ARI MELBER (HOST): And that blunt fixation on selling a message or lying about it, his reelection, was that different and distinct from other presidents you dealt with?
ANTHONY FAUCI (GUEST): Yeah, I mean of course, it was so obvious there was a great deal of difference. Again, I believe he wanted so badly for this to go away the way influenza goes away, and when he saw it was not going away, then he was hoping for some magical solution and that's -- he even used those words, "it's going to go away like magic." And then when that didn't work, then we had to have these miracle cures like hydroxychloroquine, which he got from Laura Ingraham on Fox News and then after that he would bring in somebody like Scott Atlas who would tell him what he wanted to hear. It was tough.