KATIE PAVLICH (CO-HOST): The other thing I want to bring up here is the Ukraine-NATO situation. So for years, NATO -- Ukraine has asked to be in NATO. They've said, we want to pay our fair share, we want to be part of the alliance, we want to have this Article 5 situation against Russia, just in case they decide to invade like they are right now.
Instead of -- you know, Ukraine was always told, well, you guys have to fix your corruption issues first. Joe Biden told them, you have to fix your corruption issues first. And then, instead of actually helping them fix the corruption issue, the Bidens and other politicians in Europe and the United States participated in it. They got rich off of it.
And now Ukraine, civilians there are going to die as a result of this chaotic situation where they were taking advantage of the lawlessness, the corruption in Ukraine, not fixing it, because if it's a NATO country, you can't go in and take advantage of the corruption, right? Because there are certain rules about it. So they let Ukraine hang out there so they could all get rich and now they're screwed, they're surrounded.
DANA PERINO (CO-HOST): Really interesting point.
PAVLICH: And so, I think people need to remember that. You know, they've been asking to be a part of the alliance, they've been told nope, while people like President Biden have gotten rich off of it. Hunter Biden got rich off of it. And now they're in a position where they're in a really --
PETE HEGSETH (CO-HOST): And countries like Germany have said they may object. Why might that be? Germany is getting its energy from somewhere else.
PAVLICH: Exactly, right.