawa Report reported:
A publication for the Girl Scouts of the USA is promoting the blatantly biased website 'Media Matters' as a source to clear up media disinformation. For those who aren't familiar with 'Media Matters,' the website dedicates all it's resources to misinforming the public about conservative media, especially Fox News.
I guess I've bought my last box of Thin Mints. [The Jawa Report, 12/29/11]
Ace of Spades Highlights "Odd Inclusion" Of Media Matters By GSA. On December 28, Ace of Spades' Ace wrote:
Girl Scouts Now Promoting Media Matters As Reliable Site To Clear Up "Misinformation"
The long march through the institutions.
Media Matters? Honestly?
In 2010, the Girl Scouts of the USA published a book called "MEdia." The publication, designed for girls in grades six through eight, is a guide that apparently offers insight into how young people should process and understand the media messages surrounding them.
And if you read something that strikes you as dubious, don't just accept it uncritically; make sure you check out an unbiased, straight-shooting source. [...]
The Girl Scouts are aware of this odd inclusion, but are apparently re-printing the book for further distribution -- Media Matters still cited as a legitimate source. [Ace of Spades, 12/28/11, emphasis original]
GSA Announces They Will Remove MMFA Reference In Face Of "Controversy"
Girl Scouts Statement: "Upcoming Reprints" Of Book "Will Not Include Links To Media Matters." On December 28, right-wing website The Daily Caller reported:
In a statement to The Daily Caller, Girl Scouts of the USA confirmed on Wednesday that its literature will no longer refer scouts to Media Matters For America as a source of information to balance bias in news reporting.
"Girl Scouts constantly reviews our materials based on feedback and suggestions we receive from our members and we update our materials on a regular basis," said the statement. "As a result of this process, upcoming reprints of journeys materials will not include links to Media Matters."
The book in question, titled "MEdia," currently advises Girl Scouts that "Media Matters for America (http://mediamatters.org) gets the word out about media misinformation." [Daily Caller, 12/28/11]
Fox News Doubles Down With Nearly 12 Minutes Attacking GSA's "Liberal Ideology"
Fox & Friends Hosts "Former Girl Scout" To Attack Media Matters Reference As Example Of "Liberal Ideology" Of Girl Scouts. During the December 29 edition of Fox & Friends, the hosts interviewed Sydney Volansky, the former Girl Scout and co-editor of the website Speak Now: Girl Scouts referenced in The Blaze:
DOOCY: I understand your family and some other families started noticing kind of what you would feel is a liberal agenda in the national Girl Scouts organization, and when you saw that book, it was suggesting if you want to know what's really going on in the media, go to Media Matters, which is clearly a left blog, you said that's just not going to stand, right?
VOLANSKY: Yes. My sister and I started a website to help inform families of the more leftward leanings of Girl Scouts because they promise to be neutral politically and about certain social issues, but when you examine the women they promote and the websites and books that they refer girls to, there is a clear liberal ideology, like with the Media Matters site. [Fox News, Fox & Friends, 12/29/11]
Fox & Friends Amplifies Volansky's Attacks On GSA's Alleged "Lack Of Neutrality," "Real Motives," Ties To Planned Parenthood. From the Fox & Friends interview with Volansky:
CAMEROTA: And you were a Girl Scout for eight years, you were a proud Girl Scout. You say it was a huge part of your life. But then because you started seeing these incidents of lack of neutrality you started the website called speaknowgirlscouts.com. What are you trying to accomplish with that?
VOLANSKY: With Speak Now: girl scouts, we are just trying to spread awareness to families because we were so deceived for eight years we were in Girl Scouts. We didn't realize that Girl Scouts was promoting such a liberal ideology. And so we really just want to help families to understand Girl Scouts' real motives and what they are really promoting.
DOOCY: In particular at the national level, we've got a sound bite from 2004, the woman who runs the Girl Scouts, Kathy Cloninger, and here she talks about a special relationship between the national Girl Scouts and Planned Parenthood.
CLONINGER (VIDEO CLIP): We have relationships with our church communities, with YWCAs and with Planned Parenthood organizations across the country to bring information-based sex education programs to girls.
DOOCY: One of our producers was told that she made a misstatement back then and that there is no relationship between the Girl Scouts and Planned Parenthood. Do you believe that to be true?
