CHRIS CUOMO (HOST): Do you believe that anybody tells Donald Trump what to say and how to be? Because the theory of the case here is Lewandowski kept putting these notions in Donald Trump's head to be bombastic and, you know, to be the kind of outrageous guy that he is for better and worse. Do you buy that? 

JEFFREY LORD: No, I really do think that Donald Trump is his own best adviser here. Sometimes pro, sometimes to the negative, I suppose. I think that's true of every candidate out there. One of the things that I've observed about him, he is a very good listener. He really does pay attention and he's also very competitive. He wants to win. You know, we make light of this and people caricature this, you know, we're going to have so much winning and this kind of thing, but it really is a reality with him. And so, I'm not at all surprised at this move in the sense that if he feels that there's something that's not right for him, he will change it on the spot because he does want to win. 

CUOMO: All right, so Lewandowski is out, for better or worse. Paul Manafort, a man that Jeffrey Lord and I both know very well is clearly at the reins. A seasoned pro. Yet on the show, his inaugural interview he did when he came on to the TV, he said, nobody tells Trump what to do. He is who he is. He has to do things differently, as the supposition that's coming out of supporters like you, out of the polling. How do you get Donald Trump to be different? And if you could, if he called you up and said, “McEnany, you've got the reins, what do you want me to do?” What would he do differently?

KAYLEIGH MCENANY: I think he has changed a lot. Look, we've come a long way from the days when he was retweeting. And that's something that I think was so good about his candidacy -- 

CUOMO: Also known as yesterday, yesterday, Kayleigh. But continue.

MCENANY: I'm talking about the Heidi Cruz retweet. You know, that was a bad mistake. He learned along the way, he's not a politician. And that's what people love about him. And Paul Manafort is the perfect person to do this because we need someone who understands, let Trump be Trump. Yes, that is his biggest asset is being off the cuff, being, you know, kind of this rogue person. But also be within a conventional campaign structure that can raise money, that has a ground operation, that has microtargeting. Paul Manafort can do that. 

Previously:

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Right-Wing Media Attempt To Spin Trump’s Firing Of Campaign Manager As A Positive

Jeffrey Lord And The Worst CNN Segment Of The Entire Election