KATIE PAVLICH (CO-HOST): I think this is a bunch of city kids who need to get out more, for two reasons.
When you're out in the wilderness, you realize that you're humbled and that, you know, there's -- you can be an environmentalist, you can be a conservationist, but you really can't control the environment and you'll find things like fossils at the top of the Grand Canyon and realize that Arizona used to be under an ocean and realize that climate change is actually pretty normal for the Earth.