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Media Myth That Cutting Taxes Boosts Revenue Revived For 2012

January 26, 2012 1:21 pm ET — 343 Comments

CBS treated claims from Newt Gingrich and Mitt Romney that the tax cuts they have proposed would increase federal tax revenue as an open question. In fact, the myth that tax cuts increase revenues has been flatly rejected by economists across the ideological spectrum, including Romney adviser and former George W. Bush chief economist Gregory Mankiw and several others who served in the Bush administration.

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CBS Presents Question Of Tax Cuts Increasing Revenue As He Said/She Said

CBS Airs Gingrich Claim That By Lowering Taxes His Plan Will Increase Tax Revenues. From the January 25 edition of CBS Evening News:

DEAN REYNOLDS (correspondent): Gingrich is convinced that reducing or eliminating all these taxes will actually raise revenues for the government by stimulating investment and expanding business.

REYNOLDS [video clip]: If you lowered taxes, you're going to increase revenues?

GINGRICH [video clip]: Sure. Which we know worked. When we cut the capital gains tax in the 90s, the revenue went up dramatically. When we cut taxes in the 80s, we had an explosion of 16 million new jobs. [CBS, CBS Evening News, 1/25/12]

CBS' Pelley Points To Report That GOP Tax Plan Would Increase Deficit, Then Says The Candidates Argue Cutting Taxes Actually Increases Revenue. From the January 25 edition of CBS Evening News:

SCOTT PELLEY (anchor): We wondered if the federal deficit might increase under the Romney and Gingrich plans, so we talked to the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center in Washington. It estimates that if the Bush tax cuts stay in place, the Romney plan would add $180 billion to the deficit in the year 2015. The Gingrich plan would add $850 billion that year. But remember, the candidates argue that cutting taxes would create so many businesses and jobs that ultimately there would be more tax revenue, not less. [CBS, CBS Evening News, 1/25/12]

For previous examples of the media promoting the myth that tax cuts increase tax revenues, see here, here, herehere, here, here, and here.

But Even Romney Adviser Mankiw Says Neither Capital Gains Nor Income Tax Cuts Increase Revenues ...

Bush CEA Chair Mankiw: Claim That Broad-Based Income Tax Cuts Increase Revenue Is Not "Credible," Capital Income Tax Cuts Also Don't Pay For Themselves. Economist Greg Mankiw, who also served as chair of the Bush Council of Economic Advisers (CEA), wrote on his blog on July 2, 2007:

I used the phrase "charlatans and cranks" in the first edition of my principles textbook to describe some of the economic advisers to Ronald Reagan, who told him that broad-based income tax cuts would have such large supply-side effects that the tax cuts would raise tax revenue. I did not find such a claim credible, based on the available evidence. I never have, and I still don't.

[...]

My other work has remained consistent with this view. In a paper on dynamic scoring, written while I was working at the White House, Matthew Weinzierl and I estimated that a broad-based income tax cut (applying to both capital and labor income) would recoup only about a quarter of the lost revenue through supply-side growth effects. For a cut in capital income taxes, the feedback is larger--about 50 percent--but still well under 100 percent. A chapter on dynamic scoring in the 2004 Economic Report of the President says about the the [sic] same thing. [Greg Mankiw, 7/2/07]

Mankiw's 2005 Paper: "In Almost All Cases, Tax Cuts Are Partly Self-Financing." In their 2005 paper, "Dynamic Scoring: A Back-of-the-Envelope Guide," Mankiw and Harvard University economist Matthew Weinzierl sought to answer the question, "To what extent does a tax cut pay for itself?" and concluded:

In all of the models considered here, the dynamic response of the economy to tax changes is too large to be ignored. In almost all cases, tax cuts are partly self-financing. This is especially true for cuts in capital income taxes. [Dynamic Scoring: A Back-of-the-Envelope Guide, 12/12/05]

Mankiw Is A "Top Economic Adviser" To Romney. On January 19, National Journal reported:

Romney issued a 59-point economic plan with fanfare last September. The platform contradicts landmark findings on monetary and housing policies published in 2011 by his top two economic advisers: Glenn Hubbard, the dean of Columbia University's business school; and N. Gregory Mankiw, a Harvard University professor and the author of the nation's most widely used college economics textbook. [National Journal, 1/19/12]

... As Do A Who's Who Of George W. Bush Administration Economic Officials ...

Bush-Appointed Federal Reserve Chair Bernanke: "I Don't Think That As A General Rule Tax Cuts Pay For Themselves." In his April 27, 2006, testimony before the Joint Economic Committee, Federal Reserve chairman Ben Bernanke had the following exchange:

SEN. JACK REED (D-RI): Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you for your testimony today. And just in line with the question about the effect of tax cuts, the former chairman of the Council of Economic Advisors, Greg Mankiw, wrote in his macroeconomic textbook that there is no credible evidence that tax cuts pay for themselves and that an economists [sic] who makes such a claim is -- quote -- "a snake oil salesman who is trying to sell a miracle cure." Do you agree with that?

BERNANKE: I don't think that as a general rule tax cuts pay for themselves. What I have argued instead is that to the extent the tax cuts produce greater efficiency or greater growth, they will partially offset the losses in revenues. The degree to which that offset occurs depends on how well-designed the tax cut is. [Joint Economic Committee hearing, 4/27/06, emphasis added]

Bush Treasury Secretary Paulson: "As A General Rule, I Don't Believe That Tax Cuts Pay For Themselves." During his June 26, 2006, confirmation hearing before the Senate Finance Committee, Hank Paulson had the following exchange:

SEN. KENT CONRAD (D-ND): Let me just, before I ask you directly what your view is, show you the historical record here, what we have seen since 2000 in terms of the real revenues of the country.

Real revenues in 2000 were over $2 trillion and then we had the massive tax cuts in 2001. We were told that that would generate more revenue; at least some made that claim.

We can see what happens in the real world. We didn't get more revenue. And we had more large tax cuts in 2003. Again, we were told we'd get more revenue and, again, what we saw in the real world is it didn't happen.

I'd ask you, what is your view? Do you believe that tax cuts pay for themselves?

PAULSON: Senator, no. As a general rule, I don't believe that tax cuts pay for themselves.

But I have clearly seen -- and I think some of those people you've quoted would say the same thing -- I've seen that tax cuts change behavior. There's no doubt.

And there's no doubt, I can remember very clearly what it was like running a Wall Street firm in 2001. The bubble had burst. We were in a recession. We'd had the terrorist attack September 11th. And I watched the tax cuts add to consumer confidence, investor confidence, market confidence, CEO confidence, and I watched it change behavior. So there's no doubt about that. [Senate Finance Committee hearing, 6/26/06, via Nexis, emphasis added]

Bush Treasury Secretary Snow Reportedly Acknowledged Tax Reductions Don't Pay For Themselves. In May 2006, Knight-Ridder Newspapers reported of then-Treasury Secretary John Snow:

Treasury Secretary John Snow conceded Tuesday that the much-touted tax cuts for capital gains and dividend income don't drive today's strong economy. Asked by Knight Ridder if the tax reductions paid for themselves, Snow acknowledged that they don't. [Knight-Ridder, 5/21/06, via Nexis]

Bush OMB Director Nussle: "Some Say That [The Tax Cut] Was A Total Loss. Some Say They Totally Pay For Themselves. It's Neither Extreme." In a November 2007 editorial, The Washington Post reported:

TAX CUTS don't pay for themselves. This might sound like dog-bites-man news, except for one thing: This rather unremarkable statement comes from Jim Nussle, the new director of the Office of Management and Budget in an administration whose president is given to saying things like "You cut taxes, and the tax revenues increase" (February 2006) and "We have cut taxes, causing economic growth, which caused there to be this year alone 187 billion more tax dollars coming into the Treasury" (August 2007).

As Mr. Nussle acknowledges, "There are those including myself who ... in the passion of the argument have made statements -- I think I even made a statement once -- that tax relief did pay for itself." In fact, Mr. Nussle said yesterday at a breakfast with reporters sponsored by the Christian Science Monitor, "Some say that [the tax cut] was a total loss. Some say they totally pay for themselves. It's neither extreme." [The Washington Post, 11/15/07]

Bush CEA Chairman Lazear: "As A General Rule, We Do Not Think Tax Cuts Pay For Themselves." During September 2006 testimony before the Senate Budget Committee, then-Council of Economic Advisers chairman Edward Lazear said:

Will the tax cuts pay for themselves? As a general rule, we do not think tax cuts pay for themselves. Certainly, the data presented above do not support this claim. Tax revenues in 2006 appear to have recovered to the level seen at this point in previous business cycles, but this does not make up for the lost revenue during 2003, 2004, and 2005. The tax cuts were a positive step and have contributed to the enhanced economic growth, additional jobs, higher real disposable income, and the low unemployment rates that we currently see today. Our goal is not to maximize the size of government, but to provide revenues to make sure that we can operate those programs that society deems necessary, while at the same time allowing the private sector to take full advantage of its growth potential. [Senate Budget Committee hearing, 9/28/06]

Bush Economic Adviser Samwick: "Tax Cuts Have Not Fueled Record Revenues." In a January 2007 blog post titled, "New Year's Plea," Andrew Samwick, former chief economist for George W. Bush's Council on Economic Advisers, wrote:

You [in the Bush administration] are smart people. You know that the tax cuts have not fueled record revenues. You know what it takes to establish causality. You know that the first order effect of cutting taxes is to lower tax revenues. We all agree that the ultimate reduction in tax revenues can be less than this first order effect, because lower tax rates encourage greater economic activity and thus expand the tax base. No thoughtful person believes that this possible offset more than compensated for the first effect for these tax cuts. Not a single one. [Vox Baby, 1/3/07]

Bush Economic Adviser Viard: "Federal Revenue Is Lower Today Than It Would Have Been Without The Tax Cuts." In an October 2006 article, The Washington Post reported:

"Federal revenue is lower today than it would have been without the tax cuts. There's really no dispute among economists about that," said Alan D. Viard, a former Bush White House economist now at the nonpartisan American Enterprise Institute. "It's logically possible" that a tax cut could spur sufficient economic growth to pay for itself, Viard said. "But there's no evidence that these tax cuts would come anywhere close to that." [The Washington Post, 10/17/06]

Bush Treasury Official Carroll: "We Do Not Think Tax Cuts Pay For Themselves." The Post further reported:

Robert Carroll, deputy assistant Treasury secretary for tax analysis, said neither the president nor anyone else in the administration is claiming that tax cuts alone produced the unexpected surge in revenue. "As a matter of principle, we do not think tax cuts pay for themselves," Carroll said.

But, he said, "we do think good tax policy can lead to important economic benefits. ... The size of the tax base is larger than it would have been without the tax relief." [The Washington Post, 10/17/06]

... And Other Economists From Across The Ideological Spectrum ...

Reagan Chief Economist Feldstein: "It's Not That You Get More Revenue By Lowering Tax Rates, It Is That You Don't Lose As Much." The New York Times reported on March 26, 2008:

While Mr. Laffer insists that tax revenue will rise when tax rates are cut, other supply-siders are less categorical. Martin Feldstein, a Harvard economist who was the first chairman of President Reagan's Council of Economic Advisers and now supports Senator McCain, estimates that a 10 percent tax cut would in fact reduce tax revenue -- but only by 3 to 5 percent.

"It is not that you get more revenue by lowering tax rates, it is that you don't lose as much," he said. [The New York Times, 3/26/08]

  • Feldstein In 1986: "Hyperbole" That Reagan Tax Cut "Would Actually Increase Tax Revenue." In a 1986 paper, Feldstein wrote:

The "new" supply siders were much more extravagant in their claims. They projected rapid growth, dramatic increases in tax revenue, a sharp rise in saving, and a relatively painless reduction in inflation. The height of supply side hyperbole was the "Laffer curve" proposition that the tax cut would actually increase tax revenue because it would unleash an enormously depressed supply of effort.

[...]

I have no doubt that the loose talk of the supply side extremists gave fundamentally good policies a bad name and led to quantitative mistakes that not only contributed to subsequent budget deficits but that also made it more difficult to modify policy when those deficits became apparent. [Supply Side Economics: Old Truths And New Claims, January 1986]

Conservative Economist Holtz-Eakin: "No Serious Research Evidence" Suggests Tax Cuts Pay For Themselves." During a 2010 interview, American Action Forum president Douglas Holtz-Eakin, formerly Congressional Budget Office director and an adviser to the McCain 2008 presidential campaign, said:

I have never been in the camp that believes that quote 'tax cuts pay for themselves.' There is no serious research evidence to suggest that. The work we've done on what would happen if you were to sort of raise or lower taxes suggest about a 20 to 30 percent offset, depending on how you do it. And I think that's in the mainstream of the thought. [Think Progress, 8/5/10, emphasis in original]

Krugman: After Reagan's 1981 Tax Cuts, "Revenues Are Permanently Reduced Relative To What They Would Otherwise Have Been." In a July 2010 post on his New York Times blog, Nobel Prize-winning economist Paul Krugman wrote:

[T]he revenue track under Reagan looks a lot like the track under Bush: a drop in revenues, then a resumption of growth, but no return to the previous trend.

This is exactly what you would expect to see if supply-side economics were just plain wrong: revenues are permanently reduced relative to what they would otherwise have been. [The New York Times7/15/10]

Clinton Economist Frankel: Reagan and Bush Tax Cuts "Contributed To Record US Budget Deficits." Harvard economist and former Clinton economic adviser Jeffrey Frankel wrote in 2008:

The Laffer Proposition, while theoretically possible under certain conditions, does not apply to US income tax rates: a cut in those rates reduces revenue, precisely as common sense would indicate. As detailed in the paper, this was the outcome of the two big experiments of recent decades: the Reagan tax cuts of 1981-83 and the Bush tax cuts of 2001-03, both of which contributed to record US budget deficits. It is also the conclusion of more systematic scholarly studies based on more extensive data. Finally, it is the view of almost all professional economists, including the illustrious economic advisers to Presidents Reagan and Bush. So thorough is the discrediting of the Laffer Hypothesis, that many deny that these two presidents or their top officials could have ever believed such a thing. But abundant quotes suggest that they did. [Snake-Oil Tax Cuts, 9/8/08]

EPI: Bush Tax Cuts "Added $2.6 Trillion To The Public Debt Over 2001-10." In a September 26, 2011, article, Andrew Fieldhouse of the Economic Policy Institute (EPI) wrote:

A spending-cuts-only approach is regressive in that it forces the brunt of deficit reduction on the backs of poor and working families while ignoring a prime culprit of the budget deficit: the expensive, ineffective, and unfair Bush-era tax cuts. These top-heavy tax cuts added $2.6 trillion to the public debt over 2001-10 and will add $3.8 trillion to deficits over the next decade if fully continued. [EPI, 9/26/11]

Tax Foundation's Prante: "A Stretch" To Claim "Cutting Capital Gains Taxes Raises Tax Revenues." In an April 2008 blog post, the Tax Foundation's Gerald Prante responded as follows to then-ABC World News anchor Charles Gibson's statement that "history shows that when you drop the capital gains tax, the revenues go up":

Gibson's implying that cutting capital gains taxes raises tax revenues by the mere time series correlation he cited was a stretch. Much of the short-run response to changes in the capital gains tax rate are for tax timing purposes. This is a well-known fact, and it is why CBO projects a huge spike in capital gains collections in 2010 (the last year of the scheduled low 15% rate on long-term gains) and thereby also a large decline in 2011 (when the rate on long-term gains is scheduled to revert to 20%) under current law. There is no doubt some revenue feedback will occur over the long-run from lower capital gains tax rates spurring investment, but most estimates would say that we are currently on the left side of the Laffer Curve with respect to capital gains. [Tax Foundation's Tax Policy Blog, 4/17/08]

Bartlett: Revenue Has Been Historically Low Because "Taxes Were Cut In 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004 and 2006." In a July 26, 2011, New York Times blog post, Bruce Bartlett, former policy adviser to Presidents Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush, wrote:

In a previous post, I noted that federal taxes as a share of gross domestic product were at their lowest level in generations. The Congressional Budget Office expects revenue to be just 14.8 percent of G.D.P. this year; the last year it was lower was 1950, when revenue amounted to 14.4 percent of G.D.P.

