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Right-Wing Media Seize On Muñoz Appointment To Renew Attacks On NCLR

January 13, 2012 9:38 am ET — 87 Comments

Right-wing media are demonizing the National Council of La Raza in order to object to President Obama's recent appointment of Cecilia Muñoz as director of the Domestic Policy Council, accusing the organization of being an "amnesty" group with "racist" ties. These attacks are not new: Conservatives have long described the civil rights group as "the Ku Klux Klan Of The Hispanic People."

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Obama Appointed Former NCLR Exec Muñoz To Head Policy Council

Muñoz Previously Served As NCLR Senior Vice President. On January 10, Obama named Muñoz as the new director of the Domestic Policy Council:

Cecilia Muñoz currently serves as Deputy Assistant to the President and Director of Intergovernmental Affairs where she oversees the Obama Administration's relationships with state and local governments. As Director of Intergovernmental Affairs under Valerie Jarrett, Ms. Muñoz leads a partnership between federal, state, local, and tribal governments that Governing magazine described as "more prominent and responsive than it ever was," citing praise from local and state elected officials from across the political spectrum. Under Muñoz's leadership, this partnership has brought the voices of local elected officials and the people they represent into the White House in the development and execution of policies to address local challenges in the economy, health care, disaster relief, and transportation infrastructure among others.

Ms. Muñoz also leads the Administration's efforts to fix the broken immigration system so that it meets America's 21st century economic and security needs. In addition, she serves as Co-Chair of the President's Task Force on Puerto Rico's Status, which has worked to not only continue to address the question of the island's political status, but also partnered with local officials to address immediate concerns over jobs and the economy, health care, education, the environment, energy, and infrastructure.

Prior to joining the Obama Administration, Muñoz served as Senior Vice President for the Office of Research, Advocacy, and Legislation at the National Council of La Raza (NCLR), the nation's largest Latino civil rights organization. She supervised NCLR's policy staff covering a variety of issues of importance to Latinos, including civil rights, employment, poverty, farmworker issues, education, health, housing, and immigration. Her particular area of expertise is immigration policy, which she covered at NCLR for twenty years. [Office of the White House Press Secretary, 1/10/12]

Right-Wing Media In Turn Slam NCLR As An "Open-Border And Amnesty Group"

Michelle Malkin: NCLR Is A "Radical Identity Politics-Driven Group." From her syndicated column:

Before joining Team Obama, Munoz spent two decades as chief registered lobbyist for the National Council of La Raza ("The Race"). Whose "middle class" does The Race represent? I've tracked the radical identity politics-driven group for years as it promoted drivers' licenses and in-state college tuition breaks for illegal aliens; opposed cooperative immigration enforcement efforts between local, state and federal authorities; and opposed a secure fence along the southern border.

Under Munoz, The Race advised the Mexican government on how to lobby for illegal alien amnesty in the United States. Mexico's Institute for Mexicans Residing Abroad rewarded her with its Ohtli Prize for her service to the country. Their country, not ours.

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Who has benefited from Munoz's Beltway lobbying? No, not the American middle class. The biggest beneficiary has been La Raza's coffers. According to analysts at nonpartisan Judicial Watch in Washington, The Race raked in $4.1 million in federal subsidies in 2009 and more than $11 million in 2010. Much of that money came straight from the Obama stimulus boondoggle, and much of it went to mortgage counseling. [Creators Syndicate, 1/13/11, via MichelleMalkin.com]

Dobbs Blasted NCLR As An "Open-Border And Amnesty Group That Has Pushed Illegal Immigrants To Brazenly Defy U.S. Law." Reporting on the appointment of Muñoz, Fox's Lou Dobbs stated:

DOBBS: The president is in full campaign mode now. President Obama, this week, pandering to a key voting block, appointing a former amnesty lobbyist to head up his domestic policy council, Cecilia Munoz -- former executive vice president of La Raza, a open-border and amnesty group that has pushed illegal immigrants to brazenly defy U.S. law while demanding concessions from the federal government. [Fox Business, Lou Dobbs Tonight, 1/11/12]

Drudge Report: "Obama Picks Amnesty Lobbyist For WH Policy Director." The Drudge Report highlighted Muñoz's appointment by accusing her of being an "amnesty lobbyist":

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[Drudge Report, 1/10/11]

WND Attacked NCLR As "An Open-Borders Group That Lobbies For Mass Immigration And Amnesty For Illegal Aliens." In an article for the WorldNetDaily.com website, reporter Aaron Klein invoked progressive billionaire financier George Soros, "radical organizer" Saul Alinsky, Bill Ayers, and the Tides Center to attack Muñoz and criticized her ties to "ACORN, MoveOn.org and other radical groups." Klein went on to accuse NCLR of being "an open-borders group that lobbies for mass immigration and amnesty for illegal aliens." [WorldNetDaily.com, 1/10/12]

Fox Promoted WND Attack On Muñoz, NCLR. The Fox Nation website highlighted and linked to Klein's article using the headline: "Obama's New Czar Tied to Occupy, ACORN, MoveOn":

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[Fox Nation, 1/11/12]

IBD: Obama Chose "An Open-Borders Advocate And Former Leader Of The Hispanic Activist Group Favoring Amnesty." In an editorial headlined "Obama Plays La Raza Card In Key Appointment," Investor's Business Daily blasted Obama for "choosing to head his policy council with an open-borders advocate and former leader of the Hispanic activist group favoring amnesty." IBD continued:

The NCLR, whose name translates as "the race," is a tax-exempt nonprofit that describes itself as "the largest national Hispanic civil rights and advocacy organization in the United States." It most recently led in vocal opposition against Arizona SB 1070, a law attacked by Attorney General Eric Holder as a discriminatory incarnation of profiling that usurped federal authority over immigration policy.

