KRISTAN HAWKINS (HOST): That's interesting that you say that because so often, we even hear from pro-life advocates, especially now in this kind of post-Roe era, I've heard, well, we need to step completely out of the law. Politics is dirty. There's never a truly 100% pro-life candidate, which I would agree with that statement.
So, therefore, we should just focus on culture. We should make abortion unthinkable, but I'm over here going, well, it should also be unavailable too. Like, it has to be both things because the law saved your life.