But revenue has been below 15 percent of G.D.P. since 2009, and the last time we had three years in a row when revenue as a share of G.D.P. was that low was 1941 to 1943.

Revenue has averaged 18 percent of G.D.P. since 1970 and a little more than that in the postwar era. At a similar stage in previous business cycles, two years past the trough, revenue was considerably higher: 18 percent of G.D.P. in 1977 after the 1973-75 recession; 17.3 percent of G.D.P. in 1984 after the 1981-82 recession, and 17.5 percent of G.D.P. in 1993 after the 1990-91 recession. Revenue was markedly lower, however, at this point after the 2001 recession and was just 16.2 percent of G.D.P. in 2003.

The reason, of course, is that taxes were cut in 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004 and 2006. [The New York Times7/26/11]

... And Media Outlets And Fact-Checkers

Time: "Tax Cuts Don't Boost Revenues." In a December 2007 article titled, "Tax Cuts Don't Boost Revenues," Time magazine asserted that "economists agree" that the idea that tax cuts raise revenues is "false." From the article:

If there's one thing that Republican politicians agree on, it's that slashing taxes brings the government more money. "You cut taxes, and the tax revenues increase," President Bush said in a speech last year. Keeping taxes low, Vice President Dick Cheney explained in a recent interview, "does produce more revenue for the Federal Government." Presidential candidate John McCain declared in March that "tax cuts ... as we all know, increase revenues." His rival Rudy Giuliani couldn't agree more. "I know that reducing taxes produces more revenues," he intones in a new TV ad.

If there's one thing that economists agree on, it's that these claims are false. We're not talking just ivory-tower lefties. Virtually every economics Ph.D. who has worked in a prominent role in the Bush Administration acknowledges that the tax cuts enacted during the past six years have not paid for themselves--and were never intended to. Harvard professor Greg Mankiw, chairman of Bush's Council of Economic Advisers from 2003 to 2005, even devotes a section of his best-selling economics textbook to debunking the claim that tax cuts increase revenues. [Time12/6/07]

The Economist: "No Serious Economist Believes Mr Bush's Tax Cuts Will Pay For Themselves." A January 2006 Economist editorial stated:

A surprising rise in tax revenue last year has pushed this chutzpah even further. Mr Bush last week implied that the supply-side fantasy might hold after all: tax cuts do pay for themselves. "There's a mindset in Washington that says, you cut the taxes, we're going to have less money to spend," he noted contemptuously, before claiming that recent experience suggested otherwise.

Even by the standards of political boosterism, this is extraordinary. No serious economist believes Mr Bush's tax cuts will pay for themselves. A recent study from the Congressional Budget Office suggested that, after ten years, up to one-third of the cost of a 10% cut in income taxes can be recouped from higher economic growth. That fraction may be higher for cuts in taxes on capital alone. But it is nowhere near 100%. [The Economist1/12/06]

FactCheck.org: "Revenues Would Have Been Even Higher Without [The Bush Tax Cuts]." FactCheck.org concluded on June 11, 2007, that "it is clear" the Bush tax cuts of 2001 and 2003 "did not 'increase revenues'" as Sen. John McCain had claimed. The post further stated:

The Congressional Budget Office, the Treasury Department, the Joint Committee on Taxation, the White House's Council of Economic Advisers and a former Bush administration economist all say that tax cuts lead to revenues that are lower than they otherwise would have been -- even if they spur some economic growth. [FactCheck.org, 6/11/07]

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    • Author by ThomasJH268 (January 26, 2012 1:28 pm ET)
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      Next FOXPAC will start saying that the Bush tax cuts came close to totally eliminating the debt. And, of course, their zombie followers will believe it bacause everyone without a brain knows FOXPAC doesn't lie
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    • Author by Liberal in the South (January 26, 2012 1:38 pm ET)
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      No Serious Economist Believes Mr Bush's Tax Cuts Will Pay For Themselves.

      However a bunch of non-economists (Bolling, F&F etc) will continue to push this lie to millions of sponges sucking up any old crap.
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      • Author by Conchobhar (January 26, 2012 4:52 pm ET)
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        I've heard Kyl speak on this, and it's appropriate he looks kind of like a Neanderthal, although they couldn't have survived as long as they did under such tough conditions if they were as stupid as he appears to be.
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      • Author by chazmanr (January 27, 2012 11:25 am ET)
           
        Those who can't do, teach. Those who can't teach, teach gym. Those who can't teach gym, work for Fox.

        Apologies to any teachers.
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      • Author by curiousindependent (January 27, 2012 5:39 pm ET)
           
        It is apparently clear to all of those FOX-watching geniuses that if they take a pay-cut, they will make more money.
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    • Author by nerzog (January 26, 2012 1:42 pm ET)
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      The Republicans have been running fact-free campaigns for years; why stop now?
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    • Author by nerzog (January 26, 2012 1:44 pm ET)
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      Wouldn't it be nice if the "Liberal Media" would actually confront these lies? I'm still waiting for them to notice that Bush's tax cuts didn't create any jobs, either.
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    • Author by jamesB (January 26, 2012 1:55 pm ET)
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      cbs presented what the candidates say and then countered that with what the nonpartisan tax policy center said. fair and balanced. i guess mmfa is now only happy when one side, their side, is presented.
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      • Author by Martinking68 (January 26, 2012 2:29 pm ET)
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        I think MMFA didn't like Pelley was giving what they say credence because it is rather silly to believe all those cuts will actually raise revenues. I don't agree that he was giving it credence, but I suppose MMFA felt it was wrong to put baseless claims alongside scientific studies to try to be fair and balanced and not be accuse of "liberal bias". That is not fair and balanced. Balanced? yes, but not fair. However, I agree that what Pelley did was no big deal.
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        • Author by jamesB (January 26, 2012 2:35 pm ET)
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          this was responsible journalism in my book. pelley and cbs didn't lower it to the cable talk radio version of issues - where all they do is let partisans from both sides scream out their proposals the way they want them presented. pelley didn't just have some democratic spokesperson on that to challenge it, he actually went to a nonpartisan source. i have no idea what mmfa expects, perhaps total non-coverage of what the gop says, but their complaint against cbs and pelley is absurd.
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          • Author by jonimacaroni1 (January 26, 2012 2:50 pm ET)
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            CBS treated claims from Newt Gingrich and Mitt Romney that the tax cuts they have proposed would increase federal tax revenue as an open question. In fact, the myth that tax cuts increase revenues has been flatly rejected by economists across the ideological spectrum, including Romney adviser and former George W. Bush chief economist Gregory Mankiw and several others who served in the Bush administration.

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            • Author by jamesB (January 26, 2012 2:58 pm ET)
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              you can take mmfa's hands out of your body cavity now and cut the strings. i heard you.
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              • Author by jonimacaroni1 (January 26, 2012 4:45 pm ET)
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                It's not my shortcoming that you couldn't understand what Media Matters put in their very first paragraph!
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          • Author by Imbecile (January 26, 2012 2:53 pm ET)
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            It's absurd to someone who doesn't understand what they just watched.

            Pelley ends the the segment by saying, after the statements from the Tax Policy Center show that both Romney's and Gingrich's tax plans would increase the deficit, "But remember, the candidates argue that cutting taxes would create so many businesses and jobs, that, ultimately, there would be more tax revenue, not less."

            Unless you plan on arguing that CBS then went and fact-checked that claim, too, then they are leaving the question open, just as MMfA claims they did.

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            • Author by foghornleghorn (January 26, 2012 3:07 pm ET)
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              Tommy and absurd go together like peas and carrots.
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              • Author by n'est-ce pas (January 26, 2012 3:15 pm ET)
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                What I really loved is he actually used the phrase "fair and balanced" about an article that lent credence to a demonstrably false claim. Somehow it's now job of journalists to be stenographers for serial liars and to present stories like this as if there were a controversy, rather than that there is an actual, verifiable truth. Lowering taxes has ALWAYS lowered revenues. That's the story.
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                • Author by jamesB (January 26, 2012 3:21 pm ET)
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                  lent credence? so reporting what the nonpartisan tax policy said as a direct refutation as to what the cop candidates said is not good enough for you? pathetic. you liberals are so afraid of your own shadow you won't even accept when a nonpartisan institute backs you up.
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                  • Author by jamesB (January 26, 2012 3:21 pm ET)
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                    gop, not cop
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                  • Author by n'est-ce pas (January 26, 2012 3:55 pm ET)
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                    Huh. Objecting to the presentation of a known lie in a "both sides of the story" format is "pathetic?" Are you sure you know the definition of all the words you use, tommy? Because I'm willing to bet that the average viewer doesn't know the difference between a nonpartisan institute they've never heard of and the Republican candidates for president. Coupled with the aggressive selling of this idea from Fox and the WSJ, the mild, nonconfrontational way this story is presented makes it seem like the lie about cutting taxes increasing revenues could be true.

                    When a journalist knows that something if a fact and something is a lie, it's their job to point out the lie and to present the facts. If this were an opinion, if it hadn't been proven multiple times that the Laffer Curve is a pernicious lie, then an evenhanded presentation of both sides' arguments would be warranted. But this isn't opinion. The Laffer Curve has been debunked by painful experience. Hence the objection.
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                    • Author by jamesB (January 26, 2012 4:05 pm ET)
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                      Because I'm willing to bet that the average viewer doesn't know the difference between a nonpartisan institute they've never heard of and the Republican candidates for president.

                      i stopped reading your drivel right there because i wanted you to read this?
                      SCOTT PELLEY (anchor): We wondered if the federal deficit might increase under the Romney and Gingrich plans, so we talked to the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center in Washington. It estimates that if the Bush tax cuts stay in place, the Romney plan would add $180 billion to the deficit in the year 2015. The Gingrich plan would add $850 billion that year. But remember, the candidates argue that cutting taxes would create so many businesses and jobs that ultimately there would be more tax revenue, not less

                      i know you elitist liberals think you're smarter than everyone else, but i mean really...
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                      • Author by Imbecile (January 26, 2012 4:13 pm ET)
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                        i stopped reading your drivel right there because i wanted you to read this?


                        That's not how question marks are use, jimmy?
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                        • Author by Old_Benjamin (January 26, 2012 4:16 pm ET)
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                          That's not how question marks are use, jimmy?
                          LOL! Well see for "informed and non- pedestrian" tommy it is!
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                      • Author by n'est-ce pas (January 26, 2012 4:15 pm ET)
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                        No, I know I'm smarter than YOU. And you never really read anything anyone writes here anyways. Mostly because your reading comprehension is iffy, at best. I don't write my posts to you, for the most part, tommy. I write them because others appreciate watching me beat the hell out of you and your resulting confusion and mounting rage. So feel free to skip my posts altogether and just write something random and stupid in reply. It probably won't look any different than what you already post.

                        And just for say, I might point out that last line that you probably inadvertently included is what makes this a he said/she said piece. " But remember, the candidates argue that cutting taxes would create so many businesses and jobs that ultimately there would be more tax revenue, not less."

                        That's the lie you idiots have been using to sell supply-side economics for over 40 years now. It's the lie that's central to Jude Wanniskis WSJ columns on the subject. It's the lie that was central to Reagan's tax policy. It's the lie that was central to Bush's tax policy. IT'S A LIE. And presenting it as a mitigating element at the end of a piece makes it a huge part of the story.

                        In a college journalism course, if you'd ever attended college, you would have learned that people tend to only remember the first and the last thing you tell them. All the stuff in the middle tends to fade away. I know this. Most people in journalism know this. I guarantee you that the writers at CBS know this.
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                        • Author by jamesB (January 26, 2012 4:20 pm ET)
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                          nope. your stupid vapid argument rests on your even stupider baseless assumption that people watching the evening news on cbs can't differentiate statements made by gop candidates vs. an identified nonpartisan institute. that is the baloney you are trying to sell to back your worthless position. and you call yourself smart after grasping for that straw.

                          more cake.
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                          • Author by Imbecile (January 26, 2012 4:29 pm ET)
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                            [stuff, and then]...more cake.


                            At least you took n'est-ce pas's advice to just reply with some random and stupid.
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                          • Author by highlyunlikely (January 26, 2012 4:36 pm ET)
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                            james really, really, wishes he could quit his job on the spot. Maybe when the economy improves, when that job-killing Kenyan guy is finally driven from office. Then the phone rings again...
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                          • Author by Old_Benjamin (January 26, 2012 4:40 pm ET)
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                            differentiate statements made by gop candidates vs. an identified nonpartisan institute.
                            VS is the problem a-hole. There is no VS with this issue. Now stfu.
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                          • Author by grmce (January 26, 2012 9:31 pm ET)
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                            jimbo,

                            If the CBS report had been on claims that the Earth was flat and it was reported that way they would have been laughed off the air.

                            The notion that decreasing taxes increases revenue is even more absurd than the notion that the Earth is flat. Not only has it been empirically debunked repeatedly since the Great Depression, but it is also inherently contradictory.

