MEGYN KELLY: So, putting aside the controversy about, you know, whether he should have commented or not commented, I think a lot of people are wondering, sadly, in 2015 America, what they should do. And his point now is just have a plan, that's what I'm saying. Have a plan. You actually agree with that.
JONATHAN GILLIAM: I totally agree with it. And in fact, you know, when he said rush, I don't see anything insensitive about that whatsoever. He is giving what he thought is a play-by-play of what he thought would have been effective. And that action, in that moment, that may have been the only action they have -- to rush somebody or end up begging for your life. There's often, in these situations, these active shooter situations last between 60 seconds and five minutes. And it's over before law enforcement gets [there].
KELLY: And you're terrified. Your heart rate is pumping. So what, how do you have any presence of mind to do anything other than cower?
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KELLY: It's such a dark subject, and you hate to have to think that you might have to be prepared, but what can it hurt to at least spend a few minutes thinking, 'if this were to happen, God forbid, I need to know my options. I need to think about these considerations.'
GILLIAM: It's the reality of where we live now. You have to think -- you think about that when you look your door at night.
KELLY: We do disaster prep for storms and so on.
GILLIAM: It's the same thing.
