Karl Rove, please define “winning the health-care debate”

As in the headline to his Thursday WSJ column:

The GOP Is Winning the Health-Care Debate

Here's the latest from NYT/CBS News poll [emphasis added]:

Regardless of how you usually vote, who do you think has better ideas about reforming the health care system: Barack Obama, or the Republicans in Congress?

Barack Obama Republicans in Congress

9/19-23/09 52% 27%

And oh yeah, theres' this, from the latest Quinnipiac poll:

  • Voters disapprove 64% to 25% of the way Republicans in Congress are doing their job, with even 42% of Republican voters disapproving
  • Only 29% think Republicans on Capitol Hill are acting in good faith
  • Voters trust Obama more than Republicans 47% to 31% to handle health care
  • By a 53% to 25% margin, voters have an unfavorable opinion of the Republican Party

Just imagine what those numbers would look like if the GOP were losing the health care debate.