When then-candidate Obama spoke to the NCLR national convention in 2008, he told the group what it wanted to hear -- that Latino "communities are terrorized by ICE immigration raids." He also condemned those "communities taking immigration enforcement into their own hands," such as those that have passed state laws or local ordinances to check that those who are here are in fact here legally.

At this year's La Raza convention, Obama touted the federal Dream (Development, Relief and Education for Alien Minors) Act, a thinly disguised amnesty program that is part of "comprehensive immigration reform" designed to pit those who have successfully eluded the border patrol on a path to citizenship. [Investor's Business Daily, 1/11/12]

In Fact, NCLR's Mission Is "To Improve Opportunities For Hispanic Americans"

NCLR: "Our Mission Is To Create Opportunities And Open The Door To The American Dream For Latino And Other Families." On its website, NCLR emphasizes that its "mission is to create opportunities and open the door to the American Dream for Latino and other families":

Those familiar with the work of the National Council of La Raza (NCLR) know that we are the largest national Hispanic civil rights and advocacy organization in the U.S., and that we are an American institution committed to strengthening this great nation by promoting the advancement of Latino families. Our mission is to create opportunities and open the door to the American Dream for Latino and other families.

We proudly represent nearly 300 Affiliates -- community-based organizations providing a range of essential services to millions of Latinos and others in need. Since 1997, NCLR and its Affiliates have helped more than 22,000 low-income Hispanic families purchase their first homes. In addition, NCLR's network of 115 charter schools provides quality education to more than 25,000 Latino children every year. The health clinics we helped build and the lay health educators we trained provided care and information about prevention and detection of serious illnesses to nearly 100,000 people in 2006. Our Affiliates are working every day to help Hispanic immigrants integrate fully into American society by providing English-language classes, civics courses, and naturalization assistance. [National Council Of La Raza, accessed 1/12/12]

NCLR: Our "Work As A Civil Rights Institution Is About Inclusion And Participation In The American Dream." Responding to critics that argue NCLR supports a " 'Reconquista,' or the right of Mexico to reclaim land in the southwestern United States," the organization wrote that "such a claim is so far outside of the mainstream of the Latino community that we find it incredible that our critics raise it as an issue. NCLR has never supported and does not endorse the notion of a 'Reconquista' or 'Aztlán.' " It further stated:

Similarly, NCLR's critics falsely claim that the statement "Por La Raza todo, Fuera de La Raza nada," ["For the community everything, outside the community nothing"] is NCLR's motto. NCLR unequivocally rejects this statement, which is not and has never been the motto of any Latino organization.

NCLR's work as a civil rights institution is about inclusion and participation in the American Dream, including extensive efforts to assist new immigrants in the process of fully integrating into American life. In fact, NCLR and its Affiliates work everyday to provide English classes, support naturalization efforts, and offer other services that help integrate immigrants fully into American society.

Many of these critics claim that NCLR supports dividing up sections or regions of this country by race or ethnic heritage. In particular, this claim was made by one outspoken critic of NCLR, the late Representative Charlie Norwood (R-GA). As the nation's largest Hispanic civil rights organization, NCLR has a long, proud, well-documented history of opposing segregation based on race or ethnicity. [National Council Of La Raza, accessed 1/12/12]

NCLR: "Translating Our Name As 'The Race' Is Not Only Inaccurate, It Is Factually Incorrect." From NCLR's website:

Many people incorrectly translate our name, "La Raza," as "the race." While it is true that one meaning of "raza" in Spanish is indeed "race," in Spanish, as in English and any other language, words can and do have multiple meanings. As noted in several online dictionaries, "La Raza" means "the people" or "the community." Translating our name as "the race" is not only inaccurate, it is factually incorrect. "Hispanic" is an ethnicity, not a race. As anyone who has ever met a Dominican American, Mexican American, or Spanish American can attest, Hispanics can be and are members of any and all races.

The term "La Raza" has its origins in early 20th century Latin American literature and translates into English most closely as "the people" or, according to some scholars, as "the Hispanic people of the New World." The term was coined by Mexican scholar José Vasconcelos to reflect the fact that the people of Latin America are a mixture of many of the world's races, cultures, and religions. Mistranslating "La Raza" to mean "the race" implies that it is a term meant to exclude others. In fact, the full term coined by Vasconcelos, "La Raza Cósmica," meaning the "cosmic people," was developed to reflect not purity but the mixture inherent in the Hispanic people. This is an inclusive concept, meaning that Hispanics share with all other peoples of the world a common heritage and destiny. [National Council Of La Raza, accessed 1/12/12]

Political Strategist Robert Creamer: NCLR Is "One Of The Nation's Most Respected Latino Organizations." In a Huffington Post op-ed, political strategist Robert Creamer, who "knew Cecilia for many years before her work in the White House," lauded the White House for the appointment:

Her appointment is great government -- and great politics.

