From the April 26, 2021, edition of Fox News' The Ingraham Angle

LAURA INGRAHAM (HOST): Dr. Wittkowski, when we saw the mandates being dropped in states like Texas, obviously in Florida as well, or you had big Super Bowl parties — again, as an epidemiologist, we didn't see the spread that was predicted. There was fearmongering on the super-spreader events. Never saw it, nothing.

DR. KNUT WITTKOWSKI: There was -- there was no evidence for spread caused by people not wearing masks.

INGRAHAM: So, but — there is never any follow-up by the — again, these are the trusted experts who have been branded in the public's eye as the be-all and end-all authority on this. And you two are two of the most prominent epidemiologists, that certainly that I know of in the whole country. So why are we not applying basic immunology and science to what see in the statistics, Dr. Risch?

HARVEY RISCH (YALE SHOOL OF PUBLIC HEALTH): Well, as I've said many times, you have to follow the motivations. If the motivations are to sell vaccines, then you make policies that maintain fear and motivation for people to demand the vaccines, even if they are not necessary for everyone, even if they are counterproductive for some.

INGRAHAM: Even if there's early intervention medicines that people can take as well, like ivermectin and others.

RISCH: Correct.