MARTHA MACCALLUM (HOST): This is what I find so frustrating, as an American citizen, just watching. This is so ridiculous that Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer stand there and argue that $5 billion is absolutely preposterous, it will never happen, then out of the other side of their mouths, they say we care so much about border security. Then the president, essentially I think, offered sort of an olive branch. He said it doesn't matter if it's concrete, it could be steel slats. Like, let's get together and secure the border. I mean, that's what he wants to do. I think he indicated that he's open to technology, to steel slats, to other ways of doing it. Are Democrats really happy with people climbing across the wall and getting in? 60,000 people last month? I mean, that's ridiculous.
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It's political, that's the issue here. Right? and that is so sad for these people who are trying to get into this country, right? Because they are used as political pawns. Look at this from Victor Davis Hanson in a piece that he wrote, why Trump will never get the wall: “For Democrats, a successful border wall is now considered bad politics. Salad bowl multiculturalism, growing tribalism, and large numbers of unassimilated immigrants added up to a politically advantageous demography for Democrats in the long run, and they don't want to give that up.” Juan.
JUAN WILLIAMS (FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR): That is so sad, I mean, that is not what this is about. But, I think, in lots of people's minds it's oh, the Republicans are fearful that the Democrats want to add immigrants as voters. That's --or that we see a demographic shift. That's not what this is about. A judge in fact this week said, Martha, that people have a legitimate right to seek asylum, the caravan that was supposed to be an invasion, obviously not an invasion, but the key here at this moment is the president--
MACCALLUM: You don't consider throwing rocks and climbing over the wall a bit of an invasion?
WILLIAMS: Oh, please, that's been --no, it's not an invasion. It's not a military invasion.
MACCALLUM: 60,000 people a month? You're OK with that?
WILLIAMS: We actually are at a low point in terms of border crossings right now.
MACCALLUM: What difference does it make? Look at that number! 60,000 people.
WILLIAMS: Listen, I'm telling you, we have a problem, we need comprehensive immigration reform.