VOLANSKY: I don't believe that is true. For one thing that statement has never been formally retracted. So that kind of makes you wonder why she doesn't just say, "Oh, I made a mistake, let me retract that" instead of just having everyone else says it but she never comes out with that, so that's one thing. But also, you look at the sites they are promoting, they send girls to abortion-advocacy websites which will in turn send them to Planned Parenthood, and several years ago they actually had a direct link where they were sending girls directly to Planned Parenthood in a badge called "On Your Own." [Fox News, Fox & Friends, 12/29/11]
Fox & Friends Re-airs Portion Of Volansky Interview, Says She's Exposing "Liberal Agenda" Of GSA. In a second December 29 segment, after re-airing a portion of the Volansky interview, Doocy said:
She got out of the Scouts a while back and then she's been compiling a list of what looks like the liberal agenda of the national Girl Scouts and that's when they found the Media Matters thing. When asked about why is Media Matters, which is clearly a lefty blog, George Soros-funded, left-leaning agenda wise blog, supposed to be the arbiter of media items, a spokesperson for the Girl Scouts of America said, "Girl Scouts constantly reviews our materials based on feedback and suggestions we receive from our members and we update our materials on a regular basis. As a result of the process, upcoming reprints of journeys" - that's the name of the publication - "the materials will not include links to Media Matters." However, our young former Scout did say that despite the fact that the Girl Scouts say we're not going to have that, she had friends go out and try to get that book and as it turns out, Media Matters is still in the book, although the Girl Scouts have promised to remove it from future publications.
Doocy also again highlighted GSA's supposed relationship with Planned Parenthood. [Fox News, Fox & Friends, 12/29/11]
The Five Hosts Call Girl Scouts Book "Indoctrination," Say Media Matters Is A "Biased Left Wing Liberal Rag." From a discussion of the GSA book on the December 29 edition of The Five:
KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE: This is improper, it's indoctrination. It's ridiculous. I don't know what's going on with them. They are trying to pollute minds of young girls. And I'm glad they've been called out on it.
ANDREA TANTAROS: What's Media Matters?
TANTAROS: I've never heard of them. [...]
ERIC BOLLING: I have a son but I wouldn't want my daughter to be learning about where to go for media training and media correctness to Media Matters, one of the most biased left wing liberal rags on the planet. So, maybe they should have vetted it a little bit better before they put the manual up - -
TANTAROS: I never heard of them. I don't even know what they are.
GREG GUTFELD: You know, I think this is all part of a merit badge for social justice. Have you seen that? No? All right. Well, if Media Matters had a cookie - I was thinking if Media Matters had a cookie, it would be called bitter nut.
BOLLING: And if they had a drink, it would be called Kool-Aid. [Fox News, The Five, 12/29/11]
Wallace Highlights Report On Special Report. From the December 29 edition of Fox News' Special Report:
CHRIS WALLACE (GUEST HOST): The Girl Scouts say they will no longer recommend the liberal website Media Matters as a good source for fact checking suspected media bias. The Scouts book "MEdia" includes a section called "Consider the Source" devoted to news and urban legends. Quote, "Media Matters for America gets the world out about media misinformation." But industry blog Mediaite says Media Matters has a, quote, "far left bent that is both transparent and indisputable." [Fox News, Special Report, 12/29/11]
This is where you can find out when and where the cookies are sold in your area.
I read through most of the items above, I saw "lefty" and "agenda" and "bias" and "Soros", but nothing to back up the claims of misinformation or indoctrination by this site.
Bias is just another word, like "entitlements", that the wingnuts have demonized. I wouldn't have any problem with the right wing bias of Fox, am radio, or righty websites, if they could manage to do it without lying.
And that's where the game sits. MMFA busts these clowns all the time, getting their facts wrong, omitting info, screwing up graphics, outright lying... and the only thing they can come back with is " MMFA has a different viewpoint and Soros!".
Like you pointed out, they never prove where MMFA is wrong in any of their accusation. The best they can do is throw out insults and those catchy words or names that the wingnuts associate with bad. And they are confident that the wingnuts don't ever question what they are being fed by the idiots they trust.
As soon as the polls changed, they'd jump right from Hillary-run to Obama-run website, and call anybody lemmings who wasn't following their ever-changing reality.
I also saw, in the comments of the Mediaite thread linked to, one of the documented lies MMFA is charged with; denying being Soros-funded. That is, after he eventually donated money to the site that exposed his attackers, the wingnuts believed that proved he was behind it all along.
Happy New Year, Bronwyn, and count your blessings for not having one of those defective right wing brains installed in yer skull. That would make you a normal quad-driving, man-spanking, donut-luvving Real American !
Which the rightwingers then used to proclaim the "truth" of their idea, that Soros has been secretly giving money to Media Matters and others all this time.
Theres a couple flaws in that mode of thought. Like, how it didnt prove anything, because I dont think "Donation to" is synonymous with "owning", and why would he now donate publicly if he already privately controlled it with zero evidence?