                            The reporting of politicians who propose this nonsense should be along the line of "these people are spouting rubbish". It should not be dignified with the status of theory - let alone policy.
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                      • Author by jonimacaroni1 (January 26, 2012 4:47 pm ET)
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                        So, you're still pretending that you don't understand the very first paragraph that Media Matters posted?
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                        • Author by jamesB (January 26, 2012 4:53 pm ET)
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                          i don't swallow the very first paragraph mmfa posted. you uncritically swallow everything you're fed here, so you can't wrap your noodlebrain around the fact that not everyone does.
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                          • Author by highlyunlikely (January 26, 2012 4:55 pm ET)
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                            james attempts flipping the respondent. It's one of his poorer tactics.
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                        • Author by Imbecile (January 26, 2012 5:04 pm ET)
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                          joni asked:
                          So, you're still pretending that you don't understand the very first paragraph that Media Matters posted?

                          jimmy replied
                          i don't swallow the very first paragraph mmfa posted. you uncritically swallow everything you're fed here, so you can't wrap your noodlebrain around the fact that not everyone does.


                          I guess what jimmy is saying is that he refuses to believe that there are any economists who have claimed reducing taxes increases revenue.

                          Or maybe he's saying something else entirely. With jimmy, you never really know.
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                      • Author by The_Cat (January 26, 2012 6:42 pm ET)
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                        But remember, the candidates argue that cutting taxes would create so many businesses and jobs that ultimately there would be more tax revenue, not less

                        A real journalist would have pointed out that what the candidates claim has never in fact happened in real life. Not one time. Ever.
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                      • Author by BobsYourUncle (January 26, 2012 7:41 pm ET)
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                        But remember, the candidates argue that cutting taxes would create so many businesses and jobs that ultimately there would be more tax revenue, not less



                        SO how does that square with the fact there were more unemployed when Bush jn left office (7.4%) than when he started (4%)?

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                      • Author by chazmanr (January 27, 2012 11:43 am ET)
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                        i know you elitist liberals think you're smarter than everyone else, but i mean really...


                        Not only do we think it, science seems to prove it!
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                        • Author by jonimacaroni1 (January 27, 2012 11:59 am ET)
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                          Yes, I saw that report. Stunning, wasn't it?
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                          • Author by chazmanr (January 27, 2012 12:10 pm ET)
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                            Stunning? Not really. Confirming.

                            When I sent it to my mom, her reply was:

                            "Add in the other statistic that liberals are less likely to procreate and the prospect becomes terrifying."
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      • Author by nerzog (January 26, 2012 2:35 pm ET)
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        Maybe he should have mentioned the fact that there is zero evidence that tax cuts increase revenue. Zero, as in Zip, Nada, Zilch.
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        • Author by foghornleghorn (January 26, 2012 3:10 pm ET)
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          Well, if cutting taxes increases revenue then we should just eliminate taxes altogether and bask in our outrageous wealth.
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          • Author by jamesB (January 26, 2012 3:14 pm ET)
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            great idea. just like if food stamps jumpstart the economy then we should give every person food stamps and bask in our outrageous economy.
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            • Author by nerzog (January 26, 2012 3:15 pm ET)
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              Foodstamps do more to stimulate the economy than tax cuts for Billionaires.
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              • Author by jamesB (January 26, 2012 3:18 pm ET)
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                nerzog, i was giving him back his all or nothing stupid scenario.
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                • Author by Imbecile (January 26, 2012 3:21 pm ET)
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                  No you weren't. You didn't know what the hell you were saying and thought you were getting in a good zinger against welfare programs.

                  Turns out you failed at that one, too.
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                • Author by gmccpa (January 26, 2012 3:52 pm ET)
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                  The problem with your all or nothing 'joke' JB is that giving everybody food stamps would stimulate the economy. Because MOST people would use it to purchase food..and the money they save on food would be spent elsewhere.

                  Essentially, distributing food stamps in the manner you suggest is an accross the board tax cut....a tax cut that affects lower and middle income taxpayers more than the wealthy. Sort of like a payroll tax cut that went into effect Jan 1 2011...and was recently extended.

                  Which is the opposite of all the tax cuts proposed by the republicans. Capital gain tax cuts are tax cuts for the wealthy...and do nothing to stimulate the economy.

                  And lets face it, Mitt Romney was so embarrased that his tax rate was so low that he was afraid to release his tax returns. Where we could see, plain as day, what a multi millionaire really pays in taxes. I'll say it again...14% is a joke. Most employees' combined social sec/medicare (employee and employer portion) is almost 14%..and thats before any income tax.




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                  • Author by jamesB (January 26, 2012 3:57 pm ET)
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                    if you're in favor of giving everyone food stamps, i don't agree. just as i would be opposed to eliminating all taxes.
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                    • Author by gmccpa (January 26, 2012 4:23 pm ET)
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                      "food stamps' is just a biased term. If you replace it with 'rebate check'...its been done several times.

                      Did you cash yours?
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                      • Author by Imbecile (January 26, 2012 4:54 pm ET)
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                        Weird that you've received no reply to this.
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                      • Author by jamesB (January 26, 2012 5:25 pm ET)
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                        new mission for liberals: find a new term for "food stamps" since this is not going over well apparently any more. try "rebate check" out for a spin. muuuuuuch better. you liberals are pretty good at this though.
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                        • Author by Old_Benjamin (January 26, 2012 5:30 pm ET)
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                          Won't answer the question huh punk?
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                          • Author by jamesB (January 26, 2012 5:40 pm ET)
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                            what's your social security number? it's a question with equal relevancy.

                            Won't answer the question huh punk?
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                            • Author by highlyunlikely (January 26, 2012 5:42 pm ET)
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                              false equivalences are james' favorite trick. He wishes he could use them even more often.
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                            • Author by Old_Benjamin (January 26, 2012 5:47 pm ET)
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                              it's a question with equal relevancy.
                              To an a-hole with no ability to read for comprehension. Why do you enjoy your stupidity so?
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                              • Author by highlyunlikely (January 26, 2012 5:54 pm ET)
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                                just guessing, Ben, but because it comes so naturally?
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                                • Author by Old_Benjamin (January 26, 2012 6:18 pm ET)
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                                  just guessing, Ben, but because it comes so naturally?
                                  I dunno, when he is slapped in the face with his own stupidity regularly, you think it might dawn on him. But to be so active in denial of reality takes more than natural stupidity imo.
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                              • Author by jamesB (January 26, 2012 5:56 pm ET)
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                                Won't answer the question huh punk?
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                                • Author by highlyunlikely (January 26, 2012 5:58 pm ET)
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                                  in which, with an hour to go, james is truly desperate for material.
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                            • Author by Deluded (January 26, 2012 6:59 pm ET)
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                              it's a question with equal relevancy.


                              How so?
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                            • Author by kabniel (January 26, 2012 7:42 pm ET)
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                              james

                              You are a liar, and you really ARE a punk
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                            • Author by progressiveright (January 26, 2012 11:35 pm ET)
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                              No it isn't.

                              If anyone gives you theirs you are both breaking the law.
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                        • Author by highlyunlikely (January 26, 2012 5:34 pm ET)
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                          Can you find the weasel word? It's "apparently."
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                  • Author by Imbecile (January 26, 2012 4:07 pm ET)
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                    I'd say the problem with his "joke" was that no one ever claimed that food stamps "jump start" the economy, which is the phrase jimmy used. And he used it in a way that suggested someone made that comment. No one did.

                    However, the thread itself is about the claim being made by both candidates that cutting taxes increases revenue. The logical extrapolation from such a comment could then be that, by the inverse ratio property, zero taxes results in infinite growth.

                    Now, it could be argued that that isn't true, but the conjecture is based on actual statements by actual people.

                    Jimmy, on the other hand, just makes sh*t up and pretends someone said it in order to counter a point no one made. Then, once someone responds to his made-up point, he then uses that rebuttal to retroactively reinforce the idea that someone else made the comment he made up. That then becomes the basis for his entire argument.
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                • Author by kabniel (January 26, 2012 7:41 pm ET)
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                  james

                  No you were lying and being the brainwashed moron we all know you are
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            • Author by n'est-ce pas (January 26, 2012 3:18 pm ET)
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              Ooh, ooh! I'll take Argumentum ad absurdum for $1000, Alex.

              See folks, this is probably an actual representation of the entire breadth of tommy's understanding of this subject. He really thinks that what advocates for Keynsian economics are saying is that we should deficit spend in good times and in bad because deficit spending is good for the economy. Seriously, he's not a parody troll, no matter how ridiculous he generally appears.
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              • Author by jamesB (January 26, 2012 3:19 pm ET)
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                obviously it flew over your head, never mind.
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                • Author by Imbecile (January 26, 2012 3:23 pm ET)
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                  That's because you shot it straight up in the air, thinking you were aiming low. Be careful, what goes up must come down.
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                • Author by n'est-ce pas (January 26, 2012 3:23 pm ET)
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                  Um, sorry sonny jim, but you've actually made this argument in the past, that if we think food stamps work so well at stimulating the economy, we should just put all Americans on them. You've also made this argument about Unemployment Insurance. This is how you actually think.
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                  • Author by jamesB (January 26, 2012 3:28 pm ET)
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                    god you're stupid. look at the idiotic comment foggy made about eliminating taxes. all or nothing. i countered that with the same stupid comment to show how stupid they both are. i have never made that argument as a serious proposal to stimulate the economy, i have made it to show the stupidity of the argument in itself. food stamps are a necessary program to help people, not a way to stimulate the economy. now wise up.
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                    • Author by Old_Benjamin (January 26, 2012 3:32 pm ET)
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                      i have made it to show the stupidity of the argument in itself. food stamps are a necessary program to help people, not a way to stimulate the economy
                      Ahhh but see a-hole they DO stimulate the economy. You are so stupid it's funny.
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                      • Author by poproxx77 (January 26, 2012 4:02 pm ET)
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                        The stupidity is believing any economic stimulus is good stimulus. For every dollar in food stamps stimulus there is a dollar added to the deficit, which comes with an APR cost.

                        Food stamps are bad stimulus because of the industry they stimulate. Food prices are about as low as they can go in the United States, the supply of food more than meets demand. Increased spending in the agriculture industry is likely to be converted into profits rather than jobs. Profit that won't be reinvested in agricultural jobs.
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                        • Author by foghornleghorn (January 26, 2012 4:08 pm ET)
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                          Wow, I'm trying to wade through your argument...

                          1) Every dollar of food stamps is NOT a dollar added to the deficit. Taxes pay for food stamps.

                          2) Food prices are NOT as low as they can go. Been to the grocery lately?

                          3) Food stamps probably increase the DEMAND for food, not the supply.

                          4) Do you even know what food stamps are? Or supply/demand theory?
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                          • Author by poproxx77 (January 26, 2012 4:28 pm ET)
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                            1) When you are deficit spending any additional spending, i.e. STIMULUS spending or in this case FOOD STAMPS does indeed add to the deficit.

                            2) Speaking in terms of what the market will allow, food prices are basically as low as they can go. As a % of disposable income Americans spend very little on food.

                            3) I never suggested otherwise. The ratio to meet increased demand with increased supply takes very little investment from farmers though. Usually there is a lag because farming is seasonal and it takes 3-6 months from crop maturity.

                            4) I have no doubt you know what food stamps are, but supply/demand theory I'm a bit dubious.

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                        • Author by Old_Benjamin (January 26, 2012 4:20 pm ET)
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                          The stupidity is believing any economic stimulus is good stimulus
                          Sockpuppet says what? My only point is that in the past jimbob has claimed there is no stimulative effect from food stamps. They do.
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                          • Author by poproxx77 (January 26, 2012 4:31 pm ET)
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                            Any spending is stimulative though. Claiming food stamps is an economic plan is ludicrous though. Call it what it is, welfare.
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                            • Author by highlyunlikely (January 26, 2012 4:34 pm ET)
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                              ok. Welfare is also stimulating. Your turn.
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                              • Author by poproxx77 (January 26, 2012 4:48 pm ET)
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                                Lets be Keynsian about this, no need for stimulative/welfare spending when times are good.
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                                • Author by highlyunlikely (January 26, 2012 4:51 pm ET)
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                                  pop adds a factor not part of the original equation. It's a lesser used tactic which he's hoping will confuse the issue long enough for him to score points.
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                                  • Author by poproxx77 (January 26, 2012 4:56 pm ET)
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                                    new factor...???
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                                    • Author by highlyunlikely (January 27, 2012 6:22 pm ET)
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                                      whereas pop added a new factor to the comment above, he subtracts one regarding who is refreshing and who isn't. It's the proverbial two sides of the coin.
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                                • Author by spiritcaller4585 (January 26, 2012 5:14 pm ET)
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                                  no need for stimulative/welfare spending when times are good.


                                  So, you're saying these are good times? Wow, you're really off track on your talking points. There isn't a single republican office holder who would agree with your characterization of our current economy as "good times."
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                            • Author by Old_Benjamin (January 26, 2012 4:44 pm ET)
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                              Any spending is stimulative though
                              Strange that you can't read for comprehension either. Hmmm... anyway I'll post it again jimb...I mean pop...
                              in the past jimbob has claimed there is no stimulative effect from food stamps
                              ...now f o.
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                            • Author by jamesB (January 26, 2012 4:48 pm ET)
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                              can't call it what it is. because liberals are not programmed that way. the only way they can sell their ideas is to package them in a certain way. like govt spending is not govt spending, they are called investments, sounds better. income redistribution is now referred to as income equality, sounds better. food stamps are now sold as economic stimulus, much better.
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                              • Author by highlyunlikely (January 26, 2012 4:54 pm ET)
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                                james describes the nature of his job. The most frustrating aspect is, as he calls it, "programming" to operate in a certain, uniform way. That he is not allowed to use any initiative or originality is one of the prime elements of the frustration he's trying to unload here.

                                Pay attention to the wording of his insults. It's as close as it gets to reading his mind.
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                              • Author by Old_Benjamin (January 26, 2012 4:54 pm ET)
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                                like govt spending is not govt spending, they are called investments, sounds better. income redistribution is now referred to as income equality, sounds better
                                We know you don't understand the meaning of words...nothing to be proud about. I see you don't include luntz talking points like "not estate tax - death tax" "not capitalism - free market"
                                food stamps are now sold as economic stimulus
                                LIE.
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                                • Author by jamesB (January 26, 2012 4:58 pm ET)
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                                  forgot those, thanks.
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                                  • Author by Old_Benjamin (January 26, 2012 5:04 pm ET)
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                                    forgot those, thanks
                                    So you think frank luntz is a liberal? Cause you posted this..
                                    because liberals are not programmed that way. the only way they can sell their ideas is to package them in a certain way
                                    ...and i responded with luntz talk...
                                    "not estate tax - death tax" "not capitalism - free market"
                                    Big bowl of stupid for lunch I see.
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                                    • Author by jamesB (January 26, 2012 5:09 pm ET)
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                                      you can include examples of cons doing the same thing, i don't care. i am not afraid of that. just because you shun fairness in favor of liberal spin, doesn't mean we are all that petty.
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                                      • Author by highlyunlikely (January 26, 2012 5:19 pm ET)
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                                        even james realizes what he just said is gibberish.
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                                      • Author by Old_Benjamin (January 26, 2012 5:23 pm ET)
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                                        you can include examples of cons doing the same thing, i don't care.
                                        But you do care tommy. Why else would you claim
                                        ...because liberals are not programmed that way. the only way they can sell their ideas is to package them in a certain way
                                        You are quite the fu(ktard today.
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                                        • Author by jamesB (January 26, 2012 5:27 pm ET)
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                                          because liberals are far better at it, slicker and more experienced. had i said "only" liberals, you'd have a case. but again, all you have is egg on your face.