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Munoz, who has served since the beginning of the Administration as the Director of Intergovernmental Relations, has always been the key point person in the White House on immigration reform. Before joining the White House team, she served as a leader at one of the nation's most respected Latino organizations -- The National Council of La Raza. By tapping her as his top domestic policy adviser, President Obama assures that immigration reform will be at the center of the domestic policy agenda. [Huffington Post, 1/10/12]

MSNBC's Rachel Maddow: NCLR Is Not The "Latino KKK." In May 2009, former Rep. Tom Tancredo accused NCLR of being a "Latino KKK without the hoods or the nooses." Responding to Tancredo's claim, MSNBC host Rachel Maddow noted that "the mission of the National Council of La Raza is 'strengthening America by promoting the advancement of Latino families.' " She added: "It's also the largest national Hispanic civil rights and advocacy organization in the United States." [MSNBC, The Rachel Maddow Show, 5/29/09]

Right-Wing Have Long Demonized NCLR In Attacks On Latinos

Dobbs Blasted NCLR As An "Ethno-Centric" Group That Looks "With Disdain At The American People." On a September 2009 edition of his radio show, Lou Dobbs contended that the federal government hasn't been enforcing immigration laws in part because of groups "on the left" like NCLR and "all the other ethno-centric organizations," who "have just been looking with disdain at the American people." He added: "That's the real issue." [United Stations Radio Network, The Lou Dobbs Show, 9/18/09]

  • A month later, Dobbs did an about-face and referred to NCLR as an "honest, reputable, [and] legitimate" organization. [United Stations Radio Network, The Lou Dobbs Show, 10/22/09]

Michael Savage: NCLR "Represents The Most Violent Elements Of The Hispanic Supremacist Movement." In a wide-ranging attack on NCLR reviving bogus "Reconquista" claims, radio host Michael Savage stated:

SAVAGE: Would you go back to your country of origin 'cause the Mexicans want Los Angeles, San Diego, Arizona, and New Mexico? And a half of Chicago? What if you went along with La Raza, which is a front group for the retaking of the Southwest. La Raza is a foreign entity as far as I am concerned. La Raza represents -- and they're in the White House by the way. La Raza represents the most violent elements of the Hispanic supremacist movement -- only they're the diplomats of the Hispanic supremacist movement. They put a nice face on it the same way that this peace flotilla did.

So La Raza gets into the White House under this enemy of the American way Obama, and La Raza now is trying to not only erase the border but erase your reality of the drugs, the weapons, the crime that are coming over the border. [Talk Radio Network, The Savage Nation, 6/4/10]

Savage: Latino Advocacy Group Is "The Ku Klux Klan Of The Hispanic People." On his radio program, Savage labeled NCLR as "the Ku Klux Klan of the Hispanic people," adding that NCLR "is the most stone racist group I've ever seen in this country." Savage later noted, however, "It's true they haven't hung anybody." [Talk Radio Network, The Savage Nation, 5/17/07]

Beck Called NCLR A "Nasty, Take America And Give It To The Mexicans" Group. On his radio show, Beck listed NCLR as part of the "nasty, take America and give it to the Mexicans groups." [Fox News, Glenn Beck, 9/30/10]

Beck Suggested NCLR Is Similar To "Bloodthirsty," "Notoriously Violent Drug Gang" MS-13. On his former Fox News show, Glenn Beck sought to quell criticism of the tea party as racist by pointing to NCLR. He said of the organization: "La Raza -- I mean, you want to talk about a racist statement. If I called an organization, 'The Race,' -- wow. That's -- anyway." He then went on to equate NCLR with MS-13, which he explained was a "bloodthirsty," "notoriously violent drug gang." He also compared the group with "neo-Nazis" and claimed it's "a danger to society." [Fox News, Glenn Beck, 4/19/10, 4/19/10]

WND's Farah Called NCLR "A Racist Hate Group," Compared Group To KKK And Neo-Nazis. From a May 30, 2009 column by WorldNetDaily editor Joseph Farah, headlined "A racist for the Supreme Court":

[Sonia] Sotomayor is a member of the National Council of La Raza. What is La Raza?

It bills itself as a "civil rights" organization. It would be more appropriate to say it disguises itself as such. It camouflages itself as such. It hides its real purpose and true intents as such - with the willing and skillful assistance of many of my media colleagues.

In reality, La Raza is a racist hate group - a band of "Hispanic supremacists," if you will, though it is seldom characterized that way.

It is no more a civil rights group than the Ku Klux Klan is a group promoting the civil rights of white people. It is no more a civil rights group than the neo-Nazi scum who marched a generation ago at Skokie, Ill., with the legal protection of the American Civil Liberties Union, another misnamed organization. It is no more a civil rights group than the Aryan skinheads who victimize Jews and others they detest in trying to lift themselves up from the gutter.

La Raza is part of the movement in this country to destroy it from within by dividing and "reconquering."

Its members and leadership are linked directly to those who believe the Southwestern U.S. was unjustly seized from Mexico in the 19th century. It should, they believe, by any means necessary, be reconstituted either as part of that thoroughly corrupt, socialist regime fled by tens of millions of refugees or as an independent, autonomous, Spanish-speaking socialist state - like the mythical land of Aztlan.

