CHARLIE KIRK (HOST): Now, just to steelman of Vivek's argument — for the record, I'm very much against H-1Bs, and I think this tweet could have been worded differently. But don't we see some truth in what Vivek was saying? And I'll start with with Blake, that there has been this slow motion decline into mediocrity, that there has been this acceptance that we're no longer gonna pursue excellence, that we're no longer gonna be the best at things anymore. Is there — would you agree there's some truth in that in the larger theme of what Vivek was trying to touch on here?
BLAKE NEFF (CO-HOST): Absolutely. I definitely think it's a big problem. And as conservatives, we've noted this over and over. Like, they're — you know, a lot of liberalism is trying to convince people to accept failure and mediocrity. Oh, our cities are just supposed to not be well-run.
But what I will note is a lot of that is downstream of the same ideology that gives us massive amounts of immigration, which is, you know, the DEI agenda. It's like the HR-ification of America. Like, why are we so — you know, why are we so OK with so much mediocrity? Well, one thing is we have grade inflation. Well, where's grade inflation coming from? So much of that is we're not able to handle the fact that different people have different amounts of talent and this manifests in terms of people getting different grades, different test scores, and ultimately working in different jobs. And where are we seeing this? Who's been most affected by this? Well, we know from the Harvard admissions lawsuit that went to the Supreme Court that probably the people who get discriminated against the most, we have a lot of East Asians, and we just have ordinary, like, nerdy white guys from Iowa or wherever who are — who like engineering. Those people get massively discriminated against by colleges, by employers, by government for that matter.
And so the DEI agenda, the same thing that says we have to have tons of immigration and we have to think, you know, that basically is going to vilify the historical population of America — that's the same ideology that's saying we need race based school admissions. We need race based hiring. We need to get rid of standardized tests because we don't like what standardized tests tell us. And I think the obvious downstream effect of that is you're getting jaded people who aren't caring as much about, you know, success. They aren't getting the message that if I work hard, I will be rewarded because instead they're being told, if I work hard, I will still just be vilified for who I am, and preferences are going to be given to other people who work less hard, who have less ability because they're a politically favored group. And you can't just suddenly throw out that that happens and say, oh, well, no, we broke America's culture, and the only way to fix it is we used to have a bunch of H-1Bs for, you know, my cousins from Bangalore.