It really makes you think about the people we are dealing with...
Wingnuts worship on the altar of a media empire run by a billionaire who regularly donates to GOP campaigns whose news network then endorse. Unethical as that may be, it's not illegal, but you'll hear nary a peep from the wingnuts about this.
Not to mention the willful ignorance or outright deception involved in conflating "donate to" with "control."
FWIW, in the last sentence above-quoted Mediaite, following the MSM tradition of false equivalency, still makes MMFA sound like a lefty version of the screwball Blaze. Feel free to add your own comment to the piece.
Some good responses to them also.
I hadn't checked into fantasyland lately, so I watched a bit of Fox today. This morning ( I think Cavuto's show) there was a panel of nutjobs playing Armageddon-Time. Everybody's taxes are going up tonight, light bulbs as we know them will be banned ( screen text: "Green Bulb Threat!"), and housing prices have spiked slightly, but will only really recover once Obama is out of the White House.
I thank the FSM that I don't have to live in that perpetual nightmare of delusion, hate, fear, panic and paranoia that the typical wingnut seems to thrive in.
I flipped the Krazy Channel on again a bit ago, to see an extended interview with (monologue by) Rush Limbaugh. He rambled on about imaginary liberals who want to divide all of the money in the world equally between every human, about deliberate deaths in Mexico to get rid of the 2nd amendment, and some imagined political correctness among the Republican establishment that has prevented GOPpers from being able to voice any honest criticism of the president.
The highlight of that last rant was Lispy's very serious claim about Repubs being too nice; " If we put straitjackets on, we lose!".
He could have said " tie our hands behind our backs", or "pull our punches", but he went with straitjacket. Very fitting, right after he was urging his fellow wingnuts not to forget about Rev. Wright and Bill Ayers. Lispy himself acknowledged that the more reasonable Repubs want to restrain the nuts from hurting themselves or others.
Happy New year, E, hope it's a great one.
If there are very many nice republicans left, I doubt if they are listening to Limbic. Most are probably probably as disconnected from the public political debate as many demoncrats are.
I don't think the rightwing crazy is going back into the box anytime soon. There is so much money, needing so many propagandists, to go into the public corporate debate. This all seems to produce a rather second class mythology.
I'm hoping to finaly get a new used car shortly. I'm featured artist in January at the co-op I'm part of. As its a thirty mile round trip, and I'm dispalying 3D & 2D works, a new used car will be very useful.
2011 set a pretty high bar for corporate news crazyness. I'm of the opinion that, with the campaigns actually starting now, they will set a new standard of crazy this year. I'm awaiting accusations that we're really working with the Venusians, or the Martians.
A good year to you and the rest of this rightwing rhetoric wrecking crew as well. Such sanity as I've managed to retain this year is all your responsibility.
Like the wreckin' crew label. Reminds me of another band of mutants from my formative years.
That's some pretty straight up rock and roll!
A band name that should have been, Mutants For Nuclear Power.
Maybe Greta is saving up her eyerolls and smirks for an interview with someone she thinks is an OWS Field Marshall.
Cheers! :)
I agree about the misinformation. In all the crapola I weeded through above, I saw no instance of a thing called proof. Of course I understand that proof, like Media Matters, has a left-wing bias. Stay paranoid you bunch a right-wing nuts! You're really good at it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_lady_doth_protest_too_much,_methinks.
Basically when MMFA brings this much grief to right-wing world, I know they're doing good things for the rest of us.
Personally, I think they left out one option:
Writers seeking shock value for their work.
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Oh, I have no doubt that there are some people out there that use food stamps while someone in their immediate family wears expensive sneakers. What I don't believe is that the highly paid right wing pundit does their own shopping, and if they do that they would be in the same store with people on some form of financial assistance.
Them wimminz needs to shut up, git in the kitchen and make me a sammich! They don't deserve no rights! Anyone that wants to treat wimminz as equals are liebruls!
I have kids in both Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts. I honestly haven't see a huge difference in ideologies presented at the meetings, which are fore the most part non-political. Both do the Pledge of Allegiance for what that's worth.
Time to teach another wingnut that their distorted view on 'free speech', especially when abused to attack children, still has consequences.
Not that I'm complaining, my kids are grown up and you have to get your fix somewhere.
And I think I'll get one extra box that will be mailed to my local GOPer's campaign office with the following note, "From an American voter who is tired of your party's crap. Obama 2012".
It's been many years, but I've been in PP with girlfriends when I was younger. I remember them providing info, health care, birth control, and also providing the option of terminating a pregnancy.