The only real differences between La Raza and the neo-Nazis and the KKK are its wealth, power and level of sophistication. [WorldNetDaily.com, 5/30/09]

Sean Hannity Falsely Claimed NCLR "Has Called For Mexico To Annex Southwestern States." On his Fox News show, Sean Hannity falsely claimed that NCLR "has called for Mexico to annex southwestern states." [Fox News, Hannity's America, 2/26/09]

  • Following Hannity's false claim, NCLR president Janet Murguía blasted Hannity in a letter to Fox Executive Vice President John Moody demanding "an immediate on-air correction." Murguía stated: "NCLR has never made the statement and does not support the views Mr. Hannity attributes to us, as even a cursory review of our public statements or website would substantiate. Such conspiracy theories would be silly if they were not so often used to create fear and distrust of all Hispanics living in America. While Mr. Hannity is well within his rights to disagree with the views of our organization, he is not entitled to lie about us." [Media Matters, 2/27/09]

Shapiro Wrote Entire Column Filled With False, Misleading Attacks On NCLR. Syndicated columnist Ben Shapiro called NCLR "a radical and in some cases quasi-criminal group" and falsely smeared former NCLR board member Mari Del Carmen Aponte as "an alleged former spy for Fidel Castro." He also falsely claimed that a statement urging Hispanics to "[reclaim] the land of their birth" was a "founding document" of NCLR; baselessly asserted that a proposed federal education funding increase was part of an effort "to funnel money quickly and furiously into NCLR coffers"; and ignored evidence contradicting claims of a "kickback scheme" involving an NCLR affiliate. [Creators Syndicate, 12/16/09, via Media Matters]

Fox's Gibson Suspicious That Latino Advocacy Groups Are Set On "Retaking Old Mexico Territories ... By Pure Birth Rate." While saying that he was citing an internal NCLR email, John Gibson claimed on his Fox News show that he was suspicious that advocacy groups like NCLR favor "the so-called reconquista," which Gibson described as the "retaking of old Mexico territories, which are now part of the United States, by pure birth rate." Gibson also asserted that NCLR "is a group dedicated to the betterment of the race," adding, "good, but try being American while you are at it, guys." [Fox News, The Big Story with John Gibson, 4/3/06]

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    • Author by jamesB (January 13, 2012 11:15 am ET)
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      ya gotta love the way mmfa coyly reprints these meaningless press releases or mission statements as some evidence, like this piece of work "On its website, NCLR emphasizes that its "mission is to create opportunities and open the door to the American Dream for Latino and other families". left wing translation > open border full amnesty. liberals may buy this squishy feel good nclr baloney, the rest of us don't.
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      • Author by Johaely (January 13, 2012 11:49 am ET)
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        left wing translation > open border full amnesty.


        You should get you left wing translator repaired. It seems to be completely broken.
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      • Author by jonimacaroni1 (January 13, 2012 12:10 pm ET)
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        Yet again we see that "jamesB/rightON/tommy/et al" refuses to address the actual topic that's under discussion - that the rightwing media is choosing to distract us (hmm, just like "jamesB" tries to do with almost every post, imagine that) from the actual capabilities of the appointee with an irrelevant and dishones smear of La Raza.

        This is the topic

        Right-wing media are demonizing the National Council of La Raza in order to object to President Obama's recent appointment of Cecilia Muñoz as director of the Domestic Policy Council, accusing the organization of being an "amnesty" group with "racist" ties.


        Unless he wants to discuss this topic, please don't feed the troll.
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        • Author by jamesB (January 13, 2012 12:23 pm ET)
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          the topic is how phony la raza is. despite mmfa's insistence otherwise.
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          • Author by kabniel (January 13, 2012 2:53 pm ET)
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            james

            No it isnt. YOu are a LIAR, which also is not the topic. If you are too stupid to be able to read then just STFU and let the humans talk
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      • Author by BassVirus (January 13, 2012 12:11 pm ET)
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        Why do you feel the need to translate a statement that is perfectly clear?
        Is there any subject that you wont smear with your ignorance?

        Normally i would just ignore you and hope you are trolling but this is some serious "WTF" material.
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        • Author by jamesB (January 13, 2012 12:19 pm ET)
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          because i don't swallow press releases or website mission statements from organizations who cutesy it up to divert from their real mission, which for la raza is open borders and full amnesty. i would have much more respect for them if they just said it, but we all know why they can't. so they put out some benign pr baloney about opening doors of opportunity. it's so ridiculous it's laughable.
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          • Author by Johaely (January 13, 2012 1:39 pm ET)
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            Do you actually have any proof of that? What you are saying is like accusing the NAACP to being an organization that works in order to establish affirmative action and hide it behind civil rights and race issues.
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            • Author by jamesB (January 13, 2012 1:53 pm ET)
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              all their literature, all their "take actions" never make the very important distinction between legal and illegal immigration. and that is what this whole debate is about. they want to blur that distinction for a reason.
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              • Author by Johaely (January 13, 2012 1:58 pm ET)
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                Why should they be making the distinction? Their concern is helping Hispanic Immigrants. Unlike you, they do the correct thing and see no distinction in the people they help. Just because they don't have some virulent dislike towards "illegals" does not mean they are for open borders or amnesty. Also, please tell me what is exactly bad about open borders or at least an easier, more open, immigration system.
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                • Author by jamesB (January 13, 2012 2:05 pm ET)
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                  because the distinction is a little thing called legal vs. illegal. if that is irrelevant to you, i'm sorry. it isn't to me.
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                  • Author by Johaely (January 13, 2012 2:19 pm ET)
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                    How does that translate as advocating an open boarder policy?
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                    • Author by jamesB (January 13, 2012 2:22 pm ET)
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                      actually that translates perfectly for advocating amnesty. once that occurs the carrot is tossed out to come on in, no penalty, no laws broken, all are welcome. there's your open border advocacy. works hand in hand.
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                      • Author by Johaely (January 13, 2012 2:22 pm ET)
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                        That's called a slippery slope fallacy.
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                        • Author by jamesB (January 13, 2012 2:23 pm ET)
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                          call it what you want, if they were honest they'd say it outright. they aren't honest, which is why they're phony.
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                          • Author by Johaely (January 13, 2012 2:33 pm ET)
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                            Immigrant is immigrant. They are an advocacy group for Hispanics. Not "Legal Hispanics". They are completely honest in their intentions. They don't hide it. Just because oyu see a conspiracy behind it, does not mean there is one.
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                          • Author by kabniel (January 13, 2012 2:56 pm ET)
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                            james


