From the December 9 edition of CNN's New Day:
Watch 3 Of CNN's Top International Correspondents Explain How Donald Trump's Anti-Muslim Policies Help ISIS And Hurt US Reputation
Clarissa Ward: “The One Group That Really Seemed To Embrace Donald Trump's Comments Are ISIS”
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ALISYN CAMEROTA (HOST): The fallout from Donald Trump's proposed ban on Muslims is not stopping at the border. Criticism coming from officials around the world. So let's get some perspective from three of our favorite CNN international correspondents.
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CAMEROTA: You're everywhere. You're global. You've been reporting from everywhere since you got to CNN a couple of months ago. What are you hearing? Are you hearing things about this presidential race and Donald Trump on the ground?
CLARISSA WARD: We're hearing a lot, I think, about Donald Trump. And particularly about these comments which we've seen, you know, they've been dismissed, I think, as arrogant and ignorant and absurd even by most Europeans and Middle Eastern people who I have spoken to about them. But what I found really interesting when I was kind of doing a cross-section and chatting to different people from different backgrounds and different walks of life in different countries was the one group that really seemed to embrace Donald Trump's comments are ISIS. And I spoke to an ISIS fighter who said to me, you know, quite simply, “Clarissa, he is just saying the truth that Americans hate Muslims, and it's time for Muslims living in the west to accept that.” He went on to say that the coconuts need to understand that they're not welcome in the West. By the coconuts he's using essentially a popular offensive term that ISIS followers use for western Muslims, essentially the idea being that they're brown on the outside but they're white on the inside. And this really speaks to the ISIS narrative, that it is not possible for Muslims and Westerners to co-exist peacefully, that Muslims living in West need to make hejda or migrate to the caliphate and that's the only place that they'll be accepted.
CAMEROTA: I mean this is incredible. This is exactly what people feared would happen, that ISIS would use it. But you, because you have your ear to the ground always, have the direct communication about this. Nick, you're based in the Middle East. What's the feeling there?
NICK PATON WALSH: I think, frankly, the Middle East is looking for American leadership, those who care to listen to what the U.S. said. And remember we had a keynote speech from Barack Obama on Sunday evening. Who's talking about that now? That's absolutely vanished. The only thing being discussed now is this quite remarkably offensive notion. And I think those in the Middle East who look to the United States as a symbol of some kind of better ideology will be deeply offended by this. I think they may understand this as a radical part of the wing, frankly, similar to the same radical ideology that ISIS is to the Muslim faith. It's just not necessarily going to assist anybody on a moderate faith who thinks they can look to the U.S. for any leadership in the next month or so.
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NIC ROBERTSON: What you're hearing from the British establishment, and undertones of it as well from other European countries, is a concern that a prime ally, the United States, is perhaps not sharing the same values towards all cultures and faiths. And that would be a worry in the United States. I would imagine, because as allies we work together to combat ISIS right now. Imagine this, last week, David Cameron is having a hugely important vote in the House of Parliament. Is Britain going to join the United States in airstrikes inside Syria?
CAMEROTA: Yes.
ROBERTSON: Now imagine this speech had been a week earlier. Donald Trump's words had come a week earlier. There was a significant portion of the British parliament that was concerned about going to war in Syria. If they thought that they were getting into bed with a partner that had these, apparently on the surface anti-muslim values, that's not the United States values, but that's what Britain hears. And that's why you have the reaction from the British prime minister yesterday, from the mayor, from the senior police officer in London saying, wait a minute, that this is a concern.
CAMEROTA: Go ahead.
PATON WALSH: I think the broader issue, though, is people don't necessarily, in the Middle East or around the world, make the distinction between a person who's trying to be a candidate for a party and the broader notion of what American political society is thinking. They aren't able to necessarily say, well this man is being condemned broadly by everybody else. He's dominating the narrative, incorrect as he is and revulsive, frankly, as he is for many people. But still, that flavor permeates much of the discussion about what America is thinking right now.
Previously:
NBC Veteran Journalist Tom Brokaw Blasts Trump's “Dangerous Proposal” To Ban Muslims
Media Condemn Donald Trump's “Dangerous,” “Fascistic” Ban On Muslims Entering The US