The option. Personal responsibility, freedom of choice, that kind of thing. I'm sure the wingnuts think their demands to withhold information and services, to prevent women from having a choice, is the real freedom.
I swear these noobs have no love for women at all. The GS cookie sales proghram is THE largest girl powered enterprise in the US. And they want to boycott THAT all because they have truck with the obvious scholarship of this site? Must mean MMFA is doing something right.
Be afraid wingnuts, be very afraid. You obviously feel that your hate and propaganda campaign can't withstand the scrutiny that MMFA delivers.
Maybe, with all this attention on MMFA some people will checkout what all the fuss is about and maybe have their eyes opened.
Its worth hoping for.
As far as that Girl Scouts speak now blog, that if far, far, far right propaganda libel.
There was a lot of union bashing, must be sabotage ranting. Mostly from people who have no idea how unions or the automotive industry works.
He complained how so many people are losing their jobs still. I showed him the most recent (it was like back in October) Bureau of Labor statistics, and pointed out that job growth in the private sector was growing, but was being somewhat offset by the layoff's in the public sector. Told me this was "made up".
The only positive thing is that he doesn't see Fox as a news channel, more of an opinion channel, and almost never watches it, at least when I'm around.
I've found that it's better not to discuss politics or religion at family gatherings.
Most either are neutral or blame Obama for all the problems. So I try to love them just for being my family.
I love my family, I just don't particularly like being around them.
However, his criticisms had some merit and I respected his opinions. However, both my folks have been gone since the early 1980s and I would hope that they'd be appalled at this current crop of greedy con artists.
My dad -- he'd give you the shirt off his back. He doesn't mind paying taxes -- in fact, he thinks it's part of his civic duty. He's been a union man most of his life, served proudly in the Army -- but never glorified war. He and his Army buddies still get together several times a year, families and all.
He despises the president -- but he doesn't think much more highly of any of the right wing crop either. They're all corrupt, in his eyes, and the biggest problem with liberals like me is that we just don't understand that no one goes into politics with good intentions. If they tell you any different, they're blowing smoke up your butt.
Regardless, Volanski is a definitely person with way, way too much spare time on her hands. (Christy, it's 10 p.m. Do you know where your spawnage are?)
Pro-Choice and Planned Parenthood appear to be the actual targets in all this. Whining about MMFA and the GSA is just a means to an end.
Next...
Even worse, making kids think critically about what they learn and are told? My God, it's almost like public education and moral lessons from wholesome American traditions are actually working on some children!
For how meaningless MMFA is supposed to be, FOX News offers services of a PR firm doing volunteer work for them. If the story had ended with just the MMFA stuff, FOX could have called it a "win", but apparently someone on staff has a personal vendetta against the Girl Scouts and will run to the ends of the earth with this. I'm not even sure what they're trying to accomplish, but stuff like this won't work to defame in any way.
I looked up an off hand comment because it sounded plausible to me. Here is the text that triggered my search,
GREG GUTFELD: You know, I think this is all part of a merit badge for social justice. Have you seen that? No? All right. Well, if Media Matters had a cookie - I was thinking if Media Matters had a cookie, it would be called bitter nut.
BOLLING: And if they had a drink, it would be called Kool-Aid. [Fox News, The Five, 12/29/11]
A quick google search found this,
Just Us-Social Justice Program
http://www.girlscoutsaz.org/index.php/just-us-social-justice-program
Look at the program he is making fun of,
"Girl Scouts–Arizona Cactus-Pine Council is committed to providing all girls with opportunities that promote self-reliance, respect for others, a sense of belonging and leadership skills. An important way in which this is accomplished is through the Just Us-Social Justice programs.
These are prevention and early-intervention programs aimed at breaking the intergenerational cycle of abuse, poverty and crime some girls face on a daily basis.
These programs offer a range of free services to girls residing in low-income neighborhoods, housing projects, homeless shelters and girls involved in the juvenile justice and corrections systems."
What kind of man makes fun of that?
Need I remind everyone that MMFA criticized Ed Schultz for his attack on Laura Ingram?
The rigour demonstrated by MMfA is an example to all young people of the importance of critical research skills. The fact that MMfA goes to primary sources in its quest for facts sets the standard that should be aspired to by all citizens.
The Girl Scouts' Movement should hold its collective heads high, proud in the knowledge that, in an environment where fabricated calumnies are routinely circulated in the assorted media, they have made the effort to educate their membership on how to check the veracity of the pile of stuff that is shoved in their faces.
Which is more than you can say for Fox.
