CHARLES PAYNE (GUEST): It's not that they -- they understand what's going on. They believe the mission is greater than all of this. And, you know, we always have these discussions under the veneer of economics. I mean, they don't really care about any of that, right? They want to appease the climate Gods. It's like some primitive civilization that would, you know, kill 20 people a day to appease the volcano Gods. They simply do not care.