JON SCOTT (CO-HOST): Does the London bombing suggest there is a need for a stricter travel ban?



RICHARD FOWLER: No, not at all, and here’s why. One, if you look at all the terrorist attacks that's happened on the United States soil since 9/11, or you take 9/11 and the ones after it, right? What you find is that the the travel ban wouldn't have stopped any of those individuals from engaging in those crimes. All of the 9/11 attackers would have been allowed in under Trump's current travel ban, and Omar Mateen was a United States citizen. He was responsible for the Pulse nightclub attack. So, once again, how we solve terrorism is not by shredding our Constitution. It's not by rolling back civil liberties. It's not by attacking a group or a religion. It's by continuing to live our lives as Americans. It's by continuing to go out and going to Disney World. It's by taking our families out. It's by embracing diversity. It’s by embracing inclusion. When you put in place travel bans, when you put in place racist policies, when you put in place discriminatory policies,  all you do is allow groups like ISIS, and ISIL, and Al-Qaeda to win, and we can’t allow them to win by changing who we are as Americans. Point blank period. 



SCOTT: Chris, take that on. He says none of the past terror attacks would have been stopped by a travel ban. 



CHRIS WILSON: Well, I don't know where to start with all that. I guess we can just stop terrorism if we all get together and sing kumbaya once a week as we wear Birkenstocks out in public. 



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Right now, whether you agree with it or disagree with it, at least what Donald Trump and the administration is doing is going further to try to find a solution, a solution that would have worked in France, a solution that would have worked in London. And the fact is, at some point, and at what point do we get to before we allow that to get to come here to the United States.



FOWLER:  Well, a couple of question: would it have solved the Pulse nightclub shooting, the travel ban?



WILSON: No.



FOWLER: Would it have stopped 9/11?



WILSON: No. But it would have solved London, and are those lives worth any less to you?



FOWLER: We don't live in London, do we? We live in the United States of America --



WILSON: Thank you for that.



FOWLER: And neither of those terrorist attacks would have been solved by the travel ban. You cannot know --



WILSON: And absolutely nothing you suggested would solve them either, and now that you have the courts that have come forward and said this is allowed, there’s nothing that violates the Constitution, I think it is a commonsense approach. And until you can implement screening -- that's the one thing that has to happen here -- it's what they're saying that is until you can implement screening in the source country -- that -- which, it should be the responsibility of that country, then we have to take actions here. 



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SCOTT: Richard, worth pointing out that the list of countries did not originate with the Trump administration. They were flagged under the administration of President Obama --

 

FOWLER: Oh, I agree.



SCOTT: As being countries where you cannot fully vet people who are coming in.



FOWLER: I completely agree. I have no problem with screening. And I think if you look to the Obama administration, you look at their screening process towards refugees, the refugee screening process is a two and a half year process of screening. Multiple levels, multiple layers, multiple interviews before you’re allowed to come to the United States. And 99.9 percent of those refugees that were allowed in under the Obama administration, none of them have committed acts of terror here, none of them have engaged in this type of act of terror that we saw take place in London or in Paris or in Germany. So let’s be very clear here, our screening process are working because we’re not seeing the levels of attacks that’s happening in Europe happening here in the United States. But let me go further to say if we want to engage moderate Muslims, which most scholars have called for, if we want to solve ISIS and ISIL, we have to engage moderate Muslims and have them say hey listen, ISIS and ISIL doesn’t represent the larger Muslim community. We cannot put forward discriminatory practices by banning entire countries from coming into the United States.

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