Ahem
You are a LIAR. Why is it that you lie like a rug in virtually every post you make? This site has a bias. One they freely admit. They are NOT partisan. Why do you just keep using words you are too stupid to understand the definition of?
Ah yes the famous words of KAB. Everyone that has a diffrent opinion than YOU is a liar.
Why don't you call Obama a liar? Several of you Media Morons claimed that Obama promised to VETO the NDAA bill because of the indefinite detention and I told you he was lying and that his administration had asked for the language to be changed to INCLUDE American citizens and even linked to a Democrat senator that gave testimony that the Obama administration asked for the change and you called me a liar and other names, well guess what dip sh!t he just signed the NDAA bill just like I said he would.
You left wingers are just to stupid to admit that the Obama administration is just as corrupt and incompetent as the Bush administration and just because you have a Democrat president you will defend everything he does just like the right wingers defended Bush for everything he did. You people need to wake up to the fact that Democrat or Republican no longer matters because they are both equally corrupt and both equally in the back pockets of big corporations and big banks.
Lets see if I can make this simple enough for your simple mind. That word partisan wasnt picked randomly. See brainwashed moron that panzy is he is repeating the spin he was told to take about how MMFA shouldnt be tax exempt because they are PARTISAN. A word that has a specific meaning in the context of tax exemption. That they are advocating for either specific candidates or political party. DIRECTLY. They do not do this. Panzy is lying. He knows he is lying. We know he is lying. You are the only one here too STUPID to understand what is going on. I pity you but it looks like higher brain function just isnt in your future
No problem Obama is a liar. He said he was going to veto this horrific legislation, he SHOULD have vetoed it he is a LIAR for saying he would then not doing so. Hopefully the ACLU will take it to the SC and get rid of it. I am once again gravely disappointed at this President.
It is always funny when someone as incredibly stupid as you and someone like you so brainwashed and programmed that you would embarass sheep, that you DO embarass lemmings tell us how stupid WE are. I have caught you in several lies, I have seen you claim things so incredibly stupid no rational adult could take them seriously. You have no credibility on any issue concerning thought. You are incapable of it. You are the epitome of mindless moronic, punk. You have the IQ of celery on your best day.
Obams has disappointed me many times. I wish there were a better alternative out there. You are just a brainwashed incredibly stupid propaganda parrot saying he is as bad and corrupt as Bush. When he LIES us into invading another country and puts us at war with them for a decade, when he craters the entire worlds economy, when he exposed the identity of an undercover CIA agent in an act of political pique get back to me. Until then yhou are just a child. A particularly stupid and mindless child.
You need to wake up to the fact that you are FAR too stupid to tell us anything we dont already know. Dems are marginally better than the GOP on some issues. This is a business run society, has been since at least the Civil war. We know that. I left the Democratic Party long ago. I BARELY support them over the GOP because those differences, small as they are mean REAL things to people on the margins and I care about them. Those marginal differences are the difference between Libya, which I am still uncomfortable about and Iraq which was an outright war crime. When Obama is torturing people get back to me about how he is just as bad as Bush
You are very very stupid and you virtually never know what you are talking about. This makes you a useful minion for people so much smarter than you. They feed you nonsense then you spew it like the well trained moron you are. You are just disgusting and a truely worthless human being
You are to stupid to even know how bias MMFA is. Everything they post is right wing this and right wing that. They only critize the conservative point of view not the liberal but hey when you are funded by one of the most liberal anti American priks in the US, George Soros that's what you get. George Soros should be deported to the South Pole along with Obama.
Also, MM is NOT funded by George Soros. They have only received a donation from him once.
Yes, I called you stupid. You ARE stupid. You still think me having to constantly call you wingnuts on your lies is somehow a problem I have instead of a LYING problem you wingnuts have. See, more of your stupidity.
In fact GOD but you are stupid. I DID show where panzy lied. He is a liar and apparantly so are you. He called this site partisan, that was a lie. One he has been corrected on when the ISSUE was the tax exempt status. He didnt even try to counter the argument then, since it really isnt that subjective, he just came back and told the same lie again. It is almost embarassing I have to explain such simple concepts to you and you are STILL too stupid to understand them. So stuff it up your tarhole you ignorant brainwashed punk.
My GOD you keep getting even stupider. Of COURSE they have a bias. One they freely admit. I admitted this in the first post. Of COURSE I know how biased they are. It really is sad you are this stupid. It makes it almost impossible for a rational adult to communicate with you. So I admitted they were biased AFTER which you said I didnt know how biased they are you are a LIAR. Why do you lie so much. Is it because you are just too stupid to know what you are talking about?