                            If they were honest they would say whatever you WANT them to say to conform to your delusional fantasies? The shame is you really are that stupid
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                        • Author by jonimacaroni1 (January 13, 2012 4:39 pm ET)
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                          Johaely said that it's a slippery slope fallacy.

                          Nope - it's a troll, trying to distract us from the true topic.

                          Please don't feed the troll.
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                      • Author by Johaely (January 13, 2012 2:23 pm ET)
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                        Amnesty does not mean that there wouldn't be any illegal immigration. Reagan granted amnesty, yet we still have illegal immigrants.
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                        • Author by jamesB (January 13, 2012 2:26 pm ET)
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                          hello! when you purposely exclude ever mentioning illegal immigration, it's done for a reason. because you want to keep pushing the meme "anti-immigration", which is a flat out lie. therein lies the phoniness.
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                          • Author by Johaely (January 13, 2012 2:34 pm ET)
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                            when you purposely exclude ever mentioning illegal immigration, it's done for a reason.


                            The fact that you intentionally do not see a distinction?

                            because you want to keep pushing the meme "anti-immigration", which is a flat out lie.


                            When you are attacked by people like Dobbs, Savage, Farah and the like, their problem IS immigration, legal or otherwise.
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                            • Author by jamesB (January 13, 2012 2:55 pm ET)
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                              so la raza is doing it because of rush limbaugh? find another straw to grasp
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                              • Author by kabniel (January 13, 2012 3:00 pm ET)
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                                james

                                GOD but you are stupid. La Raza is a civil rights group. Dividing their community amongst themselves does not in ANY way serve a civil rights purpose. You cannot TELL a legal immigrant from an illegal one by looking. The agenda of trying to erase the discrimination against hispanics would not be in any way helped by dividing their community against one another.
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                                • Author by jamesB (January 13, 2012 3:09 pm ET)
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                                  i have no interest in catapulting you off your meds today. if you can manage to shock therapy yourself into a rational discussion, i may throw you a bone or two. otherwise, scream at your computer monitor by yourself.
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                                  • Author by kabniel (January 13, 2012 3:36 pm ET)
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                                    james

                                    How many times do I have to tell you that I couldnt care less what YOU do. I will just keep destroying your ignorant arguments. Feel free to just ignore me while I do so. I know you are still sore from the merciless punking I gave you yesterday and you have no hope of actually making sense on the subjects you are too brainwashed to understand so whatever YOU choose to do means nothing to me.
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                              • Author by Johaely (January 13, 2012 3:22 pm ET)
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                                They are actually doing it just to scare you. How's that? You don't seem to understand, but La Raza is not an immigration group. They address immigration issues just the same way NOW addresses gay rights issues.
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                                • Author by jamesB (January 13, 2012 3:31 pm ET)
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                                  i understand completely, and i have already told you.
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                                  • Author by kabniel (January 13, 2012 3:37 pm ET)
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                                    james

                                    No you dont understand and no you didnt tell him. You spewed a couple of delusional fantasies based on what you were TOLD to believe and what you WISH were true.
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                                    • Author by fvrnite7537 (January 13, 2012 5:29 pm ET)
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                                      Simply put there is a fear campaign from certain sections of America where at one La Raza rally some years ago had demonstrators who did express their " gringo go home" and " we reclaim this as our lands" signs and slogans, and the certain groups have made hay out of that ever since.

                                      Its a fear-inducing rhetoric where the current immigration group is being targeted. This was done in American history with the Irish, the Italians and pretty much every other incoming mass of specific immigrants.

                                      I'm not for illegal immigration, but I understand the reasons why they risk it to be here. One of the problems of illegals is that they are unfortunately the victims of unscrupulous people on both sides of the border and they are afraid to go to the police for help. As with any group,you have good and bad people.

                                      But this boogeyman Hispanic "invasion" claim is garbage and feeds on the insecurity of certain Caucasians.
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                                  • Author by Johaely (January 13, 2012 3:54 pm ET)
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                                    The fact that you are still hung up on the immigration part says otherwise. In fact, the fact that you jumped to a very specific conclusion when it came to immigration says something (and not good).
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                                    • Author by jamesB (January 13, 2012 4:32 pm ET)
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                                      just like la raza, i am not "hung up" on immigration at all. what i am "hung up" on is ILLEGAL immigration. you are also leaving out that pesky little word, hmm?
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                                      • Author by jonimacaroni1 (January 13, 2012 4:42 pm ET)
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                                        Stop feeding the troll.

                                        He's clearly just being a troll here. Remember the Urban dictionary's definition of a troll?


                                        One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument.