                                          and i eat more cake.
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                                          • Author by highlyunlikely (January 26, 2012 5:33 pm ET)
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                                            james writes in a nearly comatose state. At least it allows him to feel less frustrated when the comment fails to yield the transference he expects.
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                                          • Author by Old_Benjamin (January 26, 2012 5:40 pm ET)
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                                            slicker and more experienced
                                            Who is the liberal frank luntz.
                                            had i said "only" liberals, you'd have a case.
                                            WTF? Did I say you said only liberals? I pointed to two prominent examples of it being done on your side. In fact by a person who's whole existence is dedicated to fu(king with the language so a-holes like you will feel better about their pathetic lives.
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                                            • Author by jamesB (January 26, 2012 5:42 pm ET)
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                                              my side? your anger and back alley cussing is now getting the best of you. do you want some cake?
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                                              • Author by highlyunlikely (January 26, 2012 5:44 pm ET)
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                                                Now that's blatant projection. The customers have been particularly infuriating today. (Watch him misidentify who are the customers as he did yesterday.)
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                                              • Author by Old_Benjamin (January 26, 2012 5:50 pm ET)
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                                                my side?
                                                Yes - the stupid side.
                                                your anger and back alley cussing is now getting the best of you. do you want some cake?
                                                Try again in english?
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                                                • Author by jamesB (January 26, 2012 6:00 pm ET)
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                                                  let me break it down for you;

                                                  "your anger" > WTF?, LIE.
                                                  "back alley cussing > a-hole, a-holes, fu(king, fu(ktard.

                                                  need i go on?
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                                                  • Author by Old_Benjamin (January 26, 2012 6:20 pm ET)
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                                                    need i go on?
                                                    I'd say no, if you do you will just devolve further into stupidity.
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                                                    • Author by jamesB (January 26, 2012 6:22 pm ET)
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                                                      you'd say no because that would save you more embarrassment at having to live through your pepper spray of cuss words again. i will stop.
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                                                      • Author by highlyunlikely (January 26, 2012 6:24 pm ET)
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                                                        in which james pretends he's honestly offended by profanity.
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                                                      • Author by Old_Benjamin (January 26, 2012 6:28 pm ET)
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                                                        you'd say no because that would save you more embarrassment at having to live through your pepper spray of cuss words again.
                                                        I have no embarrassment at having to live through my pepper spray of curse words again. But then I understand the language and that what you just wrote is gibberish.

                                                        i will stop.
                                                        We know. You always do round this time. Not everyone is as stupid as you.
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                                                  • Author by kabniel (January 26, 2012 7:52 pm ET)
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                                                    james says WWWWWAHHHHHHHHH adult language, I am getting the vapors.

                                                    You really are a punk james
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                                              • Author by Imbecile (January 26, 2012 6:24 pm ET)
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                                                Since we called out jimmy's odd use of the "wise up" closing, he's changed it to some variation of eating cake.

                                                Jimmy has really taken n'est-ce pas's advice to say random and stupid things to heart.
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                                          • Author by kabniel (January 26, 2012 7:51 pm ET)
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                                            james

                                            You are a LIAR. While everyone tries to frame the debate cons are MUCH better at it and put far MORE effort and resources in it. Why do you lie so much. Do you think it would even be POSSIBLE for you to go through at least ONE thread which you participate in without LYING?
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                                          • Author by chazmanr (January 27, 2012 12:02 pm ET)
                                               
                                            James, I suggest you pick up a copy (if you can find it) of "Talking Right: How Conservatives Turned Liberalism into a Tax-Raising, Latte-Drinking, Sushi-Eating, Volvo-Driving, New York Times-Reading, Body-Piercing, Hollywood-Loving, Left-Wing Freak Show" by linguist Geoffrey Nunberg before you embarrass yourself any further.
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                                        • Author by jonimacaroni1 (January 27, 2012 12:13 pm ET)
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                                          OB said, to "jamesB"
                                          You are quite the fu(ktard today.

                                          He always is. The methods he chooses to use sometimes vary, but he was really threatened by this thread, and desperately wanted to derail the conversation away from the actual topic. That's why I repeatedly posted the first paragraph. That successfully stopped him in his tracks, but then others continued to reply to him, and so he won - he stopped the debate that should have been about whether or not cutting taxes raises revenue.

                                          The idea that "jamesB" is stupid? A non-starter, really. He pretends that he's stupid. He purposely makes bad, illogical arguments to draw people in to respond to him. He's actually pretty darn smart, as he has a great ability to pull just the right phrase out of context, and he parses words like an expert.

                                          And everyone who follows him down the road makes him happier and happier.

                                          He's a troll. He wants replies like this. He wants to eventually be called a fu(ktard and be mocked, so long as it keeps people from talking about the topic that we should be talking about.

                                          He "claims" what he claims because he knows it will inflame others. Remember the definition of a troll from the Urban dictionary?

                                          One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument.
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                                          • Author by Old_Benjamin (January 27, 2012 12:30 pm ET)
                                               
                                            That successfully stopped him in his tracks
                                            Well aren't you full of yourself again.


                                            Oh...and I don't give a flying fu(k about your admonishments to not reply to the troll.
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                                          • Author by highlyunlikely (January 27, 2012 3:02 pm ET)
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                                            I think he pretends he really doesn't get our points. And, of course, he's also stupid.
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                                      • Author by kabniel (January 26, 2012 7:49 pm ET)
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                                        james

                                        You are a LIAR. Fairness means less to you than the temperature on Titan. You care NOTHING about fairness. You care only about money and profit. You would gladly cheer skewering and cooking children or starving them to death if it saved you a dime on your taxes or made a corporation a dozen sheckels. You are among the most disgusting humans alive. Everytime you say ANYTHING about liberals it is almost without exception an outright lie. You said that is how liberals are wired. You didnt do that to be fair you did that because you LOVE to tell lies. You are pathetic and braindead
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                              • Author by kabniel (January 26, 2012 7:46 pm ET)
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                                james

                                You are a liar and you are FAR too stupid to know anything about liberals including how we are wired. You are too stupid to know what we think or what we want or anything else Rush didnt tell you to think.

                                Government DOES make investments. IN SOCIETY. I am sorry you were too stupid to understand this. Food stamps do have a stimulus effect. Those things are pure fact. It is too bad they blow your ignorant Randinista brainwashing out the window. My GOD but you are stupid
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                        • Author by spiritcaller4585 (January 26, 2012 5:12 pm ET)
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                          Food prices are about as low as they can go in the United States, the supply of food more than meets demand.


                          Then what was Sarah Palin going on about last year, when she said that food prices were skyrocketing? I mean, Glenn Beck predicting food riots is one thing, but, some prominent repubicans were screaming about food prices just a few weeks ago. Can't you trolls stick to some consistent talking points?
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                          • Author by poproxx77 (January 26, 2012 5:16 pm ET)
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                            Sarah Palin??? Glenn Beck??? I could care less about them. Troll??? Not accepting everything MMFA of daily posters add to a thread does not a troll make.

                            Remember bub, you brought up SP and GB, not me.
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                            • Author by spiritcaller4585 (January 26, 2012 5:31 pm ET)
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                              Remember, Sarah and Glenn are on your team. They speak for you. How can you turn your back on such bright lights in the conservative movement?
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                            • Author by spiritcaller4585 (January 26, 2012 5:36 pm ET)
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                              By the way, coming here to argue as much as you do most certainly makes you a troll. You troll, you troll.
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                            • Author by highlyunlikely (January 26, 2012 5:40 pm ET)
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                              pop doesn't realize his best strategy here would have been to claim the title "troll" and be honored by it.
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                              • Author by poproxx77 (January 26, 2012 5:45 pm ET)
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                                Here let me introduceyou to MMFA's brightest stars.

                                -spirit
                                -highly
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                                • Author by highlyunlikely (January 26, 2012 5:47 pm ET)
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                                  pop, if he's got any smarts at all, will soon regret writing that. Can you say backfire?
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                                • Author by spiritcaller4585 (January 26, 2012 5:55 pm ET)
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                                  Here let me introduceyou to MMFA's brightest stars.

                                  -spirit
                                  -highly

                                  That's funny, seeing as how I'm only on here a handful of times each month at most. At least you can recognize my brilliance, pop, maybe you're not completely clueless after all.
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                                  • Author by highlyunlikely (January 26, 2012 5:57 pm ET)
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                                    maybe so, but it's more about the quality than the quantity, and you've got quality to spare.
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                        • Author by highlyunlikely (January 27, 2012 6:20 pm ET)
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                          looking back, I see this is where he first went wrong. At least he was speaking substance in these early comments, before the last-wording urge overtook him.
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                    • Author by highlyunlikely (January 27, 2012 6:23 pm ET)
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                      in which james fails to consider it's a dessert topping AND a floor wax. Either/or is definitely not his strong suit.
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                      • Author by highlyunlikely (January 27, 2012 6:24 pm ET)
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                        somebody really ought to consider indenting these columns further. My replies were to comments in 3 separate places.
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              • Author by poproxx77 (January 26, 2012 3:42 pm ET)
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                It may not be what Keynsian economics advocate, but it is the practiced economic strategy. Deficit spending has been the norm, good times or bad. Like the dark-side of the moon non-deficit spending is a mysteious place.
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            • Author by kabniel (January 26, 2012 7:40 pm ET)
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              james

              You are a LIAR. No one said foodstamps would jumpstart the economy, they just pointed out it had a stimulus effect. My GOD but you are stupid. That is along with your propensity for constant lying
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      • Author by chazmanr (January 27, 2012 11:38 am ET)
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        James, the job of the media is not to report both sides unlike you have been brainwashed to believe. The job of the media is to report the truth. Pretty much all of television "news" report both sides of an issue with no attention paid to the underlying facts.

        Once network news rooms started to have to answer for their ratings, objective journalism went out the window. This is why there are practically no real journalists on television today.
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        • Author by jamesB (January 27, 2012 11:40 am ET)
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          they didn't report both sides, they reported what the nonpartisan institutes said. unless you disagree with then and think they're lying, your point makes no sense.
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          • Author by chazmanr (January 27, 2012 12:07 pm ET)
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            You are such an effing idiot. Can you not even read what you wrote?

            cbs presented what the candidates say and then countered that with what the nonpartisan tax policy center said. fair and balanced. i guess mmfa is now only happy when one side, their side, is presented.


            Unless you don't understand what you wrote, you claimed that they reported both sides. I just realized, you are not a liar. You are not stupid. You are completely psychotic. You don't even live in your own reality.
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            • Author by jamesB (January 27, 2012 12:10 pm ET)
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              no, you're the moron. mmfa and you only want one side reported, your side. i never said they reported both sides, i said they countered what gingrich and romney said by going to a nonpartisan source. two sides would be if they had a democratic response. they went one better and skipped that and went to a nonpartisan source. if you can't read or understand don't waste my time. whine elsewhere.
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              • Author by jonimacaroni1 (January 27, 2012 12:23 pm ET)
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                No, Media Matters doen't want only one side reported. Here's what they want.

                CBS treated claims from Newt Gingrich and Mitt Romney that the tax cuts they have proposed would increase federal tax revenue as an open question. In fact, the myth that tax cuts increase revenues has been flatly rejected by economists across the ideological spectrum, including Romney adviser and former George W. Bush chief economist Gregory Mankiw and several others who served in the Bush administration.

                They want claims like that that rightwingers make to not be treated as open questions, which is what CBS didn't successfully do here.

                How many times will you need to see this paragraph before you acknowledge it?

                Don't answer - we already know. You can't acknowledge this paragraph.

                Please stop feeding the troll.
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              • Author by chazmanr (January 27, 2012 12:33 pm ET)
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                This gets right back to my previous point that you are psychotic. I wasn't referring to MMFA in the comment to which I replied, and an idiot should be able to tell that. Why would you think that I would accuse you, of all people, of thinking that MMFA is "fair and balanced". I was referring to CBS. The organization that you said was being fair and balanced. You really have difficulty with English, don't you? I made a very clear case as to why they (CBS) were not being journalists and why your belief that reporting "both sides" constitutes "journalism" is just plain wrong.
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                • Author by jamesB (January 27, 2012 12:38 pm ET)
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                  you said that I said both sides were reported, which is not what i said at all. your confusion is driving your incoherency.
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                  • Author by Old_Benjamin (January 27, 2012 12:44 pm ET)
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                    you said that I said both sides were reported, which is not what i said at all. your confusion is driving your incoherency.
                    You still drunk? Look, "both sides" doesn't mean the gop vs dems stupid. It means lowering taxes brings in more revenue vs lowering taxes does not bring in more revenue. Did you spend all night formulating something to come back here with? You must really be hurting. Cause this is more pathetic than your usual dreck.
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                    • Author by jamesB (January 27, 2012 12:54 pm ET)
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                      Look, "both sides" doesn't mean the gop vs dems

                      you've just cemented what i've suspected all along. discussions on this website are above your pay grade if you post something as idiotic as what you did above. find a website where your cussing ability garners you more than mocking laughter, which is what you get from me.
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                      • Author by Old_Benjamin (January 27, 2012 12:59 pm ET)
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                        So you really think that both sides as referred to by posters here means gop vs dems? Mocking laughter? You are sad. And to think you spent all night trying to formulate a winning argument. Such a waste.
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                        • Author by jamesB (January 27, 2012 1:13 pm ET)
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                          i have no idea what idiots like you are referring too? both sides of a political issue mean right/left, democrat/republican. not republican/nonpartisan. you are so simple.
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                          • Author by highlyunlikely (January 27, 2012 2:23 pm ET)
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                            hell with the grammar. When you've got a lot of steam to blow off, why bother rereading before posting?
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                          • Author by Old_Benjamin (January 27, 2012 2:33 pm ET)
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                            i have no idea what idiots like you are referring too?
                            Is that a question?
                            you are so simple
                            ..after this...
                            both sides of a political issue mean right/left, democrat/republican
                            Really?
                            See numbnuts, the issue here is a lie vs. truth. Sad pathetic tommmy.
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                            • Author by highlyunlikely (January 27, 2012 2:38 pm ET)
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                              at this rate, the way he's wearing himself out, tommy will be lucky to make it home tonight in one piece. And he'll no doubt need to sleep all weekend just to make it back on Monday.
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                  • Author by chazmanr (January 27, 2012 12:49 pm ET)
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                    You really need help.

                    cbs presented what the candidates say and then countered that with what the nonpartisan tax policy center said. fair and balanced.