GOD but you are stupid. Yes they ONLY criticize CONSERVATIVE misinformation, just like MRC or Newsbusters ONLY critisizes LIBERAL media. If you think this is a revelation to us then lay down your stupidity has reached terminal levels and you are brain dead.
Soros, SSSSKKKKWWWWAAAKKKK Soros SSSSKKKWWWAAKKKK someone you know nothing about beyond what your personal brainwashers TOLD you to think. You are just so pathetic, so predictable, such a mindless child it is sad. YOU should be deported from our good country for being one of the most Anti-American, mindless cretins to ever waste the oxygen you breathe. You disgust me
You also claim MMFA is not partisan but when some so called right wing source exposes an Obama lie or corruption they go all out to debunk or deny it and many would call that partisan. This was the case before and after the election.
It is you that is to stupid to realize what our corupt government both Democrat and Republican is doing.
And you wonder why people call you stupid.
People are allowed to hold their own opinions. What they aren't allowed to hold is their own facts. Facts are these fun little things that don't require a partisan slant to be true. They are true by definition.
If someone tells something that's untrue, then that's a falsehood. Telling something intentionally untrue, that's a lie. It has nothing to do with a "different opinion" because not all opinions are valid. I cannot be of the opinion that poison is not harmful to consume. That opinion is wrong. I would be lying if I said that poison was not harmful.
panzer is saying things that he KNOWS is false. Or, if he doesn't know it to be false, he is a complete incompetent. I think kab was giving panzer the benefit of the doubt and was not going to call him a complete idiot.
...are you calling panzer a complete idiot, altsoba?
One MAJOR difference between the sides at the moment: the left brings facts, figures and statistics to make their claims; the right brings fear, hyperbole and BS to the table. Another one is that I can't think of one democratic president who invaded the wrong country. Not one. Go on living in your fantasy world of false equivalence.
They believe that everything political operates on this simple straight line axis, and the absolute points are defined by the right wing think tanks.
Right now, the largest single POLITICAL goal of the entire republican party and conservative movement is destroying President Obama, so the unthinking followers equate any attack or criticism of anything or anyone they support as unwavering support for President Obama.
I know, it's weird to imagine, but is there any other explanation?
Why do all debates end in a child-like insistence that anyone they disagree with is "in the tank" for Obama regardless of the topic? Why do they never seem to be able remember any criticism or dissatisfaction with the current president expressed by anyone on the political left no matter how many times it's pointed out to them?
Just watch, these same right wingers trying to derail this discussion into the ten millionth referendum on President Obama will next time begin with the exact same simple two sided paradigm, insisting again that no liberal ever criticizes Obama.
It's strange that the Republicans are attacking it now but pushed for it while Bush was in office.
And by the way, Foxbots, how's that whole campaign to get MMfA's tax-exempt status revoked going?
That said, keep fighting the good fight at Media Matters in 2012!
Anything anxious to stay nonpartisan ends up constricted more and more. If you want anything to do with science, economics, sociology, justice, media, or history, you have to watch yourself more and more closely to avoid the parts that republicans have lied about.
Also, right now it's unimportant if the left's mistakes go uncovered because the dominant fact of our politics is the dearth of value and sanity on the right, and that dominant fact is not covered in traditional news sources. When the dominant fact gets proper coverage, only then is it appropriate to cover smaller facts.
Interesting.
In a just world it would
For Beck, two out of three ain't bad. It's outstanding.
Media Matters most assuredly is biased. But when you realize that biased and correct is a million times better than neutral and wrong, all qualms go away.
Media Matters also indoctrinates. Anyone who hears and acknowledges truth will leave the republican party.
The only attack the right has left is charges of partisanship and bias. But since objectivity is now a useless fiction, that attack has no content.
There is so much wrong idiocy in nearly every news source that concerns about bias are like washing dishes while your house burns down around you.
I watched this protest live for almost a half hour and then I flipped over to Fox News. I waited on Fox for about 10 minutes and they didn't even mention the protest. I flipped over to the other stations. I found one....that's right, ONE... report on the protests. They interviewed one anti-war protestor while not showing the size of the crowd passing behind him. Then they interviewed all 10 pro-war protestors as a group.
They never showed the size of the protest.
For the very same reason that we all have that baggage it is important to seek out primary sources. Thorough research such as that routinely undertaken by MMfA is the greatest safeguard of the truth.
Whilst we can all argue the validity of our opinions the facts upon which they are based are the same whatever your ideology. Combatting outright lies and misrepresentations is an important public function and can only serve to improve public discourse. It is a sorry comment on the U.S. polity when this most useful of functions is debased.