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                                      • Author by Johaely (January 13, 2012 5:00 pm ET)
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                                        Immigration is immigration. That is what matters to them. They represent Hispanics. That's it. Whether documented or not. You assume they are for open borders because they don't make distinction between legal and illegal immigration. You keep hanging on that thread.
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                                        • Author by jamesB (January 13, 2012 5:07 pm ET)
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                                          so they have no interest in immigration? they are only interested in hispanics? is that what you're saying?
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                                          • Author by kabniel (January 13, 2012 5:12 pm ET)
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                                            james

                                            Is it NEWS to you that there have been hispanics in the west for AT least as long as white people? That many hispanic families were living here BEFORE we were even a nation? Do you think immigration is the only civil rights issue for hispanics? WAIT, what am I saying, of COURSE you dont think. What I mean is what did Rush TELL you to think about immigration being the only hispanic civil rights issue
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                                            • Author by jamesB (January 13, 2012 5:14 pm ET)
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                                              tell that to la raza then, their website is chock full of "anti_immigration" stuff. don't be an idiot.
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                                              • Author by kabniel (January 13, 2012 5:17 pm ET)
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                                                james

                                                Considering how incredibly stupid YOU are that was funny. I didnt say it wasnt AN issue. I just pointed out it isnt the ONLY issue. My GOD but you are stupid. I guess that is why you are so brainwashed. You know how stupid you are so you just let Rush do ALL your thinking for you
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                                          • Author by Johaely (January 13, 2012 5:26 pm ET)
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                                            No. That isn't at all what i'm saying.
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          • Author by kabniel (January 13, 2012 2:54 pm ET)
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            james

            You are a LIAR. You dont read minds. They dont SAY they are for open borders but you just KNOW they are in that way that complete imbeciles convince themselves that their delusional fantasies are somehow reality. You are pathtetic james.
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          • Author by n'est-ce pas (January 13, 2012 4:49 pm ET)
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            because i don't swallow press releases or website mission statements from organizations who cutesy it up to divert from their real mission
            Yeah, everyone here knows what you swallow, you coy little Koch-sucker, you.
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            • Author by jamesB (January 13, 2012 4:52 pm ET)
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              a little gay bashing slur there, huh? stings to be made to look like a fool, huh? not your day there sweetheart.
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              • Author by n'est-ce pas (January 13, 2012 4:54 pm ET)
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                Gay bashing? Are you gay? Because I just figured you'd do anything for a buck, based upon your tenure here. That's not a question of sexual orientation, that's just an indication of your inability to think for yourself. Love the "sweetheart" though. Nummy.
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                • Author by jamesB (January 13, 2012 4:59 pm ET)
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                  if i am, you just typed a gay bashing slur. if i'm not, you just typed a gay bashing slur. you said it, own it. it's just more evidence of your phoniness. i will reprint your slur next time you post about bigots or bigotry and about your distaste for it. because you've just proved that is what you are. good one.
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                  • Author by Johaely (January 13, 2012 5:02 pm ET)
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                    C0ck sucker isn't a homophobic slur. Vulgar? Yes Homophobic? No. Now, If he had said "f***t" or "f@iry", that would have been homophobic.
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                    • Author by jamesB (January 13, 2012 5:08 pm ET)
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                      nice rescue try, but n'est-ce pas is a bigot, he just gay bashed. i thought the left was all aghast at that stuff? i guess not.
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                      • Author by kabniel (January 13, 2012 5:13 pm ET)
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                        james

                        No he isnt a bigot, unless he is bigoted against ignorant trollscum, but YOU are a liar.
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                      • Author by n'est-ce pas (January 13, 2012 5:16 pm ET)
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                        Aw, sad stupid clown, maybe it's because you don't understand the reference. See, Koch-sucker is in regards to the hilarious mispronunciation of the surname of the Koch brothers, famous anarcho-capitalist billionaires who have ably championed wingnut causes all over America to the benefit of their diverse business holdings. Koch-sucker was a slur directed at people like Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker, who was exposed as a crony of the Koch brothers last year during a prank call in which a blogger pretended to be a Koch brother and implicated Walker in some fairly unsavory activity. Calling you a Koch-sucker is a natural fit, what with your constant championing of the worst excesses of large corporations over the interests of your own country.

                        So you're a Koch-sucker. Own it. It doesn't have anything to do with what you do in the bedroom. There. do you understand now? No? Of course you don't because you're the dumbest, most dishonest troll on this site, always have been, always will be. So please do repost this thread. Please, please, please, please! Repost it every single time you see me post something. Because I think it's friggin' hilarious, and I think everyone else will too (excepting those who think like you, that is).
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                        • Author by jamesB (January 13, 2012 5:22 pm ET)
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                          ooooh, somebody is really angry now. that's what got you in trouble a few posts above, and it unfortunately revealed you're an anti-gay bigoted homophobe. better watch that, next time you risk revealing your a racist or a sexist.
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                          • Author by n'est-ce pas (January 13, 2012 5:40 pm ET)
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                            Oh, I think it's pretty clear who's the bigot, tommy. When you said that it was okay to disencranchise voters who relied upon government assistance and typically voted Democratic, you revealed yourself. No parsing required.
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                            • Author by jamesB (January 13, 2012 5:47 pm ET)
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                              i said it was "okay to disenfranchise voters", i said that? you know, if you're going to lie out of angry desperation, better not link to what i actually said - now you're a liar. not. your. day.
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                      • Author by Johaely (January 13, 2012 5:34 pm ET)
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                        Oh great the old "If y'all are so tolerant, why aren't you tolerating my insults"?
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                  • Author by n'est-ce pas (January 13, 2012 5:04 pm ET)
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                    No, I typed a Koch-sucker slur. Which is you. A Kock-sucking anarcho-capitalist who would do ANYTHING to please his corporate masters. But you go ahead and repost this thread. Please GOD repost this thread. Because I'm willing to bet you dollars to donuts that everyone here who's familiar with your oeuvre will think it's hilarious. I know I do.
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                    • Author by jamesB (January 13, 2012 5:11 pm ET)
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                      nah, can't buy it, sorry. you just outed yourself because your petty anger got the best of you. that's what happened. not only have you revealed yourself to be a phony, now you're a bigot as well. and look at all the liberals rushing to explain it. more evidence of your bigotry. sorry pardner.
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                      • Author by kabniel (January 13, 2012 5:15 pm ET)
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                        james