                    It is exactly what you said.
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                    • Author by jamesB (January 27, 2012 12:52 pm ET)
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                      you are too simple to get this, obviously. presenting partisan spin from the gop is presenting one side. presenting nonpartisan reporting is countering that with the truth. it's not the other side you moron.
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                      • Author by Old_Benjamin (January 27, 2012 1:05 pm ET)
                           
                        countering that with the truth
                        Ahhh but pelly never used the words truth or lie and he ended by reminding us that the gop disagrees with the nonpartisan group (or the truth as you called it). Sad.
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                        • Author by jamesB (January 27, 2012 1:14 pm ET)
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                          so you don't think the nonpartisan institute was the truth? or did you need pelley to tell you that too?
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                          • Author by highlyunlikely (January 27, 2012 2:22 pm ET)
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                            complicating matters beyond recognition is james' m.o. today. He's too tired out to reach beyond that.
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                          • Author by Old_Benjamin (January 27, 2012 2:39 pm ET)
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                            so you don't think the nonpartisan institute was the truth?
                            Ummmm...no a-hole, I KNEW the truth without this story at all. But I was pointing out to you that what you call the truth is countered by newt and mittens with a lie. See? Truth vs a lie. Not gop vs dems. Now f o and stop shwoing what an idiot you are.
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                            • Author by highlyunlikely (January 27, 2012 2:45 pm ET)
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                              Now f o and stop shwoing what an idiot you are.

                              don't worry, OB. He won't. Especially not with over 4 hours until quitting time.
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    • Author by epkklk851 (January 26, 2012 2:07 pm ET)
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      I have an idea, let's cut their hourly salary and see if their income goes up for the year. Taxes are the way the Government raises money in order to provide services. If you cut taxes, you should cut services. Most people complain about Government expenses, but very few people really want their services cut, they say they do, but when it comes down to it, they really don't mean what they say. If you cut taxes, revenues go down, there might be a slight increase because more people are coming into the workforce, but revenues, overall, will go down because less money is coming in. If revenues go down and services are not cut, deficits go up. You can argue that some people will get jobs because there is more investment, but you can't depend on that growth, and even if the job growth happens, it would have happened anyway, and imagine what revenues would have been with the new growth and the old rates. Deficits are bad, since we seem to want the Government to offer us services, we should pay for them.
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    • Author by GBU-15 (January 26, 2012 2:15 pm ET)
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      I am glad MMFA is talking about how the mainstream broadcast news gives air to ridiculous NeanderCon talking points. I believe that they are so afraid of Fox and being accused of having a "liberal bias" that they give credence to every Teabagger idea out there. There is very little critical journalism being done on TV now. It is all bought and paid for corporate propaganda. Keep up the good work MMFA!
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      • Author by jamesB (January 26, 2012 2:31 pm ET)
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        when the two top candidates running for the gop nomination for president offer up their proposals it is absolutely not ridiculous to air them. in fact they didn't just air it unchallenged, they specifically said they went to a nonpartisan institute to have it verified. and reported what they said. perfectly fair. this is unwarranted criticism of pelley and cbs.
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        • Author by Old_Benjamin (January 26, 2012 2:38 pm ET)
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          perfectly fair. this is unwarranted criticism of pelley and cbs.
          Perhaps to an idiot. But pelly ended with
          ... But remember, the candidates argue that cutting taxes would create so many businesses and jobs that ultimately there would be more tax revenue, not less.
          ...which is still propping up a claim just shown to be false. But then sadly you can't understand words so it's not surprising.
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          • Author by jamesB (January 26, 2012 2:40 pm ET)
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            which is exactly what the tax policy refuted, so your whine, and mmfa's is baseless.
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            • Author by Old_Benjamin (January 26, 2012 2:45 pm ET)
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              No cbs treated it as he said/she said. He ended with "But remember, the candidates argue that cutting taxes would create so many businesses and jobs that ultimately there would be more tax revenue, not less." He never said it was a false or misleading claim. Just that the wingnuts said one thing and the tax policy centre said the opposite. That's stupid and that's why you see nothing wrong with it.
              "Whine" really? You are such a pos a-hole.
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              • Author by jamesB (January 26, 2012 2:48 pm ET)
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                you're such an idiot. "he said" are ultra partisan gop candidates for president. "she said" is a nonpartisan institute. you may be too stupid to evaluate each one in that context, but the rest of us aren't. wise up.
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                • Author by jonimacaroni1 (January 26, 2012 2:51 pm ET)
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                  CBS treated claims from Newt Gingrich and Mitt Romney that the tax cuts they have proposed would increase federal tax revenue as an open question. In fact, the myth that tax cuts increase revenues has been flatly rejected by economists across the ideological spectrum, including Romney adviser and former George W. Bush chief economist Gregory Mankiw and several others who served in the Bush administration.

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                • Author by Old_Benjamin (January 26, 2012 2:57 pm ET)
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                  you may be too stupid to evaluate each one in that context, but the rest of us aren't.
                  Nice, from they guy who doesn't understand basic english. Us? Like boxtop? Seems about your speed.
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                  • Author by jamesB (January 26, 2012 3:00 pm ET)
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                    you always look foolish when you have no rebuttal to your feeble positions once they're dismantled in your face, to show how foolish they are. it all makes sense now.
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                    • Author by Old_Benjamin (January 26, 2012 3:11 pm ET)
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                      you always look foolish when you have no rebuttal to your feeble positions once they're dismantled in your face,
                      Too funny from an idiot who can't understand english. See, I understand the words that are written in the above post, you do not. Now run along and tell everyone how you "won" a debate.
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                      • Author by jamesB (January 26, 2012 3:16 pm ET)
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                        you understand what mmfa feeds you. winning a debate from you is hardly worth crowing about. big deal.
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                        • Author by Old_Benjamin (January 26, 2012 3:22 pm ET)
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                          winning a debate from you is hardly worth crowing about.
                          ...better get that adult with the understanding of english to help you again. And what an odd thing for an a-hole that is always on about how you bested me in "debates". I don't debate you dumbass, I make you twist like a top by pointing out your lies. Now why not run along to the "dead voters" thread to defend your previous assertions there? You know where you "won" another debate...
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                          • Author by jamesB (January 26, 2012 3:31 pm ET)
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                            my mistake. if i ever claimed victory over you it was before i realized just how uninformed and pedestrian you are. i over estimated your intellect, my bad. i have learned that the best to come out of you is "stfu". don't reach for much beyond that.
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                            • Author by Old_Benjamin (January 26, 2012 3:36 pm ET)
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                              Now you are lying again. When you posted this you weren't decalring victory?
                              you always look foolish when you have no rebuttal to your feeble positions once they're dismantled in your face, to show how foolish they are.
                              Really? Pathetic.
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                              • Author by jamesB (January 26, 2012 3:42 pm ET)
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                                you can victimize yourself by calling it a victory if you'd like, i call it a piece of cake.
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                                • Author by Old_Benjamin (January 26, 2012 3:48 pm ET)
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                                  you can victimize yourself by calling it a victory if you'd like, i call it a piece of cake.
                                  You did it again. Idiot.
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                                  • Author by jamesB (January 26, 2012 3:53 pm ET)
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                                    victory is something to be proud of. eating cake is a delicious mindless distraction. that'll help you sort out the difference.
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                            • Author by Imbecile (January 26, 2012 3:39 pm ET)
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                              i over estimated your intellect, my bad. i have learned that the best to come out of you is "stfu". don't reach for much beyond that.


                              ...says the silly person who ends almost every comment with "wise up", thinking that automatically makes his observations "wise".
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                              • Author by Old_Benjamin (January 26, 2012 3:45 pm ET)
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                                ...says the silly person who ends almost every comment with "wise up", thinking that automatically makes his observations "wise".
                                I know, like just up thread...
                                you may be too stupid to evaluate each one in that context, but the rest of us aren't. wise up.
                                He still won't answer who "us" are though.
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                                • Author by jamesB (January 26, 2012 3:51 pm ET)
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                                  sure i will. us = non raving leftist radicals. in other words, the rest of us.
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                                  • Author by Imbecile (January 26, 2012 4:21 pm ET)
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                                    sure i will. us = non raving leftist radicals. in other words, the rest of us.


                                    You're a leftist radical, just not a raving one?

                                    You see, we don't crow about our grammatical prowess, we just think your complete ignorance of the language I'm sure you grew up speaking is comical, and we like to point out that you don't say what you think you say.

                                    Language isn't an interpretive art, it's a concrete set of guidelines for communicating thoughts.

                                    If you're accurately portraying your thoughts with the written word, your cerebellum must resemble a passage written by Hunter Thompson on mescaline.
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                                  • Author by grmce (January 26, 2012 10:30 pm ET)
                                       
                                    sure i will. us = non raving leftist radicals. in other words, the rest of us.
                                    I never realised you were a leftist radical. Maybe it was the lack of raving that confused me.
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                            • Author by n'est-ce pas (January 26, 2012 4:01 pm ET)
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                              I love this entire post:
                              my mistake. if i ever claimed victory over you it was before i realized just how uninformed and pedestrian you are. i over estimated your intellect, my bad. i have learned that the best to come out of you is "stfu". don't reach for much beyond that.

                              "uninformed and pedestrian." tommy doesn't really know what that means, but he saw someone smarter than him use it and so he figured it would work here.

                              "over estimated" yeah, that's "overestimated," tommy.

                              "don't reach beyond that" from the guy who considers it the height of devestating ripostes to say "grow up" or "wise up" when he thinks he's driven home a point.

                              Seriously, tommy, you're a peach. Keep on bringing the stupid.
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                              • Author by Imbecile (January 26, 2012 4:11 pm ET)
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                                "uninformed and pedestrian." tommy doesn't really know what that means, but he saw someone smarter than him use it and so he figured it would work here.


                                Jimmy is still trying to figure out how people who walk on the sidewalks are uninformed, but he knows that we used it against him once, so it must be a word that can be used insultingly. Therefore, he uses it.

                                It's like a guy who can't quite figure out why every time he flips the switch on the wall, the room gets darker. He doesn't know that the two actions are connected; he just thinks it's a really weird coincidence.
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                              • Author by jamesB (January 26, 2012 4:14 pm ET)
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                                when you're reduced to crowing about your grammatical prowess on a media/political issues and discussion website, well, 'nuff said. :)
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                                • Author by n'est-ce pas (January 26, 2012 4:17 pm ET)
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                                  Um, what media/political issues were discussed in your post, tommy? Dumbass.
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                                • Author by highlyunlikely (January 26, 2012 4:21 pm ET)
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                                  james thinks he's got a winning formula by insulting the community with one hand while making convoluted arguments even he realizes are bogus with the other. So why does he go home every night even more fatigued,even more aggravated, even more ferocious than the night before?

                                  james never changes his tactics though by now he has to concede they're simply not drawing the dividends he designed them to do. Someday he may try another approach but for now he's just too worn down to devise any.

                                  The phone rings. james sighs. Someday he'll run his own business and we'll never hear from him again.
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                        • Author by kabniel (January 26, 2012 8:00 pm ET)
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                          james

                          You are a liar a punk and a moron. You are too stupid to judge what someone else understands and forget about EVER crowing about winning debate since that is NEVER going to happen. Four year olds would rip you to shreds you are stupid beyond human levels of comprehension
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                    • Author by kabniel (January 26, 2012 7:58 pm ET)
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                      james

                      He made a rebuttal. You are too stupid to understand it. Keep pretending that having the Flat Earth society on as the counterpoint to actual geologists saying the Earth is a sphere is balanced. That is the POINT of this kind of propaganda. YOU are stupid enough to buy into it. You are stupid beyond belief. Stop pretending there is something wrong with us because we are NOT as stupid as you
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                  • Author by Imbecile (January 26, 2012 3:16 pm ET)
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                    What I love about reading jimmy's angry comments is his utter lack of context or comprehension of them.

                    It's like he's spent the better part of the past year or so collecting all the insulting and damaging things we've said to him, and he's thought to himself, "I'm going to say these things right back to them lol and see how they like it!"

                    Of course, since he doesn't understand the written word--or audio, it seems--he doesn't quite know the most fitting instances to use them in.

                    That's why, when you say something like, "It's a proven fact that [insert factual statement here]", he calls you a sheep for believing everything you read.
                    Or why, when you ask him a simple question about what he thinks, he calls you a baby for not agreeing with him.

                    It's quite remarkable. I've never been able to observe someone of his capacities at such great length before.
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                    • Author by highlyunlikely (January 26, 2012 4:23 pm ET)
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                      It's why james' accusations of OUR victimhood are particularly ironic. It's the first card he pulls when we've got him on the defensive.
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                • Author by kabniel (January 26, 2012 7:56 pm ET)
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                  james

                  You are a LIAR and a punk. You can keep pretending all day that this is fair or balanced but it isnt. Rational adults know this. Brainwashed punks like you just want to make excuses for propganda. You are disgusting
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              • Author by Imbecile (January 26, 2012 3:01 pm ET)
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                You may have set a record for getting semi-lucid jimmy to turn into you're-an-idiot/if-you-need-to jimmy, Old_Benjamin. You did it with just two comments.
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                • Author by Old_Benjamin (January 26, 2012 3:14 pm ET)
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                  It gonna be tough slog for tommy to get this thread over 100 posts when he blows a gasket this early. But it IS fun.
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        • Author by jonimacaroni1 (January 26, 2012 2:49 pm ET)
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          CBS treated claims from Newt Gingrich and Mitt Romney that the tax cuts they have proposed would increase federal tax revenue as an open question. In fact, the myth that tax cuts increase revenues has been flatly rejected by economists across the ideological spectrum, including Romney adviser and former George W. Bush chief economist Gregory Mankiw and several others who served in the Bush administration.


          Simple, basic and easy to understand, but "jamesB" pretends he doesn't get it!
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          • Author by jamesB (January 26, 2012 2:50 pm ET)
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            i have no interest in the way mmfa categorizes it. that may be enough for a simpleton like you to swallow, but not for me.
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            • Author by jonimacaroni1 (January 26, 2012 2:53 pm ET)
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              It's not "the way mmfa categorizes it." It's the way it is. It's a fact. This is not an opinion on the part of Media Matters. It's fact.
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              • Author by jamesB (January 26, 2012 2:57 pm ET)
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                if all you're going to do is regurgitate mmfa's written text above as anything other than opinion, you needn't bother. i am not sheep like you. baaaah.
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                • Author by David2012 (January 26, 2012 4:29 pm ET)
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                  My issue is the "But remember..." structure. That to me clearly implies, or allows the viewer to infer, that what follows may actually be true.