Here's tae us; wha's like us? Dam few - and they're a' deid!
We're well ahead of you here - the year's getting a bit old already.
BTW, I am forced to respond to something PV Andy and heehee said in a different thread.
Believe it or not! Perverted Andy finally showed some class - for a fellow LW loon of course
"by Andy Kreiss (December 23, 2011 10:52 am ET)
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...the whole 'Judge not' thingy.
Seen on Facebook this morning, posted by an old schoolmate; Foxnation item about Jimmy Carter sending a condolence letter to the son of Kim Jong Il.
I'm the first person to take digs at politicians for using their faith as a prop, talking about Christian values while seeming completely unfamiliar with Christs's words, but talk about 'walking the walk', Carter does it.
Of course, it's not going over well with the TRue Xtian FoxBots, who know the right thing would have been to send a quick note saying ' F-U your dad's dead !'"
And,
"……the giddy excitement some take in death is just creepy."
Then here comes heehee of Jong II "...he has feelings like anyone else." And, "...not taunting bereaved relatives."
http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201112220024
This is what PV Andy said about my dad a few weeks ago: "I hope his father, if he was any kind of man, is dead.". At least this is a bit better than, "F-U your dad's dead".
You leftists will never be able to live by any principled standards of fairness. Something is missing in your brains. This is why I seldom criticize you - it's not really your fault that you have mental issues.
Happy 2012! What say you all try to be a little more NORMAL this year?
I am glad you are back to slap around some. I am in the mood for a free clown show and there are none as amusing as your pathetic attempts at being clever. Of course that is when you are not delving into your disturbing sexual deviancy about spanking grown men and pretending they are two year olds or not being able to keep your pants on around your grandchildren. Lets leave those in your anxiety closet shall we?
It is hilarious seeing YOU call someone ELSE a pervert though. I expect the FBI to find you and lock you up any day now.
Now now dont be such a liar. No one is forcing you to respond to anything. We appreciate you sharing your incredible stupidity with us so we can laugh at you but we arent FORCING you to display the stunning, blazing, white hot stupidity that you so define, you just like to do it and we love laughing at morons as stupid as you.
You are still whining about this? For a punk as rude, insulting, pathetic, and crude as you are you sure have a thin skin. I am sorry that you are too stupid to read the English language. Not suprised of course, you really are very stupid but it is a sorry thing. That is not an insult to your father. It is pointing out that any DECENT human being would be ashamed to be associated with a mentally defective, morally retarded pool of sewage like you. He was hoping your father was spared from such indignity and shame that you would inevitably bring upon him. He was being nice.
You are too stupid and morally retarded to even know what fairness or principles are. You spent an entire post insulting us AND snivelling like the punk you are about an insult given you weeks ago. You are also a LIAR you criticize us all the time. Just not in any effective way. Mostly you project your inadequacies in our direction and we point at you and laugh. You have mental defects so obvious that it really precludes you as being any judge about anyone elses mental acuity.
You are too stupid, sexually perverted, and morally retarded to even be TALKING about normal. Keep a look out for the FBI. Your day will come. Then you can tell your cellmates about how normal you are
So Andy gets the benefit of the doubt, because his pattern of behavior merits it. And since everyone else is fully capable of recognizing that pattern, I have to believe that ILD is being intellectually dishonest, which happens to fit into his established pattern of behavior.
Absolutly. Andy has definitly earned the benifit of the doubt. Beyond that Donutguy is a liar. This has been pointed out to him multiple times and he just keeps telling the lie. Now I for example have earned no such benifit and understand this. I am willing to follow the likes of donutguy into the gutter and return his utter contempt with like contempt. Andy is more circumspect.
I agree. You people are sorry sicko freaks kabnuts.
"Of course that is when you are not delving into your disturbing sexual deviancy about spanking grown men and pretending they are two year olds or not being able to keep your pants on around your grandchildren."
You are predictably taking my comments out of context. You have been trained well by the staff of MMfA. These out of context remarks are a sure sign of lacking valid refutable comments. I've come to expect this kind of claptrap from the Left.
"He was hoping your father was spared from such indignity and shame that you would inevitably bring upon him. He was being nice"
Only twisted and warped minds would ever interpret "I hope his father, if he was any kind of man, is dead" as "being nice" to me."
"Keep a look out for the FBI. Your day will come."
I sure hope so. I'd like to see both you and Andy jailed for your despicable sexual perverted comments here.
BTW, You and Andy need to get your minds out of the gutter kabnuts? You two obviously have pedophiliac characteristics.
