MATT WALSH (HOST): In almost every case, when we hear about so-called conversion therapy, it is a case where somebody with a same-sex attraction goes to a therapist or to a counselor to help them overcome that attraction. Like, they're looking for counseling, for therapy to help them overcome this attraction that is troubling them and that they don't want. They don't, you know, they don't want to have the same-sex attraction, but they do, and they're looking for help. And why shouldn't people have the right to seek that kind of help if they want it? To use language that the left is familiar with, if somebody desires to be straight, Then why shouldn't we affirm that desire? Why shouldn't they receive affirmative care in that context? I mean, that's their lived experience, right? That's their truth. Their truth is that they wanna be straight. Who are you -- who the hell are you to tell someone else what they can or should want? Who are you to come in between a patient and his medical provider? You know, this therapist who's suing in Washington state -- and he has clients -- who are you to -- how can Washington state come in between the client and the therapist?
Now, the argument from the other side -- well, there is no argument, really. I mean, these people are just shameless, soulless, hypocritical con artists who will say whatever they need to say in any given situation. So, you can't really use their own arguments against them as I've just done because their arguments are not real arguments. Nothing they say means anything. But to the extent that we can use a word like argument, the argument from the other side is that sexual orientation is immutable and unchangeable. We already talked about this yesterday.
And, first of all, there was never any reason to believe that, OK? This idea that, you know, born gay or whatever -- we know that a person's sexual preferences and tastes can absolutely be affected by all manner of things - trauma, abuse, exposure to pornography from a young age. Many things can impact a person's sexual preferences. I mean, this is not really disputed by any serious person. There is no gay gene no matter how hard they look for one. And the idea that people are born gay has always been incoherent because, you know, if people are born gay - like, born gay. You're gay from birth. Right? That's what that would mean. And then that means that there are what? Homosexual infants out there? Again, no sane person thinks that. So there's no reason why a person can't seek and receive successful counseling to overcome same-sex attraction.
But, as we talked about yesterday, the real point is that by the left's own logic, sexual orientation cannot be ingrained. It cannot be immutable. You know, if sex can change, then, obviously, sexual orientation can change. Because how your sexual orientation is defined depends entirely on what your sex is.