BILL CARTER: Well, it seems like these two are alike. I don't know, they break up, get back together. It's like Archie and Veronica, you know? But I think they need each other. I think that's what we keep seeing, that Ailes decides, 'Oh, I can't take his criticism of Megyn Kelly, I have to stand up for my person. And then Trump can go elsewhere, he can be on CNN, he can be on NBC, he can go anywhere he wants. And I think Ailes sees the numbers go up every time he appears somewhere. He was on with Stephen Colbert, what happened? Numbers went way up. He needs him, but I think Trump needs to speak to that audience. He needs that -- that's his base.
MICHAELA PEREIRA: It is mutually beneficial for both of them, but it's got to be frustrating in one aspect for Roger Ailes because of that codependency almost.
BRIAN STELTER: Absolutely frustrating. Especially when Trump is attacking his stars. He has been grooming Megyn Kelly. He views Megyn Kelly as one of the biggest future faces of the network, probably the most important face of the network in the future. And yet Trump keeps going after Kelly, criticizing Kelly on Twitter again this week. In fact, last night even tweeting at Kelly trying to promote his poll rankings. That is something that Ailes can't stand, and that's why we're seeing this meeting next week. But it is an unprecedented situation. We don't hear about the heads of NBC, or ABC or CBS meeting with Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders.