                  Well, it's not.

                  Fair and balanced? This would have been fair and balanced:

                  "Governor Romney and Speaker Gingrich each assert that their proposed tax cuts will increase revenue rather than reduce it, an idea first advanced and popularized by economist Arthur Laffer in the 1980s. However, virtualy no other economist, including several who served in the Bush Administration, believes that to be true, some using terms like "cranks and charlatans" to describe those who do. The nonpartisan Tax Policy Center agrees with that consensus, and advised us that both men's plans, and particularly Speaker Gingrich's, would significantly reduce revenues and increase the deficit.
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                  • Author by jamesB (January 26, 2012 5:07 pm ET)
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                    nope. you inject hyperbole and intentionally charged words to over saturate the "fair" reporting you put forth. pelley rightly left that out and put forth not two sides from two partisan outfits, but a nonpartisan barometer that eviscerates the gop candidates claim. and that just isn't good enough for you or mmfa. too bad.
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                    • Author by Imbecile (January 26, 2012 5:26 pm ET)
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                      When the reporter follows up that "evisceration" with a, "But remember...." that is a clue. You see, the word but is a conjunction that joins two contradictory thoughts into a single statement. By saying, "But remember...." Pelley was, in fact, contradicting the nonpartisan clip he just ran.

                      When you contradict nonpartisan information to reinforce partisan information, that is called bias.
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                      • Author by The_Cat (January 26, 2012 6:55 pm ET)
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                        When you contradict nonpartisan information to reinforce partisan information, that is called bias.

                        Very well posted, Imbecile. However, I doubt that jamesB is ever going to fully confront the truth of the matter in this case. Keep on trying, though, it's great fun to read!

                        >^o.-^<
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                    • Author by Old_Benjamin (January 26, 2012 5:29 pm ET)
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                      but a nonpartisan barometer that eviscerates the gop candidates claim.
                      But pelly ended with this...
                      But remember, the candidates argue that cutting taxes would create so many businesses and jobs that ultimately there would be more tax revenue, not less.
                      Add "eviscerate" to the list of words you don't understand. Too funny.
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                      • Author by jamesB (January 26, 2012 5:45 pm ET)
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                        your whole gripe, and your fellow pantie twist-ups here, is the word "remember", isn't it? Take that out and you might begrudgingly accept it. what you really want is for pelley to say to gingrich and romney, "stfu". that you'd get.
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                        • Author by highlyunlikely (January 26, 2012 5:46 pm ET)
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                          All those invectives. He really needs a better job than sitting in a cubicle forced to do stuff he's too smart to do.
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                        • Author by spiritcaller4585 (January 26, 2012 5:49 pm ET)
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                          "Remember" is the key word in his statement as it sets up what the viewer is expected to retain as the central point of the segment.
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                          • Author by highlyunlikely (January 26, 2012 5:56 pm ET)
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                            james is trying to find a way to refute the critical word "remember" but may well decide to ignore it and move on to less air-tight arguments. In other words, you got him good.
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                          • Author by Imbecile (January 26, 2012 6:29 pm ET)
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                            I guess we'll just have to add the word remember to the exponentially growing list of words jimmy doesn't get.

                            If only there were some way we could get those words published in some form, and in some sort of organizational format, like alphabetically, so we could then present to jimmy a comprehensive list of all the words he doesn't understand. And since we're so altruistic, maybe we could help ol' jimmy out by supplying the meanings of those words for him in that bound list.

                            If only....
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                            • Author by grmce (January 26, 2012 11:03 pm ET)
                                 
                              I guess we'll just have to add the word remember to the exponentially growing list of words jimmy doesn't get.
                              Of course he doesn't. As with most of his ilk the concept of remembering is beyond him. In a remarkable similarity to the Khmer Rouge, for him every day is New Year's Day.
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                        • Author by Old_Benjamin (January 26, 2012 5:57 pm ET)
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                          your whole gripe, and your fellow pantie twist-ups here, is the word "remember", isn't it?
                          Wrong stupid. LOL! Care to explain your use of "eviscerate" with or without pelly using "remember"? I know you can't but it would be worth a laugh.
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                          • Author by jamesB (January 26, 2012 6:02 pm ET)
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                            hey, if you don't think the nonpartisan institute eviscerated gingrich and romney's claim, fine.
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                            • Author by highlyunlikely (January 26, 2012 6:07 pm ET)
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                              fine.
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                            • Author by Old_Benjamin (January 26, 2012 6:22 pm ET)
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                              if you don't think the nonpartisan institute eviscerated gingrich and romney's
                              Poor idiot...we're talking about cbs and pelly
                              fu(ktard. perhaps you should have your memory tested.
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                              • Author by jamesB (January 26, 2012 6:24 pm ET)
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                                can you not read what i wrote?
                                but a nonpartisan barometer that eviscerates the gop candidates claim

                                all that panty twisting for nothing.

                                i can't eat any more cake.
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                                • Author by Old_Benjamin (January 26, 2012 6:35 pm ET)
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                                  but a nonpartisan barometer that eviscerates the gop candidates claim
                                  can't read what others have written? Oh right you can't, sad pathetic tommy - why not knock off early and grab some beers. Maybe that will wash away your feelings of inadequacy.
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                                  • Author by highlyunlikely (January 26, 2012 6:36 pm ET)
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                                    Speaking of "remember," Ben, he's off in 25 minutes, less when you consider he always leaves early.
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                                    • Author by Old_Benjamin (January 26, 2012 6:40 pm ET)
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                                      I hope he's not driving as I imagine he's gonna go get loaded to try and forget this...
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                                      • Author by jamesB (January 26, 2012 6:47 pm ET)
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                                        are you kidding? all the pieces of cake i've eaten at your expense today, i couldn't possibly force down an adult beverage. i am on a sugar rush.
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                                        • Author by highlyunlikely (January 26, 2012 6:48 pm ET)
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                                          please let's not disabuse jim of the notion that this cake metaphor doesn't work, and by no means tell him why.
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                                          • Author by jamesB (January 26, 2012 6:54 pm ET)
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                                            have you ever tried making metaphor cake? you're right, it doesn't work. too gooey. i have been deliciously distracted by carrot.
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                                            • Author by highlyunlikely (January 26, 2012 6:55 pm ET)
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                                              his parting shot. james made it while standing and in his coat.
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                                              • Author by Imbecile (January 26, 2012 7:03 pm ET)
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                                                And seemed to be conjuring the spirit of boxtop while he did.

                                                If I didn't see the name at the top, I would have sworn it was boxy.

                                                I wonder if riverdog will be here in about an hour or so to "stick up for" jimmy.
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                                            • Author by The_Cat (January 26, 2012 6:57 pm ET)
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                                              Hey jamesB! I was just talking to two GOP presidential candidates. They both have very similar plans to increase jobs and help the economy by mining cheese on the moon. NASA has said that the moon is in fact not made of cheese. But, remember, both candidates have not only claimed that it is, but are constructing elaborate plans on how we can best mine it effectively.

                                              See what I did there? Same thing Pelley and CBS did. Do you get it now?
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                                              • Author by highlyunlikely (January 26, 2012 6:58 pm ET)
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                                                james is probably gone by now but if he weren't I suppose he'd say something about cheese cake.
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                                              • Author by Imbecile (January 26, 2012 7:05 pm ET)
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                                                See what I did there? Same thing Pelley and CBS did. Do you get it now?


                                                LOL. Nicely done. Of course, you know he doesn't get it, and in fact is now convinced that you think the moon is made of cheese and will call you an idiot based upon that.
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                                                • Author by highlyunlikely (January 26, 2012 7:09 pm ET)
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                                                  and of course he's got a vested interest in not getting it. If he did, there'd go his reason for being here.
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                                              • Author by kabniel (January 26, 2012 8:13 pm ET)
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                                                cat

                                                He will never get it. Not because he is too stupid to understand, though he is incredibly stupid, but because he is COMITTED to not understanding
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                                              • Author by jamesB (January 27, 2012 11:22 am ET)
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                                                The_Cat,

                                                if i heard that i would figure the gop candidates are spinning their political agenda as usual, and nasa is a far better nonpartisan source. slam dunk. and i would appreciate whatever media outlet had enough integrity not to just offer up another politically motivated agenda from a competing candidate, but went directly to a nonpartisan source for accuracy. thumbs up there.

                                                i think the disconnect for liberals is they think the public is so just so damn stupid that they aren't equipped to make these judgments on their own, they need your help, and mmfa's help. no, we don't.
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                                                • Author by Brabantio (January 27, 2012 11:51 am ET)
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                                                  i think the disconnect for liberals is they think the public is so just so damn stupid that they aren't equipped to make these judgments on their own, they need your help, and mmfa's help. no, we don't.
                                                  Because it's common sense?
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                                                  • Author by jamesB (January 27, 2012 11:59 am ET)
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                                                    liberals have a hard time grasping common sense, i hear ya.
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                                                    • Author by Brabantio (January 27, 2012 12:08 pm ET)
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                                                      Like conservatives have a hard time grasping the "common sense" that taxing overseas companies might cause some of them to raise prices? Obviously, because it's so important that Obama has to mention that bit of "common sense", but when it comes to conservative bias and misinformation in the media, then your principles take a sudden nosedive.

                                                      Do you see how people might see that as a little convenient, perhaps?
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                                                      • Author by jamesB (January 27, 2012 12:17 pm ET)
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                                                        huh? i expect both to report fairly and accurately. cbs did exactly that, so i have no issue with this. politicians spin and only tell their side, almost always, so they rarely report fairly and accurately. they report what they want to sell, or want us to believe. not only that, but i hold politicians to higher standards than the media.
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                                                        • Author by Brabantio (January 27, 2012 12:26 pm ET)
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                                                          That makes no sense. If you expect them to report fairly and accurately, why do you make a distinction for what you deem "common sense"? "We have to be fair and accurate...unless we for some reason decide people should figure something out on their own."

                                                          Reporting what people need to know is the media's job. It's not a politician's job to talk about things that aren't their fault as if they are. There's no "standard" at work there. Your viewpoint would have a Democratic president associating himself with something unpopular with the public for no good reason, while the media gives credence to partisan nonsense because everyone should know better on their own.

                                                          That's either wildly dishonest or moronic.
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                                                          • Author by jamesB (January 27, 2012 12:35 pm ET)
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                                                            you can make all the excuses you want for politicians to be slippery, if your sheepish enough to settle for that, so be it. sure, there is an element of common sense to knowing that prices may rise when companies see their taxes increase, so you think politicians needn't be forthcoming because of it. i don't. of course there is a standard here, unless you don't think politicians have to live by any, which is what you're saying. as for this piece by cbs, they did not leave anything out. so to compare their reporting and full disclosure to a politician who intentionally leaves out the downside to an issue is ridiculous.
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                                                            • Author by Brabantio (January 27, 2012 12:50 pm ET)
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                                                              Well, if you had some sort of situation where Obama might be accountable for something, that's one thing. What you were talking about was very clearly something different, though, since you admitted companies didn't generally have to use overseas labor. There's a balancing act for risk/reward for politicians to associate themselves with negativity. You can't just expect anyone to say things that are damaging to themselves when there's absolutely no benefit at all. It's not even honest, really, since it's not his fault. That's why I'm saying there's no standard there, it's just stupid. Obviously that doesn't imply that I don't think politicians have to live by any standards, but of course you're obligated to misrepresent me for some reason.

                                                              If you weren't responsible for a downside, would you mention it? Why would it even occur to you to do so? You're suggesting that the thought process is something like "OK corporations might raise prices in order to maintain the profit margin they increased by using overseas labor, and I have to mention that because some random person naively expects politicians to cite negative effects regardless of causation or lack of personal responsibility...but I won't!" That is truly nefarious, indeed.
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                                                              • Author by jamesB (January 27, 2012 12:57 pm ET)
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                                                                weren't responsible? so when politicians propose legislation they are not responsible for the downsides to that?

                                                                incredible.
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                                                                • Author by n'est-ce pas (January 27, 2012 1:03 pm ET)
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                                                                  See, what you're not getting here tommy, is that corporate profits were increased by outsourcing. If they fell to historically reasonable levels, and corporations decided to hike them back to their currently distorted levels by raising prices, that's nobody's fault but the corporations'. Furthermore, assuming that all corporations will raise their prices is simplistic and ignorant. They won't. Price competiveness demands that corporations sell their goods for only as much as the market will bear, and the market won't bear exorbitant price hikes. The only way corporations would be able to raise prices, en masse, is if they colluded, which is a felony that would land them in hot, hot water.
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                                                                • Author by Brabantio (January 27, 2012 1:05 pm ET)
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                                                                  What? So Obama is responsible, but it's not supposed to be a factor in creating policy? You need to check back on your old posts, I think.
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                                                                  • Author by jamesB (January 27, 2012 1:11 pm ET)
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                                                                    he is responsible for fully disclosing all the ramifications of any policy or issue he is proposing, absolutely, as is any politician. whether it's a factor in creating that policy is up for debate regarding the pros and cons of what is being proposed. why this is so complicated for you is beyond me. as i said, liberals have an awfully hard time with common sense.
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                                                                    • Author by Brabantio (January 27, 2012 1:18 pm ET)
                                                                         
                                                                      No, you were amazed that I didn't agree that Obama was responsible for the downside of it. Not disclosing it, for the downside itself. See for yourself:
                                                                      so when politicians propose legislation they are not responsible for the downsides to that?
                                                                      And that was in response to:
                                                                      If you weren't responsible for a downside, would you mention it? Why would it even occur to you to do so?
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                                                                      • Author by jamesB (January 27, 2012 1:25 pm ET)
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                                                                        yes, they are responsible for disclosing it. read what i wrote again, when politicians propose legislation they are responsible for the downside of it, yes - responsible for the disclosure. what, you think that if a politician proposes legislation that they are personally responsible? how would that make sense? their responsibility is in full disclosure.
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                                                                        • Author by Brabantio (January 27, 2012 1:32 pm ET)
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                                                                          "downside of it". "when politicians propose legislation". Funny, I don't see "disclosure" in there at all, so attributing "it" to that concept seems pretty strange. And I certainly separated the two things with "If you weren't responsible for a downside, would you mention it? Why would it even occur to you to do so?" What's more, why would you seem surprised if you thought I was saying that politicians don't necessarily have to disclose a downside to a policy, since that's been very well established already?
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                                                                          • Author by jamesB (January 27, 2012 1:35 pm ET)
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                                                                            so you agree, politicians should disclose downsides to policies they are proposing?
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                                                                            • Author by Brabantio (January 27, 2012 1:43 pm ET)
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                                                                              How about I re-answer that question after you answer mine at least once?