                        GOD but you are stupid. The fact gays or gay sex exists isnt a slur. Mentioning it isnt a slur against gays. He was just saying you are a whore. If you were a woman the insult would have been the same. Dance, wiggle, spin, keep up your desperation. It doesnt wash
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                        • Author by jamesB (January 13, 2012 5:19 pm ET)
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                          lol! that's the best one yet. nope, he used it as a derogatory slur, a putdown. the textbook definition of a gay slur, meaning he is anti-gay and a bigot. no question. it's all there, so you can try and delete it and then lie he never said it.
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                          • Author by kabniel (January 13, 2012 5:23 pm ET)
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                            james

                            I am sorry you are so stupid. The derogatory part was calling you a whore. Nothing in his post was denigrating gays or saying there was anything wrong with BEING gay.

                            That is probably something YOU would do. Unlike YOU I am not a liar. You on the other hand are a proven liar. You can keep repeating the same thing over and over till the mountains crumble into dust. Repitition will never make it true
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                            • Author by jamesB (January 13, 2012 5:26 pm ET)
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                              The derogatory part was calling you a whore.

                              really? well then i missed it, because i don't see "whore" in there anywhere? do you?
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                              • Author by kabniel (January 13, 2012 5:30 pm ET)
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                                james

                                Sure you missed it. You really are that stupid. No one with a functional brainpan missed it though.
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                      • Author by n'est-ce pas (January 13, 2012 5:30 pm ET)
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                        There're them ruby slippers again. Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth, right tommy?

                        You know why you've never gotten any traction here? Because the misinformation tactics that work on mouthbreathers who think like you don't work on educated people. So when you try to work your mojo and confuse the issues, you always fall flat because nobody here ever buys your bunk.

                        So please do repeat your claim that I'm a bigot. I've got no worries about anyone taking your seriously. But I look forward to beating the sh!t out of you (rhetorically, tommy; wouldn't want you to go around saying I threatened your life....). Make. My. Day.
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                        • Author by jamesB (January 13, 2012 5:35 pm ET)
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                          from revealing anger to pathetic desperation, your path from a phony to a homophobe all in one afternoon. and with no help from me, only your loose fingers, twisted up rhetoric, and soulless disrespect for those with a specific sexual orientation. you didn't make my day. you made your own bed. now lie in it.
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                          • Author by n'est-ce pas (January 13, 2012 5:42 pm ET)
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                            Okay, boo. You go on thinking you got me in checkmate. I know better, everyone else knows better, but that's alright. When has being so persistently wrong ever stopped you from pasting up your idiocy all over this site for everyone to see. Good luck with that.
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                            • Author by jamesB (January 13, 2012 5:48 pm ET)
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                              ya, you got kabniel up to bat for you? you can have him, really you can!
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                          • Author by kabniel (January 13, 2012 5:49 pm ET)
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                            james

                            You are a LIAR. Nothing homophobic was said. You just LIKE to lie so you keep repeating the lie
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                  • Author by kabniel (January 13, 2012 5:08 pm ET)
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                    james

                    You are a LIAR. Which everyone already knew. There was no gay bashing there. The criticism of you was in the context of you being whore, not gay, nothing in that post would denigrate gays. It would be the same snipy comment if you were a woman.
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                    • Author by jamesB (January 13, 2012 5:09 pm ET)
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                      nope, no sell. i thought liberals hated bigotry and didn't rush to rationalize it's use? i guess not.
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                      • Author by kabniel (January 13, 2012 5:20 pm ET)
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                        james

                        Look try to remember how stupid you are. We dont see being gay AS a slur or there being anything wrong with it. So mentioning it isnt a slur. I get that bigoted MORONS like you cant understand this. Then again as stupid as you are you cant understand anything. He was calling you a whore. The same snipe would have worked had you been a woman. Nothing derogatory of gays was said.

                        See not only are you stupid you are a bigot so you think mentioning being gay at all is a slur. It isnt. Thats all he did. You really are pathetic and have no ability for critical thinking whatsoever. This repeating the same thing over and over BEGGING us to think the repitition makes it true is just sad. You are pitiful
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                        • Author by jamesB (January 13, 2012 5:24 pm ET)
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                          mentioning it, like in passing you mean? oh so, the bigot above was just passing by and decided to mention a gay sex act? well, that makes sense.
                          see how stupid you look when you keep trying to defend a bigot?
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                          • Author by kabniel (January 13, 2012 5:28 pm ET)
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                            james

                            Yeah it was the context of calling you a whore. I know I am wasting my time trying to explain anything to a mindless moron like you but the context was you being a whore for the Kock bros. The anarcho libertarian moron billionaires. The fact your nick is male is the only thing that made you being a whore into anything having a peripheral connection with homosexuality. Nothing deragatory about gays was said.