He probably doesn't want to chat with folks that agree with him but gets some high out of fighting or at least arguing. I imagine he brags to his family how he really sets idiot "leftists" straight on these blogs. It's sad even his own wife doesn't want to hear what he has to say.
I recommend you all do the same if you found his posts to be deliberately off-topic, inflammatory, and insulting.
The MMFA staff is usually pretty busy working on new articles, so it's important we provide feedback to let them know who is causing problems and provoking animosity on the comment threads.
You are a LIAR. I didnt take that comment out of context in any way. You told a grown man here you wanted to spank him like he was a two year old. You said that exactly. Again you are a LIAR. MMFA doesnt take things out of context that is just the sort of lie you LIKE to tell because you get sheer joy from being a liar.
You are a pathetic, disgusting, depraved and perverte pool of sewage donutpunk. You always have been and you always will be.
GOD you are stupid. No one said he was being nice to you. Why WOULD he be nice to you the way you constantly insult US. YOU claimed he was smearing your father. That is a lie. You lie a lot. He was insulting you and overall was being nice. Just not to YOU. He was assuming your father was a good man and he was hoping he would be spared the shame you would inevitably bring him. That was nice. Not to YOU since you dont deserve nice.
You are so deseprate ignorant and sad. You are such a pathetic punk. I have said nothing illegal. I have only speculated that with your perverted sexual deviancy that you profess on this site they MAY be interested in what you DO, not what you say. What you say is just a huge pile of stupid.
You are a LIAR. Also you tell so MANY lies no one takes anything you say seriously. I am disturbed at this newest bit of obvious projection from you. I have never talked about wanting to spank a grown man while pretending he was a two year old. That was YOU. I never talked about how I couldnt keep my pants on around my grandchildren. THAT was you too. You are a very disturbed human being get help before you act on your sick and twisted fantasies involving children.
For example, if a right winger is racist, that right winger should be attacked for being factually wrong. When that's done, the racism will take care of itself.
And if a left winger insults your family (of course he didn't, but even so), you should attack the left-winger on facts and the rest will take care of itself. It's your problem that you can't do that, since you're on the wrong side of all issues.
"...use MY handle to drum up some negativity to kab. Get over it big man, or address me personally, I'll post my freaking number. You cannot possibly intend to spend every post here telling on people, grow up."
Heehee in the same post, doing exactly what he blasted me for - writing about a third person (how did he put it? Oh yeah, "and the first post I see from you has you crying about some half baked crap and you feel it necessary to use MY handle to drum up some negativity to kab". He also referenced an older post then turns around and blasts me for using an old post. I thought you were a little classier heehee but it looks like I was mistaken. Check this out from heehee "Some ass growth called 4teepee said some sh!t about my daughter who is good as gold and still alive and READ IT,"
And naturally there are a bunch of you saying I'm "whining" while you whine about me. That you don't see this is remarkable
See heehee, the way it works is if you blast somebody for xyz you should not turn around and do the same exact thing - especially in the SAME post! You lose credibility when you do this.
BTW, it sucks somebody talked trash about your daughter. A few weeks ago I posted a message here requesting family members be off limits here - just before Andy talked trash about my Dad. In fact, a lot of posters here agreed with Andy's speaking ill of my dad.
Happy 2012.
Objectivity is my primary focus. I've defended people whose behavior and views I have very clearly and vociferously criticized. If you can't get me on your side, chances are you're just plain wrong.
This has been explained to Ild many times but Ild is too ignorant to comprehend the true meaning of Andy's comment.
Happy New Year Kab and almost Happy Birthday incase I'm not on here that day.
I suggest flagging posts like these. I don't care if these right wingers want to post their talking points and general idiocy, but these personal attacks and accusations must stop, and responding to them only encourages their sick little games.
I'm sorry; I simple don't accept the premise that somebody who calls themselves "ilovedoughnuts" is going to throw away cookies.
Which George Soros history?
The actual history with it's good and bad points, or the unhinged right wing attacks that call him a Nazi collaborator, accuse him of being part of a secret cabal of Zionist financiers plotting to overthrow world governments, or the charges that he alone bankrolls every liberal, democratic, and progressive website, candidate, and movement that has ever existed?
Yeah Steve Doocy, that is precisely why the Girl scouts should be going to Media Matters.
The Troglodyte Governor of Iowa was on Morning Joe today, singing this well-rehearsed little song, peppering it with references to Obama's "lack of leadership" and other Heritage Foundation talking points about how Obama took George W. Bush's thriving economy and ran it into the ground.
Of course, none of the so-called "Journalists" at the table bothered to challenge him. Mika made a few feeble attempts, but the Honorable Hack simply ignored her.