                                                                              And if you don't think I answered it, you aren't paying attention.
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                                                                              • Author by jamesB (January 27, 2012 1:44 pm ET)
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                                                                                if you answered yes, then what the hell are you arguing with me about?
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                                                                                • Author by Brabantio (January 27, 2012 1:49 pm ET)
                                                                                     
                                                                                  "Yes" would be too simplistic, obviously. You would know this if you were reading my posts.

                                                                                  I want you to answer this in particular, along with the rest of the post which you conveniently ignored:
                                                                                  What's more, why would you seem surprised if you thought I was saying that politicians don't necessarily have to disclose a downside to a policy, since that's been very well established already?
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                                                                                  • Author by jamesB (January 27, 2012 1:55 pm ET)
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                                                                                    no, it's not obviously. the answer is yes or no. either you believe politicians are responsible for full disclosure or not. if they don't know enough about what they are proposing to know all the pros and cons of it, they shouldn't propose it at all.
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                                                                                    • Author by Brabantio (January 27, 2012 1:57 pm ET)
                                                                                         
                                                                                      Re-read my posts if you want the answer again. Meanwhile, why are you dodging my question? It shouldn't be that hard.
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                                                                                      • Author by jamesB (January 27, 2012 2:18 pm ET)
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                                                                                        your question is irrelevant if you can't answer yes or no to mine. it's that simple.
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                                                                                        • Author by highlyunlikely (January 27, 2012 2:19 pm ET)
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                                                                                          james translated: lousy day at work. Good thing it's Friday. And you can pretty much substitute that for anything he posts today.
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                                                                                        • Author by Brabantio (January 27, 2012 2:20 pm ET)
                                                                                             
                                                                                          But I already answered yours. Read back, it's the very first sentence of a post and it makes it clear why it's not a "yes or no" question.

                                                                                          My question is relevant regardless because you are accountable for what you say. Don't suggest you aren't, please, even if you did so unwittingly.
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                                                                                          • Author by jamesB (January 27, 2012 2:23 pm ET)
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                                                                                            refresh my memory where you answered it.
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                                                                                            • Author by Brabantio (January 27, 2012 2:25 pm ET)
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                                                                                              No. Answer my question, then I'll tell you. You can't possibly argue that's unfair.
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                                                                                              • Author by jamesB (January 27, 2012 2:27 pm ET)
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                                                                                                oh for pete's sake. you are a child. grow up.
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                                                                                                • Author by Brabantio (January 27, 2012 2:33 pm ET)
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                                                                                                  For asking you to be accountable for what you say and to not fall for your distractions when you lack the maturity to do so?

                                                                                                  Less than convincing, to put it mildly.
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                                                                                                  • Author by jamesB (January 27, 2012 2:41 pm ET)
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                                                                                                    no, you're acting like a child. i ask you to answer the question and you tell me you did. then i ask you to reprint it or refresh my memory and you say not until i've answered your follow up question. don't lecture me on maturity after that.
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                                                                                                    • Author by highlyunlikely (January 27, 2012 2:44 pm ET)
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                                                                                                      this "childish" meme today may reflect jim feeling like a child pouting about how much he hates his sophomoric job. Remember: the comments reveal a great deal more than is intended.
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                                                                                                    • Author by Brabantio (January 27, 2012 2:45 pm ET)
                                                                                                         
                                                                                                      Your demand is unreasonable. While I'm asking you a perfectly legitimate question about something you posted, you refuse to answer and then ask me a question which I've not only previously addressed, but which has no bearing on the matter I'm talking about.

                                                                                                      You aren't special. You want answers, you give answers. That's fair, and I'm being much more polite to you than your behavior warrants. Now please, answer the question, since you have no excuses to not do so.
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                                                                                                      • Author by jamesB (January 27, 2012 2:47 pm ET)
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                                                                                                        my demand for you to reprint or refresh my memory on an answer you said you already gave me is unreasonable? good god.
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                                                                                                        • Author by Brabantio (January 27, 2012 2:50 pm ET)
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                                                                                                          Yes, for reasons stated. I don't see your argument as to why those reasons are invalid.
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                                                                                                          • Author by highlyunlikely (January 27, 2012 2:53 pm ET)
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                                                                                                            bra: if you don't know what it is, ask me to explain the "if only" game. You'll feel better if you stop playing it.
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                                                                                                          • Author by jamesB (January 27, 2012 2:54 pm ET)
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                                                                                                            then we are at an impasse. the only logical conclusion is that you never answered me at all, you lied when you said you did, since you think asking for you to repeat it is unreasonable.
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                                                                                                            • Author by Brabantio (January 27, 2012 2:57 pm ET)
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                                                                                                              The only logical conclusion relies on the premise that you don't act unreasonably? Did you really just imply that?

                                                                                                              Let's at least have it down on record that you don't think you're accountable for your comments, since you refuse to answer for what you say. And since your distraction response has no bearing on the matter, I'd appreciate it if you refrained from pretending otherwise.
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                                                                                                              • Author by highlyunlikely (January 27, 2012 3:00 pm ET)
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                                                                                                                bra, really. "If only." Learn about it.
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                                                                                                                • Author by Brabantio (January 27, 2012 3:01 pm ET)
                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                  "If only."
                                                                                                                  I'm familiar with his games, but you can explain if you like. I don't think it's going to change the corner that he's painted himself into, though.
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                                                                                                                  • Author by jamesB (January 27, 2012 3:04 pm ET)
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                                                                                                                    i'd say you painted yourself into a corner when you said this
                                                                                                                    But I already answered yours

                                                                                                                    because you lied. and that corner has you so boxed in you're now looking for advice from highlygnatlike.

                                                                                                                    can you possibly get any more desperate than that? :)
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                                                                                                                    • Author by Brabantio (January 27, 2012 3:07 pm ET)
                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                      I'm not looking for advice at all. Like I implied, it's not going to change me pressuring you to be accountable for what you say, despite your transparent distractions.
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                                                                                                                      • Author by jamesB (January 27, 2012 3:08 pm ET)
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                                                                                                                        so asking you to reprint an answer you claim you already gave me is a "transparent distraction"?

                                                                                                                        you're a paranoid mess.
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                                                                                                                        • Author by Brabantio (January 27, 2012 3:11 pm ET)
                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                          Yes, it's a very transparent distraction. You might as well have asked me about NBA standings, as relevant as it was to what you posted.

                                                                                                                          You should attempt to make an argument defending yourself before attacking others. You're engaging in Ad Hominem fallacies otherwise.
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                                                                                                                          • Author by jamesB (January 27, 2012 3:14 pm ET)
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                                                                                                                            so asking you about a politician's responsibility when it comes to full disclosure on policy they are proposing is a transparent distraction when we have been discussing politician's responsibility when it comes to full disclosure on policy they are proposing?

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                                                                                                                            • Author by Brabantio (January 27, 2012 3:17 pm ET)
                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                              I was asking you to explain what you posted. My answer, original or repeated, to the underlying subject has no bearing on what you posted. My opinion doesn't change the meaning of your words.

                                                                                                                              That should clarify, as if it was necessary.
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                                                                                                                            • Author by highlyunlikely (January 27, 2012 3:18 pm ET)
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                                                                                                                              this is splicing into shreds. I find it more satisfying to point out what he's doing than to take his point seriously.
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                                                                                                                        • Author by highlyunlikely (January 27, 2012 3:14 pm ET)
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                                                                                                                          james not only takes a sledge hammer to the wall, he coats the sledge hammer with jagged insults.
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                                                                                                                    • Author by highlyunlikely (January 27, 2012 3:15 pm ET)
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                                                                                                                      guess this isn't his lunch hour anymore.
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                                                                                                                  • Author by highlyunlikely (January 27, 2012 3:12 pm ET)
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                                                                                                                    sorry, it's your game. You're playing "if only" I can back him into a corner he'll finally cry uncle. He won't. A good-faith person would have done so months ago. james is a dirty player. That means, following the metaphor, that when there's no escape hatch james just bangs through the wall.
                                                                                                                    If logic were required, you'd have nailed him with your first reply. If honesty were required, he'd have conceded your points. If truth meant anything to him he'd stop denying it. The point he's here to rabble-rouse. The debates are merely the vehicle through which to transfer his bad mood to you. You're arguing with someone whose raison d'etre is to blow off the steam he collects with his lousy job. Agreeing with you about anything wouldn't accomplish that.

                                                                                                                    Why do you think he's never here when not at work? Is that the sign of someone actually engaged in the subject matter or merely interested in wasting time because he can't stand what he does for his living?
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                                                                                                                    • Author by Brabantio (January 27, 2012 3:15 pm ET)
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                                                                                                                      No, I'm sure he won't admit anything. I'm pretty sure I've been dealing with him longer than almost anyone else here.
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                                                                                                                      • Author by highlyunlikely (January 27, 2012 3:16 pm ET)
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                                                                                                                        so by all means carry on. As long as you don't expect him to come clean you won't be disappointed that you fail to manage it. Just remember it's not you skills that are lacking, it's his cheating.
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                                                                                                              • Author by jamesB (January 27, 2012 3:01 pm ET)
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                                                                                                                no, you lied. you never answered me at all. if you did, you'd repeat or reprint it. you won't. we both know why.
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                                                                                                                • Author by Brabantio (January 27, 2012 3:05 pm ET)
                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                  No, I made it perfectly clear why I won't answer the question. If you answer my question, then you would give me the opportunity to prove that I'm not lying.

                                                                                                                  That would be the fair thing to do, obviously. Do you want to explain to me why your questions are obligatory and mine aren't? Are you privileged or something? If you have a rationale for your behavior, I'd love to hear it.
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                                                                                                                  • Author by jamesB (January 27, 2012 3:07 pm ET)
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                                                                                                                    first this;
                                                                                                                    But I already answered yours

                                                                                                                    then this:
                                                                                                                    No, I made it perfectly clear why I won't answer the question


                                                                                                                    ??
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                                                                                                                    • Author by Brabantio (January 27, 2012 3:09 pm ET)
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                                                                                                                      Because I've already answered it, and you haven't answered my question.
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                                                                                                                      • Author by highlyunlikely (January 27, 2012 3:13 pm ET)
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                                                                                                                        see, bra? No matter how tightly you corner him, he'll only knock his way out.
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                                                                                                                      • Author by jamesB (January 27, 2012 3:17 pm ET)
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                                                                                                                        but you said above you won't answer it, and now again you say you already answered it? and you wonder why i think you're a liar.
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                                                                                                                        • Author by highlyunlikely (January 27, 2012 3:19 pm ET)
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                                                                                                                          it's your choice, bra. Don't say I didn't try.
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                                                                                                                        • Author by Brabantio (January 27, 2012 3:24 pm ET)
                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                          Surely you can read for context:
                                                                                                                          no, you lied. you never answered me at all.
                                                                                                                          Followed by:
                                                                                                                          No, I made it perfectly clear why I won't answer the question. If you answer my question, then you would give me the opportunity to prove that I'm not lying.
                                                                                                                          "to prove that I'm not lying" would obviously apply to "you never answered me at all." Ergo, I answered the question once. The context is undeniable, and anyone with a middle-school reading capability should recognize that.

                                                                                                                          Again, can you explain what makes you so special that others have to answer your questions but you don't have to answer theirs? It seems a little egotistical at best. Alternately, or additionally, you could just answer the question at long last.
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                                                                                                                          • Author by jamesB (January 27, 2012 3:31 pm ET)
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                                                                                                                            you refuse to back your claim that you answered it already by simply repeating it. can you imagine if you were asking me for this? you'd rightly have no choice but to say i was lying. so unless you're prepared to repeat what you already said, stop wasting my time.
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                                                                                                                            • Author by Brabantio (January 27, 2012 3:38 pm ET)
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                                                                                                                              I'll tell you what, if you can make a compelling argument for how your request was reasonable, and explicitly promise to answer the question in order to be accountable for what you said, then I'll comply. But I will not give in to unreasonable demands because you don't want to answer a question about what you posted. I feel it's fair to assert myself in this manner, especially since you have yet to make any rational attempt at demonstrating otherwise.
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                                                                                                                              • Author by highlyunlikely (January 27, 2012 3:50 pm ET)
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                                                                                                                                he can't, bra. And he knows he doesn't have to to keep it going.
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                                                                                                                              • Author by jamesB (January 27, 2012 4:07 pm ET)
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                                                                                                                                if you can still maintain, with a straight face, that for me to ask you to reprint or repeat an answer you claim you've already given me is an unreasonable request, there is nothing to keep further to do.
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                                                                                                                                • Author by Brabantio (January 27, 2012 4:10 pm ET)
                                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                  I maintain it wholeheartedly, because you have not provided one word of an argument to explain yourself.

                                                                                                                                  You're not special. The same rules you apply to others apply to you as well.
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                                                                                                                                  • Author by jamesB (January 27, 2012 4:17 pm ET)
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                                                                                                                                    then the only conclusion is that you lied. you have left no other choice. sorry.
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                                                                                                                                    • Author by Brabantio (January 27, 2012 4:20 pm ET)
                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                      You have plenty of options available. You could answer the question, you could explain how your request was reasonable, you could explain how the question is invalid, etc. If reason isn't an option, why are you on a discussion board?
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                                                                                                                                      • Author by jamesB (January 27, 2012 4:22 pm ET)
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                                                                                                                                        you are either a shameless liar, or a delusional nut. i have no idea which it is. if we were having this discussion in a crowded bar and i didn't hear your answer, and asked you to repeat it, you would claim i was being unreasonable. that is your position here. stunning.
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                                                                                                                                        • Author by Brabantio (January 27, 2012 4:24 pm ET)
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                                                                                                                                          Do you imagine that we're in a crowded bar? You can view and review what's posted all day long, if you like. Your comparison's idiocy smacks of desperation.
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                                                                                                                                          • Author by highlyunlikely (January 27, 2012 4:26 pm ET)
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                                                                                                                                            all right, then. I'm off to do what I'm supposed to be doing. (At least it doesn't involve being paid for what I'm not doing.) See you toward the end of james' shift. Don't say I didn't warn you about engaging with a dirty player.
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                                                                                                                                          • Author by jamesB (January 27, 2012 4:27 pm ET)
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                                                                                                                                            not hardly, your refusal to repeat an answer you claim you've already given means only thing.

