CHARLES PAYNE (GUEST): So, I think the idea here is that you take one step forward -- you think you are -- but you're actually taking one step back. These are punitive measures, Bret. These are not economic measures. And I think the audience really needs to understand that. Even when the President is selling it, it's like. "Well, these -- some, a few companies -- are getting over on the system. They're not paying their fair share." That has nothing to do with economics and everything to do with the emotions, pulling on the heart strings, making people angry, pointing fingers.