                            He isnt a bigot because you keep desperatly repeating over and over that he is. You havent even tried to MAKE an argument about why what he said was derogatory to gays. You are stupid james. I get that your desperate repitition is all you can have since actual thinking is far beyond your capabilities but its pretty pathetic
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                            • Author by jamesB (January 13, 2012 5:32 pm ET)
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                              You havent even tried to MAKE an argument about why what he said was derogatory to gays

                              so, calling someone a "Koch-sucker" is not a derogatory slur? you are drowning, but keep at it if you want.
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                              • Author by kabniel (January 13, 2012 5:51 pm ET)
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                                james

                                My GOD but you are stupid. Yeah it is derogatory but not to GAY people. You do know that women also perform that sexual act. You might not since I cant imagine any self respecting female would go near you unless it involved cash or credit but trust me they do. Calling YOU a whore isnt demeaning to gays. Keep pretending that YOU being stupid is a reflexion on me. The saddest thing is that isnt even your most ignorant delusion
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                                • Author by jamesB (January 13, 2012 6:44 pm ET)
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                                  hey, if you condone using a gay slur in a derogatory fashion then own it. stop dancing around it trying to excuse it with the most ridiculous rationalizations you can think up.
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                                  • Author by kabniel (January 13, 2012 6:49 pm ET)
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                                    james

                                    You are a LIAR. That didnt happen. You repeating over and over it did will not change reality. What YOU need to own is your seeming need to lie constantly. Along with your delusion that if you repeat a lie often enough it will magically become true
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                                  • Author by highlyunlikely (January 13, 2012 6:51 pm ET)
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                                    james, who has spent so much time today cheating his actual employer by posting here that he almost feels guilty about it, coordinates his watch with the wall clock as he prepares to conclude another work week.
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                                  • Author by Johaely (January 13, 2012 6:56 pm ET)
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                                    I love how you are capable of seeing people's intentions better than they themselves can.
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                                    • Author by highlyunlikely (January 13, 2012 7:21 pm ET)
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                                      I wish everything were as easy as reading jim's alleged mind.
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              • Author by fvrnite7537 (January 13, 2012 5:33 pm ET)
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                Interestingly enough Jamie, females also suck penises, but that is aside the point that you inferred " Kock-sucker" was a "gay bashing slur".

                You do seem to see things that aren't there.
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                • Author by jamesB (January 13, 2012 5:38 pm ET)
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                  lol. that is so incredibly laughable it isn't worthy of a response. that's like calling a black person a "monkey" and then defending by saying "interestingly enough, there are also animals called monkeys".
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                  • Author by kabniel (January 13, 2012 5:56 pm ET)
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                    james

                    See there it is. This is why you are so STUPID you cant get this. Calling a black person a monkey is derogatory obviously. That is comparing him to an animal. You seem to think that calling you on being a whore which would INVOLVE you engaging in a gay sex act is an insult to gays. You COULD say that comparing YOU to any rational adult is comparable to comparing a black person to a monkey since you are stupider than most simians but that is another issue. There isnt anything WRONG with being gay. He wasnt insulting you by saying you are gay. He was insulting you by saying you were a whore. The point wasnt that you were less than because you are gay, no one knows you are gay. It isnt necessary for you to BE gay to be a whore. Its after all about the MONEY not the sex and THAT is the point.

                    The bottom line here is that you are just too stupid to understand pretty much anything
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                  • Author by Johaely (January 13, 2012 6:32 pm ET)
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                    C0ck sucker is more often than not used as an insult made out of anger and regardless of gender.
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                    • Author by jamesB (January 13, 2012 6:38 pm ET)
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                      you're right, unless it's a derogatory slur. then it's bigotry.
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                      • Author by kabniel (January 13, 2012 6:51 pm ET)
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                        james

                        If you mean bigoted against ignorant, lying trollscum like YOU maybe. It is however in no way derogatory against gay people. Beyond associating a pathetic weasel like YOU with gays. You are a liar james
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                      • Author by Johaely (January 13, 2012 6:55 pm ET)
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                        No, its just a vulgar insult. It's like saying calling somebody a dick is a display of misandry.
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      • Author by kabniel (January 13, 2012 2:51 pm ET)
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        james

        Translation from wingnut=I will tell a whole bunch of lies that Rush told me to think because I am stupid and just love to lie about the left.

        Actually that is about half of james schtick
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    • Author by eweston8542983 (January 13, 2012 11:53 am ET)
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      Squishy feel good baloney, a national tragedy, fer shure.
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    • Author by kamrom (January 13, 2012 1:36 pm ET)
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      "Conservatives have long described the civil rights group as "the Ku Klux Klan Of The Hispanic People.""

      To be absolutely fair, conservatives would be the ones to know what the KKK looked like.
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      • Author by fvrnite7537 (January 13, 2012 5:37 pm ET)
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        True, conservatives are not known for defending the civil rights of minorities.

        You might want to remember also that the KKK was anti-Catholic when the various Catholic immigrants of Europe came to America, including the Irish after the Great Potato Famine.

        I've never heard of La Raza hanging people,burning crosses on lawns or any such thing the KKK was notorious for.
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