                                                                                                                                            you lied. own it and stop looking like an idiot.
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                                                                                                                                            • Author by highlyunlikely (January 27, 2012 4:29 pm ET)
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                                                                                                                                              end of the work week can't come too soon.
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                                                                                                                                            • Author by Brabantio (January 27, 2012 4:31 pm ET)
                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                              Baseless assertion. You never did address how that conclusion relies on the premise that you don't act unreasonably.

                                                                                                                                              I'm simply refusing to give in to your unreasonable demands. There's nothing wrong with that, no matter how many times you foolishly accuse me of dishonesty.
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                                                                                                                                              • Author by jamesB (January 27, 2012 4:39 pm ET)
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                                                                                                                                                oh stop, this is now deteriorating into complete nonsense. you have been simply asked to repeat an answer you say you've already given, and call that an unreasonable demand. if you don't think you look ridiculous, well you do. come on Brabantio, you are better than this. there are plenty of useless posters around here - highlygnatlike at the top, but normally you don't cling to something as silly as being asked to just repeat yourself. apparently you think i am then going to pounce on you with some gotcha crap or something, why else dig your heels in this way? it makes no sense otherwise. i have no urge to gotcha on anything, i was only asking for you to repeat yourself, and you refuse. there is nothing more to discuss. have a good night.
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                                                                                                                                                • Author by highlyunlikely (January 27, 2012 4:42 pm ET)
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                                                                                                                                                  bra, you know how Beetle Bailey looks when Searge gets done with him? Contorted into a position no human being is supposed to assume?

                                                                                                                                                  Try picturing james' comments like that. What do you do with such a mess? Do you really try to untangle it?

                                                                                                                                                  Impasse: it's where you are.
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                                                                                                                                                • Author by Brabantio (January 27, 2012 4:48 pm ET)
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                                                                                                                                                  And you were simply asked to explain what you posted. It works both ways, doesn't it now? Notice also that when you wanted an explanation for the out-of-context "I won't answer your question" line, I provided it. That's the same type of thing I've been asking from you this entire time. I'm accountable for what I say, and so it wasn't an issue for me.

                                                                                                                                                  All I'm doing is asking you to display some sort of rationality. Make an argument for something. What you've been doing is just stomping your feet because I'm not doing what you want, without giving me the slightest reason to do so. It's a distraction, because your remarks made no sense, and it seems like you said something inconsistent with what you said yesterday. I'm not giving in to unreasonable demands for that or whatever your reason may be. Period. That doesn't require even the smallest percentage of the explanation I've provided already.
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                                                                                                                                                • Author by highlyunlikely (January 27, 2012 4:56 pm ET)
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                                                                                                                                                  in which james fakes an early departure. Either that or the meeting was called off.
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                                                                                                                                  • Author by highlyunlikely (January 27, 2012 4:23 pm ET)
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                                                                                                                                    bra, come on. You still don't get it? What rules? If you're james, there's only one rule: not to get caught stealing time by the boss.
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                                                                                                                                    • Author by jamesB (January 27, 2012 4:25 pm ET)
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                                                                                                                                      Brabantio, and this is what you're in bed with. you should be real proud.
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                                                                                                                                      • Author by Brabantio (January 27, 2012 4:29 pm ET)
                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                        I haven't validated anything he's said. However, your refusal to engage in any sort of reasonable discussion here doesn't exactly undermine his theory. That's something you might want to consider.
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                                                                                                                                        • Author by jamesB (January 27, 2012 4:44 pm ET)
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                                                                                                                                          wow, no contradiction there. you say you haven't validated anything he's said, and then you say he's right.

                                                                                                                                          enjoy the sheets. :)
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                                                                                                                                          • Author by Brabantio (January 27, 2012 4:50 pm ET)
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                                                                                                                                            It's not contradictory to point out that your behavior validates his theory.
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                                                                                                                                            • Author by jamesB (January 27, 2012 5:38 pm ET)
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                                                                                                                                              his theories involve surmising details of my personal life that he/she has no clue about, based on my posts - read some of the hysterically wacked out stuff he's written. if you want to hitch your wagon to a nut like that, be my guest. :)
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                                                                                                                                              • Author by highlyunlikely (January 27, 2012 5:48 pm ET)
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                                                                                                                                                james steals a few minutes after the conference. In an hour he'll be breathing freely.
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                                                                                                                                                • Author by jamesB (January 27, 2012 5:54 pm ET)
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                                                                                                                                                  visual aide.
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                                                                                                                                                  • Author by highlyunlikely (January 27, 2012 7:03 pm ET)
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                                                                                                                                                    james got to leave early tonight. After the meeting the boss told him and the other peons they could clean their desks and go home.
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                                                                                                                                              • Author by highlyunlikely (January 27, 2012 5:52 pm ET)
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                                                                                                                                                and Pilot was really a pilot.
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                                                                                                                                              • Author by Brabantio (January 27, 2012 8:35 pm ET)
                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                And I'm not saying anything he's said is actually true. But when you demonstrate a motive other than rational discourse, you open the door for alternative theories. You know full well I've defended you in the past, but if you don't give me any reason to think you're being misrepresented, you can't very well expect me to take your side in the matter.
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                                                                                                                                          • Author by highlyunlikely (January 27, 2012 4:57 pm ET)
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                                                                                                                                            oh gawd, still 2 hours to go?
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                                                                                                                                • Author by highlyunlikely (January 27, 2012 4:12 pm ET)
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                                                                                                                                  Just caught a glimpse of last night's GOP debate - would never watch it on my own - in which Blitzer nails Gingrich with the observation: why did you make a charge against Romney on whateverprogramitwas but you won't do so here? Newt's answer: because that was a TV show. We're not here to discuss that.

                                                                                                                                  That's funny. Accusations regarding less-than-crucial matters are constantly flung during debates. But Gingrich, who never gives, went with a defense more flimsy than had he simply copped to his sneaky behavior. And he'd certainly have come off as less a buffoon had he admitted he'd been had.

                                                                                                                                  As for Blitzer (not normally the smartest guy in the room) rather than question Gingrich's pathetic excuse, just let it sit there, unchallenged. Why would he have taken it further? Why would he have lent it credibility?


                                                                                                                                  james is our would-be Gingrich. james' heroes are Atwater and Rove. Understand that, and you may find yourself reevaluating how to respond to him. Let his astonishing dishonesty speak for itself.

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                                                                                                                            • Author by Brabantio (January 27, 2012 3:40 pm ET)
                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                              Also, the suggestion that I would ever engage in your behavior, to ask an irrelevant question to avoid answering one regarding my own words, is contemptible. Don't pretend that you're behaving honorably here.
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                                                                                                                              • Author by jamesB (January 27, 2012 4:20 pm ET)
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                                                                                                                                the pedestal you've constructed for yourself is cute, but unimpressive. you lied when you said you answered my question because of your refusal to repeat your answer. if you think that's honorable, enjoy your pedestal. it's on sand.
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                                                                                                                                • Author by highlyunlikely (January 27, 2012 4:25 pm ET)
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                                                                                                                                  see, bra? Pedestal? Distortion much?
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                                                                                                                                • Author by Brabantio (January 27, 2012 4:26 pm ET)
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                                                                                                                                  There's one way, and one way alone, to prove I'm lying. You have to answer the question, then evaluate the repeated answer. Everything else is an unfair assumption.
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                                                                                                        • Author by highlyunlikely (January 27, 2012 2:50 pm ET)
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                                                                                                          does he still take lunch at 3p E? If I remember correctly, that's when it is. At any rate, this comment reeks with a growly stomach.
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                                                                                              • Author by highlyunlikely (January 27, 2012 2:31 pm ET)
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                                                                                                oh come on, bra. He can argue anything his id squirts out. It's never been about logic much less honesty.

                                                                                                Funny thing is if james were to "give," so to speak, to confess that this place is no more and no less than an outlet for the tension he accumulates from his stinky job, we liberals would rush to comfort and console us. The problem is that james, who, for all of his self-contradictory nonsense, really is a con. And you know what that means: lacking the capacity for compassion, it would never occur to him to seek it.

                                                                                                So he'll play tough guy pest as long as there are takers and never learn that the reason he comes home more aggravated than he left is because it doesn't work.
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                                                                                                • Author by highlyunlikely (January 27, 2012 2:32 pm ET)
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                                                                                                  see what I mean, bra? Never engage on a face-value level with a dirty player.
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                                                                          • Author by n'est-ce pas (January 27, 2012 1:40 pm ET)
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                                                                            tommy almost ALWAYS moves the goalposts when he can't make his case. It's like arguing with a 10-year old.
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                                                    • Author by n'est-ce pas (January 27, 2012 12:46 pm ET)
                                                         
                                                      I LOVE it when a wingnut calls liberals stupid. You know why? Because liberals are the most educated political typology in America. Conservatives are the LEAST educated political typology. Furthermore, in study after study after study, it's proven that conservatives have lower average IQs, are confounded by complexity, gravitate toward bigotry and racism, and are motivated by fear. That's you.

                                                      By the way, the phrase "common sense" is a catch-all for, "You're dumb because you think -- or don't think -- like me." Thanks for playing, tommy.
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                                        • Author by kabniel (January 26, 2012 8:11 pm ET)
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                                          james

                                          GOD but you are stupid. All the crow you have eaten today would choke a goat but with your incredible stupidity you stubbornly PRETEND it is cake
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                                • Author by kabniel (January 26, 2012 8:10 pm ET)
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                                  james

                                  You MORON you are eating crow you are just so stupid you THINK it is cake
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                            • Author by kabniel (January 26, 2012 8:09 pm ET)
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                              james


                              GOD but you are stupid. The issue isnt whether the report eviscerated them or not THAT is subjective but the INDISPUTABLE fact that the reporter did not TREAT it as if it had. How stupid are you trying to be today?
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                        • Author by kabniel (January 26, 2012 8:07 pm ET)
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                          james

                          AGAIN you are far too stupid to know what we think or what we want. What I would want is for them to treat nonsense like this as what it is NONSENSE
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                    • Author by kabniel (January 26, 2012 8:05 pm ET)
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                      james


                      NO not lightly. NO credible economists believe this. Even Bushs own economic experts WHILE ADVOCATING TAX CUTS believed, and they admitted this, that tax cuts even pay for themselves much less increase revenue. THAT is the point. It is nonsense to pretend this is a he said she said issue. It is not. Only brainwashed Randinistas still try to sell this nonsense
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                • Author by Imbecile (January 26, 2012 4:44 pm ET)
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                  i am not sheep like you. baaaah.


                  Good job, jimmy!
                  Now, what sound does the cow make?
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                • Author by highlyunlikely (January 26, 2012 4:49 pm ET)
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                  The constant "sheep" use probably signals how he feels in his job. Nameless, faceless, but a statistic.
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            • Author by Imbecile (January 26, 2012 2:57 pm ET)
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              i have no interest in the way mmfa categorizes it.


              says jimmy, after saying this:

              i guess mmfa is now only happy when one side, their side, is presented.

              and this:
              i have no idea what mmfa expects, perhaps total non-coverage of what the gop says, but their complaint against cbs and pelley is absurd

              and this:
              this is unwarranted criticism of pelley and cbs.

              and this:
              which is exactly what the tax policy refuted, so your whine, and mmfa's is baseless.


              You spend an awful lot of time focusing on things that don't interest you, jimmy.
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            • Author by kabniel (January 26, 2012 8:03 pm ET)
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              james

              It is enough for rational adults to understand. The fact you are one of the stupidest living beings alive is not OUR problem. That you cannot understand ANYTHING is your sad fate. You will always be this stupid james it is just that simple
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    • Author by Johaely (January 26, 2012 2:28 pm ET)
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      I knew it. There was no reason to extend the tax cuts to 2012 than to make it an election "issue". It was transparent form the get go.
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    • Author by fantagor (January 26, 2012 3:49 pm ET)
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      The evidence is in.

      Reagan cut taxes in the '80s and the debt soared.

      Bush 43 cut taxes in the 2000s and the debt soared.

      Tax cuts don't spur growth, they spur debt financing. Case closed.

      Randy
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      • Author by Imbecile (January 26, 2012 4:23 pm ET)
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        You'd think it would be this simple. But then, you come face-to-face with the proudly obstinate idiocrati who insist that what is demonstrably quantitative is "like, just your opinion, man."
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        • Author by highlyunlikely (January 26, 2012 4:25 pm ET)
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          I love the way james cries "too complicated" about tax law - refusing to "understand" it's necessary in order that they be fair - while complicating every other issue in sight in order to make his contrary arguments.
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          • Author by Imbecile (January 26, 2012 4:42 pm ET)
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            However, I'm likely to believe that jimmy complicates the issues because, in his quest to make sense of them, he turns them into gobbledygook. He then tries to recite that back to us.

            Now, he thinks he's made sense of it, and our inability to untangle his nonsense only feeds his frustration, which impels him to start to devolve in his interactions with us.

            But, since he doesn't want to admit that he doesn't grasp these concepts, he digs in, doubles down, and becomes even more stubborn in his defenses.

            This is why, as you so comically put it, he breathes a sigh of relief when the phone rings or when it's quitting time. It's his only respite from the doubts that swirl throughout his head most of the day.
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            • Author by highlyunlikely (January 26, 2012 4:47 pm ET)
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              You got his number. His whole schtick is complicating matters beyond all recognition, hoping that will confuse us, anger us, and thus alleviate all the crabbiness produced by his job. When it doesn't work - when he leaves MORE aggravated than he would have been by not bothering - he thinks it's because he didn't do it well enough, not that his method is faulty.

              It's a classic vicious circle, and those who refuse to learn from it are doomed to repeat it until they collapse - or, in his case, get a better job.
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              • Author by Deluded (January 27, 2012 12:27 am ET)
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                James ins't here for any sort of decision whatsoever.

                Someone who refuses to prop up and defend his OWN positions/definitions by clarifying them (or arguing for them) and simply saying "if that's what you want it to be then so be it". Isn't here for ANY sort of discussion regardless of what else that person posts.

                Someone who is would try to define their position, clarify it and argue for it. This forms a direction and flow in discussion, opponents would know what to object to and why (or if it's even relevant) and proponents would know what points to reinforce and defend.

                NOT clarifying things (something he is infamous for) is almost certainly a recipe for muddling up everything, and I'd be damned if he doesn't know that.

                It's all deliberate.
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                • Author by highlyunlikely (January 27, 2012 1:54 am ET)
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                  I think the fact that he never posts on his own time pretty much says it all.
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    • Author by angels4light (January 26, 2012 10:03 pm ET)
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      Hmmmmmm, lessee here. We have had a number of cuts in the last 11 years. Before the cuts, revenue was about the same as expenditures. After the cuts, revenue was less than expenditures. Revenue never increased as a result of the taxes. History, recent history, has shown that the idea that cutting taxes will increase revenue is just not valid.
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